I guess Kal is going to have to wait for that horn cap

>>153041243
she looking cute with that hair piece

>>153041496
These people don't have running water, one can only imagine how greasy that hair is

>>153041243
I am incredibly curious as to how the enclave is going to house these two huge goofballs

>>153041243
Elim is going to be hitting his anime training arc while Kass is playing ambASSador.

>>153042728
I mean, I doubt there are many yinglet diplomatic incidents that can't be resolved by a female flashing their ass.

>>153042728
Honestly kass will probably be hitting the scav equivalent to the gym while he has ghe chance too

I thought that lamp was a UFO at first. Why is there a lamp burning in an open window in the middle of the day anyway?

>>153041557
Of course they have running water in a palace. Whenever someone important declares that they're going to take a bath, servants come running with water.

>>153043293
We could learn a thing or two from yinglets. Human diplomacy is severely lacking in T&A.

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>>153041557
Just need a pitcher and a basin.

>>153044596
keeps the bugs away

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>kass as a human man is completely disposable and worthless
>conscripted, on the run for most of his life
>we never see or hear of his family
>probably all dead or he can never go home
>lost everything because born with a dick at the wrong place at the wrong time

>struggles to gain recognition as guardsman
>really wants that officers badge but stuck in his career running caravans

>gets some rat-princess juice in his eyes
>instantly valuable
>promoted to officer and diplomat just like that

>yinglets worship their females
>females are more or less born into royalty
>while males live on the fringe of society as scavengers and criminals
>only the top 1% males are kept by the matriarchs as breeding stock

>males don't even get to have the fancy hair on their tail like most sexually dimorphic species where the males have to perform to be chosen
>they all turn prison gay out of deprivation

>poor lopin just trying to sell his swamp filth (I noticed there's a fresh clam in his sack, very valuable to yinglets no? he's so destitute he has to sell it rather than eat it.)
>through no fault of his own gets dragged in some shitty conspiracy run by the yinglet royals
>almost gets executed for no reason
>lives and dies by the whims of vizlet and kass (females)

>bottoms, dresses up and paints his eyes because performing femininity is the only way he can feel like he matters

this shit is the most violently misandrist bullshit I have ever read in my entire life.
Ever.

it genuinly broke my heart, I have not been able to sleep or eat for a week straight thinking about how fucked up it is.

and it dresses it all up in the veneer of progessive dialogue, ambigiously ethnic multi-racial melting pot, ivenmoth welfare state, pronouns

here, I drew a picture of best boy to try and soothe my heart. this guy is the ultimate victim of a fucked up system that hates him for being born wrong. I hope kass lightens up on him and treats him more like a friend soon. he deserves it.

also how do you even say lopin? is it more like Lo-Pine, Lo-Pen or Lo-Pang?

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>>153045878
Lopin like elopin'

>>153045769
I mean...I think the comic is criticizing misandry & male disposability rather than celebrating it, no?
I mean in the comic itself there's a page where Kass reflects on how little value he had as a human man & how he had to turn into a scav bitch just to get any respect or prestige (if I'm not remembering it wrong)

Men have historical been seen as disposable & worthless irl unless they're high status chads so at the very least the comic's merely reflecting reality.

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>>153046102
It honestly just seems entirely accidental
>oh I need a tragic backstory for my hero, so there was a war or something.
>I need to come up with some weird fantasy species
>they should have some serious dimorphism to make them stranger
>oh and that means they must have a society kinda like this I guess.
I don't feel like there's more thought put into it than that. the rest of it reads like completely unironic leftist diversity slop where everyone is special.

Oh and, it feels like the yinglet's natural social structure is probably something like a hyena pack, with a few alpha females surrounded by males of varying status. It would explain why the females are decorated with the hair tuft, she's the one that has to attract a pack of males to be succesful.

In that natural family-pack structure most males would be valued as members of the family, rather than be outcasts.

The enclaves are an entirely unnatural accumulation of wealth and power that leaves most males superfluous, disposable and destitute. We read about the great conqueror in one of the field guides, some kind of genghis khan like figure who conquered everything and made the enclaves.

The family-pack is the only dignified way for yinglet males to live. The Enclave Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the yinglet race.

>>153045769
>this shit is the most violently misandrist bullshit I have ever read in my entire life.
Not it isn't because it's not misandirst at all. Your brain is fired.

>>153046301
kill youself now

>>153041243
I hate this comic

I think it's just an extended plot device to cause Kass maximum psychological stress. You could certainly read a lot of darkness into that though.

