It's really the biggest waste of potential I've ever seen

>>153120980
Its three parts
>Hate it for all the gay shit
>Hate it because we wanted an episodic sinner of the week show (same kind of issue as Helluva)
>Hate it because we followed it from the pre-pilot days and Viv dumping the OG cast to be a starfucker alongside her other behavior since then
Mix and Match these three reason in different ratios to get the average people /here/ who hate the show

>>153120980
>show is named after the hotel project meant for sinner rehabilitation
>it's actually about tumblr sexymen raping each other

>>153120980
>"we"
it was made as a fan project to sell merch and attracted 14 year old girls.
if youre not a 14 year old girl and follow the show seriously, youre a fucking idiot

>>153120980
The one character I want to get off too is the only female character that doesn't get art from coomer artists.

Which one?

>>153121160
its right there in the op.

>>153121168
Angel Dust is a guy

>>153121100
There's not enough sexyman rape, I am disappoint

>>153121160
Mimzy, I'm lucky Emily gets anything since she's me other target of lust. Mind you I couldn't force myself to watch this show since the few bits of Helluva my friends made me watch really weren't for me.

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i just want her show

Vivziepop is proof that every negative stereotype of women in entertainment is true. Mike Lazzo was right.

>>153120980
I liked the episode I saw

>>153120980
Making a story about angels being the bad guys is something only tried by morons who know nothing about religion but want to seem like they're more intelligent than they are

Did this show move past wanting to be an anime?

>>153120980
I thought the premise was interesting at first, but it turned out to be way too much of this >>153121100.

In retrospect, I guess I should've seen it coming.

>>153120980
I actually loved it but the og voice actors getting thrown under the bus left a bad taste in my mouth and made me feel like vizie is just another person trying to make it big on a mountain of bodies

HB S1 > HH S1 > HB S2 > HH S2

>>153120980
I don't hate it. I like musicals, cartoons, and melodrama.

>>153120980
Too many gays

How unbelievably much dick the fans ride over Vivziepop, impossible to say anything even remotely close to negative without a literal army wanting you dead immediately.

>>153121370
It really doesn't help that Vivzie herself can't take criticism

>>153121443
That adds a monumental amount of fuel to fire, and reminds me, she doesn't control her fans. They get someone to kill themselves, and she ignores it.

I'd watch the show, but I would rather not want to be associated, even barely, with such a vile creator and/or fanbase.

I watch TADC, because Gooseworx regularly controls their fans, to the best of their abilities anyway. TADC has it's own problems, but at least the creator isn't a monumental PoS. (That I am aware of)

>>153120980
It's popular.

>>153121487
Yeah Gooseworx is a lot more level-headed than Vivziepop, only had one breakdown on social media and then apologized for it and told their fans not to harass anyone over it, meanwhile Vivziepop gets pissy over every little thing criticizing her shows, even lighthearted jokes from actual fans

>>153121487
>They get someone to kill themselves, and she ignores it.
I mean that really isn't her problem

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>>153120980
Sunk cost fallacy

>>153121700
You're right, I meant it more like, at the very least she could apologize on behalf of her fans, or make a statement discouraging that kind of behavior from her fans, such as

Ofc, it is not her fault, but she could at the very least do some kind of damage control on behalf of her fans, but she doesn't. Allowing her fanbase to just fester as a toxic army that believes full heartily what they are doing is right.

I know that if I had a project such as HB, and my fans got someone to kill themselves, I would absolutely scold and discourage that kind of thing, my fault or not, whether or not that does something, I dunno, my main point was that I just hate how out of control her fanbase is, and how unbelievably little she does to do literally anything about it.

>>153121764
When I realized the direction it was going, I jumped ship, I signed up for a show about a hotel redeeming sinners, and the philosophies that entail, and a protentional office comedy about imps assassinating humans, when I realized that is, not what I am getting after S1 in both shows. I jumped ship.

