>go in expecting horrible pro-slavery racism>its actually just a charming filmWhy is this movie's content so exaggerated by people? Like yeah the happy go lucky portrayal of a racist society is a little jarring but it's not the 'slavery is actually pretty cool!' rhetoric I was expecting, not even close. It was probably the most tasteful way you could depict the time period without it being outright miserable. The animated segments were lots of fun and I ended up liking the kids and Remus a lot.
A big part of it is that Disney themselves view it as an old shame, and being as squeaky clean and brand-conscious as they are, want to bury and forget about it.I do think at the very least it should be released in some fashion for historical reasons, but I guess Disney wanting to keep their kid-friendly image don't want the outdated portrayals in the film to subconsciously influence kids who might look into it. I think that's a bit bullshit since I grew up watching Tom and Jerry before school and I remember Mammy Two Shoes and it never influenced me to be racist despite many protesting the character back in the 50s
>>153094982The movie kind of mid, the best parts are the animated segments which we've all seen. James Baskett basically carries the while movie.
>>153094982Soulful fucking movie. Genuinely some of the most charming 2D animation the Disney company has ever put out and it's a shame they've locked it away. Wonder if the film will get its day in the light when it enters the public domain.
>>153094982The hilarious irony is that by trying to bury this and the accoomplishments of the black actors involved, Disney just kind of ends up doing black erasure, all because they want to keep up their squeaky clean image.
>>153094982Why would have had that kind of expectation? Nobody in the history of the movie has ever described it as such.
>>153095206It has that reputation, presumably from people who didn't watch it, assumed the worst and repeated their assumptions as if they were facts.
>>153094982It won an Oscar and was considered a progressive movie.
>>153095197Just like Aunt Jemima.It just virtue signaling under making sure there is no positive "negro" imagery
>>153095257It's interesting how some stuff considered progressive when it was first released is considered outdated and offensive by today's standards.I can think of a certain recently canceled Disney cartoon episode that would fit that description but I don't want to derail the thread
>>153095314Many lack the ability to evaluate things in the context of their time. They can only compare them to current standards.
>>153094982The Soundtrack is awesome.https://youtu.be/TvkkSckP2c0?si=h2hepyQ1pVSf7Xzd
>>153094982>>153095136>>153095197Fuck off /pol/
>>153096176Nah I hate /pol/
>>153095308Mammies aren't positive imagery you dumbass.
>>153094982Disney isn't jewish so they have to attack everything he did and the have to act like ever second of black experience was horrible out their agenda falls apart.I small think they're just seething because WW2 almost put Disney out of business until he made the jump to live action to start afloat until the 50's and this was his first attempt at live action so it must seem like a giant loss that this was successful for him.
>>153095171The best parts are the live action parts and no one has seen the Briar Rabbit segments unless they've seen the movie
>>153095206It's the only way I've ever heard it described>>153096192Yes they are
>>153095314Mammy Two-Shoes is the golden example of this, a black woman in a speaking role in one of the greatest cartoons of all time, owns a nice home, presumably retired with money, and (most importantly for the time) isn't subservient to a white person? The house she lives in is also a goddamn mansion with a basement and attic ffs.I'm pretty sure the ones that complained about her back in the day were just upset that a woman was getting recognition and used her race as an attack vector.>>153095337I sometimes joke "I said something racist five years ago, it was progressive them but it's racist now." when this gets brought up.
>>153095337And the context of the time is that it was made in a racist time period that is reflected in the way it depicts black people
>>153096939You will be told the same by your descendants.
>>153096721How?
>>153094982They wouldn't make a movie about how having a family tree like that one japanese porn game's a good thing, yes.
>>153096987Probably. So what?
>>153095171>name is James Basket>carries everything
>>153096862Out of all properties that Hollywood wants to do live action adaptations with CG characters, you'd think Tom and Jerry would lean in to having a proud black woman as the main human. She could have been played by Leslie Jones or that black woman who tried getting married in the second Sonic movie.
What's even offensive about itDo modern people really think slaves didn't have periods of downtime or leisure? That their existence was completely deprived of any joy?
>>153095314Al Jolson was considered a friend of the black community
>>153094982>Like yeah the happy go lucky portrayal of a racist society is a little jarringPrincess and the Frog is literally the same. It depicts the Jim Crow south as integrated.
>>153097810They do, but also, the niggas in this movie ain't slaves. It's set during reconstruction.
>>153095314Episode?
The especially ironic thing is that the Br'er Rabbit stories are actual, authentic African American folklore that was collected from former slaves before being published for a wider audience. So by censoring Song of the South, they're removing one of the few movies from that era that tells authentic black stories, and basically erasing historical black culture.