>>153046367
kass isn't even the victim, not really. if he got over his (very understandable) dysmorphia he'd realized his life has only improved. lopin is the real victim, he's just some random nobody whose only value is that kass lets him live, because as a female he just gets to have that power.

>>153045769
Well yeah this comic is a slavic-rodent-furry and scalie affair, centered around the physical and sexual abuse of trembling little found family victims. It can only go a couple of ways, look at Fennah or anyone else, the only purpose of a eastern-european rodent OC is to be raped or abused to a point of dark-sided quirkiness.

>>153046367
>>153046392
The only real point is we all have a good pity for these least-human-as-possible neurotic cases

>>153046309
I am not the one with the cooked brain.

>153046480
die

>>153046484
Anon, you have brain problem. Seriously, this isn't an healthy reaction.

>>153045769
>this shit is the most violently misandrist bullshit I have ever read in my entire life.
>Ever.
Anon, you realise the his change of social status has nothign to do with his gender but him becoming a Yinglet, right?

Had Kass just turned into a female human being, his situation and social level would actually be much worse than when he was a guy and any social progress in this fictional setting would be impaired by his new appearance, not improved.

Seem to me like you are a hammer-in-hand kind of guy when it comes to media analysis, except you hammer here is a "does the writer hate men" and you can't help but see everything as "yes, they all hate men"-nails you want to hit them on, if what I am saying make sense.

Maybe lose this mindset and realise that not everything is always about hating men.

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the TG-TF stuff doesn't make it much better.
kass never shows any desire to be anything other than himself again, but the comic keeps making it out like there's some kind of ambiguity about his gender identity when there isn't. it almost feels like grooming.

the fujo glasses matriarch keeps putting him through forced feminization humiliations, but since he doesn't want to be anything but male these are just violations. plain and simple. she never really apologizes for it either, and I'm sure the upcoming chapter will have her humiliate him even more.

the private meeting where she tries to get him to cry it all out is really frustrating, on one hand kass sticks to his guns and refuses to play along, on the other hand it's treated almost like toxic masculinity or something, when it's just the only way he has learned to deal with his trauma.
vizlet is a pampered female born into royal privilige, she really has no right whatsoever to tell the disenfranchised conscript how to grieve. but aside from a little therapy speech about his emotional dam he doesn't really push back against it.

her empathy is completely hollow because she wouldn't waste the fluid to spit on him if he was still male.

if there was any justice she would grovel at lopin's feet and beg his forgiveness. I understand she has to keep up appaerances for her political maneuvers but it's still pissing me off.

at least the comic lets kass have his male idenity and isn't cucking him out of it, yet. hopefully it will stay that course.

and I say all this as someone who has struggled with some form agp for most of my life and these gender bender stories always hit a little too close to home.

>153046503
die in ukraine like 90% of the male population there have.

>>153046569
Its furry body destruction and forced transgenderism as well as forced diminution.

>>153046596
Like all stories regarding humanoid eastern European rats (that arent about jewish diasphora, at least), the weakness, victimization, bodily loss, and absence of status is the goal, not an obstacle to be overcome,

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>>153046569
if he was turned into a male yinglet he might still be useful to ran's little research project but he would hold no value as a diplomat since the yinglets don't respect average males.

his value comes exclusively from the insane value the enclave puts on females. he is elevated for his new sex, and only that.

>>153046617
it's literally harry potter but instead of the boy under the cupboard turning out to be a super special wizard he turns out to be a super special rat princess instead.

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>>153046596
>but the comic keeps making it out like there's some kind of ambiguity about his gender identity
No, it doesn't. The comic make it very clear that he does identify as a man.

>it almost feels like grooming.
There are character who would love to see him assume more his new identity for their own personal interest, but that doesn't mean the comic itself condone grooming.

>the private meeting where she tries to get him to cry it all out is really frustrating
Crying and letting your emotion goes out isn't a female exclusive thing, this isn't "grooming him into being a woman", but a sincere worry about his current mental state and a fear that if he doesn't address it soon, it will all break down at the worse moment. there is no grooming there.

>vizlet is a pampered female born into royal privilige
Vizlet actually had a point where she was travelling on her own and actually did manual labor. Also "royalty" when it come to Yinglet is a very relative notion, it means at best being on top of the junkyard that is an enclave and still having to deal with the patriarch on top of her.

>her empathy is completely hollow because she wouldn't waste the fluid to spit on him if he was still male.
The fuck are you on? Now you are going in plain schizo territory and making shit up. Vizlet clearly care for all of the Yinglets in her enclave and has never shown disdain for male Yinglet, or even male human.

