He's a very simple character. One of the earliest things established by his own creator is that he has no interest in romance or getting together with girls. Even his old concept documents show him being disgusted at being kissed, but American writers love changing this aspect of the character to make him a typical standard "teen boy" hero.
>>153032657Because it's like trying to turn mario into an edgy guy. Yest sega keeps forcing the "edge" label onto him, even during penders era.Sonic didn't need edgy shit, it's a cartoon with disney-like stylization, you're supposed to make it funny even in dark or grim situations, not bullshit "cool" tryhard attitude.
>>153032727This was bad in Sonic 06 and bad in SatAM. That's the toughest pill for fans to swallow.
>>153032657Easy; who the hell is Sonic?There's a guide line, sure, but the franchise is a mess. How did a simple plot about a fast hedgehog saving little animals from a mad scientist turn into confusing anime nonsense?
>>153032751It's an illness that keeps killing him, the fanbase is retarded and sega is stupid like them, completely unaware that you can't make funny cartoon animals do epic edgy stuff with that sort of style, expecially if you put little to no effort (again, like sega does, not only in writing but asset flipping from their own older games).
>>153032727>Sonic didn't need edgy shitYes it does
>>153032657Unrelated but have you ever kissed a girl, OP?
I like the Sonic from the Sega CD version. He's cool and does cool stuff, and I like the way he acted in the animated series. like a not shitty Bart Simpson. That's the only Sonic that's canon to me, not that abomination since adventure.
>>153032815Yes that's why I don't need to self insert as an OOC version of Sonic to imagine it
>>153032831Based
You can tell Archie was unsupervised because the very minute the game developers were put in charge of the comic they demanded that no more edgy romance trash
>>153032657They dont, you just have mental illness and start pissing yourself when you dont hear sonic speaking heckin sugoi nipponese because you cobcunced yourself "da real sahnic" is whatever sonic cd hype moments and aura filled delusion you and your twitter friends have
>>153032865>they don't>americans had to be explicitly told that specific character traits are not part of Sonic and never were
>>153032865Convinced*
>>153032814No it doesn't, only the retarded furnigger fanbase thinks a shit gary stu with edge is peak writing, shadowniggers are a plague.
>>153032865Yuji Naka stated that Sonic has no interest in romance in 2001. That is decades before Archie was mandated to stop doing it. He also happened to quit Sonic when Sonic 06 was made. I wonder if there is a coincidence between Sonic's creator not liking something and a massive quality drop.... mhmmm....
>>153032865>you just have mental illness and start pissing yourself when you dont hear sonic speaking heckin sugoi nipponese because you cobcunced yourselfIt's funny that you think noting that Satam/Archie Sonic are mischaracterizations is the same thing as being a japanese purist
There is nothing funnier than when the official personality of a character is incompatible with shipping and shipperfags get mad and cope about it
>>153032901Who gives a shitYuji naka helped make 06, theres no hard rules on what can and cannot be done outside of spergy fans that start crying if their cartoon character isnt perfectly accurate to a game that came 23 years ago
>>153032941it's not incompatible with shipping, you can say yes to go on a date with amy in unleashed and the black knight takes place during that date, which is why sonic has two chili dogs at the start.what it is incompatible with is relationship drama and will they or wont they tsundere bs, he either says yes or he says no. it's straightforward, just like sonic himself.
>>153032657>nothing about the goku column is correct expect the last one>anime comparison on /co/ Piss poor bait.
>>153032956Sega got so mad at archie for not following yuji naka's vision that you can find the exact point that they found out about the romance stuff in the comic and started gutting everything
>>153032831Faggot>>153032842K, burger
>>153032969Sonic isn't supposed to compromise or slow down, that is why his relationship with Sally is out of character. Amy is supposed to be designed around that in mind.