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>>153120980
I don't even HATE Hazbin Hotel. I just don't like how its popularity will send the wrong message to Hollywood about what people want more of in adult animation. Vivzie can't write dialogue for shit, but I applaud her for at least being a cartoonist who got a visually inventive mature cartoon on the air in current year.

>>153120980
Its boring, gay and popular. If even 1 of these 3 werent true, it wouldnt be hated.

>>153120980
It's hacky and literally gay as hell. The main character is a self-righteous dolt who wins by getting manipulated and bailed out by more interesting characters against antagonists who are stupid to the point of undermining the threat they pose and basically defeating themselves. The writers are also the type of people who believe "gay" is a personality. It's paced like shit and stuff like the Vees basically getting introduced twice exhibit a mismanagement of the little time they get per season. Lute has the same problem as the Vees since they're going to have to remind you what the fuck her problem is in Season 3. The Lilith thing also got unceremoniously shelved. It's just hackery. It's fun though so I hope this shit keeps going.

>>153120980
Because it's a show with an interesting premise that was created by an insane person who is genuinely afraid of doing anything creative with it. Viv just wants to make Disney with cussing, you can tell by how season 2 ended with everyone singing along to magic away an explosion. I've never seen anyone less qualified to write and direct a show than Vivziepop but somehow she has 2

>>153121898
The fact the conflict of S2 basically ends fucking power of friendship Soul Bomb, while all the characters sing, when this is supposed to be a show about redeeming sinners and shit, is just insane.

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Hey I drew an Alastor.

>>153120980
Shitty world building and writing, most of the characters are insufferable, demons lame and gay.

>>153120980

This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS

>>153121822
Nah

>>153121956
Pretty good

>>153121956
You got talent

>>153121956
Cute!

>>153121843
the worst part is people huffing copium saying "don't worry, season 3 will actually be about redeeming sinners since they got the whole Heaven and hell conflict out of the way!"
When we've already heard from Viv that a big part of it is going to be about the Morningstar family.

>>153121536
You can tell troons will never be real women because not even they can match the universal lunacy of foids.

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No Salamandrine Men

>>153121956
His name will always remind me of the devil may cry sword

We?

>>153122503
Wuz?

>>153120980
1. Disgusting, effeminate, whiny characters written to be retarded manchildren and womanchildren
2. Terrible pacing. We somehow got a fucking Heaven war before the TV headed faggot became plot relevant.
3. The main character is such a void of competence that it's blatant the writer really just wants to write about men swooning over each other instead
4. The musicals make me want to swallow my tongue
5. The central thesis of redeeming sinners is ALMOST COMPLETELY IGNORED

>>153122293
Unironically this. You will never be a real woman because you are just incapable of mustering the same level of unhinged menstruation-driven anti-logic even after chopping off your penis.

>>153121370
The show is such an eyesore to me I keep forgetting the author is a shit too because I just avoid the fandom and other social media bullshit like the plague. I mean, it makes sense. The show is so intrinsically odious it perfectly reflects the creator's own deranged worldview.

>>153120980
I almost forgot

6. The most nonsensical possible retcons to justify the most transparent plot holes, like exterminations only happening once every year for seven years and Lucifer suddenly being revealed as powerless against sinners even though he was willing to squabble up with Alastor, was visibly bullying him during their sing-off, and the sheer nonsense of Heaven clipping his wings but not stopping him from murdering their reps.

Maybe the meme about angels daring Lucifer to take a swing at them just to prove they're the better men is actually canon lmao

>>153121764
this is me unironically, on top

I think they had the villains/season plots backwards
>Season 1: Vox trying to take over and shit up hell even more while disparaging the hotel
>Season 2: Because of the shit show that occurred, Adam decides exterminations should happen more.

I still think having Adam being a douchey frat boy character was the wrong choice, ironically they could've gone with Caine and Adam eventually smacking down his son for fucking up hid children... again.