>if there was any justice she would grovel at lopin's feet and beg his forgiveness
She basically saved his life. Heck, she did absolutely nothing to him, she wasn't even in charge of the team that retrieved him and beat him up. I am sorry, but this is a really bad level of assessing reality. I seriously advice you to consult someone, this way of transforming what you see from what they actually are is very worrying.

>die in ukraine like 90% of the male population there have.
Also, those kind of threat isn't a good sign either.

>>153046631
if he was turned into a male yinglet he might still be useful to ran's little research
He wouldn't have as good as a situation but he still be of interest to the house of Ivenmoth as a potential spy and a way to study Yinglets more closely.

so his social situation would still improve. due to turning to Yinglet.

So no, this comic isn't misandrst at all and isn't trying to push that turning female make for a better way of living.

Kass's live's "improvment" is still entirely due to turning into a Yinglet, not turning female specifically.

>>153046697
>Vizlet clearly care for all of the Yinglets in her enclave and has never shown disdain for male Yinglet,
vizlet is the matriarch of an enclave that marginalizes and casts out 90% of the male population, she is literally the top dog and shown to boss all the other females and even the patriarchs around. she readily overrules that patriarch that wants to kill lopin and it is accepted without question. she may not have created the misandrist system but she is in charge of it, the buck stops with her.

>priviliged female has the resources to travel and see the world
>only interested in teaching "her girls"
not really helping your case with that one
I appreciate that her intentions are to uplift the yinglet society as a whole, but in practice that means concentrating more power in the hands of the matriarchs.

>>153046719
no, it is due to turning female. if he had turned male he would be on par with lopin in the hierarchy.

>>153045878
he's a fancy lad, it's pronounced the same as rabbit in french

>>153046734
>vizlet is the matriarch of an enclave that marginalizes and casts out 90% of the male population
Literally a rule imposed by the Yinglet patriarchy and the male founder of the Yinglet civilisation.

Matriarchs that does not respect those rule can even be taken and removed from an enclave.

None of what you are saying contradict what I said.

>>only interested in teaching "her girls"
Nowhere is it said it's the ONLY thing she is interested. And she acxtually had to learn manual labor, anon. All this is still in cotnradiction with your statment hat she only lived a pampered life-style.

>no, it is due to turning female
Everything indicate his social status would have worsened if he had turned into a female human, so it's demonstrated to be false.

>>153046767
>Everything indicate his social status would have worsened if he had turned into a female human
nothing indicates that. the guard has plenty of female humans. val salia is depicted as an egalitarian paradise of ethnically ambigous multi-racial coexistence, except for the slight detail incredibly misandrist yinglet system.

>Nowhere is it said
she literally says it.

>she chose to work
yes, chose. she had the resources and the privilige to go and make that choice. now compare that to lopin's destitution, kass's conscription, and brakka being forced into criminality.

yinglet females are born into privilige. she has no right to tell the disenfranchised conscript how to grieve. none.

>>153046787
>nothing indicates that. the guard has plenty of female humans.
The country he comes from has more old-fashioned way of considering women and he would be of no valu to the Ivemoth house. He would still be stuck among his peer and could no longer claim his past idnetity on which he build his social level so far.

>she literally says it.
No, she doesn't. Nowhere does she says she ONLY teach her girls.

Seriosuly, this level of desilusion is not a good sign at all. please consult someone.

>she had the resources and the privilige to go and make that choice.
Again, it invalidate your notion she only lived a pampered life-style.

And female Matriarch do'nt have much of a choice of their life-style either. If anything, it seem Vizlet had to go through extra effort to live among human and serve low-base effort. Doesn't looks like the conventional Matriarchal upbringing.

>>153046787
>she has no right to tell the disenfranchised conscript how to grieve.
Everyone who care and can empathise can, actually.

>>153046787
>having to work as the lowest of the low among human make you privileged
Seriously, anon, the fuck is wrong with your brain?

>>153046819
>>she had the resources and the privilige to go and make that choice.
>Again, it invalidate your notion she only lived a pampered life-style.
No, it doesn't. Lopin literally has his life or death decided for him by females. The patriarchs have to compete with 90% of the population for the top spot to be chosen to be patriarchs. How on earth does this compare to being born as a special female and given everything?

It's nice that she chose to go and learn something for her little literacy project, but it was a choice she made because she had the resources to do so. It doesn't make her not automatically priviliged for being female. Again, Lopin, an average male, matters so little that his life literally hinges on Kass letting him live, because as a female he just gets to have that power.