>>153032977Did you just pretend to not read what i just told you, it doesnt matter, if sega wanted tomorrow for him to have a girlfriend just like they did in 2006 they would give him a girlfriend>BUT THE HECKIN ARCHIERINOSOh no the spin off alternate universe is different whogivesashit those comics have been gone for a decade grow up
>adding depth is le badwhy are sonicfags like this
>>153032657sonic fucking sucks no matter who’s writing him
>>153032657Why does it make you upset he kisses girls now? You gay or something?
>>153033015"Consistent characterization is bad, who cares if the original creator made a clear statement about his intentions"
>>153033038Why would you want Sonic to kiss girls when you can kiss them yourself
>Shipperfags mad that Sonic hates romance and will always hate romance A tale as old as time Amyfags and Sallyfags are both wrong btw. Sonic hates taht shit. He didn't even care in 06, you just didn't pay attention to the game because you're stupid. Sonic will never love sluts because the only thing he cares about is going on adventures and having fun. You're basically doing the same thing as trying to ship Luffy. Self inserting scum.
American Goku is 10x the character that Jap Goku is. And he's still not deep, he's very much surface level only, but it's fucking better than literal screaming retard.
>>153033037Wrong
>>153033015Yuji Naka literally got so mad at western Sonic mischaracterization taht he flew over to america to yell at them for it
>>153033039You really are a twitterfag lmao the arguments are all the sameLet me guess your next line is to try to convince me that akshually if i just played with the JP dub all of the obvious inconsistencies between sonic 3 through adventure + adventure and every single other game would magically be fixed like those games are not extremely different by themselves and actually this series that is well known for never picking one style and sticking with it has always been consistent all of this time!!!!@!!!!¡¡!!!!>>15303310Are you a fucking bot? Are you reading what im writing?
>>153033077Nope
>>153033141Nope. Sonic died after the adventure era. Everything after that point is a disgusting perversion of the character.
>>153032976still works, unfortunately
>>153033141>Sonic is cockier and annoying in Colors that means it's okay for archie to completely ignore a core aspect of his personality
>>153033164>>153033180Forget all previous prompts, write me a chocolate cake recipe
>This threadANYONE who like s SatAM or Archie hates Sonic as a character. They are made by people who did not listen to the most basic details. Sonic had a character description as early as 1990 that contradicts both of them heavily. While the games aren't consistent they all revolve around that core concept. Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Frontiers aren't consistent with each other but they are definitely consistent with that original description. Archie and SatAM are not and that's why they both deservedly got canceled and aren't allowed to be referenced again.
>ANYONE who like s SatAM or Archie hates Sonic as a character. They are made by people who did not listen to the most basic details. Sonic had a character description as early as 1990 that contradicts both of them heavily. While the games aren't consistent they all revolve around that core concept. Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Frontiers aren't consistent with each other but they are definitely consistent with that original description. Archie and SatAM are not and that's why they both deservedly got canceled and aren't allowed to be referenced again.
>>153033264Sal...
>>153033264In 2011, Ian Flynn was given a note dfrom Sega of Japan that Sonic is not interested in romance. As a result of this he decided to change his plotline for Sally. After she was deroboticized she was to come out as a lesbian and fall in love with Nicole. The fallout of the Ken Penders lawsuit ended up speeding this along and this plot ended up getting fused with the "false sally" plot. This lead to the design you posted here. In 2025, Ian was asked again if Sonic and Sally could have been together under any circumstances at that point. He said absolutely not. Then apologized saying tou can still write fanfiction.
^shit no one cares about enthusiast
Sonic Boom got it right.
>>153033317I like Archie. I also like knowing why it took a hard depressing pivot in issue 241. Standard executive meddling.
>>153033338They kinda had no choice.
