I’ve seen this hashtag online of #DCsoWhite on how DC sucks when it comes to their black characters.But Marvel ain’t exactly better. Both the Black Panther space miniseries and the Ultimate Black Panther have ended.Storm is about to end with a miniseries.Miles Morales latest run already ended.Blade’s intoning and Blood Hunt event ended years ago.When’s the last time Luke Cage or Monica Rambeau had a solo series?Or Blue Marvel? It’s been over a 15 years since a War Machine series of any kind.I do see Bishop with a new miniseries though. On the flip side, DC has the current Absolute Green Lantern series.John Stewart is starring in GLC.Mr Terrific is leading Justice League Unlimited.Cyborg will be the last remaining Titan with Nightwing in New Titans.
Black romance
>>153112628Static shock Green lantern and Cyborg mog the entirety of the marvel's laughingly bad black rosterStorm is aight though
Cloak and Dagger feature on Marvel Rivals
>>153112628Black characters don't sell booksCompanies shouldn't be obligated to release books that don't sell just to pander to a group of people who don't even buy them
DC tends to have smarter black heroes.Mr Terrific, Steel, Bumblebee, Dr Midnite, Hardware, and Cyborg are all geniuses in their fields.Marvel has Blue Marvel, Black Panther, Shuri and Ironheart.
DC couldn’t even maintain an all black Power Company team.
>>153112837DC will never let them get top tier
>>153112628Marvel's better but not by a lot. They have a few black characters they give some consistent play in Black Panther (if he's not in a solo he's in Avengers), Storm (will be present at least), Miles Spider-Man (Spiderverse popularity really pushed gave Miles a huge boost). But Blade, Doctor Voodoo, Photon, Misty Knight, Blue Marvel, Luke Cage, Patriot and others are all starving even if they get some play once in a while.
>>153113036Should have confirmed this for 24 issues if boring Absolute Flash and JSA can get that much with shitty sales.
>>153112873Moon Girl? Also people barely know those characters
>>153113233True about Moon Girl.
>>153113156Static and Cyrborg are midcarders. Hal has better stories so he’ll always eclipse John until he gets stories on part with blackest night, parallax etc. Hardware deserves a push tho. That nigga’s badass. He mogs that nerd Iron Man
>>153113338It always amused me when Milestone was going for the popular white superhero tropes to give them own spin on, they went withSuperman = IconSpider-Man = StaticBut instead of Batman, they went with Iron Man = HardwareWhat would a Milestone character homage to Batman look like?
>>153113338It’s hard to John Stewart and Steel to ever eclipse Superman and Hal in their own franchises.black Mr Terrific has for sure eclipsed the golden age one. But Nubia will never eclipse Diana as Wonder Woman.
>>153112628The only black character with clout from Marvel is Morales, but because he's so big it raises the profile of other black marvel heroes. Without that element Marvel and DC are about par with each other when it comes to using their black protags.
>>153112824not all of them
>>153113440Black Dynamite but taken seriously. His parents get killed by accident because of gang violence or something, but he makes it out the hood and joins the CIA, then leaves because he realizes the CIA only does evil shit, and he wants to make a real change
>>153112628>I’ve seen this hashtag online of #DCsoWhiteLiterally just a small group of people upset there aren’t fifty books with black characters and black writers.All they want is Future State again and again
>>153113793Yeah I’ve been noticing black comics fans are getting uppity recently
>>153113784CIA would never take on a black man during that time.
#DCsoWhite
>>153112628Marvel is better with just Storm and Black Panther. They're orders of magnitude higher profile than John and Vixen. Hell, Blade is higher profile than John and Vixen.
>>153113926Ain't no way they give diddy the terminator a fucking book before a Black character#DCSoWhite
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>>153113555Literal retardMiles is in third place, maybe?Storm and T'Challa are far more mainstream and popular.
>>153114022Black Lightning had his own show.
