Ham Gravy (the original mc of what would become Popeye comics) got his entire life, girlfriend and existence replaced by a random sailor who showed up a few issues in. I find this extremely depressing to think about. Imagine everyone you now forgetting you exist all because a random person you met was more likable than you. Popeye cucked Ham out of his own universe and comic let alone everyone he knew and loved
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>>153108981As an ntr bro this makes me extremely hard
I had no idea Popeye wasn't the original main character. Poor Ham Gravy...
>>153108988>Nana OylWould.
>>153108981One correction, anon: Not a few issues in. TEN YEARS in.
>>153108981Popeye was the original ugly bastard
>>153108988idk seems Olive was the original mc to me, all the cast is about people around her.
>I WILL NOT BE REPLACED!
>>153109140Popeye the sailor man is that good of a character, damn
>>153108981>>153108993Didn't Popeye have his own series where he would fight Bluto and deal with Wimpy? There was a thread on here a few days ago talking about it and how most people don't know Olive Oyl originally wasn't in the comic for quite awhile.If that's the case it's more like he just combined the two strips into one
>>153108981>>153108988...but he looks just like Olive. What kind of incestous bs is this?
>>153108988>looks just like Olive, making him a 100% looksmatched>gets filtered by OliveThis is just like real life! Now make Popeye physically abusive and change spinach to a drug dependency, ahaha.
>>153108981The worst part of this is Popeye has god like powers of strength and stamina meaning you couldn't even OJ Simpson him like I would if this happened to me
>>153108981>Imagine everyone you now forgetting you exist all because a random person you met was more likable than youthat happens irl pretty often believe it or not
>>153108981yeah that's pretty sad, even if it's just a strip. For Nancy, Fritz was still allowed to be a part of the strip even after Nancy took over. Ham is just completely forgotten, but that's what happens when you're boring in comics
>>153108988I didn't know the Popeye movie did a decent job casting Olive's parents
>>153109391Reminds me of something similar blog shit below >8th grade>used to wait for the school bus and a cute girl and some other people would wait there with me>used to always joke around with and especially her, always trying to make them laugh and like me>they find in amusing>few months pass, new kid moves into neighborhood, and he's good looking>without trying he's already more liked by everyone, and especially the girl I liked. First time I really experienced something like that.
>>153108981>Ham Gravy was the original fiancé of the better-known character Olive Oyl, but was often attracted to other women who were considerably wealthy. Ham was depicted as a slacker who preferred getting rich quick rather than earning money honestly. Dude was an asshole, he deserves it
>>153109452Sorry to hear that anon. Hope you have friends now.
>>153109191No, the series started as thimble theater. Like 10-11 years in there was a plot where castor and ham needed to travel to an island. The captain they hired was one Popeye the sailor man. After that story arc he became so popular he was brought back and eventually he got with olive and the strip focused on him and got renamed
>>153108981He went away because he was boring compared to Popeye.
>>153108981Popeye was a more interesting character both in design and in personality Castor was okay though with his plans to get rich.
>>153108981I've been reading through the first few years of the Popeye era of TT. One of the things which struck me as a squandered but golden opportunity was pairing Popeye with Fanny and keeping him confined to sea-farring exploits. Segar could have made a third strip that way, or retired Sappo in the process. Instead he quickly and unceremoniously old yeller's Gravy. With how fully formed Gravy was it makes the decision all the more sudden.
>>153109743>>153109885Say Ham got his own spin off strip, what would you guys do with him? Alot must have happened between the time Popeye stole Olive frommhim and when he ended up a cowboy. I quite like the idea of him ending up more and more of a shameless conman landing himself in ever wilder hijinx.
>>153108981Wally Pipp sympathizes, but says life isn't always fair.
>>153109811The ultimate ntr fantasy
Reminder that Popeye existed in real life and that was such a chad he got his own waifu officially.
>>153109743Ham has become the Meg of the strip.