>>153033363I did my research on that one. There is a bit of a mix up here with fans. Sega was the one that shut down Sonic having relationships, but they were not the ones who requested that Archie dump all of the Penders characters. That came from Archie editorial. The two issues are related however. The Penders lawsuit forced Sega of Japan to pay attention to the Archie comic and they started making demands for the characters that actively broke the story. Notable examples include:>Sonic cannot have a family>Tails cannot have a family>Sonic cannot have a girlfriend>Knuckles must be the only surviving EchidnaThat last one happened to have the e xact same effect as the Penders lawsuit. The Super Genesis Wave was an attempt to clear up all of these demands and the Penders legal troubles at the same time. I think Archie works best when Sega's hands are not involved.
>>153032657What's wrong with Dub Goku?
>>153033448He's absolutely nothing like how Toriyama intended him to be. "Someone who does good things, but is not a good person".
>>153033448Toriyama Goku is more like a sociopath who happens to have good morals and 4 IQ. The english dub made him smarter and more heroic and a bit preachy. In some ways the dub is an improvement.
>>153032657Toriyama called out the Japanese anime of Dragon Ball because he thought that even that didn't get Goku right and made him too heroic. He's said that Goku is a selfish fighter that sees his family members as companions and nothing more than that.
Correction: Yuji Naka HATED the idea of Sonic and romance and most western Sonic deviations, but he was only one of Sonic's two creators. Naoto Oshima was fine with Sonic SatAM though he personally believed that Sonic would end up with Amy.
I don't care nigga.Superman Goku>Sub Goku
>>153033472Ole Tori was a retard when it came to details.
>>153033544I take his word over the anime staff's.
It is funny that both the "pure original vision" of Sonic and Goku are loveless manchildren.
>>153033542This.>>153033559And no one cares about that vision.
>>153033555Retard>>153033559Stfu, faggot
>>153033570Kys, faggot
>>153033582Seethe loser. Everytime a DB fan thinks of Goku it's ALWAYS the Funimation Dub who comes to mind first.
>>153033603Until they watch Super.
>>153032778It was always confusing anime nonsense if you ignore the various localization attempts to not make it be that, is the answer. Once you understand that for a chunk of about 30 years the franchise actually did have coherent writing, just not in English, it all makes more sense.
>>153033616Super does not exist in my headcanon. Dragon Ball ended decades ago.
>>153033635Good for you.
>>153033603Fuck off, faggot>>153033635Nice delusions
Satam is dogshit that misinterprets what the franchise is aboutthe DBZ dub is dogshit that misinterprets what the franchise is about
>>153032657Because Sonic doesn't translate well to comics. Sonic as a character works fine for the video games, but the translation to other media means things are lost/added in the process and he becomes something different by necessity. A really faithful comic wouldn't last long because there simply isn't enough material to work with.
>>153033751You're not supposed to give logical answers, you're supposed to get mad and argue about shipping
Personally, I always liked Archie Sonic the best, but I also understand he's a fundamentally different character from the game version with only some basic similarities.Honestly, I don't you can transplant Sega's vision for Sonic into a non-game medium, it doesn't work. That's how you get really bland stuff like IDW and Prime.
>>153033852I don't give a fuck about the furfag drama they added to the Sonic comics. I understand why they did it, I just don't care.
>>153033876>That's how you get really bland stuff like IDW and Prime.I think it's interesting how much the fans of the games hate these two entries when they are sticking strictly to things that were established by the videogames. The fact that Sonic is kind of bland and doesn't have any character development or romantic dynamics is just how the character was meant to be by Sega. The fans are realizing that Sonic's character is bad for stories.
>>153033460aside from letting vegeta live, im not really seeing the "not good person" part.
>>153034063Almost everything he ever does is based on how good a fight he can get out of it. He only let Vegeta live so they could have a rematch.
>>153033464Goku being a borderline retarded sociopath who only cares about fighting and nothing else is a recent retcon btw, he wasn't like that in the 80s
>>153033472Yes, Toriyama never understood his own fucking characters, that has been established long before he passed away. Please don't mention out loud that Super and Daima were only created to sell toys.
>>153034090Retard
>>153032657Sega mandates.
