I'm convinced this thread of thinking that these children's cartoon characters seem older than the ages they're designed as is because the people talking about them are autistic and autistic people tend to age slower in a social maturity sort of way and also look younger than their age.There are comments saying they thought Luz felt 16 or that Vanessa Doofenschmirtz feels 28. This is completely unserious.
>>153125001>Twitter screencap threadDo I even have to say it?
>>153125006I just used it to get this topic going. I'm sick of 30 is the new 20 when that's not the case in real life.
>>153125049Go back to twitter to talk about it then queer
>>153125001It's mostly just an art style thing.But also people tend to forget what young people of different ages really look like. We tend to think of 12 as being younger than it really is.
I was 13 when I first saw Star Vs and I thought she was younger than me so I really don't get this. I think they think preteens are little kids and teenagers are preteens and 25 year olds are teenagers and the age groups in their head are all mixed up.
>>153125001It's because actually children are tricky to write and these characters are actually written as adults in the bodies of kids. There are actually very few children characters that act like children.
>>153125001In fairness the Amphibia girls were meant to be in highschool initially and then were "aged down" which is a bit annoying since they're easily one of the m most accurate depiction of modern highschool girls.
>>153125153This is just cope from people who feel a guilt complex around jerking off to young characters. Usually autistic people like I said. The Hey Arnold characters don't feel like adults.
>>153125133They have episodes about Star going through puberty, so yeah, 12 would be about right for her. Although admittedly she's an alien or something.And yes, the older you get the more you lose your sense of what young people look like. It will happen to you.
>autistic people don't realize that teenagers get really big really fast
>>153125001Eh, I think it both is and isn’t that deep. Adults tend to forget the point of view of a child. Real 12-15 year olds seem like babies to them and cartoons are abstracted enough to imagine whatever based on vibes and vague memories. But also, the young 20somethings of today lost a chunk of teenage years/milestones to covid and digital sheltering and it seems like the social maturity lag is more widespread from disrupted life experiences, so both autistic and normie kids bring this to fandom now.
>>153125001Its not behavior, its appearanceWendy was as tall as Stan, so were her friends. Its easy to see them as almost adults - high schoolers. Comparing heights, mannerisms, and styles gets an approximation of age.Dipper and mabel are about hip height compared to stan, an adult, so theyre kids pput Soos and wendy in between and you get the guess thats shes 16, maybe 17.The problems compound when comparing with other shows.Anne is a few inches shorter than her mom. That'd make sense if she was in high-school but then they aged her down but didn't decrease the height Luz is reasonable freshmen height and just acts a bit immatureStand them together and Anne who is younger looks taller than Luz
>>153125349Women are basically done growing in height by 14.
>>153125262This is a subtle symptom of the way cartoons geared toward younger audiences and starring "teen" characters is that the creators/writing team wish to depict some kind of wish-fulfilment premise using their adult imaginations. So whenever you have a intergenerational creative involvement, it will always trigger a subconscious backlash from outsiders or troublemakers to make a problem out of this. For some reason the depraved army of ghoulish normies can sniff out a creative and smell an opportunity to scrape off some residual "clout" by staging a innuendo campaign or culture war freakout, they will then devote a surprising amount of effort to "prove" there is something dangerous and unseemly about any adult depicting fictional children.Basically non-creatives will never understand how to express imaginative concepts and they only hate what they can't understand.
>>153125001those shows are for nortubel fans
>>153125433Nah you always write “up” for kids shows so they’ll watch the show because they think older kids are cool and littler kids are uncool because they’re growing up.
>>153125001the bigger problem with these cartoons is that they can't tell if they're kid cartoons or are actually made for adults who want to watch kid cartoons
>>153125001Obviously Dipper and Mabel should have been taller but I'm sure there was a "We want them to appeal to younger children" discussion and they made them shorter.
>>153125001The Amphibia trio come across more like 17 year olds at points.
>>153125001>>153125049"30 is the new 20" as general immaturity is a misunderstanding of the real reason, a lot of people only get forced into being mature by hitting certain material and social breakpoints that they can't hit till their 30s anymore.A 40 hour work week is meant to ground you in a scheduled way of living that forces you to be on time for things and engage with others in complex both hierarchical and flat systems..Long term romance where both partners live together forces you to learn show to share your space and duties with another person in an inmate way.Home ownership forces you to learn how to take responsibility for where you live and instill a base level of handyman capabilities Having a kid you are expected to raise is the ultimate in forcing maturity as the sheer logistical effort you need to put into things once the kid hits around 4 and onwards requires you to get your shit together or be a shifty parent judged by those around you.This isn't to say that these things force you to always be mature or that they automatically make everyone mature, but they force a level of structure that begets competence in people where otherwise there is nothing to drive them to mature.As for cartoons, that maturity disconnect makes it so characters who do exhibit those traits regardless of actual age get treated as more mature.
>>153125001Anon, you're complaining about a Twitter thread involving cartoons designed for 6 year olds
>>153127092This makes sense because these are cartoons made by and for the 10%
>>153127072How? I'm convinced the people shocked they were 12-13 either have autism and didn't experience milestones on the right track or don't remember what middle school is like.