>>153109811Now animated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM3k9C5cmAQ
>>153108981This could have been ham gravy shaking hands with President Hoover; he was robbed.
>>153108981>>153108988Olive was always an unfaithful whore then.
>>153108981>>153108988Also: Images for ants.
>>153110759What do you all think of Randy Milholland’s run of the strip? Personally, I think it’s so-so. Chuckle-worthy at best, meh at worst. I know there are people who really dislike it, claiming it ruined Popeye, but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as some people say. It's definitely not on the same level as Segar or Tom Sims/Bela Zaboly, but I wouldn’t call it awful either. In my opinion, the "worst run" title should probably go to Hy Eisman instead.
>>153109429>25 bucksInflation is funny
>>153109452That's why you have to be as unpleasant as possible so people who like you have no shot at liking someone else better just cause they're more pleasant.
Why would she pick a normal good slacker who mooched off her and took her for granted over the gruff sailor who could decimate an entire barge with his bare hands and is always willing to defend her
>>153110759>>153111208That artstyle looks weird for Popeye.
>>153110773Cool
>>153109885I liked Castor's earlier personality as the nutty screwball who'd occasionally outwit the sane characters
Castor is legitimately hilarious and his rage faces are the angriest a character has ever looked.
>>153111285Yeah, that's the main gripe I have with his strip; it does not have that classic comic strip style.
>>153111449That's a pretty good one
>>153110773As a fan work that's pretty neat. Would have loved something done in the Fleischer cartoon style.
>>153111468Well you know what they say about men with big noses.
>>153111468
>>153111449Yeah, not sure what that archetype would be besides trickster, but I've always liked happy go lucky characters who are perceived as fools but in some ways understand the world better. A bit like this meme
>>153111766He got her there.
>>153109756It was years ago so it doesn't bother me that deeply, I just remember it cause it made me aware of how effort/=/results when it comes to making friends or getting a gf. Being a clown is one of the worst things you can do to get people to like you >>153111260I think you can still be pleasant, you just have to be able to share interests and have genuine conversations instead of making everything ironic for a cheap laugh, or adopting their values just to be accepted as a friend. I joined a comics club in highschool and left after three meetings after realizing I didn't actually get along with any of the members
>>153111814That's a good trick
>>153111850Based
>>153111766God, he really was a scumbag.
>>153111766how's he gonna get sex now?
>>153108981He's Popeye the sailor man.And he's Ham Gravy... Some people just suck and deserve to be cast aside.
>>153112027He just fucked her a thousand time.
>>153112058but it was just kisses
>>153112108That's a euphemism, anon.
>>153108981Olive fucking sucks. She's a bitch
>>153110759Kek
>>153110759Holy fuck I'm literally Ham. Me and my fiance broke up 5 years ago and I still think about her every day. No other woman understood me but I took her for granted
>>153110759Why is castors daughter Mexican
>>153110759Remember than animu style Popeye comic where ham was the main villain who manipulated everything to get Bernice the whiffle hen and olive back
>>153112498I was wondering that too and why is she called Deezil?
>>153112545They raceswapped his wife and made her into a brown goth. It's really shit.
>>153112565What a weird choice
>>153110757I know he was real but could you elaborate on the waifu bit?
>>153112580Most of these modern strip continuations do retarded shit like that. They're all abysmal. All except for the guy handling Jucika. That guy's a legend.
Does anyone else think it odd there was never an official Popeye capeshit crossover? I know about Captain Strong, but even within KFS' wheelhouse nobody once thought to pit Popeye up with Phantom or Mandrake? We got a Mars Attacks crossover before an official Popeye/Superman team up.
>>153112125oh.
>>153110976Jesus I forget how popular popeye was at his peak, I can't imagine any other comic strip character being popular enough to shake hands with a president
>>153112486Harry-coded post.