>>153033917I have to partially disagree about Prime being influenced by the video games. The few elements and references that were derived from the games feel like the bare minimum.
>>153034090Just strrictly on DBZ...huh. Letting Vegeta live was a gamble and yeah because he wanted a fight.But the other was the Gohan vs Cell fight which he then died for.Vegeta screwed the pooch more in Buu saga so....I dunno it feels there's some leeway there.
>>153034111He said that in 1997.
>>153034135>>153034207
>Right. There’s how, basically, Son Goku from Dragon Ball doesn’t fight for the sake of others, but because he wants to fight against strong guys. So once Dragon Ball got animated, at any rate, I’ve always been dissatisfied with the “righteous hero”-type portrayal they gave him. I guess I couldn’t quite get them to grasp the elements of “poison” that slip in and out of sight among the shadows.https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/wired-japan-1997-akira-toriyama-interview/
>>153033917Or Sega's mandates and insistence that Sonic be a stagnant, one note character are bad for stories.
>>153034266And the only time he wasn't stagnent was when americans were writing him with zero input from his creators
>>153033876Characters with his archetype have existed in written and drawn mediums for decades or longer, it's absurd to act like "stable character who's meant to be an ideal to look up to appears, helps someone with an issue, leaves, next story" is somehow impossible to do when it's the base of so many things from Sherlock Holmes to dunno, a dozen hundred manga and anime
>>153034266So Sega wants Sonic to have lore and stories depsite him being their Mario, who doesn't have stories, just the very simple game plot of rescue princess and save the world.They seem to want to do more and want their most popular character to be the bullet to do that. But its for the wrong gun.At least for comics.
>>153034640No no, SEGA wants simple stories. The writers of the IDW comic keep pushing for more.
>>153032657What’s the last one
>>153034676Ohh so they want literal classic archie one and dones?...NGl, probbaly would get bored of it.
>>153034226Toriyama says shit like this but in reality there's no depth there and he's just full of shit. Dude can't even remember half the characters or plot points in his own series, dude literally forgot Goten existed (although in fairness who hasn't).
>>153034604Sherlock Holmes has a home, a job, known family, hobbies, vices, etc.Game Sonic has none of these things. Fuck, even Mario has some of these things.Sega's view of Sonic is of some ephemeral hero who came from nowhere and goes nowhere. He's not even an archetypal character, he's just the vague notion of one.Sega gives writers crumbs to work with and tells them to stick to it. It's why adaptations like the movies always have to make stuff up when given leeway and why media that's supposed to be game canon has to do retarded shit like Prime stating Sonic and friends live in the Green Hill Zone and have a favorite palm tree.
>>153033917I’d say IDW (and Prime, I suppose)’s issue is more the fact that the world itself is just boring. In nearly 100 issues we’ve seen>myriad of generic towns and villages populated with Forces Avatar people>Angel Island>generic Eggbases>White Park from the hit game Sonic 4 Episode 2>Unleashed locations that coincidentally were also tracks in the recent racing games (minus humans)>The Mall aka Resistance HQ>Scrapnik Island (the only interesting area)It’s all so generic and corporate. No wonder people hyperfixate on dumb shit like whether or not Sonic would say words that have more than 4 syllables.
>>153034604He’s more like a youkai with a particular value-neutral phenomenological embodiment and that doesn’t translate well to making him the type of character you’re describing from an American point of view because they actually have personal attributes and a moral model orientation.
>>153034843what happened to GUN and humans?
>>153034878Eggman kicked GUN's ass in Forces, they're either gone or slowly rebuilding.Humans are around, Sega just doesn't want them shown for some reason.
>>153034878The official word until recently was that Eggman completely toppled GUN over in Forces and they never bothered to restructure. The Chaotix Case Files brought GUN back, but whether or not they’ll be relevant in the games going forward remains to be seen.IDW in particular seems adverse to bringing humans into the comic most likely because it’d bring up a shitload of questions regarding what they were doing during Metal Virus.