>>153122675
It's one of the things about the show that live rent free in my head as reasons why it's not just bad, it's BAFFLINGLY bad, as in I'm seriously questioning how this shit got approved, how the FUCK someone this stupid succeeded in the industry, and who Vivzie had to suck off to greenlight it.

>>153122690
The moment I saw the drafts for what Adam was going to be like on this show, I immediately realised Vivzie was totally drawing some ex of hers as the soijack.

>But she said he's one of her favourite characters-
Local creative with zero fucking creative integrity signals approval for character she knows her fandom adores, more news at 11

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I love Abel so much. I want to give him so many kisses all over his body.

>>153122821
I do not understand how any of you enjoy any of these fucking faggots, for which I am deeply grateful.

I think the closest things I have to favourites on this show are Vaggie (because she looks perpetually as disgusted and annoyed by everything and everyone as I feel), Nifty (because she shut up Adam and can consistently fucking FIGHT WELL), Baxter (because I am fucking starved for competent characters, and because I respect him just ignoring 90% of the entire conflict) and Zestial (because he is the only adult in the room, also because he technically started the tradition of making Alastor squeal like a bitch)

It's not even I actually LIKE any of them as characters, have high hopes any of them will be used well, or have any kind of expectations for them whatsoever. They just did the bare minimum to not be completely insufferable and/or shat on characters I hated far more.

>>153122690
I wish they explored more of what he was like back in Eden.
Like Lilith claims he was an asshole even back then, but that doesnt track with how he legit got into Heaven, so that means he was a good person at some point.

>>153122799
>Local creative with zero fucking creative integrity signals approval for character she knows her fandom adores
I can't tell how much the fandom as a whole actually likes Adam. The fans are primarily faggots who empathize with the sinners while Adam is the character of choice for people who reject the show's very premise. He was definitely intended to be a strawman, but I can believe they enjoyed writing him simply because him being a cunt from the start removes the shackles of having to remain "likable".

>>153122884
I have zero hope the Eden situation will ever be more complex than both of them being stereotypical Adult Swim caricature-tier jackasses

>>153122951
I can definitely believe the last part, at least. The quality of the show aside, it's just more fun to right a villain who can break the rules and throw his weight around in general

>>153122951
People like flamboyant villains even if they heavily disagree with them. It's as they say, you gotta do it with style.
Still think that this depiction of Adam was the wrong move, there are other "chosen" people who could fit the role better.

Fun songa
Dog shit writing
The haters are somehow more annoying than the fans who keep to themselves

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>>153120980
Because it's disingenuous and it's social commentary is predicated upon the church and American churches still holding the level of power they had, especially during the 80's and 90's (which Vox is a direct allusion towards) but that power has waned and all that remains of the younger generations of millennials and zoomers who are only Christians in a performative sense, Grifters who are trying to get their hand up your ass for money and only see Christianity as a societal stabilization mechanism or schizos who have adopted Gnosticism, Valentinianism, Rosicrucianism or Hermeticism, because the world is breaking the fuck down and conventional contemporary Christianity is an ice cream social that can't or won't explain anything outside of trvst the plan, full of boomers who exist on a completely alien planet where traditional Christian values hold any merit because the internet has turned everyone into psychopaths.
The all seeing eye symbolism that is omnipresent throughout the show is also extremely telling as to what this show is actually about as well. Little elements too such as Niffty telling Alastor that he's "the king of bugs" to Pentious dying and being born again in the literal sense in heaven when everyone is already fucking dead is incredibly disturbing to anyone who gets what the show is ostensibly implying through that, and genuinely makes me wonder what the true purpose of it is.
Or I could just be overthinking it and it's just an edgy rich fujo's wet dream. Either way, this show is funded by Amazon and has an incredibly specific agenda that I can't quite put my finger on.

>>153123263
Bruh, you are definitely overthinking it. The leader of Heaven is not Michael, is not Metatron, it is a Seraphim called...fucking Sera. And her closet colleague is an OC archangel called...Emily. So far, Vox and Alastor's struggle has been way more important to Hell than whatever Lucifer does after breaking out of his funk.

