>The format that's too fucking big to read comfortably >Has people buy to put on their shelves and never actually read>Cost way too damn much>Enforces glossy paper which looks like shit for pre-digital colored comics >A book gets released in an omnibus but never any other format so if you want it but don't want an omnibus, you're fucked>Gets damaged more easy>Annoying community around themWhy do people shill this shit? I rather have normal sized tpbs or hardcovers with like enough issues it's readable with non-glossy paper.
>>153034873im sorry that happened. or congratulations
>>153034873Is this a hour long video shilling omnibuses?
>>153035019Pretty much.
>>153034873Writing for the trade effectively ruined the single issue comic.
>>153035063Trades are necessary evil, I personally think they should just drop single issues all together and just do volumes kinda like Earth One but bit longer and come out quicker and just have single issues for the random one shot here and there.
>>153035063The problem is that is bad habits always take over. These publishers will take the easiest route as soon as it presents itself. I prefer continuous narratives over single-issue stories, but for comics that means multiple issues of fluff instead of a well-constructed multi-issue story.
>>153035001>nine (9) sentences is too much for anonyou have never seen a wall of text
I wish series trades like compact comics, masterworks (RIP), Premiers, Finests, etc didn't have such like ugly like dressings, I know they want them to match but they could've design it better maybe just a small logo and a normal ass cover, only cover style I like in a series of collection are the old DC archives (RIP), Masterworks is ok but always found it kinda ugly, DC showcase would be good if they weren't recolored covers and Marvel Essentials are super inconsistent.
>>153035133I liked Earth One when it was coming out it's kinda dead/dormant right now.>>153035149Remember when TV shows had 22 episode seasons? I miss that we needed those buffer/breather episodes for are characters to have a organic growth. Now with trades everything feels rationed to the point that I'm just following breadcrumbs.
I only own one omnibus, it's Superman and Batman Generations, I only got it because it was 20 bucks.
>Guy who sells comics on a website is a newfag who started reading as an adult in 2020.
Maybe it's because my first comic was Batman Returns as a kid but I always loved the prestige format used in the late 80's/90's not the modern versions which more like graphic album format like Black Label shit, there's something nice about a comic with a cardboard cover and a matted paper.
>>153034873jesus fucking christ, you're a crybaby
>>153035506Shill.
>>153035516Stop shilling normal sized tpbs.
>>153034873Comic really did lose something when they switched over to that porno slick paper. It was oddly fitting too when Marvel stopped being about heroism and just became a den of iniquity.
>>153035546What's wrong with reading comics in the size they're made in? if it's bigger than the original issues, it's kinda overkill unless it's an artist edition.
>>153035561My favorite paper is baxter paper from the late 80's and the newsprint they were using in the mid 90's, the colors really popped, it wasn't as shitty as the older stuff but wasn't as fancy.
>>153035603Omnibus pages are not bigger than the original issues.
>>153035669?
>>153034873>The format that's too fucking big to read comfortablyOmnibus as a term varies between publishers. OP is a faggot and only looking at the Marvel/DC definition of overstuffed and oversized. There are many smaller paperbacn offerings from other publishers.>Has people buy to put on their shelves and never actually read Hate to break it to you faggot, that's literally all publishing today. That's not an omnibus thing.>Cost way too damn muchAlso just a publishing thing. Hardbacks have a profit margin multiple times higher than paperbacks purely because they're a "prestige" version. It's all print, not comics. >Enforces glossy paper which looks like shit for pre-digital colored comicsIt has nothing to do with glossy paper you tourist faggot. Look at DC's printing of the Warlord omnibus. Paper choice is made either for art reproduction (gloss does that better for modern art depending on how the art was restored - for Warlord the paper was to help the art), or cost cutting (Marvel only uses gloss paper because it's cheaper to bulk order and use the same stock across all their books). Having different paper stocks rarely saves money in comics due to the lower print runs. Many paperstocks, despite being lower quality, aren't cheaper because of order sizes, and the fact that nobody else would order that stock (like newsprint, it's not used because it's not fiscally reasonable compared to gloss) >Gets damaged more easyDefine damage. I doubt you can. Do you mean sagging text blocks? Do you mean shitty dustcovers compared to printed covers? You literally don't read actual books, do you? I'm willing to be your hands are as clumsy as your mouth and you treat your things like shit, you mush-mouthed bitch. >CommunityCommunity. It's a book, faggot. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to find shit to read. If you go online to make book friends, the picture books aren't your problem. I'd rather eat shit than be in "community" with retards like you.