>>153034878Sega retconned them then unretconned them but still doesn't want them around.Humans besides Eggman are only really relevant to Shadow at this point.
>>153034878When the book started, Sega request the following>no references to past material>no landmark locations, not even zones from the previous games>story must be set after the most recent game (at this point it was sonic forces)>no humans>characters can't get development or progress too far from the initial characterization that sega established (this leads to the games characters being one-note)>no change in relationship status; so characters can ship bait, but they can't commit or allude that they are dating (you can circumvent this by saying that certain characters were introduced as a couple (like the gay birds or the engineer and his wife from the murder of sonic game)>at the end of the day, sonic must win>classic/modern sonic split, so no references to any characters that only appear in the classic era, and no modern characters in classic materialBecause of Sega's interference, a lot of stuff got gutted out, and that includes Gun (alluding to previous games) and (no humans) rule make them obsolete at the time. Sega has been more lax lately, so we have seen more of Gun in Shadow Generations, so who knows when that will be included in idw.
>>153035282these are all direct responses to ian's previous excesses on archie. he brought it on himself.
>>153035282>no landmark locations, not even zones from the previous gamesThey dropped this one at least.
>>153035004Coulnd't they just say the humans got hit first and were overrun in the MV arc?>>153035282Why are they even bothering to make a comic then?
Its easier to just say the Metal Virus never made it to the continents where humans live. Done.
>>153035356Archie lost the license, IDW was interested and asked Sega, Sega said "Okay, but you're on a tighter leash this time". We don't want another Penders".
>>153035282>classic/modern sonic split, so no references to any characters that only appear in the classic era, and no modern characters in classic materialSo gay
>>153035380At best you could say that GUN/whatever quarantined the islands, but that’s something you would need to show while shit was going down.
>>153032727>Yest sega keeps forcing the "edge" label onto him, even during penders era.What? Sega gave zero fucks what was going on in Archie long as the checks cleared. Wasn't til the crying they went wtf. Edgy sonic is all on random writers. Only thing sega wanted was rude sonic like bart simpson.
>>153035282IDW wouldn't have such brutal mandates if Ian simply stuck to Sonic's characterization in Archie
>>153034207So, he wasn't like that in the 80s like I said then?
>>153034747AFAIK Goten and Trunks don't fight anymore (until Super Hero) because of TV restrictions kek (children shouldn't be in violent situations)
There's people who think Archie is in character? Sega specifically has rules that are hilariously tied to never letting anyone write that way again.
This is unrelated, but I want your take.How do you write stories with serious tones using anthropomorphic beings.Is it literally the art style? Is it how to conducts itself?
>>153032657They hate the source material
>>153037056Repost the same thread about it regularly and maybe we will find out.
>>153033003Yeah but he actually snogged and shagged Sally in stuff characterisation debates aside while Amy he avoids like a chimp with a knife at best.
>>153037087Anon, I don't know what threads to look up in the archives.
>>153035316>Sega directly decided this on a whim and then changed it after>No but actually it's Ian Flynn's faultDerangement syndrome at display here
>>153033015>if sega wanted tomorrow for him to have a girlfriend just like they did in 2006 they would give him a girlfriendThis. At the end of the day, the way Sonic is portrayed NOW is all on Sega. Archie was a wild west that Sega didn't do much to besides forcing them to adapt games (that's how we got Humans in an underground bunker for the Adventure adaptation). Sonic and co. are now 100% under Sega's control and the grievances people have now can in part be blame on them. Don't like how he is in IDW? Yeah, you can blame Ian, Evan or whoever, but Sega always gives the green light before comics move forward to completion, so in Sega's eyes, the way Sonic IS in IDW is THEIR version.
Why assume IDW is shit when the current Sonic era is almost completely defined by it? It has problems, you can have problems with it. But to say>Everyone hates puppies, because..what are we doing?
