Which of these two colossal comic book giants is the superior yarn spinner, and which do you prefer? Who has the better comics under their respective belts?
Johns can be dumb, but Kirkman can't stop putting his cuck fetish into everything.
>>153064239Johns is a fucking hack retard failed streaming IP mill. Kirkman is a fucking retard successful streaming IP mill. That is the only actual contribution they made to the medium.
>>153064239Depends, which one had the worst dropped plotlines
>>153064239Johns is the better storyteller of the two, but not by much and only really because he learned the importance of thematic storytelling from moviesKirkman is the better worldbuilder and he makes better charactersThey both have the shitty habit of relying on surprise violence in lieu of good writing
>>153064309This but add onto Kirkmans habit of scrapping everything if it doesn’t make money right away
I'm going to go with Johns, I don't really care for Kirkman's work.
>>153064239>forced drama slop master>serial autist that cant let people play with his toysboth kinda suck but johns is the one who did not spend his entire career writing derivative slop
>>153064239At least Johns has some good ideas every once in a while. Kirkman has nothing but bad ideas.
>>153064239Johns has greater highs but lower lowsKirkman is a good businessman
>>153064239Johnathan Hickman
>>153064239kirkman hasnt produced anything good. no, invincible is not good. no, walking dead is not good.
>>153064239can't we just make them fight to the death
>>153064239Johns. It’s not even fucking close lol. And I say that as someone who has hated every comic he’s written in the last 8 years.
>>153064395He’s never written a good comic though. Johns’ catalog shits on his quite handedly.
>>153064239Kirkman has cool world building ideas and has written some good character moments but Johns overall is the better writer,
John's because of his phenomenal Aquaman run.>>153064395Based.>>153065569Fuck you, his Avengers runs were solid. After Time Runs Out it got weaker but still not bad.
>>153064239Neither deserves their success
>>153065664His avengers was worse than his FF or X-Men which were genuinely terrible. Hes as bad as king or bendis when it comes to basically writing OCs in skinsuits of popular characters just to tell a story that doesn’t fit them at all. Johns also has greats run on action, JSA/Classified, Flash and Green Lantern beside his aquaman. Hes got more highs for DC than almost anybody who debuted in the last 30 years even if the better part of the last decade he’s written nothing but trash. That being said Johns’ avengers is even worse than Hickman’s so there’s that.
>>153065664I thought Time Runs Out WAS the ending. Also not that guy cause I think Hickman’s a far superior writer to Johns, but the man objectively speaking can not do endings. His only work with a satisfying emotional/thematic conclusion is Fantastic Four. Manhattan Projects especially feels like “this didn’t get picked up for a TV show so I’m just gonna wrap things up.”
>>153065664*New AvengersAvengers was boring shit.
>>153065737>Also not that guy cause I think Hickman’s a far superior writer to JohnsI genuinely don’t understand how someone can think this. His plots are barebones ideas (some better than others), his characters are depthless interchangeable pieces and as you admit he’s never stuck a landing. Scott fucking Snyder is a better writer than Hickman and he’s basically just an autist slamming toys against the wall.
>>153065737>I thought Time Runs Out WAS the endingIt was the last arcs, I meant from the start of that arc it got weaker.I agree Secret Wars was worse than the build up.Did you read Avengers World? That I thought was a lot of fun. Don't know how much that was Hickman vs Spencer.
>>153064239The only contemporary Johns has with as many good comics as him is maybe rick remender. They both have some stinkers, Johns more than remender, but they both have plenty of hits.
>>153065709>That being said Johns’ avengers is even worse than Hickman’s so there’s that.Wow explain?I read only the arc with the poison gas & Red Skull and thought it was fine.
>>153065775I hate John’s Silver Age fanboyism and I think the Rainbow Lantern Corps is the worst thing that could have happened to the character. I will admit I did like Forever Evil.
>>153064239Geoff Johns is better
>>153065808What’s there to explain? It’s terrible and basically started the destruction of she-hulk as we know it. Everyone was a miserable cunt and it was full of stupidity.
>>153065824I hate Hickman’s post-modernism and I think the Krakoa is the worst thing that could have happened to the X-Men
>>153065853Aight man to each their own
>>153065861>he actually thought Krakoa was goodLooks like we got an LGTB+ moron here, everybody. Explains it all.
>>153065876Nigga I didn’t even like Krakoa I just said he’s a better writer than Johns
>>153064239>superior yarn spinnerObjectively Kirkman, if we're speaking from a profit angle.>which do you preferJohns. He always seemed (past tense) to have a good idea of what folks wanted out of cape comics and delivered that.>Who has the better comicsJohns, for the reasons listed above. He hasn't released a good comic in so long I can hardly blink, but the same goes for Kirkman. Not to completely shit on Kirkman, I do like some of his Marvel work and I guess Tech Jacket was pretty fun until he fucked that up.
While we are on the subject of Hickman and his Avengers/New Avengers runs...I don't think Earth-616 should have been the one to survive the incursion with Earth-42900001. The Great Society deserved better.
>>153065993It’s been 12 years…
>>153066071And? 616 is trash.
>>153065853>Krakoa is the worst thing that could have happened to the X-MenProfoundly agree.> "Let us turn almost every hero in our most popular franchise into a bunch of Killmonger/HutuPower/Hamas/HasanPiker/Magneto "the oppressed can do nothing wrong, even genocide" lunatics".
>>153066133Cope
>>153066138When Hickman started it I thought it was going to be a commentary on Zionism but then he left and none of the writers followed though with that.
>>153065993>>153066133Fucking Based.Still fucking mad about the JMS Supreme Power-verse getting killed off twice around then + the Empyre Squadron Supreme (& Thor) series getting canceled.
I like Johns. There's just something deeply cynical about Kirkman I don't much care for.
>>153065993>>153066133It's insane how all those expys have good to great outfits EXCEPT the Martian Manhunter stand-in, incompetent fucks.
>>153066133Okay, but these expies showed up for three issues of a 30-issue tie in to a bigger event and jobbed immediately. If you’re so attached to DC expies in Marvel, why not just cling to the Squadron Supreme instead? They’ve got a few miniseries at least.
>>153066172I remember that. First Thanos killed a variant of their team and then the real ones got taken out by The Squadron Sinister.>>153066200Well, maybe Alex Ross' version in Dimensions will have a better costume.
>>153066237I cling onto them, too. I just would like to see more of The Great Society.
I never understood the obsession /co/ has or at least used to have for Geohns but then again I hear a lot of it is from green lantern and I don't read green lantern books
>>153066363He was THE DC architect at the time
>>153065905And that’s an absurd suggestion. He has literally never written a good run. Johns has 5 multi-year runs some went for half a decade.
>>153066410so? Bendis was the marvel architect and /co/ despised him. is being the architect worthy of praise?
>>153066363See:>>153065709>Johns also has greats run on action, JSA/Classified, Flash and Green Lantern beside his aquaman
>>153066459Bendis was a shitty architect, he didn't even understand most of the characters he was writing about.
>>153066460>Flashhe forced bringing Barry back which ended up in him replacing wally during new 52 how is that in any way a good thing ?
>>153066172>Still fucking mad about the JMS Supreme Power-verse getting killed off twiceNever forget that the sole survivor of Supreme Power getting merc'd, Nighthawk, got killed in a fucking tie-in to Secret Empire of all events. OFF-SCREEN.Funniest of all, he got killed in a literal hate crime, which if you know Supreme Power Nighthawk, that's the absolute funniest fucking way they could have killed off that character.