It is an edgy rich fujo living her wet dream, anon. I genuinely do not think there is any greater agenda, the show COULD be a lot more aggressively disingenuous if it wanted to be it's just...kind of sad, petty and tries to use self-deprecation as a shield against criticism. Think about it logically: If it really was Satanic, would it make Lucifer such a bitch and Satan himself such a nothingburger? No. It's a much more banal form of degeneracy: A random fat girl winning life's lottery and getting people to watch her retarded Deviantart scribbles, clumsily stealing big brand names to hype up what is ultimately white woman's JJK.

Take your meds.

bd

>>153120980
lesbians

>>153123885
>And her closet colleague is an OC archangel called...Emily.
Emily is a seraph, not an archangel.

>>153123263
Schizobabble

>>153123263
You weren’t allowed to watch anime growing up you wouldn’t get it

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>make a show on a premisde of being edgy
>no edge in sight except saying fuck every half a seconds
didn't even put tits in or anything, way to not commit

had fun with season 1 but it went absolutely nowhere after that, fucking slop to sit through

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I wanna draw this Imp chick, but she needs a name for cataloguing.
Suggestions? I think she was at the funeral supporting a friend of her's.

I love Rosie!

>>153126414
To cannibal town¡

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This is my favorite small detail in the entire show.

>>153120980
Can't hate a show I refuse to watch. The most you'll get out of me is a 'meh'

>>153121764
I take it both pilots are worth watching then, but the rest of the shows are not?

>>153126663
Helluva's is as a fun one off thing, but Hazbin's while having some fun musical numbers is basically a pitch for the show that never was.

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I like musicals, ok?

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Taking name suggestions cause I gotta go to work.

>>153126281
>>153127494
Cute! How about Beth?

Isn't the show's creators/writers/animators full of trannies?

>>153127803
Too basic, Hellaverse demons all have weird names. They don't use any name of religious origin either, so anything derived from Elizabeth is right out.

>>153127494
hey can you draw Millie's ass

>>153120980
I dunno I made a thread the other day and it had a decent amount of replies and fans I think.

>>153122463
i didn't know there was a DMC sword called fucking loser

>>153120980
Because retarded autistic faggots would make this shit their personality

>>153121764
I am glad I only watched the original pilot and the HB pilot trailer and called it quits.

>>153121205
Alastor should’ve been raped in S2 but since he’s “asexual” now Vivzie can’t do that.

>>153120980
Because the show completely ruined and abandoned its own premise in its very first non-pilot episode.

>>153122525
3 is depressingly accurate. Vivzie just can’t control herself and goes full fujo unless she gets tardwrangled

I don't hate it, but there's a lot of annoyances.
>the hotel is basically an afterthought
>after two seasons, the hotel's guests still basically amount to Angel Dust, unnamed mooks, and Pentious who was barely there and achieved his redemption basically independently of the hotel
>muh war with Heaven is the sort of thing you'd expect to be rolled out when you're several seasons in, long out of ideas, and just latching onto whatever increase of stakes you can think of, not something to do before you've spent any real time on THE PREMISE OF THE FUCKING SHOW
>every fucking character has to be some LGBT sort. Somehow Hell is a lot more polite about this sort of thing than the average modern school
>climax of S2 was utterly fucking awful. Disney presents Char's Counterattack, but worse
>Pentious has proven redemption possible, so it's not longer just Charlie's silly naive pipe dream running on faith, and Heaven basically supports her and is friendly now, so where's left for things to go? We're supposed to pretend fucking Lute is some major threat to anything?
>the title itself still lacks any meaning- who the fuck are the hazbins Alastor's supposedly mocking? Angel Dust is still a hot commodity by all accounts, and NOBODY ELSE IS FUCKING THERE

>>153128300
Being asexual doesn't prevent someone from being raped

Vivzie interacts with her insane underage LGBT fans too much and ends up pandering to them in excess in the actual show. I have no doubt Baxter is going to get outed as trans in S3

>>153120980
Because it is a terrible show.