>>153046831
not when she has no concept of what he's gone through and tries to get him to perform his grief for her in a certain way.

he is shown to cry openly with Elim, his blood brother, because that is earned.

>>153046856
>Lopin literally has his life or death decided for him by females.
Actually, no, he was about to be executed by a patriarch, anon. She basically saved his life. Again. How can you get that this wrong?

> but it was a choice she made because she had the resources to do so.
She seems did it in spite of her Matriarch status, not thanks to it. Saying she lived a pampered lifestyle when she had to do the lowest of manual labor for humans is still outright demonstrated to be false.

>and tries to get him to perform his grief for her in a certain way.
Not what happened at all, anon. this has never been about performing.

>because that is earned.
To empathise has nothing to do with being earned. You see someone is hurting on the inside, it's normal to try to care and help.

>>153046944
>when she had
chose.
SHE CHOSE to do it, because she could. she has agency, resources, authority, everything.

IT'S NICE that she CHOSE to get some life experience, her INTENTION of uplifting yinglets is NICE. but it is A CHOICE. she certainly could have just leaned back and stayed in the den humping her brains out, that's true.

but it doesn't make her not priviliged. yinglet females are born into privilige while the vast majority of males live at the fringes of society struggling to get by
>b-but the patriarchs
VAST majority of males matter so little they can have their lives decided for them by females.

What's the comic about? (500 words or less please)

>>153046997
>SHE CHOSE to do it, because she could. she has agency, resources, authority, everything.
She has less agency than the Patriarchs and it seem she did what she did agaisnt the "agency" granted to her. Normally, a Matriarch isn't allowed to leave her enclave alone and yet here hse is, working alone for humans.

Your argument doens't make sense. She had as much agency as any male Yinglet to become a Patriarch. Probably less.

Nothing you are saying indicate she had a pampered life-style not does this disqualify her to care.

>VAST majority of males matter so little they can have their lives decided for them by females.
Vast majority of females aren't allowed to leave an live on their own either. Especially matriarch. You are not making a point with that.

>>153047050
Some dude get changed into a female version of a species that occupy the lowest of societal rank of a multi-species society and end up being caught up in the political games and has to make the best of this situation with the help of a bunch of other missfits.

>>153047076
Neat

>>153047055
>She has less agency than the Patriarchs
she overrules patriarchs, dictates who gets to breed with who (eugenics btw), probably has a decent say in who gets to be a patriarch in the first place. she is at the very top of the enclave. I understand there is some external council of higher yinglets outside the enclave that she answers to, but in her society she is basically queen.

>a Matriarch isn't allowed to leave her enclave
where is this established? nowhere. she made the choice, she had the choice, this is automatically more priviliged than 99% of the male population. even the females that don't leave the den still live comfortable lives and all they have to do is fuck some dudes and lay some eggs.

again, COMPARE this to
>conscription (slavery)
>losing everything
>barely getting by as a scavenger or criminal
>becoming prison gay
>having your life and death decided by the whim of a female
>having to compete for top <1% priviliged spot of patriarch to matter

yinglet females are insanely priviliged just for being female

>>153046756
I don't know much french, is it more of the "pang" sound then?

>>153047113
>she overrules patriarchs
She doesn't, actually. Patriarchs from the main enclave can even decide to remove a Matriarch if she doesn't follow the rules. One of Vizlet's current main worry is precisely the fear of being removed for letting her enclave indulge too much into human knowledge. that's like a whole plot.

>where is this established?
A matriarch isn't normally allowed to leave her enclave UNACCOMPANIED.

>she had the choice
Again, she had as much choice to go on her own and to live among humans to do manual labor as a male yinglet has a choice to become a patriarch.

>yinglet females are insanely priviliged just for being female
Again, none of that change that you where wrong when you said she only had a pampered life-style with no experience of hardship. You keep trying to make this argument about something else.

>>153047113
>yinglet females are insanely priviliged just for being female
Only the ones who are deemed good for reproduction. We actually don't know what they do of females who have too much mutations and are this barred from taking part in the reproduction cycle, but the fact that we only see "regular" Yinglet female in the adult population suggest something quite grim.

>>153047089
>>153047089
It is. Don’t let that one anon who’s getting his panties in a twist weird you out. Most of the cool stuff is in the fantasy world building, as the author took a lot of time to plan out shit. Like this one human city’s alliance with a bunch of autistic pacifist shredder worm people and the social dynamics of a bunch of clawed super-predators trying to act normal among humans, let alone the effects of a bunch of retarded slutty raptor rat people on human civilization as they try to build themselves as a people. Give it a read sometime.

