>The Thief and the Cobbler was never really good, anyway!
With the eye-catching inflammatory OP out of the way, I think it's disappointing that so many people (including Nostalgia Chick) look at animation (or film in general) and think that because there isn't a "strong narrative" that is a mark against it as a piece of art. Disney brainrotted so many people into thinking they need some type of three act structure with musical numbers in order to enjoy an animated movie. How important is story to animation, anyway?Kind of feels a little counter-productive to talk down what is essentially an 'independent film' cobbled together over decades versus a polished corporate product.
>>153029043Counterargument. If all Williams wanted to do was make a love letter to hand drawn animation, he could have done that as a short art film, or even a series of art films; it would have been more well-received critically and more importantly it would have been finished in 8 years instead of being unfinished after 28.The problem is that Williams set out originally to make a narrative film that also happened to be extremely well-animated - that was the pitch to his team, to his investors, to Allied Filmmakers, and ultimately to Warner Bros. These people were investing their time, talent, and money into making what they were led to believe would be an entertaining and financially successful narrative film - not one man's art film.Lindsey didn't even touch on the less pleasant sides of Thief's production, like the *insane* turnover Williams had with the animators he was hiring: Dozens of animators over the decades were fired by Williams for not being up to his standards, dozens more burnt out and quit over the grueling workload and discouragement of Williams constantly throwing out months and months of their hard work, and dozens on top of that were simply laid off due to the project's constant financial instability.
>>153029032Oh god, that bitchDid she even got ANY views from being in Nebula?
>>153029269>Lindsey didn't even touch on the less pleasant sides of Thief's production, like the *insane* turnover Williams had with the animators he was hiring: Dozens of animators over the decades were fired by Williams for not being up to his standards, dozens more burnt out and quit over the grueling workload and discouragement of Williams constantly throwing out months and months of their hard work, and dozens on top of that were simply laid off due to the project's constant financial instability.Did she even botherOH I bet not, The guy who finished the touches and animated ZigZag deflected from Williams studio and went to work with Disney and he designed the Genie and Jaffar, but I bet she didn't even cared.
>>153029043There's a happy medium between a generic focus-tested disney sludge, and a meandering self-indulgent wankfest (exaggerating here before you get mad). Ultimately, no matter how beautiful the animation is, it's a tall ask for most people to sit for an hour and a half and watch something that there's no real investment in. Like >>153029269 said, such a film would be better suited as a short film type experiment.
i always thought the nostalgia chick was hot
>>153029032girls have different genitalia, its really weird.
>>153029446>>153029269How can japanese people sit trough longer anime films over there?
>>153029741The anime films generally have a plot.
>>153029032>DID X REALLY DID X EVEN TOUGH WE KNOW ITS X!?WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST SAY YES OR NO IN THEIR STATEMENTS! I HAAAAAATE YOUTUBE.
>>153029741Anime films have plots.
>>153029032If I had a nickle for every time a faggot try acting like Disney didn't rip off a movie....I'd have two nickels
>>153029783YourMovieSucksDogDick at least provided a shitload of evidence that Lion King didn't ripoff Kimba like people think.
>>153029849He is a leftist and a Zoophile, no not just a Furry, an actual ZOOPHILE, so fuck him.
>>153029032>taking something publically available is stealingWhy are some people like this?
>>153029853Broken clock, etc. He's right about Kimba.
>>153029032didn't this dyke kill her infant?
>>153029892Yes, then Doug Walker asked her permission to do an abortion joke
I'd say Aladdin steals way more from The Thief of Bagdad than anything else.
>>153029032
>>153029032If this vapid cunt didn't get hooked up with the Nebula crowd, she'd probably have been canceled and doing onlyfans "ironically" to pay her rent.
>>153029043>Disney brainrotted so many people into thinking they need some type of three act structure with musical numbers in order to enjoy an animated movie. How important is story to animation, anyway?Other point: Disney put their money where their mouth was when it came to craft and tried the feature art piece thing with Fantasia, but their story department is still the model for commercial success. Times change though, you’re right that projects like Cobbler are worth making
>>153029853This
>>153029927>Times change though, you’re right that projects like Cobbler are worth makingYeah, but they're also worth finishing and that was always Williams' problem - the work was never finished and it was never going to be finished.Even by the time Williams had control of the project taken away from him, most sources cite there was about 15-20 minutes of fairly animation and story-heavy scenes that were, at best, rough keyframes or pencil tests, and at worst, basic storyboards. Considering the workprint he showed Warner Bros when they pulled out was about 90 minutes flat, that's about a fifth of the fucking movie still to go after almost 30 years.
>>153029890>I SUPPORT EVIL CAUSE I LIKE CONTENT
>>153030011Why is fucking animated films expected to be so fucking short? Doesn't that still treats it like a genre instead of a medium?
>>153030109>Why is fucking animated films expected to be so fucking short?Because it takes so much goddamned work.90 minutes at 24 frames per second is about 130K images. If you finished one frame completely every single day - the linework, the cleanup, the finishing, the post-production, everything - it would take 355 years to finish the project.
>>153029032When did this bitch come back after the Raya fiasco?
>>153029043>How important is story to animation, anyway?Its not relevant to the craft in its purest form outside of of timing and pacing of movement, but its important to audience engagement beyond the most hardcore fans of the craft.From the dawn of time art was a tool for conveyance as much if not more than one for self expression and that conveyance is more closely tied to the Social and Material fabric of life, which unfourtanly makes the craft itself secondary in the realms of the material and social we live in unless your part of a money laundering scheme.
>>153030152She never went away, she just paywalled her videos on a Video Essayist only platform she helped to found called nebula.Now that Nebula has hit the softcap of people willing to engage with the platform, she is slowly leaking some of her bigger videos out to double dip.And before anyone asks the only interesting videos on Nebula by her after all these years are her defense of Guy Fieri and her breakdown on why modern Disney is doing CGI Remakes if not not deep in the Animation News and Theory trenches.
>>153029032Nostalgia Chick is highly satanic because she worships Disney. It's like she wants to make christians uposet
>>153030201You're a jeet unless stated otherwise.
>>153030138How do you explain the last Eva movie then?
>>153030174So she defends bad people, demonizes good and innocent, like a good commie 5th columnist, she literally made a documentary defending Yoko Ono and shitting on Jhon Lennon, now that guy was a hippie so I could care less, but she did defended Amber Heard and call Jhonny Deep and evil wife beater that got away with it.........She is completely totally retarded, not living in reality
>>153030227Yoko Ono actually does deserve to be defended, she's been demonized to an absurd degree over the years, often getting blame she doesn't deserve. Plus her son Sean is cool.Other than that, I agree with you. Fuck Lindsay Ellis and her commie bullshit.#BOBMOB
>>153030211NTA but they used computers.The reason the entire industry abandoned cells and tarnished the craft was ostensibly because going digital made the workload way more efficient.
