>>153111014
That’s because she is a baby.

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>>153111014
>Movie version of cartoon
>Same animation with more shadow and slightly longer depth of view

looks so weird

>>153111303
It's a beatiful background painting in front of stick figures.

>>153111014
The problem here is a major problem with Bob's Burgers in general. It's just completely shit at establishing extended cast. It tried several times to give Louise a supporting group of characters but outside Rudy none of them have any presence at all. They'll try to reintroduce them for a moment or episode but by the time the brought them back you'd forgot they ever existed. Who the hell even was Zoe or Chloe or whatever her name was and why do we care that Louise cares what she thinks?

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>>153111038
Movie can't even refute it, Chloe Barbash was 100% right.

>>153111400
It doesn't help that these characters far and few in between.
Jessica was supposed to be Louise's best friend after that slumber party episode and it took TEN YEARS for her to return.

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Looking at how their murder mystery plot need to explain how someone found this dead body, seemingly not realizng that the water main burst would do that already, but also gives an incentive for why the main character, who are the kids and not bob, would be doing an independent investigation into the murder so they came up with Incident A: Chloe calls Louise a baby.
But like >>153111400 said, there's just not a lot of reason to be invested in what some rando said right? Mer personally? I would actually drop the murder mystery plot in favor of trying to get us to care about why Louise would care about what some rando said by focusing on her fears of growing up.
Shouldn't be too hard to being attention that Tina should be going to high school soon, leaving Gene and Louise behind.

>>153111625
Here's an idea for a redux as the movie seems to be anchored by 3 points; the sunny sideup song, Louise being called a baby, and somebody trying to destroy wonder wharf leading Louise to save the day.
>all 3 kids gets their own storylines that converge at the climax
>Louise and Chloe actually buddies up so we can get a reason to care about this rando's opinion, even have her be involved in the climax

>>153111400
The issue with Louise is that she's too smart for the people she hangs out with.
She has no peers her own age. Everyone's just a rube that plays along with her schemes to fuck with adults.
Tragically, that's also one of the reasons that Logan remains one of the best chemistries in the show, because he was one of the few characters smart enough to see through her schtick and say "No". Which is tragic, because even if it works, there's no good way to write an non-related high schooler and elementary schooler hanging out without it being weird.

>>153111303
I never get this, like yeah no shit I want a movie based on a show to look like the show.

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>>153111625
Bob's Burgers feels like it's always just shy of having the profound moment it wants to have. That Mona Simpson moment. Bob's mother is an issue that's been brought up a few times but they always just skirt around it. They'll spend an episode on a crappy anthology and then have someone give a saccharine speech. They never commit. The movie could have been a great way to explore that but instead we get "Hey my mom made that hat and you remind me of her." right before the credits. It's not moving.

>>153111469
>Gets touched by her hot mom once.
>Fucking cums.

>>153111780
>>153111625
IMO, the biggest failing in the movie is a total lack of involvement from Jimmy Pesto. Having him and Bob team up would have done wonders for the play plot and practically writes itself, but unfortunately they were too slow to find a new voice actor

>>153111913
I'm gonna be sexist and say a lot of that reason is because it's a bunch of fucking dudes. Way too many dudes and comedybros who are not capable of being emotionally vulnerable without making a fart sound.

>>153112004
Jimmy Pesto is crap because Bob is not the main character and hasn't been since season 1 which is honestly fine, the show made the right decision on focusing on the kids.

>>153112010
If Tina Belcher was voiced by a woman instead of a guy we would've had that Mona Sumpson moment >>153111913 was talking about already.

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>>153111858
That's actually a big reason why I like Chloe Barbash because she's almost like the same as that, someone who sees through Louise's bullshit.

>>153111014
I liked what I've seen of BB, at least the first three seasons. Real comfy

>>153112103
Except she doesn't show up. Like at all.

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>>153112203
Well she didn't appear out of thin air just for the movie, she showed up in season 7 and has made half a dozen apperances, which may not sound a lot compared to regular sized Rudy but makes her defined enough.

>>153112085
Dan Mintz has done a good job unironically playing a teenage girl but ironically there's a glass celling that stops him from progressing any further.
>every boy is another guy doing a bit
>making Tina's best chemistry with other girls who are just women being natural

>>153112312
Certainly makes her and Louise's relationship defined enough.

>>153112373
>>153112312
It really doesn't

>>153112459
Well you can't really prove a negative here but I can state that Chloe clearly has a defined character and said character has a defined exchange of interactions which you can infer their basic relationship to each other.