>>153047186
she literally overrules the patriarchs decision to have lopin taken away, and she bosses the ninja guy around. she clearly has more than casual influence over how things are done.

yes she saves lopin, but how? by using her female privilige. she shouldn't have that power over his life to begin with. he lives and dies at her whims.

>when you said she only had a pampered life-style with no experience of hardship
how does choosing to go and do some honest work compare to losing everything in a war or living as a destitute street rat? she has no right to tell kass how to grieve. I know that she means well, but she is trying to fit his grief into a box that he doesn't want her to. he is right to push her away.

>>153047206
What are the larger goals and plot hooks for the main character? Sure they probably want to get back to normal but what big mysteries are we waiting to see unfold

>>153047204
we are shown that all weak babies are discarded in the den, this is horrific in its own way, but it is not priviliged for either males or females.

>>153047245
the whole conspiracy centers around the artifact, there clearly are some yinglets who know exactly what it is and were trying to get at it and keep it quiet from the rest.

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>>153047206
it's the only example of picrel i can think of where if you remove picrel there is no comic

>>153047176
i would write it as loe-pahn
hn kind of blends into a single letter, and you have to pronounce it as nasally as humanly possible

>>153047271
Neat. Epic rat rebellion I imagine, long-fated rising up of the patient and downtrodden jihadis perhaps? Any old men in mountains?

>>153047245
The two main hooks are low key and high key. Low key, it’s about the newly changed rat girl trying to get used to the political realities of being a diplomat while also adjusting to their entire mode of being changing aka going from human to rat person.
High key, it’s about a bunch of people trying to find out more on the origins of the mystic artifact that changed the main character from human to rat person, which is the real reason the main character was made a diplomat to the rat people. A task which is gummed up by a foreign agent in the rat people enclave actively trying to suppress any evidence of the artifact.

>>153047237
>she literally overrules the patriarchs decision to have lopin taken away
she doesn't overrule anything. It's simply her prerogative in that specific case and she can not give him order like telling her what his mission is actually about. She act deferential to Narket and must accommodate for his need.

>yes she saves lopin, but how? by using her female privilige.
someone in a position of authority use the authority to save the life of someone. You are not making a point by pointing that out.

Again, nothing you are saying back up your claim that she has only ever known a pampered lifestyle with no way of understanding hardship.

>how does choosing to go and do some honest work compare to losing everything in a war or living as a destitute street rat?
She has a good idea of how humans view Yinglets and, again you do not need to have gone through the same hardship to empathise and care about someone.

>>153047280
I can think of quite a few, but you’re not wrong.

>>153047334
>she doesn't overrule anything.
she literally does, he orders lopin to be taken away, and she changes the order to exile.
>She act deferential to Narket
which is why he, having a vested interest in silencing lopin, melts into her hands? he clearly knows he can not do anything against her order of exile. her order supercedes his.

>someone in a position of authority
female authority.
and kass is allowed to take lopin as his slave, because he is a female. lopin is tossed around like a chew toy because he is male and they are female.

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>>153047258
>we are shown that all weak babies are discarded in the den
Not all of them. We have seen "mutant" Yinglet allowed to grow into adulthood (but only male ones), they are just not allowed to reproduce.

>>153047330
>origins of the mystic artifact that changed the main character from human to rat person, which is the real reason the main character was made a diplomat to the rat people. A task which is gummed up by a foreign agent in the rat people enclave actively trying to suppress any evidence of the artifact.
Ah the old 'it is fated one will transform into the into the oppressed species so they may finally be led and justice can be brought' tale. Neat.

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why can you not just admit that the yinglet society is incredibly misandrist and lopin is a hapless victim with no power when it's all right there?

kass has his fate changed from conscripted war refugee and lowly guardsman to officer and diplomat who can decide the lives of others just from becoming female.

why is it so important to you that this isn't misandrist somehow?

>>153047394
Yeah it's like Drow isn't it? There's some theme here about these outcasts having reverse gender roles isn't there?

>>153047388
Could be. I’m more inclined to think the rat people are ancient science experiments that went and built their own society. But there are definitely signs of a rat conspiracy plotting to do something with these artifacts to put themselves on par or at least compete against humanity, given there’s a whole rat man council conspiring to traffic them and hush up their existence, we’re just in far too early to guess what exactly.