>>153029032>foid opinions
>>153030243>Yoko Ono actually does deserve to be defended, she's been demonized to an absurd degree over the yearsnot the beatles hate, no. but she seems kinda insufferable in anything i've seen her in the last 20 years, i don't imagine thats new behavior for her.
>>153029043>How important is story to animation, anyway?very importantits not wrong to value story lower than animation in a visual medium like animation, but to say it doesnt matter to anyone is just blatantly wronglindsay ellis even prefaces her statement saying she understands why people glaze the movie so hard, because it is a masterpiece of animation, but that it has a non-sensical story on top of it
>>153030227>she literally made a documentary defending Yoko Onoshe literally brought up recieptsall four beatles liked yoko, all of them were appalled at the idea that yoko was the reason they split, and people just latched on to the narrative that everything was sunshine and rainbows until the evil woman shows upwhen in reality, there were already creative differences between the beatles that made a breakup inevitable, the beatles were all quite fond of yoko as a person
>>153030306NTA but yeah, she and John hooked up because they were both insufferable arthouse twats and being together made them both worse. But the thing that broke up the Beatles, that being mainly the rift between George and John was already in motion because of who they were as people.
>>153029032https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW1SBeHHyf0
>>153029032The only thing I hate more than this bitch are her retarded simps.
>>153030380Never forget when she accidentally got Quinton Reviews exposed for being a massive sad simp
>>153029853Yes. He's also correct about Kimba.
>>153029853>>153030410YMS wants that lion pingas
Can someone please download her videos from Nebula and then reupload them on a mega here?
>>153030211Most of that movie is CGI you fucking idiot.
>>153030243Yoko Ono deserves hatred for creating postmodern art.
>>153029032did this lady come back from politics or is this just an intermission from it?
>>153029753if they answered the question outright then there wouldn't be as many clicks
>>153030227Trying to turn the video into a Heard defense was the real problem.
western animation isn't all that it's fussed up to be, honestly.
>>153030092>I WON'T ACCEPT FACTS BECAUSE A GUY FUCKS HIS DOG
>>153029032I dont give a shit what ellis has to say. She was always one of the lowest rung TGWTG "creators" and she's another worthless fourth wave feminist dyke ontop of it. What I will say is Thief and the Cobbler deserved better. I know all the details, all the producer mumbo jumbo, and everything tangentially related. However what has been able to be stitched together from the pieces of the movie we did get and the deleted scenes scattered around the net is nothing short of astonishing. Disney's Aladdin is ultimately still a great film, but Cobbler is ultimately an animation enthusiast's film. Just like many golden age shorts, the movie is there to sell you on its visuals and simple story, and it does wonders off just that. The issues only arrose when Warner and company sought to sell the film as more of a ripoff of Aladdin than it ever was.
>>153031312No, you stupid faggot
>>153030201Stfu
>>153031312>>153031385My bad
>>153031312Yes
>>153031466K, retard
There's something that feels very unaware about the forced giggling towards the use of the word balls. Richard Williams' nickname was Dick Willy and there's a gag in the film where the Thief puts all 3 balls in his pants and swings them around like a big cock. He knew what innuendo was.
>>153029032The baby killer is actually right with that statement.
>>153029032>it's a giant masturbation to the disney renaissance + 5 minutes of saying the thief isn't goodYawn. It's like 2011 tumblr never ended.
>>153031573Nope
>>153029783Three nickelshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAIShMxjqZo
>>153031573Thief isn’t a good movie. It’s an absolutely breathtaking exhibition of what can be accomplished with hand drawn animation, the likes of which we may never see again, but it objectively fails as a movie. This project is the epitome of “perfect is the enemy of good”.
someone's going to shit on the thief and the cobbler in the future by completing it with AI
>>153031542
Although its plot was nothing special, that's like saying that the adventures of prince Achmed isn'ta good film because it's just a fairy tale.There is more to art than just plot.
>>153030011I’m assuming you’re a different anon who already said that in your reply to ayrt’s comment which is why I focused on the positive lol but yes that perfectionism was the flawed side when it came to Williams
>>153031660atlantis is basically a straight rip of stargate thoughevernot that I complain, stargate is a fantastic movie
>>153031367The war machine sequence is the one bit that was able to get full production to finished quality due to funding from a middle eastern philantrophist. Imagine the whole movie to that standard, damn.
>>153031660what about the we need to talk about how evangelion ripped off Ideon
>>153029032How come Todd in the Shadows is the only Channel Awesome member still chugging along?
when new spoony...
>>153032594The Spoony One review of Forest Warrior is up on Nebula right now.
>>153032610he's right tho
>>153032610Is this finally the year of Spoony?
>>153029032Despite being a retarded cunt, she is correct. Thief and Cobbler WASN'T good. Even if we focus on just the animation, it wasn't very good. None of the designs made sense. Everything was ugly. It flowed poorly and stuff was constantly melting into each others. Just Zig-Zag's introduction itself had these awfully stylized people. It just wasn't that impressive.
>>153029753I recommend Fleekazoid for that paticular malady.
>>153032757Shittaste
>>153032614No, faggot
>>153029032You should know better not to click on her shit after she shat on The Emperor's New Groove for being "cultural appropriation" Also, did she really aborted one of her babies because it was male or was that something Xwitter made up? I saw it being brought up multiple times every time she shits on the Nostalgia Critic and she does seem the sort of person that would actually do that
>>153032625The Spoony prophecy has been fulfilled
>>153031367>but Cobbler is ultimately an animation enthusiast's filmAnd that’s its problem. The majority of your potential audience doesn’t want to watch an animation enthusiast’s art film, and most studios don’t want to fund an animation enthusiast’s art film. Williams sold the original investors on a popular film with strong visuals supporting a strong narrative, and he wasn’t up to delivering on the latter because he was too much of a perfectionist about the former. I get that we like to demonize studios and most of the shit they get is well deserved, but when you’re making shit on other people’s dime you’re expected to deliver on what you promised.Thief and the Cobbler is Richard Williams’ Wardenclyffe. Nikola Tesla was a genius when it came to electrical engineering, but he was a garbage physicist; he dismissed most of the work that was being done by his contemporaries, dismissing modern physics in its entirety, and as a result he didn’t have enough of the picture to understand why his grand vision was doomed to failure; and because his grand vision was being funded by other people its failure ruined him. Williams was a prodigy when it came to taking and perspective and flow in animation, but he couldn’t write his way out of a paper bag, and he was so concerned with making the best animation he could that he failed to understand why his grand vision was doomed to failure; and because his grand vision was being funded by other people, its failure ruined him.You can be sympathetic to the tragedy of unfulfilled genius, but you can also acknowledge that their failures are entirely due to their own hubris and gaps in their skills or knowledge.