>>153112628Steel will forever be my nigga
>>153112628marvel straight up has better black heroes and they've had better runs than DC's. DC's black heroes are bland and feel like they were made/written to always be support characters even in their own stories. The only real exception is Static who wasn't even theirs and has been fumbled for years
>>153114087>Storm and T'Challa are far more mainstream and popular.So why don't they have ongoings? Miles' series only just ended in January while Storm only got 12 issues and the last ongoing for 616 Black Panther ended in 2024>b-but Ultimate Black PantherThey didn't need to cancel Amazing Spider-Man to do Ultimate Spider-ManI'm getting more convinced the people using "Discrimination Comics" are Marvel plants trying to attack DC to make everyone distracted from noticing Marvel has more serious problems
>>153114804Storm got 12 issues because Brevoort's a retard who shut down the line for 3 months on a shitty event.
A chad move by DC would be to hire the Storm writer for a Vixen series, once the current Storm mini ends.
>>153114941Ayodele...
>>153114804Do you think popularity starts and ends with "has a solo ongoing at this exact moment"?
>>153114804>I'm getting more convinced the people using "Discrimination Comics" are Marvel plants trying to attack DC to make everyone distracted from noticing Marvel has more serious problemsYou realize that the people who have been making "Discrimination Comics" jokes are also the same people who will criticize Marvel constantly cancelling their ongoings at 10 issues>>153114941Unless an editor steps in and tells him to stop waste pages on filler and constant flashbacks and flashforwards, absolutely not
>>153113861>he doesnt know
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>>153115371No idea why DC is sleeping on their Milestone and Wildstorm characters
>>153115537
>>153115537they can barely make decent stuff for their big titles who carry them. Expecting anything from the lesser stuff is delusional
>>153115537DC doesn't want to waste money on a line that won't sell. John Stewart, black Batman and Black Lightning can barely sell but you think they'll put out an Icon book?
>>153112628I don't think much of the black characters on either side really. DC has Static who is the goat black comic character but they don't do shit with him. However looking at these images side by side the Marvel at least looks a bit stronger.
DC really needs to put out a solid mostly black team that doesn’t fall under the Trinity’s orders.>Mr Terrific, Steel, Green Lantern Stewart, Vixen, Black Lightning, Bumblebee, Mal Guardian, Nubia, Huntress, Hawkgirl, Dr Mist, Superwoman, kid Flash and Avery Ho Flash.
>>153112628It's not necessarily a white-black thing, it's a "DC tends to neglect the hell out of their B-listers in general thing"Also Twitter deliberately ignores Absolute Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps for some reason.
>>153115537Milestone characters are caught up in ownership issues.
>>153116506Your team is weird as fuck choices.
>>153116640It’s because they don’t actually read comics
I guess she’s on the Justice League now instead of the Titans.
>>153116640>It's not necessarily a white-black thing, it's a "DC tends to neglect the hell out of their B-listers in general thing"It is because of the damage of Didio's tenure, it solidified the universe around a handful of characters, and screwed up minorities in general.An infamous example is what happened to Ryan Choi, his death caused a huge controversy back then.
>>153112628They have Luke cage and storm. Who does DC have, black green lantern, black ww, black superman. And cyborg and vixen. It's no contest
>>153112854There used to be a good amount of black comic fans, not sure if they all went to Manga but yeah
>>153118289Dammit
>>153112628I'd say so.The main reason is because it's really hard to set up new characters. Very few superheroes introduced post 2000 have taken off.And while Marvel introduced a litany of popular black heroes in the 70s-90s, DC really didn'tThey added Jon Stewart, Mr. Terrific, Vixen I guess. And that's the list. Though I think DC might be better with Latino characters. Although there are still hardly any Super Spics. DC has Jessica Cruz, one of the Blue Beetles, and one of the Questions. And I don't think I can name any latino Marvel characters outside of technically Miles Morales. I've always loved Latin American culture. Probably because my papa was Mexican-American. I think that whole region is really neat.
>>153113233>>153113310So what's Moon Girl's deal? Is she related to Moon Knight?
>>153119634No.They have nothing in relation.She’s an Inhuman.