>>153128331
>I have no doubt Baxter is going to get outed as trans in S3
I'm moreso expecting that to be revealed in the pride merch drop this June.

>>153128326
The fanbase that is courted by doing all this sexuality spectrum representation shit will not tolerate their precious sexualities being violated. Hell, they won't tolerate defiance of their shipping ideas. Angel and Husk being set up as a romantic pairing encapsulates what's wrong with the writing in general.

>>153128366
Basically if a character isn’t explicitly straight they will likely end up in a gay relationship. So yeah while there are lots of pan/bi characters they primarily seem interested in the same sex. It’s completely retarded.

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>>153126663
Hazbin was billed to be this wacky journey about the princess of Hell, with a shady Overlord, opening a hotel to rehab Sinners and sending them off to Heaven. Wound up being a "fuck Heaven and all it stands for" type of conflict and everyone is a contradictive moron.
Helluva was billed to be an Office-style comedy full of guns, blood, sex and other edgy adult shit. Wound up focusing on a poorly-written gay soap opera between the main protag and the "what if Black Hat but he's a feminine and hyper-sensitive owl furry" stand in.
Needless to say, some of us are either waiting to see how much worse these two wastes of potential can get or to hear about Viv getting stabbed to death by a tranny fan because she isn't giving Sallie Mae enough screentime.

>>153128300
I'm assuming the reason Vox didn't try to rape Alastor is because he still wants his respect despite everything, and raping him would be antithetical to that.

>>153128389
>Wound up being a "fuck Heaven and all it stands for" type of conflict and everyone is a contradictive moron.

That’s not what happened though. Heaven is actually good in the series (especially S2.)

success breeds jealuously

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>>153120980
Hate is a strong word, especially with how online rhetoric is. I don't want vivziepop to be punished or the shows to be canceled
I just very much dislike alot about both series and wouldn't lose any sleep if both got cancelled but it's nice that teenage drama club girls get their own series

>>153128410
I think the problem most people have is that is has most of the surface hallmarks of heaven but there's no god, no Jesus, no actual Christian philosophy being explored
They should have just said that it was a generic anime celestial kingdom/aliens

>>153128324
>who the fuck are the hazbins Alastor's supposedly mocking?
Everyone in Hell.

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>>153128440
indeed it does

>>153120980
It’s an OK show but it keeps meandering away from its main premise due to Vivzie being a massive fujo

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He's cute.

It’s homophobia mostly. Straights just aren’t used to watching a show in which “straight” isn’t the default sexuality.

Using Suno, I put my feelings into a song for you all to enjoy.
https://vocaroo.com/1iLfRtEjLXHY

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We do? I think it's okay.

>>153128548
Well, it is hell. Lute, Abel, and Adam are the only straights we see that came to Hell.

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>>153128713
Niffty is straight too.

>>153128514
Why does he have a better ass than his daughter?

>>153128608
This gives me Alestorm vibes. Yeah it's AI but it's stupid and I'm saving it.

>>153128752
Nah. She fucks tra-

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>>153128762
Vivzie likes man ass.

>>153128812
MANASS
That man HAS no ass.
WHERES THE ASS?

>>153128447
I’m confused why Adam and lute designs don’t have Lute furry be based on the uniform when Adam’s is.

>>153128811
Please don't even BEGIN to defame my wife without hard evidence.

Men, would Millie wear a two or one piece swimsuit?

>>153129097
Definitely a two piece but a modest one since she likes to be active.

>>153129114
Sort of like a sports bra and booty/bike shorts?

>>153121487
>They get someone to kill themselves, and she ignores it.
huh

>>153129168

Not sure how accurate this whole

Google doc is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSfCoyn81fp83pycx5eyS4oxryRpFnVnHdEeyEyouigrKSWAZ5iEgTjt7Q63n68S_PcZK7_klB-9dH1/pub

But long story short, or at least the story I've heard, is that there was some guy named Shay (not the underfag) who really liked a ship. I think they shipped Husk with Angel Dust or something.