>>153047434
I wonder how long the final page count is planned to be

>>153047372
Acting per your prerogative is not overruling. She has the authorithy to exile, but that doens't mean she is superior to Patriarchs. That doesn't mean she can order him. And she doesn't give him any order. She even ask him to forgive her.
>which is why he, having a vested interest in silencing lopin, melts into her hands?
At no point does he ever do that, anon he even outright refuse to tell her what he is investigating

>because he is a female.
More because he is a representative of Ivenmoth. We have seen Matriarch still have to earn their positions of authority.

my guess is the artifact was some ancient way for yinglets to balance their sexes according to need, kinda like frogs, or those weird armored worm people in the comic. there may be a "male yinglet" juice as well.

I don't know how it'll tie into the plot but presumably there was a more advanced yinglet civilization in the ancient past?

>>153047394
>why can you not just admit that the yinglet society is incredibly misandrist
That was never the argument in the first place anon. Stop arguing in bad faith.

>>153047394
>why can you not just admit that the yinglet society is incredibly misandrist
Anon, you were trying to argue that the comic itself was misandrist, not the Yinglet society itself. You are trying to move the goalpost and we can all see it.

>>153047467
Hopefully there's more to it than just a sex-change spell

>>153044512
>the scav equivalent to the gym
Believe it not? Hot Yoga.

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>>153047462
>More because he is a representative of Ivenmoth.
because he is a female, the enclave does not respect common males. he would not be useful as a diplomat otherwise.

>At no point does he ever do that,
right here, he knows he cannot overturn her order even though he wants to.

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she is definitely in charge, over the patriarchs.

>>153047445
Hopefully before the writer corks it

>>153047467
Given the presence of “lesser yinglets”, it’d make sense. Or maybe the lesser is the original and the artifacts created the greater ones that we see in the comic

I noticed the majority of the plot happens in the first 50 pages, the other 300 or so pages are just meandering bs, I wonder what happened there.

I also wish there were chapters in the archive, it's a nightmare to navigate.

>>153047627
It slowed down to focus on how the individual characters react to the grenade of a new untested female rat diplomat being thrown into the arena. That’s part of why people want to see where this enclave party goes, because presumably the kids gloves are going to be taken off for Kassen and crew.

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I guess I'll just go back to having heart break all by myself because nobody is even capable of perceiving misandry as being misandry anymore, there's always excuses for everything.

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>>153047578
>the enclave does not respect common males.
They would, however, give some actual level of respect for a male Yinglet officially working as Ivenmoth's ambassador.

which is why Kass is given respect there.

>right here
Cutting out the part where he outright say he will not satisfy her demand is some shitty bad-faith there. Anon. At this point, I have to start assuming you are just shit-posting.

>>153047591
They are both set on the same level It doesn't say she outrank them. furthermore, we have seen that Vizlet has to make a point to keep pleasing the Patriarchs and give them good impression.

>>153047701
he does not say he is refusing on his own authority, but on the authority of the high elders. it is the elders that outrank her, not him.

>>153047696
>because nobody is even capable of perceiving misandry as being misandry anymore
See >>153047490
>>153047479
And stop making shit up. this was never the argument in the first place.

>>153047722
you're the one not arguing in good faith

read >>153045769

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I am not kidding when I say heart break, I literally ate ice cream for dinner last night because of this.

is it pathethic to feel this way over some cartoon rats? yes. but it is how I feel.

>>153047712
>he does not say he is refusing on his own authority
And the Matrairch's authorithy also come from the Council of elders.

Like I have said before, a Matriarch can be remove if she does not does her job correctly or the enclave misbehave.

>>153047728
It has already been adressed and you have been explained that why you are jumping to conclusion complaining that the comic is misandirst.

None of the arguments given to you can allow you to conclude the replies were made in bad faith or that people do not understand what misandry is.

>>153047728
>try to switch the argument from "this comic is misandrist" to "Yinglet society is misandrist"
>try then to complain that people can't recognise misandry when that bait and switch is pointed out
Naaaah the bad faith is all yours.

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>>153047744
you need to stop trying to paint a society that forces 99% of its male population to the fringes while the females all live safe, comfortable, protected lives as being somehow patriarchal. the patriarchs are only patriarchs because they are the most useful to the eugenics program, it isn't a privilige.

I'm sure the great conqueror guy was male, but the enclave system isn't equitable to anyone who isn't that one guy or in his clique.

like I said, I think the natural social structure for these creatures is some kind of hyena like family-pack where males are valued. and I mean the average male, like lopin or brakka. it is not dignified or fair for any male to live the loveless, desitute, disposable lives that the enclave forces on them just so a handful of playboys can play patriarchs and the females literally get to decide who lives and dies.

>>153047806
>you need to stop trying to paint a society that forces 99% of its male population to the fringes while the females all live safe, comfortable, protected lives as being somehow patriarchal
No one has tried to do that, anon. Not bothering to read the rest.