>>153114804>So why don't they have ongoings?This is Marvel we're talking about, no character has a true on going. Fucking Iron Man doesn't have an ongoing.Moon Knight has had something resembling an ongoing for a few years. Don't know why. (not that I'm complaining, I love Moon Knight)
>>153119646So why is she called Moon Girl? Isn't that really confusing?It's like if Superwoman had no connection to Superman
>>153119619
>>153119619Marvel
>>153119134Yeah, just see future state, where the future of dc was just derivatives of the main league with some odd balls here and there.
>>153119663She has relation tot he previous hero Moon Boy, Created by Jack Kirby.That’s like saying why aren’t The Atom and Captain Atom connected.Or why isn’t Phantom Lady and Phantom Girl connected.Because they just aren’t.
>>153119664Now I'm much more of a DC guy than a Marvel guy, but I feel there's a difference in prominence here.>>153119664I can recognize 7 or so characters on this list>>153119672And I only recognize two on this list.And one of them is America Chavez, and her book was so awful I'm not even sure she should count. Do you think they regret naming her America 'Chavez' now that it's been revealed Cesar Chavez was a rapist and a pedophile. (and a pedophile rapist.) Is this just me having not read any X-Men comics, or are the Marvel Latinos way less prominent?
>>153119686There's both a phantom lady and a phantom girl? That's retarded.And 'moon boy' may be the worst superhero name I've ever heard in my life
>>153119722How can you not know these characters?They’ve been around since the 1940s, 1960s and 1970s.
>>153119708How do you not know Miguel O'Hara? He's been around since the 90s and was in the Miles 2 movieMost the time you forget a Marvel character is Latino until someone orders food or is from California. To be honest beyond the ones mentioned in our posts I only recognize Roberto/Sunspot
>>153119845I've never heard of Miguel O'Hara in my life.Nor have I seen any Spider-Man movie.Or read any Spider-Man comics.I never liked Spidey.>>153119765>They’ve been around since the 1940s, 1960s and 1970s.Yeah so have Bullet man, 711, and The Shield. But that doesn't make them famous or memorable
>>153118237Puerto Rican
>>153119708There’s almost no Latino marvel or dc characters but you don’t see us complaining
>>153119722They're totally different characters and one was not even created by DC
>>153114603Blade had 3 movies, an anime and a video game, and he's been in a ton of other shit, especially games.
>>153112628DC has better black characters only because marvel had 2 decades (3 if you count the 2010s) where white writers really went all in on the blaxploitation angle.Of course all this hashtag stuff is perpetuated by people who don't even read comics in the first place so I don't get why it's a problem. Marvel and DC should log off the internet and focus on MAKING GOOD COMICBOOKS
>>153120588Blade also had a show...It was pretty good
>>153119845Miguel is not Latino. I get that nobody reads the comics but he's literally a Ginger stepson of a Latino man
>>153119708America isn't Latino. She's an alien from the lesbian dimension
>>153119619I though DC ate Milestone and got their characters that way
>>153120658Milestone writers were smarter and kept the copyright, dc has the license
>>153112628>Is Marvel really better than DC with black characters?Not only currently but historically. It's okey, nobody bats 1.000
>>153114804Storm is not only the most prominent black character of Marvel. You could argue that she is the most prominent female character of Marvel. Thanks to the X-men dominance in the 90's, the character was basically coasting it for the last 25 years and still being culturally relevant.
>>153112854Almost nobody sells books anymore because the market is full of hostile dipshits who just want nostalgia wank and then get pissy when it doesn’t live up to their childhood standards. The fandom is entirely toxic now. And then there’s the whole I WANT X BUT WHEN YOU GIVE IT TO ME I SAY I HATE IT AND WON’T BUY IT shit.
>>153120650I thought that got retconned
>>153115537>>153115854At least with Milestone, those are not DC characters and they gain barely nothing to promote them. Wildstorm characters, go and ask Jim Lee. Maybe he wants to recuperate them at some point.
>>153120640It's the same thing like saying like Kyle Rayner is latino.
>>153120612>DC has better black characters only because marvel had 2 decades (3 if you count the 2010s) where white writers really went all in on the blaxploitation angle.And because DC has the tendency of making all the Black superheros technology or make them clearly support characters. Even the Justive League Detroit had a tech whiz and support character that was a black dude: Dale Gunn. That is basically the problem of Mal Duncan that had his advantage of the first black superhero of DC squandered.