>>153032823Scanty a cute
>>153032757Part of the problem is that production went on for so long that Williams’ interests and focus actively changed over time. The designs, animation, and even basic aesthetic he was working with when the project started aren’t even in the same ballpark as what he was actively doing at the time he lost control of the project. Imagine trying to film a movie over 30 years and you keep changing your mind about things as you go - you recast characters, change wardrobes, introduce new characters, write out old ones, change the story, change cameras, change aspect ratios, switch from film to digital, etc. You would never be able to get a consistent end product from that mess.
>>153032282So what's the point?
>>153032282Kek, this is pretty funny
>>153032823>Says "Cultural appropriation doesn't necessarily has a bad connotation" >*Proceeds to spend half of the video telling the viewer why it is always bad and why X and X movie is bad because of it* This bitch is stupid
>>153032868I wouldn't do that. I've worked on Wall St. and still work with financial people in IT. I've never gone beyond the scope of my IT projects and I actually had an assistant to make sure I wouldn't go beyond scope. The fact that the studios didn't rein him in is on them, but also, he failed to deliver on a project and got rightly kicked to the curb. And besides, there's animation for animation's sake. Nobody but other professionals would give a shit. Make a small animation to release to other professional animations. Don't make a big budget blockbuster out of it.
>>153032823Male baby bad, female baby good
It's really mindblowing to renaissance fags that some people want to make films because they're passionate, and not because they care about making 800 million at the box office and 2 billion from merchandising rights. The whole system in Hollywood revolves around a bunch of nepotistic parasites, who are only in it for the money, gambling on people that can actually make something. So of course somebody like Richard Williams is seen as absolutely loathsome. He self-funded his own stuff over the course of decades, working hundreds of small jobs. He became self-educated and sought education from the best people in the business, because he was that passionate. The people who think like this are just so strange. Even if the film actually was as terrible as some people pretend it is, it would still be an incredibly invaluable piece of work from one of our greatest artists. But all the criticism of this film is just about how he was so deluded and narcissistic, and he's doing story and character "wrong" because they don't identically conform to what a 90's Disney film would've done. There is something very mentally decrepit about Disney adults. and how they think about films. To them, films aren't something that are complex, or have nuances, or have types of aesthetics or craftsmanship worth caring about for their own sake. They're just products that are have a good-bad binary. It's sad.
>>153032832reality: cobbler would have been a masterpiecereality: teslas contemporaries crippled physics with their idiotic bullshit for nearly 100 years.
>>153032909>This bitch is stupidObviously
>>153033099>reality: cobbler would have been a masterpieceNice headcanon
>>153029043Williams more than anyone else lived the model animation career because he succeeded independently and commercially with an obsession on craft, but that also led to his biggest failure. He wrote the book that formed people’s understanding of the medium. He was the voice of authority. And yet this was his big opus that never happened. And yet his obsession with craft hamstrung his ability to adapt to the business he was working with. And yet his utter commitment to mastering the fundamentals of drawing left him without the fundamentals of story when he needed them. The way this movie is talked about is really about the artist and the whole history. There’s some resentment that he got to indulge in craft his whole life while others continued to work how they were supposed to and didn’t receive that reward. The people best informed to appreciate his animation for animation’s sake also had to reckon with the knowledge of what was squandered, cost, and lost. But that’s just what happens when people become models anyway, it’s all part of the conversation.
>>153032427It's such a beautifully elaborate and indulgent sequence. I have, for years now, seen anons argue it was a needless addition but they couldnt be further from the truth. The entire point of the movie is the excessively intricate animation. It is the West's equivalent to Redline. Movies like it dont come along often and Cobbler barely got made as is. If you cant appreciate the pure passion that went into it the movie isnt for you and never was. >>153032832From a business perspective, sure. On it's own merits? I adore it. Nothing can or will ever change it. The best of Western animation rarely succeeds financially. Fantasia, Iron Giant, King of Egypt they were all financial duds but that doesnt stop me from prasing them.Cobbler has "weak writing" because it wasnt meant to have any writing to begin with. If Williams' got his way I can imagine all but the king and Zigzag would speak.
>>153029032I used to listen to her old videos alot but I can't make it through a minute of her new ones.
>>153032791yuuuup
>>153032823The Emperor's New Groove was kino
>>153032823>did she really aborted one of her babies because it was male or was that something Xwitter made up?It was just one of those things the internet made up back when people obsessed with NC, Linkara and the other Channel Awesome faggots started accusing her of Yoko Onoing the channel. She did have an abortion in grad school, and has cited her reasons for doing so were that she wasn’t ready to start a family at that time. She has since gotten married and has two children.
>>153032823The old rumor goes she had a one night stand with Spooney, found out she'd been knocked up, then aborted the kid without Spooney's input which then ushered in Spoony's depressive spiral. Considering what massive dumpsterfires the average TGWTG personnel (besides Doug) turned out to be, I subscribe heavily to the theory.
>>153033090Based
Just a reminder that Richard Williams was offered by Disney direct Beauty and the Beast but he said no. Hollywood wanted to tard wrangle him so badly. But really the existence of Roger Rabbit alone was enough to create the Disney Renaissance. The Little Mermaid team were literally so embarrassed by how good Roger Rabbit was that there was an internal struggle to get the films looking better by trying to figure out the best tricks (which in reality a bunch of people like Richard Williams already knew). That's what the Renaissance is.
>>153029032Disney films are all stolen. Snow White is based on a Brother's Grimm story. Lion King is Hamlet with animals. Little Mermaid is based on a Hans Christian Andersen story.
>>1530333002 FEMALE children which is suspicious when you take the aborted male baby theory into account
>>153033457There's a difference between adapting old stories and blatantly being involved in corporate espionage in order to undercut your competitors (something which Dreamworks fucking did dozens of times but nobody gives them shit like Disney).
>>153033090Nobody is saying it's bad to have passion or that it's bad to create a masterpiece. Well, okay - some people are, but those people are retards. What I'm saying is that Hollywood is a place to make money. If your passion project isn't going to make money, Hollywood doesn't want it. So you need to convince the studios that your passion project is a product that WILL make money OR you do it without the involvement of the studios. He chose to do it with the studios, so when they rightfully asked him why the fucking product wasn't done, he wasn't able to say shit. So he got fired, and rightly so, and they made the shitty version, which fucking tanked, because most people don't give a shit because Aladdin existed having ripped off Thief. The smart option would be to do it without the studios, but guy was a retard. This reminds me of that one movie about the kid who lives in a train station and finds some old dude that was a famous French movie guy and the movie tanked because nobody gives a shit.
>>153033172But you do understand that's why it failed, right?
>>153033501> This reminds me of that one movie about the kid who lives in a train station and finds some old dude that was a famous French movie guy and the movie tanked because nobody gives a shit.Martin Scorsese's Hugo?