>>153112048
>Jimmy Pesto is crap because Bob is not the main character
It doesn't matter if he is or isn't, the pestos contain 4 side characters in the show and the dynamics between the pestos and belchers are consistently funny

>>153112536
The Pestos contain 1 side character as Andy and Ollie are half of one character and they haven't even showed up as part of the friend group since season 2.

>>153112559
Huh. Impressive.
You just made me realize that I don't actually like this series very much.
Good job on that

>>153112657
Well who the fuck was watching it for the pestos in the first place? I always thought that was a dumb rivalry that just wasn't paying off.

>>153111780
>Louise takes up a true crime investigation about this murder carney that has her oribiting the wharf
>Gene wants to do a iddy biddy diddy concert at the band hall keeping him near the wharf
>Tina is doing a summer romance at the beach making her adjacent to the wharf

>>153112836
I like Bob, and I like Bob having a foil.
It gives Bob more dimension

>>153112941
Jimmy Pesto was a terrible foil for Bob as there was zero legitimate competition there, Bob is serving better food and Jimmy Pesto isn't gonna overcome that.

>>153113040
>Bob is serving better food and Jimmy Pesto isn't gonna overcome that.
Pesto is demonstrably more successful, because he's a sell-out.
He's a good foil because he's a constant reminder of what Bob would be if he didn't have heart.

>>153113118
That's such an uncritical of the reality of trying to keep a restuarant afloat.
No other independent restuarant is gonna "outdo" another in savings cost by sacrificing quality, that's something really only feasible with a fast food chain because they would have an entire logistic chain to support that.

>>153113118
>>153113185
If Jimmy Pesto was a small tome franchise owner of a McDonald's ripoff than he would be a good foil but because he isn't then he is not.

>>153113185
It's a repeated theme in the series that one of Bob's biggest flaws is that he lacks the showmanship and flair required to attract the touristy crowd.
Jimmy is successful because he neither has, nor needs repeat customers. His food is just good enough to be mediocre and attract a crowd that comes for the atmosphere, and he gets away with it because he appeals to uncritical masses
It's honestly one of the better underlying themes of the show

>>153113211
It's supposed to be a commentary on tourist destinations and the type of stuff that sells to people who want something local.
Having Pesto also sell burgers would be too on the nose, and having him be a part of a franchise compromises his ego.
Bob is the owner of Bob's Burgers. And Pesto is the owner of Pesto. Even if his real name is Popolovich.

>>153113272
>that one of Bob's biggest flaws is that he lacks the showmanship and flair required to attract the touristy crowd.
You're thinking uncritically again because that isn't bob's flaw at all.
Bob's flaw is that he's lazy. He doesn't serve breakfast and he closes before 7:00 PM, he doesn't have a full menu, he doesn't advertise, he doesn't even talk to customers.
He is what a dumb motherfucker think owning a resturant should be like, you being a home cook and getting paid for it.
Jimmy Pesto is not a good foil to Bob, he's a strawman of what a dumb motherfucker thinks a good restuarant rival is.

>>153113643
Not once have we ever seen an episode about a tourist.
Anyone passing through the town is doing just that, passing through the town because it's the destination.

>>153111913
Mona Simpson was a shit episode and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't. They spend the whole episode justifying his mom abandoning her family because "it was the 60s."

>>153113676
>Bob's flaw is that he's lazy
Horseshit, bob isn't lazy, the fuck are you on about.
Literally the first scene in the show establishes that he missed out on his honey moon, his birthday, and the birth of his children because he was doing all the meal prep by himself.

>>153113749
Bob is lazy and there's no excusing it.
Real chefs who have to clean and do prep by themselves aren't home sitting in a chair by 9.

>>153113712
>Not once have we ever seen an episode about a tourist
There location is right next to a theme park. That's the crowd that Bob's is supposed to be attracting, but he continuously fails at that.

>>153113828
They do if they actually like and take care of their kids.

>>153113844
Then that just kinda proves my point that tourists don't play any part in this show.

>>153113676
>because that isn't bob's flaw at all.
No, it's pretty clear that's Bob's flaw.
The dude's grossly uncharismatic.

>>153113864
Bob and Linda don't really take care of their kids either.

>>153111938
??????

>>153113915
you really cannot prove a nevative so no he isn't.

>>153113888
Well yeah, their absence at Bob's is the part of the show's premise.
The ongoing joke is that Bob has the skills and location to make money, but he fails at it because he and his family are repulsive

>>153113941
Brainrot from tiktok videos and low effort NTR hentais.