>>153112628Quantity versus Quality.
>>153121304Okay
>>153119908No one alive remembers reading them when they came out.
>>153119908>Bullet man,He got in the james Gunn superman AND parodies in the tick
>>153119664>>153119672zambosindiosmestizos
>>153119722Phantom Lady is a WW2 era hero. I believe she's from a world where Nazis won WW2 and is part of the resistance.Phantom Girl is a member of the Legion of Superheroes, which takes place in the distant future (year 3000 +)
>>153121304If we go by the 'quantity vs quality argument', an argument could be made that Marvel beats DC in both.There is a perception (right or wrong) that DC doesn't push or elevate their Black (and minority) heroes or will pay lip service to the idea of pushing them and backtrack when fans complain.Marvel on the other hand pushes their Black heroes and don't care about backlash, which is why a lot of people on /co/ have issues with them.
>>153114804>all that textHey pal whatever happened to poison ivy defense league? do you remember the tumblur wars?
>>153116506Jesus, stop being racist, why all those character will hang togehter? remember tachala and the crew? or agent of atlas? stop doing thatit is like marvel or dc take all their hispanic américan chacteres and now thye made:Andanle! andale! y los andinos superheroes con el poder de los dioses mayas y andinos.
>>153119664>latinos de africaGo to Bolivia pal and said that to them, you will get a huge surprise
>>153119672TOPKEK, tell me just a single time that milei morales has been refered as latino inMarvel comicbooks instead being a Mbappe? since his creation by Bendis in 2011.
>>153112628Yes in that they pump out 5-10 books for every C lister imaginable. Marvel is also more team based so you're more likely to at least have a nonwhite character on panel talking.DC is basically the same ~30 characters getting page time across 15 books Batman/Dick/Jason/Tim/Damian/Babs for Batman, Supes/Kara for Superman, Wondy/Donna for Wonder Woman, Hal/John/Guy/Jess/Kyle for GL, Barry/Wally/Bart for Flash, Kory/Raven/Vic/Gar for Titans, Jay/Alan for JSA, Zatanna/Constantine for magic. Occasionally you might get something different like Terrific being the main character of JLU now, or DC trying to let a C lister have a book, but it never lasts long.
>>153123196Kyle will be castizoFire same castizaPedro criollo, same goes for aztekIn Marvel:all of those mestizos are mestizo as you said
>>153124428She was created by Bendis, his race fetish surpass demographics
I'll say thisUnless your name is Blade or Static, Black Superheroes doesn't sell for kids. For adults? is another 500Miles ONLY sells because he has the name spider-man all over it and people were retarded and too brainwashed to see the difference, now the illusion died out and miles on a full free fall with no one buying anything anymore. Spawn only sold because Al Simmons was human BBQ in spawn suit all times and people were fed up with marvel while DC was kicking with good shit at the 90's, when marvel bankrupted the industry with the speculator and collectors crash.DC tainted John Stewart's legacy, Mr. Terrific is still a midcarder, and all other black superheroes are a mess, and DC isn't going to license Vixen to a japanese to do justice with her out of fear she isn't going to sell.Also Black Batman FAILED because DC learned that unlike Spider-Man that Bruce Wayne is too strong, no matter how they try to put him down, Batman is Bruce Wayne and Bruce Wayne is Batman, Just as Terry McGinnis is Batman Beyond/Batman of The Future, his approved and beloved Legacy.
>>153112628Since Absolute is basically the only non-Batman thing that sells, DC unironically needs to make an Absolute team book and put a bunch of B-Z list black characters in it.>Terrific being the leader who gets them all together>Black Lightning being the lancer>Bumblebee being a semi-mad tech savvy scientist>Vixen being the physical powerhouse>Doctor Mist as the token magic user>Beth Chapel/Dr Midnite as the team medic>B plot of Thunder, Lightning, Blaqualad, Tanya Spears, and Jakeem Thunder doing some shit>storyline about the Amazing Man lineage being suppressed (make Will Jr Amazing Man II as opposed to his mainline version and make the second grandson a great grandson instead, for four total going back to WWII)>try to salvage some characters or make them important civilians like Ryan Wilder, Bea Bennett, or NorthwindAnd then they can do it for their latino and asian characters too.A lot of the characters do have some fans but not enough to support a solo, and DC is too obsessed with some combo of Bats/Supes/GL/Flash/Amazons taking up 75% of their team rosters at any given time so most of them aren't in team books either.