>>153033415Wasn't it also a recovery from Don Bluth's brain drain?Kinda odd that Nostalgia Chick didn't refer back to her previous Aladdin video about Disney kidnapping Robin Williams from Ferngully.
>>153029467Quinton...
>>153033501Yeah, his only mistake was that he trusted Hollywood. That is clear. When you're a workaholic that doesn't care about money it's pretty apparent that you're going to have some problems working with Hollywood.
>>153033490...ohEwThose poor girls.
>>153033501>The smart option would be to do it without the studiosWhich is exactly what he did, funding it out of pocket on and off for like 20 years.
>>153029853Careful anon, you’re going to get him to show up here to type up an essay about how mean it is that your bad-faith misinterpreting his stances on dogfucking.
>>153033099Cobbler was destined to fail because the only people who want to pay to see 90 minutes of animator porn with no story are animators, and there’s not enough of those for a studio funding the project to recoup its investment.Wardenclyffe was destined to fail because despite his aptitude for circuits Tesla didn’t understand the square root of jack shit about plasma/radio interactions or transmission attenuation. Tesla was still dismissing fundamental ideas in radio physics even as it was being used for communication, he was rejecting basic experimental results in quantum physics because it didn’t fit his idealized version of how reality ought to work. He was sticking his head in the sand.
>>153033532Lindsay explicitly mentions the Bluth brain drain as a contributing factor.
>>153029032>>153032823>>153033490The whole video was just an excuse so she could not only shit on shit on Richard Williams, but also cry about how Howard Ashman was so much more talented than him and how sad it was that he died of Aids for 20 minutes
>>153033518That's the one. Movie sucked ass. >>153033590Correct. That rich A-rab should've funded the entire thing or whatever. Honestly, sucks that Patreon didn't exist back then. So much good stuff could've been made.>>153033599Are you fucking retarded? Kill yourself.
>>153033610>he was rejecting basic experimental results in quantum physicsresults like these you mean?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaC_aKqjCXUyou are proven wrong automatically because thief has a cult following. there are plenty of people who want to see a masterpiece of animation for its own sake.
>>153033457Lion king us a 1:1 ripoff if hamlet with faggots and nit even subtle right to rule+racial superiority ideals sprinkled liberally throughout.Its a gross movie.
>>153033636it's a based movie that only happened because the jewish leadership looked away for 2 seconds to focus on white guilt racemixing in pocahontas.
>>153033621Seems like it
>>153033513Yes, completely.
>>153033636Kys, projecting fagtard
The Thief and the Cobbler is inherently niche. It's mostly animation for animation's sake, and most people don't have the eye to really appreciate that.I think a good example is that whole sequence when the thief is balancing the three golden balls on the minaret. There are over a thousand different frames just for that one little moment. It's crazy, it's impressive. But, if you don't pay attention to how fluid it is, it ends up just being an unfunny physical comedy shot that goes on too long.>>153029043I don't think it's necessarily wrong to view animation as a means to something else.I mean is painting an 'end' in and of itself, or should it be in service to a picture or an emotion or theme?Is writing worth while if it doesn't lead to information, quality narrative, or anything else?I mean maybe. But that's inherently a niche thing. It's like Jackson Pollock. He did his splatter-pieces because he wanted to make painting just for the love and painting and no other meaning.And most people hate his 'paintings.'
>>153029915>>153030243And what did Bob want? Friendship. Nothing more but simple friendship.All that man did was call her a friend. And she brutally rebuked him for it. Who rejects being called a friend?
>>153033490>2 FEMALE children which is suspiciousRight!? I mean there’s only a…>cut to extended Beautiful Mind montage… 1 in 4 chance of that! It’s practically impossible!
>>153029849>>153029853you're really gonna diss my boi adum johnston like that
>>153029032>>153033621>*Spends 20 minutes crying about how Ashman died of aids* >after she's done she goes "what was this video about? oh...yeah, Richard Williams"
>>153033651Yes. Any retard can interpret a movie in anyway they want by misrepresenting things. We are on co. >>153033680Hit queers holler. Grow up anon. Your childhood movies aren't perfect. And some if them are terrible with bad messaging.
>>153029032This was a surprise in my recommendations because I legitimately thought she died.I didn’t watch the video so I don’t know what’s it about.
>>153033744Keep crying, projecting faggot.
>>153029043>With the eye-catching inflammatory OP out of the wayFaggot
>>153033624What are some good stuff funded only through Patreon?
>>153033744this is what immigration looks like in the lion king
>>153033693Hes been creeping on her for years at that point and apparently keeps a singlevselfie as evidence 9f something more then being casually acquainted. Besides it seems she's full "This ugly fuvker thinks we're looks matched? Im insulted!" When shes a hard 5.5 with a pornstar body and diva attitude.
>>153033599>Did the Roger Rabbit job specifically to gain money and power to complete TTATC>Dick: Hell yeah, Roger Rabbit was one of the biggest films of the 80s, they MUST give me some leeway on this>Hollywood executive: Sorry Mr. Williams but the deadline is tomorrow. Your contract will expire and the film will become our property>Dick: Wait a sec, I've been making this fucking film for 15 years, surely we can re-negotiate something?>Hollywood executive: Sorry, but Mr. Weinstein watched the "film" for 5 seconds and he felt that it didn't really have "Beaty and the Beast" vibes in terms of profitability>Life work goneBing bong booly booly booly boo we're what happens when you trust a certain type of people
>>153033771isn't it because the evil king was evil and when the good king took the throne everything was fixxed?
>>153033610>he was rejecting basic experimental results in quantum physics because it didn’t fit his idealized version of how reality ought to workPhysicists often fall into this trap. Forming a vision for how reality should work and working to prove it is their job. Naturally they get attached to their ideas and it's hard for them to abandon them.They get attached to ideas because they sound good or appeal to some sense of elegance or simplicity. But the universe isn't so accommodating.
>>153033513>BUTT yOu dO uNdErstAnd thAt'S wHy iT fAilEd, riGhT?
>>153033741Cute dog
>>153033415The Renaissance went down the shitter real fast too
>>153033621The video wasn’t shitting on Williams. He’s frequently lauded as a talented guy who had a profound impact on the industry, it’s just that it also acknowledges that maybe he was a bit too much of a perfectionist for his own good.But there’s already fifty thousand video essays on the internet sucking Williams’ dick already. Ashman is rarely mentioned by comparison. Even the Disney Renaissance documentary that came it a few years ago, Waking Sleeping Beauty, focused mostly on Eisner, Katzenberg, and Mencken, while most of the stuff about Ashman’s critical contributions are cut from the documentary and buried away in the bonus features.
>>153033760What's that?Is that a dog hollering?As if its been hit.>>153033771Less immigration more what jews think will happen to their glorious shit hole funded by the us and world banks if the desert people are allowed into their country. Now shiw the on where magically everything became better because the proper king came in and everything turned green and animal species magically came back. They even had a fucking nazi inspired hyena march scene.