>>153047776
>>153047800
there is no difference, the yinglet society is depicted in the comic. the rest of the comic is this egalitarian wonderland where all races, sexes and species work together, but the yinglet society and kass's status is completely tied to the value of his female sex. this is what the comic is about.

>>153047836
>there is no difference, the yinglet society is depicted in the comic. the rest of the comic is this egalitarian wonderland where all races, sexes and species work together
That's not what the comic depict, anon. Valsalia is a tyranny. An enlightened tyranny for now but a Tyranny nevertheless.

And a piece of fiction depicting a non-egalitarian society doesn't mean it support it. Your critical reading is abysmal.

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anyway there is some really good stuff too.

>kass keeps his male identity, doesn't get cucked out of it or forced to find his inner femininity or some shit like that
>shows healthy male bonding
>kass warms to lopin in a drunken clam bender instead of a therapy session
>kass cries (whines?) about his new body in elims arms, unconditional bro love
>kass watches over elim after he gets stabbed day and night, falling asleep in his arms
>kass rejects vizlet's overbearing attempts at feminine comfort outright

the moment where he almost cries and then pushes her away is actual kinography

I think there is some real meat on the bones here, but I fear very much it'll go in some awful direction soon. we'll see.

>>153047867
a tyrannical enforcement of an egalitarian welfare state, how horrible

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>>153047922
As long as children don't get on the menu...

>>153041243
I thought this comic had vbeen banished to /trash/

>>153046719
It's not misandry, TG is just one of val's fetishes (based).

>>153048094
only when people post the porn

>>153047823
>No one has tried to do that
the entire thread has been people trying to do that

>>153047591
Let's not forget that this 'insight' into Yinglet society is written by Ran using the Val Salia enclave as the example, but we know from the lore that the Val Salia enclave is something of an oddity among Yinglet enclaves, and that other enclaves in the south are seeking to bring them 'into greater conformity'.

The Matriarch and Patriarchs are essentially sitting on the ruling council and there majority rules holds sway. Vizlet has the power she does in the Enclave because she's a good player of the political game and has cultivated good relationships with most of the other Patriarchs, but I'm pretty sure that if the Patriarchs all decided against her on a general issue, she'd have to go along with their decision.

>>153048126
I'm not saying she has universal dictatorial power, but she clearly is highest on the local pecking order, and unlike the males she didn't really have to fight for it, at least not nearly to the same degree.

Most female yinglets are basically retarded and have no real power, they're just pampered. Only the matriarch does.

>>153048156
most yinglets are basically retarded, male or female. that's most of the comic relief.

>>153046102
Considering things the guy says in the /trash/ threads he seems like unironically sjw (2010 edition) to me.

>>153047364
>can think of a few
weird i thought most were inserted randomly and could easily be removed

>>153048118
>the entire thread has been people trying to do that
Nope.

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>>153048151
>and unlike the males she didn't really have to fight for it
There is clearly competition among females too and her comment on Lippie indicate that just being female isn't a given to become a matriarch.

>>153048508
obviously since there is only one matriarch it is not a given, and vizlet definitely went above and beyond anything expected of her, but it doesn't make her not priviliged. all the females are insanely priviliged.

>>153048531
>but it doesn't make her not priviliged
Again, that was never the argument.

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>>153041243
>Bout time to get outta here
finally! too bad yannit isn't here to make the dream team

they should make this captcha permanent so people without board culture can't post lmao

>>153048569
Yes it was. The whole contention was when I said that priviliged vizlet has no right to tell disenfranchised conscript kass how to feel.

>>153048653
>The whole contention was when I said that priviliged vizlet has no right to tell disenfranchised
That they are privileged or not has zero impact on whether or not one can offer emotional support. That was the actual point.
And that being privileged doesn't mean one hasn't gone through hardship of their own or hasn't developed understanding to not empathise with someone else. That was the argument.

At no point has anyone tried to argue that Vizlet wasn't without privilege. No one has ever argued agaisnt that in this thread.