>>153110759it's kinda sad
>>153112565>Brown goth>ShitThis is worse taste than olive has
>>153108981>>153108988I don't ever remember seeing Olive's family in the cartoons, are we sure is this not more of a situation were Popeye stole Olive from her OG comic?
>>153112637Not even Superman made it that far. Popeye stands on an echelon reserved for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. I guess south park was right.
>>153112545>>153112565She was named in the 1960's in a Popeye episode even before she was race swapped She is called deezil because diesel oil. All the oils are named after a kind of oilOliveCastorCoalEtc
>>153112735There wasn't cartoon until Popeye came
>>153108981Popye is highly satanic because it prommotea DRUGS
>>153108981It was a decade at least before Popeye showed up. But his inclusion turned the whole thing from a typical farmland comedy with various wacky people doing everyday stuff to an adventure comic where Popeye fought villains and monsters half the time. The Popeye stuff was just plain more interesting.But it is a weird direction to take a normal life comedy comic. Imagine if Hi and Lois or Foxtrot just randomly add in some magic adventurer character and then they take over and the comic stops being about some wacky family but some adventuring guy that fights dragons.
>>153113087Dick Tracy added Moon people eventually. People get bored of the same old sometimes
>>153112604>All except for the guy handling Jucika. That guy's a legend.There's a Jucika dude?! And he's good? Sounds too good to be true.>>153112615There was technically an 'official' Goku x Popeye picture I've seen once.And a seemingly anime inspired Popeye spin off or fan project.
>>153112664That one is weirdly in character for Ham given the strips I've read here.
>>153109452Jealousy is ugly anon
>>153112739I guess that make sense. That answers that at least. Thanks for the info, anon.>>153113087>It was a decade at least before Popeye showed up.It make it weirder honestly.
>>153112604>Most of these modern strip continuations do retarded shit like that. They're all abysmal. I don't know why people say/bring this up, specifically talking about Randy Milholland strip. It not that bad it's just ok, it could be better but it's not the dog shit people say it is.
>>153113923KiwisburnttoastHe even made his own Nancy strip for April Foolshttps://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/kiwisburnttoast/nancy-celebrates-april-1st
>>153113087A similar thing happened to the comic Robotman.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP01pIB99wsShort version of the story is United Features Syndicate got the license for Robotman, wanted him to be in a comic, nobody was taking it till Jim Meddick got it in 1985, then Meddick changed direction by introducing a new character named Monty in 1993, who then became the star of the comic (and Robotman was written out in 2001)
>>153114987Oh he drew that Nancy strip? Giga based
>>153109191Bluto shows up in one story in EC Segar's Thimble Theatre. >>153109811Olive looking for a dime's worth of lattitude is one of my favorite parts of that story
>>153111534Took me a minute
>>153108981He deserves it, the fucker was cheating on Olive every chance he got.
>>153111532The 1st one is so good. Huge presence and appeal. It almost makes me sad that Thimble Theater's staging is nothing fancy because Segar can draw expressions really fucking well.
>>153111208I'm not drawn in by it, but I appreciate his approach to the strip. Milholland's comics in general never resonated with me but I recognize that he's a pretty serious Popeye fan, and I do find it amusing when he inserts a continuity callback to a specific 80+ year old strip. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that cheekiness on the funnies page.>>153111285I never got into Sagendorf Popeye, but I think that's where Milholland is drawing most of his inspiration. The character silhouettes and even his approach to dialogue are reminiscent to Sagendorf. It is still jarring how his original characters have a completely different design sensibility.
>>153108981How are the Bud comics ?
>>153108981>>153112664If this was DC or Marvel this would be Ham's supervillain origin story, so I'm glad it isn't.
>>153108981He's a broken man.