>>153029910Disney's Aladdin steals more from The Thief of Baghdad than from Aladdin in the 1,001 Nights collection, oddly enough.
>>153033617Lindsay? more like BITCHsay, hahagot 'em
>>153033851Ok, faggot
>>153033773>Hes been creeping on her for years at that point and apparently keeps a singlevselfie as evidence 9f something more then being casually acquainted.As far as I know, the "creeping on her" was just replying to her online and being friendly and conventions. He had no reason to believe she had any hostility towards him, since she had always been friendly back towards him in the past. The cowardly "soft blocking" thing is a tell, if you want to block someone just do it, or dm the guy to tell him to back off. Don't send subtle messages that are likely to be misinterpreted or missed entirely, and then publicly shame him. Bob was guilty of being oblivious at most.>Besides it seems she's full "This ugly fuvker thinks we're looks matched? Im insulted!" Yeah that's the vibe I got from it too, which make it feel extra cruel.
>>153032757Its a cartoon, its spectacle over adherence to reality.
>>153033868>Disney's Aladdin stealsYes, he's a thief
>>153033894RIFF RAFF
>>153033621Based
>>153033942No
>>153033877Based
>>153033868The Thief and the Cobbler definitely takes influence from the 1924 Thief of Baghdad
>>153029032>>153033621>>153033741>"I don't know why people keep bringing up Richard Williams being a perfectionist as a positive thing when it is clearly a negative thing"
>>153033886Her reply isnt out if nowhere. Theres something to that. Unless she constructed an entire elaborate fantasy before she posted that. But shebis the flights of whimsy and overthinks things type plus is a woman in a mean girls atmosphere. But I think its more like Bob was inadvertently creeping on the hot girl in their little circle and she was tired of him. But you could be right. I unno anything about these people other thrn their videos and casual reading of their drama crap on 4chan and YouTube.
>>153034048Yeah, I don't know much of anything about them either to be honest. So we're just speculating about stuff, probably too much. I can't say if she had other reasons or not, or what was going on in her head.My main problem with it is she responded so publicly and harshly to him. Without knowing any deeper context that justifies it, that comes off as a poor way to handle it.
>>153033457>Lion King is Hamlet with animalsYou have never watched or read Hamlet and you need to stop saying this.
>>153034012Cringe
>>153034112Bad Uncle = Hamlet, Casper the Friendly Ghost new this.
>>153034147Retard
>>153034112>A prince loses his father and the uncle takes power>the father appears as a spirit>the son has to confront uncle and reclaim what was takenIt's not Hamlet exactly obviously, but you can see why people make the connection
>>153032909She's very clearly straining against the culture and standards she set for herself and others when younger. The multiple times where she clearly goes "ooh this thing is racist ooooh yikes" but then goes "but no please don't take it away I like it" in this video, or the way she actually, if very quickly, does a "calarts shit because beanmouth" joke, something ten years ago would count as evil gamergater talk
>>153034112The film was internally referred to as Hamlet with lions and at one stage there was a more obvert reference where it directly quotes "goodnight sweet prince". It might not be an EXACT adaptation of Hamlet, but the outline is there.
>>153031069It predates Yoko's music career by decades, retard.
>>153033879I accept your concession faggot. Goddamn, I mind broke the fuck out of you. >>153034091You have to publicly wreck certain people to break any illusion of there being anything thereofr theyll just keep coming back. Cruelty is sometimes necessary. Like wierdos and queers who dont like to hear "I dont like you/im not a homo" as an answer so we'll vreep around and play nice while looking for signs of weakness or opportunities to strike.>>153034233Thats every tenth story ever written about families anon. The hamlet allusions come from pseuds and more then likely Disney PR. It is a 1:1 ripoff of Kimba the white lion and the cloud lion spirit used as evidence is a convenient accident.
>>153030152>>153030174Yeah, I knew that she retreated to making paywall content so that the only people paying attention to her wouldn't have an incentive to criticise her, but like when did she decide to crawl out of the Nebula hole?
>>153034347>Goddamn, I mind broke the fuck out of you.No, faggot>It is a 1:1 ripoff of Kimba the white lionWrong, retarded faggot.
>>153029032Haunted vagina, hope the bobmob finishes the job on this cunt.
>>153033501You have to be dedicated, competent, and willing to compromise everything for permission to do your work to go to Hollywood, so the only artists that make these deals are skilled people with utter contempt for colleagues whose business they see as useless or easy while wanting to have their cake and eat it too artwise. And the business guys are just as bad in the opposite direction, so their idea of adaptability and commitment is directly opposed to what animators consider adaptive and committed behavior. When either side of the process seeks to take total control or give it up completely the picture and medium as a whole suffer for it. Cobbler’s legacy is a cautionary tale about blinding success and the failure to balance those extremes.
>>153034395Based
>>153032610Betrayal..
>>153034559BETRAYAL
>>153034233But it’s only got those few superficial similarities without most of the substance of Hamlet. Some of the characters have those sort of similar roles in those one or two instances but their personalities and motivations are wildly different, as is the majority of the story and all of the themes.>>153034292Production also described Lion King as “Bambi with Lions,” and I think that’s a much more fair comparison because both of those movies follow far more of the same story beats.Saying that LK “is” Hamlet because they both have a usurping uncle and ghost dad is like saying Annie and Anastasia are the same story because they’re both about orphans looking for their lost families. There’s a parallel, but it’s hardly like one is an adaptation of the other. People need to stop spreading the falsehood that Lion King is Hamlet and “but they both ___” is not a defense for them to keep doing it.
>>153032614Choke on a dick
>>153034347>the cloud lion spiritThe ghost dad thing IS in Kimba.
>>153034581>But it’s only got those few superficial similarities without most of the substance of Hamlet. Some of the characters have those sort of similar roles in those one or two instances but their personalities and motivations are wildly different, as is the majority of the story and all of the themes.Yeah I agree with you there
>>153029043Animation is just another medium with which to deliver a story and thus should be held to the same narrative standards as any other medium. You'd be pissed if you went to a movie and it was nothing but beautiful footage of the jungle for 90 minutes with no strong story.
>>153034641>You'd be pissed if you went to a movie and it was nothing but beautiful footage of the jungle for 90 minutes with no strong story.But I watch wildlife documentaries...
>>153034641Disney made millions making of those in the 1950s, thoughbeit usually with a story structure. Audiences get more pissed that a movie wasn’t what you expected than by it being a crap movie.
>>153029853>ad hom argument
>>153034641>nothing but beautiful footage of the jungle for 90 minutes with no storyThat is most of my streaming history now that you mention it.
Don't mind me just being the better nostalgia chick.
>>153034781Oddly enough the lemming bullshit in your pic came from Disney trying too hard to inject too much of a story.