>>153045769
>kass as a human man is completely disposable and worthless
>conscripted, on the run for most of his life
Kass was actually from a middle class family, he received an education and was going to become a merchant like his parents. The draft, his subsequent dessertion with Elim, and his arrival in Valsalia are all relatively recent events
lost everything because born with a dick at the wrong place at the wrong time
>struggles to gain recognition as guardsman
>really wants that officers badge but stuck in his career running caravans
This is just something that happens in life
>gets some rat-princess juice in his eyes
>instantly valuable
>promoted to officer and diplomat just like that
Because he's an incredibly special case with immediate strategic and scientific value
>yinglets worship their females
>females are more or less born into royalty
This is clearly stated to be a result of the enclave system for their protection and not a natural phenomenon. Furthermore, in exchange for this treatment females have virtually no freedoms outside of whatever meager luxuries their enclaves can provide. They are breeding stock first and foremost.
>only the top 1% males are kept by the matriarchs as breeding stock
The patriarchs aren't the exclusive breeders of the females, they're just the most successful yinglet males in general. Its a management role.
>all that Lopin stuff
Without the prison gay stuff yinglets would be killing eachother 24/7 365
Narklet is the one actually trying to kill Lopin.
He is clearly not destitute (by scav standards), he was trying to be a "real" merchant, he just didn't know what he was doing.
Most of that is just bad luck
He's just like that

>>153048589
TOTAL
RAT
DEATH

>>153048754
And her choice to go and do some learning isn't remotely comparable to what kass, or even the average yinglet male has to go through.

Her empathy is hollow because it is contingent on Kass
A. being a female
B. performing according to vizlet's script
I know that she is genuinely concerned but if he doesn't want to cry for her she shouldn't try to force it, muhc less berate him for not doing it.

>>153048830
>Kass was actually from a middle class family, he received an education and was going to become a merchant like his parents.
according to what? even if that is the case, being a "middle class merchant" does not in any way save him from male disposability and conscription (slavery), only fleeing everything he's ever known with his best buddy does that, and even then he's struggling. only by becoming a female does his lot instantly improve. if ivenmoth had access to another yinglet female that they could trust she would be diplomat instead. his value comes 100% from the value that the enclave assigns to females.

>it's all just le bad luck, happenstance and smchappenstance
kill yourself. it's a system engineered to exploit low value males.

>>153048842
>And her choice to go and do some learning isn't remotely comparable to what kass, or even the average yinglet male has to go through.
Her little adventures and her subsequent "radical ideas" got her sent to the yinglet equivalent of an Alaskan post office and a literal fed rat breathing down her neck respectively.
>I know that she is genuinely concerned but if he doesn't want to cry for her she shouldn't try to force it, much less berate him for not doing it.
She's working off her yinglet mom framework. For a normal yinglet "letting it all out" immediately solves any and all emotional distress.

>>153045769
Dude, both of these guy's comics are him exploring his TF fetish. One leans into the kink, one leans into the plot. This is not even speculation, he has outright admitted to this.

You are over thinking this.

>>153048842
>And her choice to go and do some learning isn't remotely comparable to what kass, or even the average yinglet male has to go through.
That has never been the point. Again.

>Her empathy is hollow because it is contingent on Kass
>A. being a female
>B. performing according to vizlet's script
What you are saying there is completely meaningless. You are not making a point.

>>153048894
>kill yourself. it's a system engineered to exploit low value males.
Engineered by a male Yinglet, incidentally. And your call for suicide doesn't make you loos like a sound of mind individual.

>>153048894
>kill yourself. it's a system engineered to exploit low value males.
The enclave system is a desperate and pragmatic system designed to prioritize survival of the species above all else. Females are treated as currency, males are treated as an expendable labor force. Its a flawed system, but most yinglets can't think of another one and the ones that do, like vizlet, are repressed by the elders.

>>153048940
>beurocratric slap on the wrist comparable to starving on the street or losing everything you've ever known

>>153050392
>comparable to starving on the street
Yinglets like lopin are in the city by choice. They're not starving, they're thriving there, and are free to return home at any time. Under normal circumstances they would never be gone from their enclaves for long, the city is offering them an alternative.

>>153050392
That's not the equivalent of it. This is a case of punishing someone without being able to establish that person deserve punishment in the first place.

We do not know what kind of punishment matriarch who actually break rules receive.

The equivalent of that for male Yinglet would be... I guess letting him hurt himself with the very same foolishness they wanted but couldn't sanction him for, I guess.

>>153050555
the male equivalent is getting randomly executed without knowing why and relying on the whims of valued females to verify your right to even exist

>>153050645
No, it's not anon. That's not a "punishment that must not look like a punishment".

>>153050678
stop trying so hard to justify this shit mate, it's evil

>>153050798
I am not trying to justify anything, anon.

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oh well, I'm gonna go cry myself to sleep over lopin now... again. goodnight anons, good thread, love ya'll.

>>153050392
She is at serious risk of being dissappeared anon

>>153042728
Elim should be worried, he now has to deal with the Lopins undivided attention

>>153052973
He's going to get some use out of that nurse costume