>>153035772Damn hoe mad because he knows he's wasting money on these giant books.
>>153034873If you look at the post-COVID era of Bookscan charts back when Hibbs was analyzing them, Marvel barely got any books in the Top 750 yet was still high in dollars. It's highly likely Marvel wants to push the omnibus editions because they make the most quick money in the bookstore market
>>153034873Because they're mindless consoomerist collectors. Fuck /co/ and fuck that brown faggot Omar that they worship.
>>153034873>>153035772>A book gets released in an omnibus but never any other format so if you want it but don't want an omnibus, you're fuckedTo justify printing a book requires either high print runs, or high margins. Books that exclusively get the HC/Omni treatment mean they have relatively low demand (even by comic standards). As discussed above with Hardcovers, that means publishers have chosen margins. Even "bigger" names have low print runs. A Moon Knight omnibus gets a print run of around 3,000.That's miniscule, but the margins of an omnibus make it justifiable, especially if it's fluffed up with later material that isn't salable. They're being printed as omnis because it's the only way to make it profitable.OP, you're a sub-human, retarded faggot who doesn't understand publishing. You should kill yourself rather than waste people's times with your irrelevant, uninformed, moronic opinions.You're a fucking embarassment.
>>153035772>Paper choice is made either for art reproduction won't it be better if the collected editions were just direct high quality scans of the newsprint pages on better paper like the Library editions instead of reprocessing the colors?
>>153035815I mainly primarily buy deluxe HC from image and smaller publishers. I prefer them thinner because I think they age better. My investment comes from my work in publishing. I'm annoyed that you retards shit up my field. KYS, you daft cunt.
>>153035801As opposed to buying the same comic in 4 paperbacks for more money.
>>153035893>you retards shit up my fieldTook the words right out of my mouth, you stupid worthless cunt.
>>153035848Some publishers do that, like Titan (I recommend their reprints of Michael Moorcock's Elric as a good way to see it - also a great book in its own right). It's my personal preference. The "problem" is that it also reproduces blemishes (like original printing errors, like colour bleeding out the edges), and it scales up poorly, so over-sized editions would be off the table, only same-size or smaller editions for sale (something Marvel/DC wouldn't want to give up).They could be manually cleaned up later, but that's an extreme cost that nearly nobody is willing to invest in (rare exceptions can be seen in the Taschen prints of early Marvel work, which also look amazing, but are very unwieldy to read), and is rarely cost effective.
>>153035939You can find trades cheap easy if you buy them used and dig around, the used comic market is pretty cheap even more so in the local shops like the ones that aren't really comic shops.
Trades and omnibus tourists ruined comics.The whole point of the monthly comic medium is that readers get something that feels like a complete story in one issue. You go back and read comics before 2010 and each issue feels memorable because of the pacing and structure of writing for the single issue.Since trades and omnibus tourists started infecting the medium you immediately start to notice a slee of comics with dogshit pacing and issues that blend in together due to so little happening because they're writing for the trade.
>>153035956> (like original printing errors, like colour bleeding out the edges), and it scales up poorly, so over-sized editions would be off the table, only same-size or smaller editions for sale (something Marvel/DC wouldn't want to give up).I rather they just put the comics out as is in the original sized scanned from the original issues honestly, I don't care about all that fancy shit.
>>153035966In OPs scenario the comic only exists in omnibus format.
>>153035982>You go back and read comics before 2010 and each issue feels memorable because of the pacing and structure of writing for the single issue.lmao, who you trying to bullshit?
>>153034873>>Enforces glossy paper which looks like shit for pre-digital colored comicsYou should see the Warlord omnibus. It uses a kind of matte paper that makes it very light and is closer to the original colors. It's terrific.