>>153034796>that part in the spune commentary where they talk shit about her
>>153034796She has a beauty I find difficult to describe, let's all go enjoy her Sailor Moon review!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppvcIJp0doQ
>>153032610>he was always an assholeDisgusting. I study martial arts history as a hobby and have read a lot from martial artists about Chuck Norris. From everything I've seen over the years, Chuck had a reputation as one of the nicest people you could know. I'm sure they're calling him an asshole just because of his religious and political beliefs, but it's still jarring to see someone who had a reputation for being incredibly kind being called an asshole by people who don't know him. I don't agree with all the views he had either, but as far as right-wing Christians go, he genuinely seemed to try to live up to being a good Christian man rather than paying lip service to it.
>>153034847Not just people in the martial arts world either. The people who worked with him on movies liked him, and he was even good to random people on the street asking for autographs.
>>153034671Documentaries arent feature films
>>153029032I mean to be fair it isn't but Aladdin is mid too.
>>153034847Yes, bigots are often quite friendly to their own.
>>153034641baraka and samsara are legendary works of art
>>153034349She still puts out critical vids once a year or so on YouTube, presumably whatever gets good enough engagement numbers on Nebula to have a chance of surviving YouTube’s algorithm.
>>153029032I watched it and even though I think she should've just made a Howard Ashman video instead, I found myself agreeing with her a few times. Also at the end she was very sympathetic towards Williams and what happened to the movie.
>>153035127Stfu, faggot.
>>153035127He wasn't a bigot either. At most he had fairly standard Christian/conservative positions on LGBT issues, and he wasn't even particularly hardline on them.
>>153034816Yeah it’s probably the best known example of exalting story being the wrong choice
>>153035301>he wasn't a bigot, he was a standard conservative
>>153033845Yeah, it is good to see Ashman get more credit for his hand in the Renaissance.
>>153033833The only mediocre one was Pochohontas
>>153033300She is gonna murder those poor kids, I mean she literally uses hers as guilt props in this cobbler videos as sublimination to prove her point.God take away those kids from her.
>>153035372Maybe "standard conservative" has shifted over the years. But what I mean is his views would be considered very mild among conservatives, especially among conservative Christians.I read him as more similar to the "don't force businesses to bake a cake" type positions. I guess if being a standard Christian against gay marriage in 2008 is enough to be called a bigot in your mind, I can't sway you. But there's no reason I've seen to consider him as having been especially harsh on those issues.
>>153035372Fuck off, stupid faggot
>she didnt deepthroat williams for 60 minutes, she must hate him!!!i know autism and nuance tend to be at extreme odds with each other but come on fellas
>>153033763200 replies, so it worked! ;^)
>>153033651Based? You sure you ain't WORDFILTERED?
>>153032415Even as a 10 year old I found it kind of odd how similar these movies were. The fact the A without the cross stroke is used in both logos is funny to me.
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>>153034847Critic did the same thing when he was sucking up Segata Sanshiro in one of his commercials episodes (only to have Sanshiro played by a Jeet in his unfunny Demo Reel 2.0 skits)
>>153029043I dont think it's only Disney's fault that normalfags expect a movie to have a plot.
>>153035553Hi, Slowpoke
>>153035127>"Bigots"Hey fuckface, you leftoids don't believe in friendship, just in getting "allies", the fucking each other and eating each other.
>>153035127But you're a bigot.
>>153034641>nothing but beautiful footage of the jungle for 90 minutes with no strong story.literally just Aguirre, but don’t let film bros see me say that.
>>153035946>panflute intensifies
>>153032823you absolute fuckinh tard. she literally DEFENDED New Groove. she said that since it's barely related to the culture it's detecting aside from lamas, dress and some architecture, so getting mad about it is pretty stupid since it's just a comedy movie.WHY are you making me do this? YOURE FIGHTING AGAINST YOURSELF YOU FUCKING SLOP GUZZLING SHIT FOR BRAINS
>>153029032It's crazy that Lindsay makes like 200k a year on Patreon for her vids. I should have become a child-killing breadtuber ffs.
>>153035469>I guess if being a standard Christian against gay marriage in 2008 is enough to be called a bigotObviously, dude. You can’t even imagine detaching from the cult of normalization.
>>153032823>she shat on The Emperor's New Groove for being "cultural appropriation"No she didn't. Also she spent her Dumbo video saying you can like shit even if it is racist, and in fact should if you want to actually understand media.
>>153036003Shes been doing youtube videos since the early 2010s, love her or hate her her dedication paid off
>>153036152But she murdered Spoony's baby. She deserves to die and burn in hell.
>>153036224She betrayed Spoony!?
>>153036240Spoony betrayed himself!
>>153035641This, Plus everything has to come down to sex like Frodo & Sam HAVE to be gay.
>>153034847I'm gay and I just get that sometimes people are old and will have old people opinions. Nothing you can do if they aren't being assholes about it. Just be as kind as you can and hope you're kindness leaves the best impression and if you give your opinion then hope they come around. Kindness might not always breed more kindness but hate will only breed hate.
>>153036003Most be good to invest in those botfarms to trick the system.
>>153036299No it doesn't you hypocrite
>>153036452Cope
>>153036452Yes it does, All leftists are base hedonists that don't believe in anything and just want more sensory input.
>>153035494Oh, let's look at her deep criticisms of the film.>wtfff there's a character called princess yumyum? wtf that isn't a real name from real life? wtf wtf? that's weird?? and sexist??>balls lol they say the word balls lol lol...Yeah, really compelling stuff. But seriously, no, it's complete nothingness. She doesn't talk about the technique, or make any effort to appreciate the prose of the film on its own terms. It's the typical uncurious youtube film review. If you don't like the film, fine, films are subjective. But when the hour-long video is almost entirely a thinly-veiled Renaissance masturbation session, it's difficult to really see that as being genuinely charitable to Dick or the film. At best it's saying that the Renaissance happened because of Dick; it's exclusively recontextualizing the film as being in a lower position to something better.
>>153029032It wasn't good, and gaslighting faggot is convincing me otherwise.
>>153036522>t. watched the first 3 minutes and closed offshe even clarifies that yumyum is a gilbert and sullivan referencewhy bother typing all this if youre going to argue in bad faith
>>153036057By that standard Barack Obama was a bigot back then too, since he publicly opposed same-sex marriage at the time (he later changed his opinion of course).Which is fine if that's your standard. Just apply it consistently. You'll have to call a huge number of people assholes when they die too I guess, like basically anyone who was moderately conservative. Which kinda makes you the asshole, if you think about it.>>153036385>I'm gay and I just get that sometimes people are old and will have old people opinions. The funny thing is that I am too, and I'm not even a conservative. It just bugs me, because there's no justification to single out Chuck Norris as bigoted. He did nothing to deserve the label beyond being a conservative Christian. Despite him writing a column for conservative site, he didn't even talk about these issues all that much. So all they have come up with is basic conservative things like "he supported Prop 8" or that he didn't like Obama so he's somehow a racist. Knowing more about Chuck, I know it's all horseshit.
