Why does Tony have such bad luck in comics? Most Iron Man fans would even admit that he only has a handful of good runs in his 60 year history
>>153026297Because every run tries to copy the few that were good.
>>153026342But the new runs do even worse, that recent run that had Tony attempt to go back into weapons manufacturing got canceled in like 9 issues
>>153026297Maybe he just sucks.
>>153026730No, you suck
>>153026342This is like 75% of Marvel and DC
>>153026297Pre-MCU he had several good runs. Post-MCU changed the perception of Tony Stark and now no one knows how to write him. You either get an almost Deadpool-like slapstick jokester or a morose PTSD-ridden sad sack. Also modern comic writers aren’t smart enough to make the armor interesting, it’s just bullshit magic technology nano machine or whatever. We need the autism of the old Handbooks but good luck finding any modern writers or artists capable of that
>>153026819Remember when he had skates?
>>153026830I do remember 2022.
>>153026830He had skates to power his armor when it was running low on juice. When was the last time his armor had some sort of practical problem like that? It’s just magic now, he can whip it up in an hour and it’s perfect and can do whatever needs to be done at that moment
>>153026297He’s too powerful.Being able to hack anything and shoot lasers makes him hard to fight.Unless you have some BS villains that have anti-having magic hacking and even that gets old.
>>153026297>They took away his disability and secret identity which were VERY core parts of his character pre-MCU>His arch-nemesis went the way of hooded Cobra Commander despite multiple revisions trying to distance itself from its roots>He power crept past his rogues galleryPeople are VERY hesitant on even using his supporting cast period and use Tony more as a way to approach the wider Marvel universe at the cost of his own corner>Mark Millar
>>153027359>which were VERY core parts of his character pre-MCUYou can't blame the MCU for that, Extremis was 2 years before the movie.
>>153026297The main problem with Ironman is that he got too powerful. Anyone who could have been a reoccurring villain is either dead, or so far below his power level that's they are a joke that he doesn't take seriously.
>>153026342He got developed in the '00s and could have featured in stories that were wholly new to the character, but instead editorial pussied out and we got Stark Disassembled to stop anything new from ever happening.
>>153027359>He power crept past his rogues galleryMore like only Tony was really allowed to tech creep. In most mecha media, the hero starts out ahead of the opposition and the opposition gradually catches up or over takes the hero's technology. This force the hero's side to develop skill and technique or advance their technology in response.>>153027709Yep, he went from guy in a near future suit of power armor to tech god.
>>153027359To be fair, the secret identity was gone years before his first movie. Arguably longer if you want to count him revealing his true identity in private to friends.
>>153026297This is true for every super hero ever. Right now Spider-Man already has more bad runs than good ones.
What if we de-aged Tony and made him a teenager? To relate better to younger audiences
>>153026297That is a good question. There are very few great Iron Man stories out there and basically no great overall runs.He seems like he should be an easy enough character to work with so I can't say I get why.
>>153026297It's because Tony's character is better suited towards a novel series with a definite beginning and end. Iron Man has never been a consistently engaging character unless he's either totally heroic from the start (Animated Adventures, the 90s show, Nu-Ultimate, SHS) or is "flawed" (the MCU).It's genuinely a ballsy idea to have the protagonist start off as a corrupt shithead but it only really works for a one-and-done narrative, either a movie or a film trilogy at best. But for comics, it's ridiculous thanks to the long-form nature of the medium.>>153028555Armored Adventures was based for this. Tony's character is just King Arthur/Robin Hood in power armor, he's got the Batman thing of "rich kid who has to fight in order to get back what was stolen from him". It doesn't really "work" if he's introduced as a really shitty guy because then it gets too heavy for the sort of story you're trying to tell.
>>153026297>Why does Tony have such bad luck in comics?Because it was Arno's destiny to be Iron Man, not Tony...or something like that. Also something about Howard selling Tony's soul to Mephisto?
>>153026819It doesn't help that Tony in the MCU is a drinker, and putting him into a scenario every other issue in every where he's at a party but can't actually drink is more than a little nonsensical. Newer readers can't open up a book without being reminded of a storyline that happened nearly 50 years ago.He struggles to be the "billionaire playboy philanthropist," even if RDJ is sober.