>>153113950
>you really cannot prove a nevative
It's not "proving a negative", it's a clear identifying trait of bob and his family. People comment on how he presents himself regularly in the show.

>>153113965
>Well yeah, their absence at Bob's is the part of the show's premise
No it's not, the premise is entirely about Bob and his family.
Let me reiterate because I'm a few steps ahead of you: the show was never once about Jimmy Pesto and his family feuding with the Belchers.

>>153113999
>it's a clear identifying trait of bob and his family.
No it's not and it's weird you even came to this conclusion at all.

>>153114001
>the premise is entirely about Bob and his family
The show is about balancing family and business.
It is a show about Bob's business.
It is a show about Bob's family.
It is all in the title because that is the premise, it is "Bob's Burgers"

>>153114015
>it's weird you even came to this conclusion at all.
I don't know what show you're watching, then. Because it's the premise of nearly every episode that the Belchers rub a lot of people the wrong way just by their mere existence.

>>153114111
No that's what I get at all and in fact seems to the exact opposite where most people like The Belchers.
Seriously, there's at most three people who dislike the belchers.

>>153114156
Most people that are actually familiar with the Belchers like them.
The problem is that they are horrible at first impressions.
They're uncharismatic, but they have good character. Which is why they have good retention on customers, but are poor at attracting new ones.
That's also a heavy theme of the show is that good character is better than good appearances

>>153114259
>That's also a heavy theme of the show is that good character is better than good appearances
That's literal nonsense.

>>153114289
It's literal nonsense if you actively ignore that it's one of the most central themes of the show

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>>153111400
This isnt true at all, the person with no extended cast is Gene. Louise has Logan, Rudy, Millie and Darryl, even before going to the more niche people.

>>153111858
But this person is right, Louise's problem is most of her peers arent her age.

>>153111913
It's not even classic Simpsons, the entirety of Bob's Burgers doesnt have any emotion comparable to a typical Caroline Omine episode of the show right now.

>>153114358
No a theme would be "embrace your weird side" or "be creative ", what you're talking about is ...well nonsense.

>>153114470
Darry is no one's supporting cast but just a job opportunity for Aziz Ansari that didn't panned out for him.
Though if he were to be sorted in someone's supporting cast it should be Gene seeing how they're close in age and enjoy the same type of music.

>>153111014
>crashes out
Dumb zoomer phrase. Thought it meant crashing, like falling asleep. I swear their slang gets more and more retarded by the moment, probably pushed by social media algos.

>>153114470
>>153114507
Rudy and Darryl should be friends with Gene.

>>153114488
>"embrace your weird side" or "be creative "
The Belchers frequently get opportunities to obtain success by being weird, but don't specifically because the means are ethically questionable.
Beefsquatch is a great example, Bob and Gene found a great way to capitalize off of their dynamic, but were forced to abandon it because it came at the cost of their relationship.
Presta tina-o is another example, Tina has the chance to win the talent show but sacrifices it so that she can save Jimmy's act.
Louise manages to successfully rig a counterfeit coin operation but comes clean after she realizes it hurt her teacher's feelings.
Bon sees a serious uptick in business after just hanging up tiki themes in his restaurant, but abandons it because he thinks it cheapens his restaurant.
Linda becomes a psychic, but abandons that after she realizes her advice is potentially hurting people.
The Belchers are weird, but first and foremost they have good character. And they frequently have to sacrifice being eccentric to do that.

>>153114589
>Rudy and Darryl should be friends with Gene.
;P

>>153114627
none of these episodes are about The Belcher showing exemplary character.

>>153114670
All of them are about that, each of them involves putting the interests of others above their own

>>153114538
crashing out just means ruin your life, but it got diluted by people using it for everything
>Thought it meant crashing

>>153114507
I guess its better to put Darryl with nobody, same with Peter Pescadaro and maybe a couple others.

>>153111014
>crashing out
You have to be 18 to post here

>>153114678
No it's not because they all actually did the thing.
Linda did pretend she was psychic right up to the point of being involved with the police, Louise did cheat the rest of her class by counterfeiting coins, Gene did steal Bob's spotlight while Bob did basically poison his son and Tina didn't sacrifice anything at all because Jimmy Jr had no magic act.

>>153114698
>Peter Pascado
Not even a side character so not even worth mentioning.

>>153114698
Really it'd be better if there was a sense of neighborhood that the kids can hang out with other kids.
Oh if only there was like a BEACH or AMUSEMENT PARK WITH A MIDWAY or a BURGER RESTAURANT near the Belcher's work and home where all these kids could hand out and interact.