>>153124755You might be onto something anon. If you had to pick just one for a Absolute solo who'd it be?
>>153124928Either Vixen or Black Lightning
>>153113156>DC will never let them get top tierThey pushed Cyborg on the Justice League so fucking hard to the point of retconning his Teen Titans history, they did this in the comics and movies. And Terrific was in the latest Superman movies and is getting a push in the comics. What do you mean by 'let' them by top tier? DC tried/tries.
>>153125465Cyborg was only in the league to keep John out of it.
>>153124755Actually using the bee outside of the cartoons?! That's crazy!
>>153125580>TT03>TTG>DC Superhero Girls v1>DC Superhero Girls v2>that Vixen webtoonYou'd think she was at least a reliable team filler character the way she gets used outside of mainline comics.
Marvel has Black Characters, DC has Characters who are Black.
>>153126121Ikr
>>153125465They put him there but they barely tried pushing him. The most attention he had in the title was the Forever Evil tie in where he worked with the Metal Men and having a few pages of forced friendship with Captain Marvel. He was easily the least important member on the team in the long run.They also fucked up his first solo because they took Reis off of it too early in order to try to push the JLA book with Killer Frost. Sales plummeted after he left. They should've at least locked him in for 12 issues or at least replaced him with another popular artist.
>>153124755Does DC even have enough recognizable/half way popular latino and asian heroes for team books like that?Especially ones that aren’t tied to the big franchises with ongoings. Eg Cass would probably more likely be held/embargoed so she could be introduced in Absolute Batman.
>>153119664Where would Aquagirl be?
>>153126400>AsianRavagerKatanaDr Light (Kimiyo)Ryan ChoiCheshire (to pander to the fans who want her more sympathetic like she was during 1999 Titans/YJ cartoon and before she blew up Qurac)Element WomanSolsticeQuiz KidRoundhouseCharacters who appeared in less than 15 issues like Ri or Peacock>LatinoRenee was already turned into a bitchy homewrecker, but I guess they could keep her as a civilian character or have being Question be more a penance thingFireVibeJaimeBunkerAquagirl (Lorena)MiragePanthaSidewaysEl DiabloCharacters who appeared in less than 15 issues like Azucar or Osita
>>153119664Main earth Kendra isn't afro latino. Her Earth 2 version was though.
>>153126239>He was easily the least important member on the team in the long run.This is a great feat considering wonder woman was also there.
>>153126786You’re right. Pantha would be in that spot. Especially to differentiate her from white Latina Yolanda Montez.
>>153126947Diana became more important starting with Amazo Virus due to Johns having actually read some of her comics in prep for her movie.
>>153126999DC has started coloring Yolanda with more melanin like she originally was colored, before she became Wildcat. They kept the redhair too.
>>153126732They could make Lilith asian like she was originally supposed to be.
>>153127065She looks white Latina to me from the latest JSA issues she was in.Some people even mistook her for Starfire.
>>153127182They could still do that even with her current appearances. We know her father is Mr Jupiter but post-crisis we don’t know who her mother is.It could be a case like Irey West.Her mother is Asian, but she inherited her father’s eyes and hair.
>>153119664>>153126732I thought Godspeed was fully Native American.
>>153120650>>153121123>Her origin was later retconned, revealing that she was born on Earth to scientists attempting to cure her of a disease
This remains me that there are some fans that want Arsenal revealed to be half Native American or Native American descent on his mother’s side.The reason being that we’ve never seen anything about his mother and that after his father Roy Harper Senior died, he was raised by his godfather Brave Bow on the Native American reservation.