>>153029437Being an alcoholic is something that gets regularly milked by future writers with tying it to family history, dealing with other people's drinking problems or threatening relapse, so I think the "doesn't drink at social events" aspect is secondary for referencing that.
Huh. Looking it up, the child that he assisted birth when Tony was a hobo appeared again in a Spider-Man spin-off story where he seems to be a main cast member. You'd think at least one Iron Man story would reference that again after O'Neil.
I finished ExtremisWhere do i go from here? I suppose Demon in a bottle is another one i should check up. What else?
>>153029799Extremis is a reboot. You can only go forward.
>>153026297that's because even if i pick tony over captain america, ai will never surprast true strength.
>>153029799Hypervelocity
>>153026297Because he isn’t actually that interesting character outside of the handful of times when a writer came up with an interesting short term angle. Your basic Iron Man storylines aren’t as engaging as your typical Spider-man stories are because he’s a rich dude who flies in an armour and mainly deals with people trying to fuck with his company or just have a vendetta against him personally.Iron Man needs a Green Arrow/Green Lantern, Atom/Hawkman type of deal. You pair him up with an unusual hero long term and write stories where you have to account to the new dynamic instead of making more bad guys in armour fighting the hero in armour.
I'm not that big on modern Iron Man comics, but I wonder why Batman is so much more successful even though they’re somewhat similar. Maybe it's the lack of a standout villain, or maybe writers just don't get Tony Stark and keep trying to turn him into a villain.
>>153029873Batman works because Year One, the first Tim Burton movie, and the animated series more or less sanded down Batman to his base alchemical components, complementing what the 60s show had done for the comics released up until that point. The core of Batman is King Arthur/Robin Hood but cribbing from Zorro, The Shadow (as well as the Whisperer and The Spider), Dick Tracy, Doc Savage, Dracula, The Green Hornet, Sherlock Holmes, The Phantom, the Three Musketeers, and indirectly the Count of Monte Cristo. The character is heroic, even if he's dark/edgy/violent.Iron Man isn't as successful because nobody wants to read a long-running serialized/episodic about a shithead on the path of repentance/reformation who feels more "real" than other comic book rich baddies. There's a reason that "Clownpool" and Deadpool adaptations tend to play up his comedic nature rather than dwell on how Wade is a huge scumbag.
>>153029952>Batman's base elements are actually a laundry listAccurate to organisms being complex, but I think you could cut that into a third.
>>153026297I don't like Iron Man. He was mean to Sting Ray for no good reason. Sting Ray didn't do anything to anyone and just wanted to hang out with fish.
>>153029386...Is this Tony Stark Vs. The Team Fortress 2 Engineer and his Sentry?
>>153029993Friendly fire is expected in war. Especially ARMOR WAR(s)
>>153029952>nobody wants to read a long-running serialized/episodic about a shithead on the path of repentance/reformation who feels more "real" than other comic book rich baddiesThis. Imagine if they had Tony be involved in kid diddling.
>>153026297>Most Iron Man fans would even admit that he only has a handful of good runs in his 60 year historyhe had a solid run from when he got a comic with his name on it well into the 90s, so he had a solid 20 unbroken streak with competent stories
>>153030270I think there's simply a much more widespread awareness nowadays that it's basically impossible to be a billionaire and not be morally compromised. Go back a few decades and, while the average person might not think highly of individual billionaires, people generally made fewer assumptions of how wretched billionaires are. The idea of billionaires as "captains of industry" had more traction. Tony's whole character is sanitized from any of that.
>>153026297>Why does Tony have such bad luck in comics?This is like every marvel superhero flicks since after Defalco's tenure as a chief editor.
>>153026297because he is the nortubel of marvel
>>153030446nonsense forced buzzword said by drooling fags.
>>153026297being a core member of a team like avengers means you will have a horrible life full of random misfortune. Also post 2008 they start trying to mimick robert doewney jr which is a horrible creative spiral of stupidity.
>>153030086Dale could unironically do fucked up shit to Tony
>>153030653>DaleIt's Dell