>>153094982I hate how the cultural warriors have effectively erased Black culture. This entire movie is based on Old slave myths created by black people, and we can't watch it because it is now it is racist the same thing with African history were the only African history allowed to know about is the Spider myth because it's not offensive, haven't heard we know about any African empires because a lot of them were slave trading with Europeans or a whole bunch of very incredible Legends because they have a lot of inappropriate things like cannibalism. There's one about two sisters one gets taken by the cannibal and it's pretty much like Hansel and Gretel. The liberal war on black history and the erasure of their entire culture due to it being racist so what do they do they create a new culture where did you know every African-American is actually an Egyptian from ancient Egypt
>>153098175Exactly. It's considered offensive that Uncle Remus is a cheerful sharecropper who helps white children a generation after slavery.Apparently it's racist unless he's an angry black man who lets a white child die for the sins of his parents.
>>153095314Progressives constantly eat their own tails
Black lost media thread?
>>153098635Conservatives constantly betray their own convictions
>>153098543Oh so conservatives would have been super happy depicting black history accurately but the mean old libs always stopped them?
>>153098679What we call conservative nowadays are just another flavor of progressive.I prefer G.K. Chestertons concept of Orthodoxy
>>153096862>>153097764>I'm pretty sure the ones that complained about her back in the day were just upset that a woman was getting recognition and used her race as an attack vector.No, they complain because she was a dated racist stereotype even in the 40s. Black actors had to accept any roles that were offered to them if even they were regressive and offensive (some even did literal blackface) and it's clear you prefer seeing blacks in secondary docile roles anyway.
>>153098732>No, they complain because she was a dated racist stereotype even in the 40s.There were no middle aged black women working in domestic service in the 40s?
>>153098748They didn't look and talk like slave Mammies from the 19th century.
>>153096192Nice black woman who are mothers are FORBIDDEN, they can only be cruel mothers or nice and single, so declares King Anon.Whether they know it or not.
>>153098706There's a big difference between black history American style and black history actual history. If you research actual black history it's pretty amazing it's got villains and heroes and princes and princesses and all those things that people like but it's a lot of blood and a lot of selling people off into slavery. It's not politically correct and it changes black people from being eternal victims to actually be human beings with a rich history and no one wants to hear that. And this is why these slave stories were buried because they actually are pretty good they're funny little stories about the Black Bunny getting it over on the evil slow-witted white master but no one wants to read those because hey black people are eternal victims they can't actually think for themselves are out with the master class. That's my point people are people and some people are bad and some people are good and it happens to all cultures and all races the problem is if you start looking at things like that then there's no such thing as a victim just life and luck and a few bad hands I feel good hands in life. Means people have to take responsibility for their actions
Disney did release a DVD version of Song of the South exclusively for film students. It can only be found in school libraries to be borrowed. Fortunately, I worked in my school library years ago and my boss arranged for me to borrow the school's single copy over spring break in 2015.The DVD is very unprofessionally made; it was not made for public consumption. But sure enough, the whole movie is there unedited, I watched through it from beginning to end. I enjoyed it, was a bit slow at parts, but it's definitely a Disney classic.I actually made a copy of the DVD before I returned it, still have the copy to this day! I should give it to my brother so he can rip it and properly preserve it, hoping there is no disc rot since it's been 11 years.
>>153099137>It's not politically correct So where are all the free speech absolutist conservatives who would talk about this? Instead you just get “achtually slavery was good because it taught slaves a trade as part of their forceful, violent subservience to white people”
>>153099333The modern position is "actually slavery was bad because it brought black people to America" rather than actually wanted it to come back.
>>153099137What gets overlooked is that back in Africa rival tribes or clans would fight each other and losers would be sold in slavery. This tribalism is very much still alive even now and one of the reasons why much Africa is still backward.
>>153099802You say that yet the US military is currently engaged in bombing fishermen and Iran just because it can
>>153094982Probably the tar babyhttps://youtu.be/q3xUzGkyMDI?&t=126
>>153094982This was a great thread. Thanks to the OP and the various anons for making it a reality.
>>153099088You keep ignoring that it's slave iconography and it's making you look very sus.Uncle Toms are "nice" too and there's a very specific reason why they're hated
>>153100180That was my first post, bigot.
>>153095206>it never happened (you are here!)>but if it did they're right>and if you don't like it then you are the problemDoes lying ever get taxing on your brain or do you just naturally have a forked tongue?