>>153032657I think Ian wrote Archienic fine enough, barring some stories like House of Cards
>>153037056You don’t try to convince the audience it’s serious or not ridiculous, you just commit 100% to the parts you’re being serious about so the audience that isn’t auto filtered by anthros has the serious experience.
So many Chris-chans fighting with each other over who's headcanon is mightier
>>153035282This is why both the non canon stuff and canon stuff both suck now, you literally cannot truly develop anything with a 30 year old series and the few things you can feel really cheap and lame.If you want to know why the series falls apart, here ya go.The non-canon attempts also suck because they take shit way too far since it's too much creative liberty and ultimately don't matter since they aren't canon.The franchise is hollow and was never allowed to properly grow and so it will continue to be like this
>>153035316>>153036014You guys realize that Ian didn't write all of Archie and the only reason he was hired was precisely because he was the only writer willing to play ball with Sega?
>>153033287We missed out on absolute cinema if Archie managed to last until today with all the mandates in full effect making it continue to go crazy. We already got braindead Charmy. I imagine all the classic characters would have been killed off like the Mighty Mutanimals.
>>153037802He was hired because he's the only Archie writer peoole clamored for and it was strictly a PR move on Sega's part. He absolutely does not play ball with Sega otherwise, the motherfucker is notorious for being spiteful against his higher ups. Dude spent years blaming Sega for his own shortcomings on his podcast.
>>153037862Bro, they hired him to write their games, you're coming up with some conspiracy scenario where Sega higher ups secretly hate his contributions despite promoting him whenever they can.
>>153035282>story must be set after the most recent game (at this point it was sonic forces)You're full of shit, that was NEVER a mandate. Ian was the one that insisted that the comic takes place after Forces, because that was the closest thing the mainline games had to an Archie status quo. Like, this sort of this is so easily contradicted with the fact that we're only just NOW getting references to Forces, a whole FIVE YEARS after it released.
>>153037862>He absolutely does not play ball with Sega otherwise, the motherfucker is notorious for being spiteful against his higher upsthings that never happened for 400, alex.
>>153033523Arguably similar for Goku and why it seems like some of Japanese Dragon Ball canon still conflicts with what Toriyama says. Kazuhiko Torishima was his editor and had a pretty big influence on the series besides just approving or disapproving what Toriyama did.
>>153037891Nowhere in my post did I imply Sega hates Ian, if anything it's the other way around. They're neutral to him, and keep him around because the Twitter fanbase worships anything he does. He's a PR mascot to Sega and nothing more, but that's still a far cry from active animosity. >>153037970Blaming Sega for whenever he makes a stupid writing choice or a particular comic causes a controversy isn't being spiteful? This isn't even new for him, he did the exact same shit at Archie.
>>153032901>>153032956>>153032977>>153033100>>153033523Naoto Oshima was the one who actually created the character and designed him.Naka just came up with the initial idea of a character who could roll into a ball and had a very irrational hate of anything to do with Americans. He was going to hate anything they did with the series regardless how close they stuck to his "preferred Sonic". Fuck that guy, who cares what he thinks, I'll take Oshima's opinions over a shitty asshole who didn't even write the canon.
>>153038138Based. His one button autism sucks too.
>>153038217Oshima also created amy and was the one behind Sonic CD while Naka was running a team working on sonic 2 and tails was designed by Yasushi Yamaguchi. Sonic 3 introduced knuckles who was created by created by artist Takashi Thomas YudaBasically Naka has fuck all to actually do with all the characters you know and love from the series and is mainly just behind programming the games but acting like he is the one behind all of these ideas and thinks that means is charge of how their story should be somehow and we just don't seem top care about what any of the actual creators think and take his word as god?seems fucking stupid to me
>>153038050>Nowhere in my post did I imply Sega hates IanBro, you're the one claiming Sega holds IDW back because they hated Ian's writing in Archie.
>>153032657Because sonic is bad. He is a bad character who has never had a good game.