>>153029032Beautiful animation, but it's ultimately an unfinished product. I love 2-D animation. Also I'm surprised she's still uploading videos, I thought she switched careers to become an author, but I guess maybe her absence was instead to raise two kids. Time flies, jesus christ.
>>153036003>being this livid over someone else’s successYou sound like a lot of fun. What do you do on the weekends? Park outside the country club and seethe at the brunchers?
>>153036599>well then obamas a bigot!1Were you under the impression that bigot means asshole, or are you afraid you can’t handle others seeing you as an asshole if words mean things? Surely if you think discriminating on the basis of religion is normal, you’re not ashamed to be a bigot?
>>153029927They are. But much like say, Duke Nukem, if time passes you by, it passes you by.
>>153036739I'm just saying anon, there are degrees to these things. The way people are talking about him, they're acting like he was the part of the Westboro Baptist Church or something.You're free to flatten the word "bigot" until it loses meaning, but I disagree with tossing the label around so freely.
>>153036522She snickers at Yum Yum for like ten seconds and then goes on like twenty minute long deep dive into the legacy of Victorian era orientalism, common tropes from the transcribed oral traditions in 1001 Nights, and the influence of classic cinema and of dramatic and musical theater on both works.
>>153036781You can just be honest about the whole man and name his prejudices accurately. It’s a word, it can only hurt you if you take it personally. Trying to lie the definition away because you think your fave can’t be good without being perfect is a weaselly waste of time.
>>153036841>You can just be honest about the whole man and name his prejudices accuratelyThat's exactly what I'm doing. Chuck Norris was a great man and not a bigot.
>>153036841Now, let me turn it around on you. How bad of a bigot do you believe he was? What are your reasons for calling him that?Or do you believe all people you call bigots are equally bigoted?
>>153036852You’re entitled to your defensiveness, so I’ll move on.
>>153036884I accept your concession.
>>153036803*she read some stuff from wikipediaMeanwhile, people are showing silent film influences that haven't been documented online before >>153033954
>>153036522I don't want to watch this movie. I just want something to listen to when I'm at work.
>>153029032Well she's right it's not. It's incredible animation but not a great film and probably never would've been.
Having watched the recobbled cut, I really don't agree with the notion that the Thief and the Cobbler's narrative is too weak to support the film.It's a simple but perfectly serviceable story in the style of classic Disney fairytale features like Snow White.The criticism seems like some weird rationalization for why the film somehow deserved its fate by people who aren't even familiar with animation prior to the Disney renaissance.pic unrelated
A lot of animated movies are just glorified tech demos.
>>153037221The story is fine. I really don't get what the problem is. It seems that people just hate that it's not dramatic enough, both in terms of staging important moments or how character are presented. Whatever, I guess. I know it's impossible to convince people to like the movie, but I think the wandering pace of the film is cool and unique. It's lowkey very 1960's and stoner, and I think people just resent that aspect. It's hard to imagine people who dislike TTATC watching something like El Topo or 2001.
>>153029032Linsay Ellis is a moron, news at 11.>>153033845>>153035376I agree Ashman deserves his flowers, but at that point she should've just made a dedicated video about the man instead of dragging someone just as talented down in the process.Hell, Ashman getting praised isn't even new, B-Mask for example goes out of his way to make sure Ashman gets recognition whether the Disney Renaissance comes up in his videos.
>>153035986>she said that since it's barely related to the culture it's detecting aside from lamas, dress and some architectureBut isn't that the entire point of "cultural appropriation"?
>>153029032Didn’t she get an abortion for the sake of a video, and celebrate the fact that she killed her unborn child?
>>153029853The correct term is animal rapist. Don’t ever use their language. It just validates their delusions.
>>153037881No, I think she had a normal abortion, and then a couple years later made a video that talked about it.She has a kid she carried all the way to term now.
>>153038047Two daughters, but her aborted child was a boy.
>>153038190It sounds unlikely that that’d be more than a coincidence. Sex is usually determined later in pregnancy than when most abortions occur.
>>153029032I remember when I was growing up and I first heard about the nostalgia critic and he was making 16 million a year and blowing it on booze and parties. Every single one of them was going to be the next Steven Spielberg yet none of them ever did anything besides nitpick about other people's stuff. They are just the most uncreative people who just regurgitate things they've heard, they make CWC look like a genius cuz at least he makes something these people do nothing but try to justify why they're not creative.
And then I got a YouTube recommendation for the nostalgia critic and it was a video about how he loved AI or because it allowed him to generate things and he thought he was actually making something. But you know these are the guys who would show up to like a random house for random sitcom and try to smell the farts of the actors from their childhood. You know I tried to rewatch one of those old shows that these guys rave about family matters or something with the nerd, it was okay it was not groundbreaking or genius I got bored after 10 minutes. But anyway I watch the video or as much as I could stand and all it was was just incoherent narcissistic complaining. And then she shows you her kids like anyone cares they're probably going to grow up to be like drug prostitutes. Her entire opinion was just based on some other YouTube video, and then she sat there sucking on the fact that one of the creators of Aladdin the musician was gay and dying of AIDS. That was really nothing in here but the same stuff everyone's heard over the last few years and then she tried to complain about some Disney book exposing Disney and she could even understand some things out of it. Just kind of pathetic how these people turned out it was the time when I wanted to be a critic but after seeing how all of them turned out to be just loser drunks coasting on bygone errors the same thing true with that cartoon reviewer was like five of them and they're all about the same clone of each other. None of them ever did any of the stuff they said they would do all of them say oh I'm going to make something and they all failed. It's either crap on other people's stuff when you're not making anything, and that's what really grind my gears they just don't do anything but complain. Their whole complaints are literal repeats of what other people have said years ago they're just hollow non-existent things trying to get attention but they're too stupid to shove some of their butt
>>153037937Yes. Like how homophobe means hate of homosexuals or fear. When it us in fact fear of being labeled as or seen as homosexual. You can u derstand why they co-opted and changed the term.
>>153038580Was that actually the original usage of homophobe? Interesting if true.>First Appearance in Print: The word first appeared in the May 23, 1969, edition of Screw magazine, used by Jack Nichols and Lige Clarke to describe a "straight man's fear that others might think he is gay".What do you know, neat.
>>153038628That certainly makes the fear part make more sense.But language is fluid and that's definitely not what the word means today.
>>153038628Progs and commies have rewritten so much of terms and concepts of values so goddamn much it's a Fool's Errand to document it all, it's scary, yet it comes down to, we will fuck you up.