>>153127709Titty Scandal Savage
>>153113036Black Justice team would have been dope
DC's complete fumble of Milestone reboot still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Big Bang being a high school BLM rally that turns violent because of a black guy is just comically (lol) out of touch
>>153129086Orange boobs!
>>153113189Which is a great example of how marvel drops the ball hard. They manage to make characters more than just X but black (exception miles) and fail to do anything with them after a writer establishes them.
>>153114804Nobody gives a shit about comics. They're just kept around out of momentum and a jobs program. Storm and BP are probably the most popular black supers out of DC and Marvel right now.
>>153116649They resolved that a few years ago. They've been printing some new stuff like the Static/Batman Beyond book.>>153115537You don't want them to write it. Wildstorm is just background filler, thrown to crap writers who rework them, or used to meet their gay quotas.
>>153115371I got a rocket for her booty.
>>153129889
>>153112628If DC were smart they would spin off a Bronze Tiger series from the current Batgirl ongoing.
>>153130260Ouchies!
>>153118237Yummy
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>>153112628I guess. I don't care.
>>153127709Weather Wizard is a surprise
>>153112628DC panders to Mexicans better than Marvel.
>>153124399The Ivy defense league still exist but don't really call themselves that anymore. They shit on GWW's Poison Ivy book all the for the stupidest reasons. The latest one was Harley dressing as Jackie O for a gag.>>153124755I'd earnestly give that a shot ngl, I love Absolute and elseworlds in general and DC is sorely lacking in elseworlds that aren't Batman or Superman related.Use some literally who black villains too like Papa Midnite, Red Lion, Mr Bones, Gardner, Houngan, Cyborgirl, etc while you're at it.
>>153135075Huh?
>>153135330Black Manta
>>153112628No, a lot of people still think of Marvel as if they are still in the Alonso era. Yoshida doesn't care about anything other than minmaxing.
>>153112628ive seenmost of the characters on the marvel side in books in the last few years. on dc my girl empress is just fucking GONE. last seen taking care of her parents a few world reboots then nothing. did she even show up in the young justice show? then theres baby power girl, what even happened to her? on the flip, they made mr terrific a major league mem and a big part of the last superman movie where he was well recieved, so although i dont like how little theyve done, i got to give them credit for at least trying, because lord knows fanboys would be happy with no black people in comics
>>153140519Unfortunately Anita Fite is confined to tied to the PAD Young Justice comic era so don’t expect to ever see her again.Especially since PAD himself gave her the excuse to be raising her parents from infancy than being a superheroine.Powergirl Tanya Spears could come back. They used her in Future State a couple of years ago.But which comic would use her?Deathstroke and Teen Titans are going in different directions than using an obscure character from the past.But there’s always a potential JLU appearance .
>>153140519The Young Justice cartoon isn't about Young JusticeIt's about Greg Weisman's autistic history of DC fanfic timeline
Marvel has better black roster while DC has better superheroine roster.Still DC has great ones but outside Static shock , those work better as team characters like cyborg or lighting
>>153141099you think people are afraid to touch pad characters since hes dead? weve at least seen spirit since young justice ended>>153141192but didnt he give arrowette a cameo at least? empress missing is wierd as hell when all the others(sans slo-bo) have appeared
>>153141099>New Spiderman writer learn the worse thing about PAD(killing side characters)>Spiderverse retards used Miguel as an antagonista(which is hilarious how a corporation is using Miguel to his Miles's shilling , like those fucker never read 2099 to understand the irony)>Tried to ignore Linda >His Aquaman felt to be sorta ignore too, his story go from Death of a prince to subdiego to GeoffOnly his Hulk seems to Survive but people use more Pak and infernal
>>153141269I assume you mean Secret.And that’s because her co-creator Todd Nauck uses her when he can.
Bump
Is she black or white post-flashpoint?
>>153144237she's always italian they just make her swarthier
>>153141269>you think people are afraid to touch pad characters since hes dead?The YJ kind of got the short end of the stick in general.
>>153144268Angle Man is the same way
>>153124684Cyborg via TTGO proves your statement incorrect . Kids love that shit