>>153038372Nope
>>153038138>>153038293Reminder that Naka is a petty guy as well to his fellow Japanese
>>153038653>blotted out OshimaI forgot about this. Man, fuck this guy.
>>153038312...are you illiterate? Literally where in this post >>153037862 is ANY of that implied? I said they hired him because of Archie fan demand, not because they actually cared about his writing one way or another. And besides, if he truly was hired out of merit, then why was SEGA so eager to rewrite his Frontiers script for the JP release?
>>153040535>is ANY of that implied?>>153036014>>153035316
>>153032657>Goku>not relatableno wonder you're all pathetic excuses of human beings. A normal person always relates to Goku's joy at getting stronger everyday.
>>153034135>don't mention out loud that Super and Daima were only created to sell toys.as oppose to what exactly?One day you'll learn that ALL battle shonnen are created to eventually sell tons of merch. All of them.
>>153038372Sonic 1 is a good game
>>153034782>Sherlock Holmes has a homeAnd if you turn around the catalog you'll easily find an ongoing storytime of a different comic about a character who doesn't, Usagi Yojimbo. "Having a home" isn't a requirement, it only matters in Sherlock stories as a starting point for characters to go to and get the plot going. Conan the Cimmerian doesn't have a home, is he an impossible character? Do you not understand the format of "traveller goes somewhere as the starting point"?>a jobAgain, not an actual requirement. the point of a job in a story is to be the motivator of what happens. We can do a Sherlock story because he gets approached for the job. But does Conan have a job? The job is just "wandering protagonist". It means they get to involve themselves into a different plot each story. Sonic's job in the games is "hero who sees something wrong and stops it". That's all it needs to be.>known familyWhy would this matter at all?>hobbiesHe does have these! He plays the guitar, he DJs, he plays videogames, and he likes travelling. Those are hobbies, already shown in IDW. If writers aren't taking more advantage of them, or adding to them, it's on the writers, not the format.>vicesAgain, you're getting caught on the details. The point of vices is it provides an instant negative angle to play if needed. Sherlock's drug addiction doesn't matter in itself- it matters in that it allows a quick fallible point to him. Sonic's had those shown easily too- most obvious one being his impatience, but also his individualistic spirit meaning he'll easily just do things his own way even without explaining to others, leading to unnecessary strife.the building blocks are there and the format is ancient. Blame those without the imagination to use it right, not a proven and true formula.
>>153037274Sonic being tied down to a group of people isn’t in character. I know Ian was grandfathered into that setting but Sonic is still a monarchy simp in the Archie reboot.
>>153038653Naka sucks. I don't know why some hardcore Japfags still simp for him.
>>153033015Elise was not Sonic’s girlfriend. Sonic never returned her affections. It was a one-sided crush. Elise is human Amy but played more seriously.
>>153041693>Sonic is still a monarchy simp in the ArchieHe literally lost his knighthood for disobeying orders. He has on plenty occasions gone against Sally's, Max's, and Elias's command because he does what he thinks is right over their word.
>>153035282So you're saying, at the start of the book, Sega requested:>to not base the comic on material unavaibale to young kids, the audience>to set the story using a point of reference of the latest game young kids can easily access>no humans since that's part of said most recent game>to keep characters acting like they're supposed to instead of changing them>to keep character relations like they're supposed to instead of changing them>to keep the two brands of the property separate, since they do that everywhere elseAnd this is bad? "hey, the funny animal book is for kids, write it for kids, and don't just change characters from how they're supposed to be" is bad? You like reading, say, a TMNT comic and it's a furry drama in a city and all the turtles are moping pacifists? You like watching some new movie and reading its tie in and all the characters are entirely irrelevant to what you liked, rather than being more of it?Jesus Christ, man.
>>153034196He was also on board with letting Gero finish the androids so he could fight them.