>>153114757
Yeah. And the message behind each of those points was "Hey, this has gone too far and it needs to be rectified".
The show makes a clear point to demonstrate that these actions have consequences, that the Belchers understand their mistakes, and have the moral compass to stop and recourse when it goes astray.
And most of these episodes have other characters who serve as a clear contrast to show what it looks like if they don't learn their lessons to specifically showcase what poor moral grounding actually looks like.

>>153114852
These actions they took were always wrong, outside of Tina's as she could only have save Jimmy Jr's terrible talent show, so it's not about them showing exemplary character and moral judgment.

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>>153114834
Now that you mention it it's pretty strange just how little the kids hang out at the Belchers.

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>>153114470
Somehow forgot to mention Andy and Ollie, actually let me just go to the wiki and throw something together.

>>153114954
>These actions they took were always wrong
Yes Anon, that's the concept behind "Themes" and "Morals".
You showcase why poor behavior is objectionable, and you either punish the participant or you have them rectify their actions. It's how you drive a plot with a theme, because if you don't have a conflict to begin with then there isn't a story.
"Never be wrong" is neither realistic nor sound advice, and is not the theme of this show.

>>153115072
Ironically it's Logan who capitalize the most from it by briefly turning the restuarant a teen hotspot.

>>153115111
But these are themes or morals but shenanigans

>>153115072
I'd definitely put Susmita under Tima's friends group but I'm also of the opinion that her and Louise should share Thinder girls while Tina should also hangs out with the junior lifeguards while Louise should go back to the gold dragons.
I also think Gene should've stick to cheerleading.

>>153115527
There's a lot of overlap in general, at this point Tina's main group is friends with all the kids, but they're still "Tina's group" if that makes sense. And I'd say the Thunder Girls are now Tina episodes, but I can see what you mean. Some of the individual characters in it could lean slightly more Louise. As it stands it looks like Tina alone has two groups of characters and Gene is struggling with just two characters.

I also admit I forgot which character Susmita came into the show hanging out with and so didnt know where to place her.

>I also think Gene should've stick to cheerleading
certainly fits him, and gives him a second group of characters.

>>153115810
It's interesting to think that Gene could be better friends with Tammy and Jocelyn than Tina.

>>153115810
gene has no friends because he has no personality

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>>153115971
>who needs personality when you got a butt this big?
And it's that exact personality that would make him BFFs with Tammy and Jocelyn.

why does she wear that stupid bunny hat?

>>153115971
If Gene has no personality then no one does.

>>153116604
The ironic thing is that it's probably the exact opposite where Gene doesn't have any friends because he has too much personality.

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>>153115072
We got kid krew 2.0 going on too.

>>153116147
And FWBs with Logan.

>>153115648
They need to get BIGGER. So big she starts lactating. Especially in the middle of class...

>>153112123
Seasons 1-5 are good.
Then it’s a mixed bag.
Then it drops off a cliff.

>>153117621
There's some banger Tina episodes through season 7-10 though.

>>153117621
Last few seasons has been a return to form.

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>>153118324
This episode is a good reason why they should let kids hang with other kids.
>Louise being introspective if she's a good person
Fucking bor-ing!
>Louise playing games with an older boy who bullies her and her sisters
Wow! Now these are kids being kids!

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>>153115284
... The fuck does being a shenanigan have to do with anything?
It's still core plot of the episode, delivered with introduction, exposition, conflict, and resolution.

You're just making up mutual exclusions where they don't exist because otherwise, you'd have to admit that you're wrong on an anonymous cartoon forum

>>153118604
I am not wrong about this, none of those are moral lessons or part of a greater theme, there's nothing about them that says something deeper about the belchers.

>>153115072
>Now that you mention it it's pretty strange just how little the kids hang out at the Belchers
Yeah and the school is so close that the belchers usually walk so what the fuck is going on here?

>>153111014
Kids at that age will crash out if people call or treat them like a baby

>>153118703
>I am not wrong about this
No, you're pretty wrong about this. You deflected to calling the entire plot a "shenanigan", which isn't any type of literary term. And you're resorting to this because you have poor comprehension and took up an indefensible position

>>153118890
You're the one on the backfoot here.

>>153111913
"Mother Simpson" was disingenous, maudlin shit.

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>>153111858
>there's no good way to write an non-related high schooler and elementary schooler hanging out without it being weird.
Make it weird.

>>153118903
Welp, you got me there Anon.
Guess you win. Later!