>>153036018Ok, tourist. You don't read comics.
>>153035941I was calling this creature retarded >>153035801 by mentioning my taste and working in publishing. I'll take your cunt call, and agree with not being interested in watching someone shill for 12 minutes over a two-sentence advertisement.
I think anyone who got into comics as an adult is a tourist.
>>153036049>Working in publishingAre you the reason a lot of modern books are shit?
>>153035982It goes further than that, Quesada was the one who started that "write it for the trade" BS. 2000's comics are essentially proto-MCU.
>>153036050Smoking crack would be a better use of one's time than ever getting into comics now.
>>153035990I agree, it's my preference (one again, check out some of Titan's reprints). What's worse, is that scanning the old books like that is actually incredibly cheap, affordable, and fast. That's not even mentioning the color accuracy. Sadly, the big players don't do it because then they can't cheaply offer stuff like Omnibus and other over-sized editions, and that's where the larger margins are.To acknowledge the option in smaller print editions (alongside what they already do for larger editions, a very affordable process) would bring in other problems, like normies complaining of poor quality, and have knowledgeable customers insulting the quality of oversized editions. Even giving the option, something they'd be capable of, would be seen as poor business.
Idk. Having a story arc all in one book or omnibus is pretty convenient.Also why the fuck can't these comic book publishers just do what Hasbro does with transformers and refresh the continuity every few years?
>>153035133Nah, they should more return to magazine format with the main heroes and 3-4 secondary heroes that rotate
>>153036122Stop shilling crack anon.
That's nothing, try buying the expensive Sunday newspaper collections which are twice the size of a fucking wizard's tome and weighs as much as a bowling ball.
>Wants to own The Question>TPBs out of print and also barely collect anything>Only way to get it is the omni>Goes out of print fast and overprice nowThey could've done like 4 simple trades, man.
>>153036264Damn, what happened to the cheap almost throwaway books they use to have for them?
>>153036183And have only one continuity anyone remembers and cares about?
>>153036266>want Shade The Changing Man>never been fully collected>finally gets collected in two huge omnibusesFuck this format, man... why couldn't we get compendiums...
>>153036324>He acts like no one cares about Prime, the bayverse, or animatedYou also seem to not realize that people are more familiar with movie incarnations of superheroes than their comic counterparts
>>153036704Just set the comics in the movie continuity then and reboot them when theres new movies.
>>153036704Why should I care about Transformers the story ended with Beast Machines, Plus if I'm feeling the itch I'll watch RiD & Armada.
>>153036043I think his problem is with the year. It's strange to say 2010 is the cutoff for good pacing and structure in comics considering decompression was well in existence by that time.
>>153035279A lot of modern media follows the Surf Dracula formula.
>>153037007It's worse than that it feels like we're stuck in reruns, Every comic has to have a obligatory food & trauma dumping scene.
>>153036878Just because you don't care doesn't mean other people don't care about those transformers series.
>>153034873The only omnibus-like books I have are the leatherbound Absolute Sandman volumes from fifteen years ago. They are a handful but I really like the art on that series a lot. Currently into DC Finest volumes and I appreciate the more compact size. Honestly OP has a point, despite being such a cunt about it; if you are interested in reading the fucking things then paperbacks are the way to go. Btw, will be picking up the Dark Patterns trade that released today
>>153035389This
>>153036062I think OP upset the Marvel employees, that's why he got some angry responses in this thread
>>153036511How are the colors?
>>153036888>>153035982The transition to multi-part stories (not just B-plots or two-parts) occurred far sooner than the 2010s. You'd easily see stuff like that in the 90s, particularly with heavy hitters like Spider-Man and X-Men where you'd expect weekly readership.Even then, writing for the trade and heavy decompression were the norm in the early 2000s. Ultimate Spider-Man, a poster child for this shit, started in 2000.2010 is so late in that transition it's absurd. At best, you could say that's when premium collected editions (rather than basic trades) started to slowly grow into a primary revenue source.
>>153035323>That is how your 25 year old zoomer looks likemasaka!
>>153034873Fuck omnis