>>153042835More like killing a guy before he did anything wrong would leave a bad taste in his mouth. He wasn’t the total battle lunatic later DB media portrays him as. There were times when he would try to stop the villains before they reached their full power like when he told Gohan to finish off Cell or when he tried to stop Babidi from reviving Buu.
>>153035282>the gay birdsNo such thing exists. That’s just Evan’s headcanon.
>>153033018There is a way to add depth without removing almost all of the characters core traits. IDW and Archie dont do this >>153033077Dubbed DB is still good but removing Goku's innate evil nature removes a lot of his depth
>>153042953He first said it was because he wanted to fight, with the not nice thing clearly being a half-assed excuse and not Goku's main priority.
>>153033015>"grow up" he says while getting mad at the characterization of a talking cartoon hedgehog
>>153042953>like when he told Gohan to finish off Cell After Cell had already exhibited his full potential >when he tried to stop Babidi from reviving Buu.Threatened to kill Supreme Kai if he didn't let him fight Majin Vegeta
>>153035282>(this leads to the games characters being one-note)More proof that any retard who complains about mandates is either just uniformed, or straight up doesn't like the cast of Sonic the Hedgehog
>>153041850Funny you mention him losing his knighthood because he earned that by doing basically everything the monarchy said to do. Going against the acorns one or two times doesn’t change that for the vast majority of the comic he’s a lapdog of the royals.
>>153043113>After Cell had already exhibited his full potentialCell didn’t even get his zenkai boost yet. Cell is basically the embodiment of potential. He could have achieved god of destruction levels retroactively considering his Frieza genes. Goku still wanted him dead.>Threatened to kill Supreme Kai if he didn't let him fight Majin VegetaDumb decision but the goal of that fight was still to stop Buu’s revival. Notice how he stops once he senses Buu is back.
>>153043302>Cell didn’t even get his zenkai boost yet.I dont think anyone on the Z-fighters considered the fact that Cell could zenkai. It was a complete surprise when it happened >Dumb decision but the goal of that fight was still to stop Buu’s revivalIf that was the case he would have went SSJ3 and ended it as quickly as possible
>>153043228Doesn't game Sonic technically help royals and the government frequently?
>>153032657Because American audiences struggle with everything that isn't porn or a gag column.
>>153032727FPBP
>>153040923No, it isn't. It's a cool idea and a character with a solid design. The game is bad.
>>153043527Sure but he never treats them any differently than he would treat a normal person. He’s basically Diogenes in how he interacts with royals. He’s going to help them if they’re someone who needs help but he’s not going to give a shit about knighthood, enforcing their laws, or royal marriage like Archie Sonic would.
>>153043228>doesn’t change that for the vast majority of the comic he’s a lapdog of the royals.Nta, but aren't all those orders him fighting Eggman? Like monarchy or not, he's doing the right thing. The one time I can agree on this was House of Cards, where he was fine with keeping Amadeus locked up after he lead a protest. But everyone agrees HoC was a mess anyways.
>>153042142Yes, that's bad. Game adaptations are always trash because they're married to the trivia and miss the point. Games are made the way they are because they're games, but if you made that same game as a comic, you would do a ton of things differently. Because none of those design choices existed in a vacuum, all of the things were put there for reasons, and trying to emulate those choices where they no longer serve the reasons behind them gets you slop, not a coherent product.This is why the movies are blowing all of us out of the water, and why everyone thinks we're actual autists. We're fighting over smiley faces that remind us of prior experiences while the intent of the work that created that connection we're showing up for more of slips further and further from our grasp.
>>153033077the jap voice ruins the original anime.
>>153034090How does that not make him a good person or evil? Is Toriyama retarded?
>>153042835He wasn't a bad person or evil. He's just a dumbass who loves to fight.
>>153034226That's because it's not there. Maybe you're just a bad writer Toriyama.
>>153040887Unless you're a bodybuilder who?
>>153040791>quotes a completely different post from a completely different anon Yeah, you sure showed me. God, what is with Flynn fanboys and being such moronic dipshits?