>>153098706>muh conservativesHey retard, read the post. It says culture warriors. But I suppose SJWs have a specific leaning. The point is that those faggots can't leave well enough alone. There are plenty of people who will ignore or leave sub Saharan African shit alone because they don't like it or don't care for it. But the retards who "want to represent black culture" will actively bury real shit from Africa while just promoting a bland, corporate correct-think-approved narratives. Even to the point of making shit up, like about Egypt. Would they even mention peanut butter or would that be too harmful?
>>153098732>Black actors had to accept any roles that were offered to them(Not true, by the way)
LMAO JANNIES ARE BABYSITTING THE THREAD!!!ENJOY YOUR EASTER SUNDAY WITH YOUR TENDIES AND DO IT FOR FREE!!!
>>153101197You’re just making shit up
>>153101261It’s hundred percent accurate. Same way Native Americans had to settle for extremely stereotypical depictions of themselves
>>153094982>slaveryIts Reconstruction era. Though people not knowing that is also a result of the movie being so buried
>>153094982It was because the black people on that film spoke like retards.
>>153095197The company that is.
>>153099143How's the masters quality?
>>153103008The movie needs to be redubbed with AAVE or Pidgin
>>153101802you're the type to believe anything cnn says
Splash Mountain never should've closed.
>>153096939It isn't. Also racism doesn't even exist, its a made up buzzword.
>>153094982It’s not something retroactive, blacks made it known at the time that they hated the movie. NAACP and National Negro Congress picketed outside of theaters where it was shown. The lone black man elected to Congress at the time spoke out against it. James “Uncle Remus” Baskett famously was not allowed to attend the film’s premiere in Atlanta due to segregation.
>>153104702Okay retard.
>>153097810It makes plantation life look not so bad when we know that wasn't the case.
>>153094982it's because it portrays blacks being happy while living in cotton camps or whatever. Rememeber that nowadays the only way to portray blacks in that era is if they're full of rage against their owners, or full of sadness wishing they had something more. Combine both for maximum Hollywood investment.A black being happy at that time???? SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!! BURN HIM IN THE CHAMBERS!!!!!!!!!!
>>153106131Do you shit your pants over every single medial story tat doesn't dwell on how shit it was to be a serf?
>>153103054I don't remember, I haven't watched it in 11 years, would have to give it another watch.
>>153098730Hear hear!
>>153099143That's really interesting! Do you remember what the cover art looked like, if there was any?
>>153094982Because clickbait or like pre-internet proto-clickbait. All you really need to do is add a disclaimer stating:>This movie is depicting the reconstruction era of the post-civil war era and was created during the 1940's, this film does not represent modern values.That's it. You just need to point out that the film is not meant to be racist but can be seen as such and you're off the hook.
>>153106893serfdom isn't comparable to slavery
>>153108237>serfdom isn't comparable to slavery
>>153094982>Like yeah the happy go lucky portrayal of a racist society is a little jarringThat's actually how it was on a lot of smaller farms. You've gotta remember that a lot of them needed all the labor they could get, so the master/boss was right down in the fields working with the slaves/servants. A lot of them ended up becoming pretty close friends just because they spent every day working together like that. It's a big reason so many slaves didn't want to leave their masters when they were freed and stuck around as indentured servants.Black advocacy groups just REALLY don't want people knowing that, because it's counter-productive to their cause if people start having a more nuanced view of slavery than "all slaves were beaten within an inch of their lives daily".Although pity to the unlucky ones who ended up on big corporate plantations.
>>153108318>It's a big reason so many slaves didn't want to leave their masters when they were freed and stuck around as indentured servants.I think 'i literally have no other viable options to support myself and my family besides slavery 2.0' was a far more common reason
>>153108270Not him, but it legitimately isn't. Serfs considered themselves non-slaves and had numerous rights slaves never have. The real equivalent to serfs would be sharecroppers.Also, American chattel slavery distorts how slaves throughout history were viewed. Like if you asked a medieval peasant to describe slavery, he'd probably describe the Ottoman slave trade. And if you asked a medieval monk, he'd describe Roman slaves while making the distinction between educated slaves, agricultural slaves, and miner slaves - the lattermost of which were worked to death. But none of these had any racial connections, and it was not uncommon at all for slaves to be freed by their master when they died. Generational slavery existed, but never lasted long - unlike American chattel slavery.>BUT SERFS WERE TOTALLY SLAVES, THEY WEREN'T FREESome medieval freeman would call modern salary workers slaves.
>>153106226And I sincerely hope Black people continue crashing out and acting bitter and violent. I need this so the world sees more of how African Americans are and why they deserve all the negative stigmas they willingly embrace. Black people did that all to themselves. And the best thing that can happen is Black people give surplus evidence of why they deserve to be hated upon as a race.
>>153108425>The real equivalent to serfs would be sharecroppers.You mean like in the movie, of which the comparison was made?