>>153111208I think it's okay. I appreciate his lore deep-diving though
>>153108981>Imagine everyone you now forgetting you exist allSegar himself was on his way to being forgotten until he came up with PopeyeThank god he didn't stick with Ham Gravy or Thimble Theater would be on the heap of long forgotten strips
>>153109285>>153109266That's not her original design. Olive used to be more heavyset and had distinct features from Ham. The designs in general got more streamlined later on, making certain characters look more similar than they initially were.
>>153118793>Olive used to be more heavyset and had distinct features from Ham.It was more like, she was sort-of skinny in 1919 and early 1920 and then got thicker in late 1920 which stuck till the early Popeye years.
>>153112664Damn even Popeye thinks he isn't worth a beatdown
>>153108981>>153108988>no cartoony shonen of Popeye fighting against Ham Gravy and BlutoThis will save American cartoons. Trust.
>>153112739There's coal oíl?
>>153118793heh this one's good
>>153111481That was smart
>>153111525Ham does that Condorito "plop" years before him
you guys ever listened to the popeye radio show
>>153119305that's just a pratfall it's been a comedy trope for a long time at least since minstrel era tmk
>>153111564Damn it Castor
>>153111766What an asshole
>>153111806They are jewish?
>>153111534idgi
>>153108981If I had a nickel for every time a popular series introduced a random sailor well into its run, only for said sailor to become outrageously popular and claim main cast status, I'd have 3 nickels. Which isn't a lot, put it's pretty damn odd that it happened thrice.
>>153111564>>153111534What's with ham gravy and killing little animals?
>>153111840why wouldn't this work?
>>153119691Ar ya countin pirate captains as sailors?
>>153109443I hsve never watched the Popeye movie. Is it worth watching?
>>153112637Garfield or Snoopy are up there, even if they didn't have as much cross-media prominence as popeye did (Peanuts does have the holiday specials I guess). In an alternate timeline where Mondale won after Reagan gets assassinated there would be photos of Mondale with Snoopy taken in the Oval Office
>>153108981Reading through the strips in the thread I get it. This guy fucking sucked. He was funny, sure but he was also a huge prick so him getting cucked out of his own series and love interest by a lovable character who became a cultural icon is both amusing and fitting.
>>153119772Aye, though the captain here both debuted too early and never quite reached core cast member status to count. Still a breakout extra as tvtropes would call it.I'd say Jack Sparrow kinda fits the second half of the phenomenon, if you're one of those people who believe that Will and Elizabeth are the real protagonists of the first film, but in his case he was at least a core member from the start and intended to be so.
>>153119804>Garfield or Snoopy are up there, even if they didn't have as much cross-media prominence as popeye did (Peanuts does have the holiday specials I guess).I think the only thing Peanuts wasn't featured in that Popeye was, was radio. Peanuts didn't have animated theatrical shorts but had the specials on TV and animated films; A Boy Named Charlie Brown, Snoopy Come Home, Race for Your Life, Charlie Brown, and Bon Voyage, Charlie Brown were all originally theatrical.
Is ham gravy the biggest cuck is all of fiction
>>153119120https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_oil
>>153119675He is implying Olive's cooking is so bad that the biscuits will be enough to kill the dog without adding poison, she gets mad and throws him the boulder she was sitting on.
>>153114987that's a really good likeness
>>153109146There's always an uglier bastard.
>>153111242$2,709.54 in today's money.
>>153119691Sailors always work
>>153120717Dark
>>153108981It also happened to Barney Google, didn't it?
>>153119691Crazy how those three are still popular and possible the most loved characters of their respective series
>>153119691Wasn't Poochie a parody on Scrappy-Doo like characters rather than being one himself?
>>153113955Thats not jealousy anon, it’s envy for someone being able to connect to people through no effort. And even then it just made that anon aware of the situation not bitter >>153111956
>>153108981Wasn't he in the live action movie?
Olive's bitchy personality makes a bit more sense in this context, because with her and Ham it's just two assholes dealing with each other, but while Popeye can be a bit aloof and a meathead at times, he's generally always well meaning.