>>153118973
Weird but also commonplace if those 80s movies are anything to go on by and Louise maybe on the more younger side than how these things usually went down but you can't tell me it didn't happen.

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>>153119466
And it probably went down just like it did with Louise and Logan where you got a little girl wanting attention from an older boy and then getting it.

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>a little girl wanting attention from an older boy and then getting it.

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>>153119628
>oh no I'm just a little girl
>plsplsplsPUH-LZ DO IT

>>153115072
>>153118751
You can actually go back and see that wonder wharf and the beach is a popular teen hangout so nobody is putting 2 and 2 together here to find out that Bob doesn't need to be struggling.

Is this show still on air?

>>153118576
>*both rock-hard and moaning*

>>153119900
Coming back this month...on the 26th.
THOUGH WITH EUGENE MIRIAM BEING IN A CAR WRECK WHO THE FUCK EVEN KNOWS NOW.

>>153119985
No dummy it's clearly states that they're laughing fucking idiot can't even fucking read.

>>153118973
>>153119628
Logan and Louise are good friends/foils but as a ship it fucking sucks even outside the obvious

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>>153111014
Tina and Gene are terrible at backing Louise up.
I can understand this probably happens a lot but that just means you should be more ready when it goes down.

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>>153120171
Watch out, the king's navy is here to tell us what's a proper ship is.

>>153120171
>but as a ship it fucking sucks
Nah, it's a great ship if you ignore the obvious. It's got passion to it.

>>153120254
>ignore the obvious
I place bright flashing neon lights next to the obvious.

>>153120254
The natural chemistry between them is just so good.

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>>153117353
God I love her

>>153111014
Femoid moment.

>>153120382
i see you're a man of taste

>>153120342
You're welcome to all you want, my dude.
It's not our fault that Louise is the only MC in cast that isn't voiced by a man.

>>153120186
To be fair, getting called a baby and having your older brother bail you out is not a winning move, and Louise tends to pick fights that neither Tina or Gene are capable of handing.

>>153120687
Belcher together strong!
Seriously, Tina and Gene together should be strong enough to take on Logan.

>>153120613
>It's not our fault that Louise is the only MC in cast that isn't voiced by a man.
Oh like that stops anyone...

>>153120709
Logan is a high school male.
Realistically, he could easily take a 13 year old girl and 11 year old boy in a fight.
They made the right assessment telling Louise to just avoid him.

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>>153120582
She's the dancing queen/only just thirteen/kinda scary and mean, oh yeah!

>>153120749
At the same time though? With Louise stabbing him in the sides with a plastic spork? I don't think so bud, even a jaguar can be taken down by river otters.

>>153120762
Weight brackets exist in wrestling for a reason, even a 5lb difference is a huge gap in strength. Logan would seriously injure any of them with a single punch.

>>153120886
Logan maybe tall but he's also skinny so Tina and Gene together probably outweigh him.

>>153120915
Together? Definitely.
The question is if any of them can punch strong enough to hurt him. That's where weight comes in

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>>153111303
And bigger setpieces, don't forget that.

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>>153121019
>The question is if any of them can punch strong enough to hurt him

>>153121074
Was that fucking Bort!?

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>>153121149
>The question is if any of them can punch strong enough to hurt him

>>153120740
To be fair, Louise and Logan's voice actors are together in real life.
So even in the most literal sense, it makes a difference for why people ship them.

>>153111858
The easy way would be to just have him be the baby sitter, or have him get a job at the restaurant if he's old enough. The biggest issue with bob's burgers is making the restaurant struggle. Let them have success enough that they aren't in danger of losing the store but not so much success that they can retire. Really the store would be a great place for recurring characters, outside Teddy how many regulars do they have? And he's the handyman who does work for them...

>>153121547
>have him get a job at the restaurant if he's old enough
They tried that already. He's too antagonistic and his mother is overbearing

>>153121694
Ironically, in that same episode, it's revealed that Gene and Tina actually get along pretty well with Logan, and Gene goes as far as pointing out that Louise is probably going to hook up with him in their 30s

>>153121547
the store has less regulars than it used to, Mort and the mailman show up less often

>>153121694
>He's too antagonistic
And Louise isn't?

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>>153121694
I think Louise and her future mother-in-law would get along great, to Linda's consternation.

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>>153121897
Cyn and Louise, just two bad bitches shittalking Logan in a loving manner over a sunday brunch.

>>153121861
Louise is antagonistic, but Logan was actively provoking her by farting on her. Repeatedly.

>>153111014

This show is highly satanic because it reveres the poor

>>153121951
She was hiding in the walls!