>>153038559Nigga, you better add fucking paragraph spaces, cause no way I can read your wailling wall
They "stole" a thousand year old fairy tale?
>>153038789Language has power and should be respected. Stealing and twisting the meaning yook the ability yo give voice to a true social and emotional problem.Replacing it with the term bigot and using every other negative connotation to describe it as well as subtle attempts to tie ut with subconscious homosexuality has been a social poison that has run rampant and been protected from open discussion for too long >>153038815The reddit marketers called it "reddit spacing" on 4chan. Now people are scurred of formatting posts for readability. And aka thinking about that bot and propoganda pushing shill infested shithole
>>153029043Thief and the Cobbler is an art film, and she is trying to compare it with an animated corporte movie. Not saying story isn't important but context is important, you would't call some european film bad just because it doesn't fit the american model and so this movie shoudn't either.
>>153037771in their view, it's when someone does it in a way that's superficial and mocking, where as New Groove is superficial but it's so thin that it's not at all mocking
>>153029302I heard the playing card scene had to be done twice because Willias changed his mind after it was done.
>>153029752Bad plots. Like that beauty and the beast in virtual reality movie from last year sudenly having a entire different movie half wah through.
>>153030211That movie took like 10 years to make.
>>153030227Yoko Ono is my favorite singerhttps://youtu.be/pXgXviYAgPg?si=aU8azaxOMiUJn6iG
>>153034840funny how man NC clones and partners there were back in the day yet NC is probably the only one that's still going and is remembered
ellis ironically has a more nuanced take on williams' movie and overall body of work than most of /co/ (da animation pwetty!)
>>153039386I'm sure she's gonna see this bro.
>>153039455Nice cope
WHY WON'T SOMEONE UPLOAD HER NEBULA REVIEWS TO A MEGA OR CATBOX OR SOMETHING
>>153039515What for? They are propaganda, if you wanna get capture and hate yourself, well, I can't stop you.
>>153034641You've just described every David Attenborough documentary and those are the peak of kinography.
>>153039515If you really want to watch them just pay $10 once?
>>153039537Do you tards really not know the difference between a movie and a documentary?
>>153039386>da animation pwetty!Yes all the hundreds of people posting this movie have phrased it in this exact way you sure showed us anon wow.
>>153038962But what counts as mocking in this case? I'd understand if the work in question involves egregious racial caricatures, but I've seen downright milquetoast shit get claimed as such. I don't see how The Emperor's New Groove is much better than, say, the Tiki Room from Disneyland. It's all just Disney wearing the skins of cultures for profit at the end of the day.
>>153038559I read your wall and agree. You write like Kerouac.
>>153035464>parent cuts in a clip of their kids in a youtube videosurely no parent has ever done anything so outrageous as to put a clip of their kids doing something silly or cute in a youtube video! she has to be stopped!!
>>153039587You seem deeply upset over people not agreeing with you
>>153039036Anime fans don't like Belle. That was made to impress western critics. Also, that was 5 years ago.
>>153032884You sound upset.
>>153029032The nostalgia bitch
>>153030390can I have a reminder
>>153032282How can one be so lacking in joy that your takeaway from seeing true magic is to say "meh the plot wasn't that engaging"
>>153032757just cause you don't wanna stick your dick into the thief doesn't make it bad animation
>>153043962Tl;Dr - She once tweeted about this guy that was desperately try hooking up with her. She tried censoring the profile of who was dming her, but because she fucked up, people were quick to discover that it was Quinton that was simping in her dms. The fat faggot would go on to make a vague post om Twitter about how he was feeling down and continued crying in his members only discord.
>>153031664ThisIt's wonderful, sumptuous visuals, and I would recommend anyone try to watch it at least once. That said, it is chock full of segments that run on for way too long because Williams couldn't stop himself from obsessively trying to perfect the action.thr story suffers hard and barely manages to even qualify as bare bones, where characters just don't matter things happen for no reason and the end winds up being the longest masturbatory nothing burger in the history of animation.
>>153044226she's married?? isn't he in a long term relationship too? I actually remember a thread about that now lol never heard it anywhere else though
>>153044226>she fucked upOh come on, that was her wetbrain lashing out because she's salty that the only male attention she gets is from morbidly obese losers who see themselves in her.
>>153044310I would be fucking pissed too if I was her, the men who want in her pants are all gross and smelly looking, atp one could sew one's own vagina shut. She has a husband though I wonder what he looks like.
>>153033693>>153033773>When shes a hard 5.5For many perma-virgin guys like Moviebob a 5.5/10 or lower makes her even more attractive because it gives her this "m-maybe... maybe I could get her?" quality. Moviebob also got his picture taken with Anita Sarkeesian (pic-related) and was acting weird towards her on Twitter similar to Lindsay too.A 10/10 is too impossible so they gravitate towards the lower tiers.
>>153031074They always go back to politics. It's like heroin to them
I usually like her videos, but this one rubbed me the wrong way. It's obvious she let her Disney bias leak into this one, and she spent a loooot of time casually shitting on Richard Williams. I don't think she should've tried to touch this topic, especially since I don't think she treated it fairly. I understand Cobbler didn't have the best plot in the world, but it was always about the animation. I've seen the recobbled cut (and the official version). I'm always entranced by the animation, but Lindsey doesn't strike me as someone who necessarily appreciates animation as much as she just sucks Disney dick. As others said, she should've just made a video on Ashman like she clearly wanted to do, and in turn, leave Cobbler alone.
>>153029043You say that as if she didn’t also praise The Wall in the same video, another film with no "real plot" and was just experimental animation, but had a stronger reaction with audiences because the songs still told somewhat of a narrative, even if most of the film was just as weird as Thief and Cobbler. The problem with Thief is that it doesn’t have any thematic through line to keep audiences interested beyond pretty animation. Its an hour long Looney Tunes short without any of the memorable characters.
>>153034293No need to sign your post
>>153029853Whoa, that guy is an animal fucker? I thought he was just an autistic furry, when did he get outed for that?
Was this film too high IQ for Americans?
>>153046105Richard Williams didn't care about what anyone thought of Roger Rabbit, besides 1930s and 40s animators. His goal when making The Thief wasn't to make money, it was to make something that other animators and filmmakers would watch and think about what he was doing in every single scene or moment. I think you CAN get a casual audience to appreciate and notice that, but it's harder to do. I think a completed Thief could've been commercially successful in the 80s, but once you reach the mass appeal of the renaissance these weird projects don't really have a mainstream place.
>A Saudi prince was more thoughtful and generous to the arts than Hollywood executivesJustify this
>>153043552>be promised movie>look inside>its a documentaryYeah your right no one would be annoyed at this
>>153029032Did you know that Aladin was written by the French author Antoine Galland who took the life story of the Syrian Hanna Diyab and made it into a fable to fill his 1001 nighty anthology.https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/097500-000-A/aladdin-and-ali-baba/