People despised them for it, and bullied them so hard and relentlessly, they ended up killing themselves.

>>153129340
Samefag.

This google doc seems to actually be about Shay in great detail, so if you really are curious, feel free to read it, it goes into great detail about the whole story.

But Viv has completely ignored and even goes out of her way to block people who bring this incident up, she goes out of her way to block anyway who even has a slight sniff of criticism about her, her projects, or anything to do with her inner circle.

This incident didn't stop me from watching the show, I hate watching the show because of how dogshit the writing is, and how unbelievably ass the show's color palette and character design is. I was promised something completely different, and I got something that has been done to death a million times (Hell good, Heaven bad, blah blah blah, Good Omens did it far more nuanced and interesting then Viv could or has.)

The show is a mess, the creator is an narrcistic asshole, who believe she and her show can do no wrong and can't be criticizied, her fandom is by far one of the most toxic in the world, and to top it all off, she gets away with absolutely all of it, because of an army of white knighers, helluva/hazbin fags, and the only people she hasn't blocked or chased off the internet (indirectly) are people who just suck her cock to hell and back.

TL:DR: Most of the reason I hate the show is the show itself, and lot of it has to do with the creator and fandom to.

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Show should've been about Vox and Vox only

>>153120980
Bad characters, bad writing, writer's pet wanking.
Unironically the only character that is meant to be an unlikable jackass is the most likable and is the only one that makes excessive swearing work because he's meant to be juvenile and stupid.
I wonder what would Vivzie do if Alastor woul disappear from the show and she'd be forced to actually write stuff with Charlie as main character

>>153120980
Non-patreon users donators, simple as.

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Realistically, what would the sex be like? Could you even get it inside her?

>>153131945
Urethral fisting

>>153121764
>THE PILOT LIED TO ME
I have to assume these people are severely autistic.

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>>153120980
We don't. It's just vocal culture war fags. They're upset about a show depicting gays in hell even though that's part of their religion.

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Shes done. No name selected yet but I'll still shop ideas around.

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>>153131984
Not that you're wrong, but don't be dense. We all know that there'd be a lot less to complain about if Viv and Neylan had just stuck to what people actually enjoyed about the pilots. The only complaints we'd be hearing right about now would be from typical industry pundits or Youtubers with minor gripes over the pacing or certain characters not being written a specific way.
But no. It's the 2020's and everyone behind these shows is either a raging liberal or forced to be a raging liberal. So now everything has to be a subversion or a blatant ripoff of something else because that's "artistic" and "real".

S2E2 and S2E8 are top tier pieces of media IDGAF what anyone says

>>153133567
>Lilith is actually Rosie
Are people actually saying this?

>>153120980
It's the definition of a polished turd.

>>153120980
It's a musical that took a entire season to figure out how to write music. That's pretty embarrassing

>>153128762
He works out?

>>153131945
I've seen crazy enough shit to know it will fit. Eventually.

>>153133231
This version is the one that made a bazillion dollars though so that’s what you get

"Shit-not-happening™"

>>153123263
You are overthinking it but not in how you may think. Its just pseudo-edgy shit by some theater kids and an art hoe. Heaven, Hell, and Abrahamic mythos are just used as a backdrop that only plays into shit in the most superficial way. The rules are retarded. If Dante was making biblical fanfiction then this is fanfiction of fanfiction. Or rather fanfiction that is the fanfiction of all the other fanfiction by people doing fanfiction of the divine comedy (and paradise lost). In the end its just made for teens and manchildren (mostly manchildren).
TL;DR Viv is a hack.

>>153131945
IDK ask her dad

>>153122690
Cain would have made more sense, really

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>>153120980
*ehem*

>>153135176
This, exactly this

>>153135176
So you just want both shows to be generic episodic "X of the day" shows?

>>153133231
i thought that scene was cool :(