>>153127092Anon, this is not normal. Delayed maturity is not an advantage when are bodies are mostly aging at the same rate and we live roughly the same lifespans.
>>153125001Well pic related is comparing three different shows with three different art styles.>GFI guess you could chalk this up to a fluke in design, or maybe it was intentional to put emphasis on that scary leap from childhood to adulthood. Or maybe Wendy was originally 16 and they changed it.>TOH & AmphibiaThey look like their respective ages.
>>153127179I never said it was, just that for most people maturity comes from managing the aftereffects and cultural expectations placed upon oneself.Because peopleDon't g have a steady job till their late 20s if ever thanks to the gig economy.Get into long term relationships till their late 20s because of the specter of divorce trauma hovering over our cultureMay just never own a homeAnd because of lacking the previous 3 don't feel confident in having kidsMeans that they will never have cause to mature properly, which your right, is a problem.
>>153127153They dont look, sound or act like 12-13 year olds, eat shit.
>>153125133star is 13 when the series began and 17 when it ends
Dipper/Mabel were 100% intended as 10 year old but they probably forced the 12 years on them and 15 on Wendy (from an obvious 16-17) to make the shotacon romance less weird for the higher ups
>>153125262They are more like mid teenagers
All of this shit is a psyop by the Jews to scare people from getting into relationships.Change my mind.
>>153127416So she was 11 and 12 when she dated Tom Lucitor?
>>153125433That's not it. You wanna know why so much kids media features teen protagonists?Our media and commercial landscape has been increasingly more and more geared towards teens and what makes a teen "cool" for almost half a century starting from when they became a growing consumer market in the 1950s.In turn, this put an emphasis on "cool rebellious teen" culture by the 70s/80s.This is where you see kids get more invested in the idea. Because the cultural landscape we built causes them to inherently view teenagers as "cool". As far back as the 1990s, you see more and more of a shift in the kids culture of a given decade, it starts to become more and more of a mimicry of the teen one?Teenagers like skateboards and "radical" culture in the 1990s? Kids get into them.Teenagers like first person shooter video games in the late aughts? Kids follow suit.Teenagers are to kids, badass rule breaking "cool kids" and the more a kid feels like the teenagers, the "cooler" a kid feels.So letting kids live vicariously through a figure like Danny Phantom or Hannah Montana became more and more of a guaranteed hook into the 2000s and the early 2010s were arguably the peak of this phenomena before teen oriented pop culture just ate everything else
>>153127664For reference, you absolutely can't talk about the difference between kids culture and teen culture without talking about the 1950s.Before then, what we'd consider a teenager would just be an adolescent, "a kid in their teens who we are preparing for adulthood now."Once the 1950s rolled around, that dynamic changes, they get increased purchasing power and become a significant market and there's an active effort to chase them, this is where we see the concept of "teenage kid" go to "teenager". Marketers find the best way to do it is to appeal to their sense of independence. Thus things like "teen hangouts", "teen fashion", et cetera are born. The more purchasing power this market has, the more emphasis on teen culture. And they have incomes and no bills yet so they very quickly become a priority market.
>>153127153Well for one thing, they literally started the series as 16. Matt Braly was asked by Disney to age them down officially to make them more relatable to viewers, but their age is never stated in the show.For another, their whole social dynamic is that Sasha is a “Queen Bee” and Anne and Marcy are her clique, which you get in highschool and is famous from films like Mean Girls.And there’s many other leftovers too from the fact they were written as 16. Like for example Anne is learning to drive throughout S1 and 2, and says she asked her parents on earth to buy her a car but they refused until she passes her test. What 12 year old is trying to get a driving license?
>>153127072I think they were supposed to be at one point, but got aged down.
>AIslop translationThread hidden. Why won't AI be banned from 4chan already.
>>153128014Ironically their age is never even stated in the show. It’s only on like guidebooks and twitter bios and stuff
>>153127990>For another, their whole social dynamic is that Sasha is a “Queen Bee” and Anne and Marcy are her clique, which you get in highschool and is famous from films like Mean Girls.This is prevalent in middle schools and elementary schools too. Do you all think puberty starts at exactly 16 or something?
>>153125293This, 14 and 15 are night and day.
>>153128422Growth spurts occur earlier than that on average actually.
>>153128392That’s a leap. Saying highschool is different socially from elementary school (it is) has nothing to do with puberty.For example, Sasha is introduced in ‘Reunion’, where we see teens in her class with mohawks, teens playing guitar on the school stoop, Sasha telling Anne to stay out late with her, to skip school, Sasha making fun of Anne for being a baby because her parents will be there on her birthday, and talking about having casual house/poolparties without any parents.You can tell yourself these could happen to a 12 year old, and maybe they could, but by and large these are typical highschooler behaviours.
>>153128551Nigger, these are all commonly literal 12 year old behaviors. 12 is in 7th grade, typically second year of middle school. I don't know why so many people internally think it's like little kid or something. When you're like tween aged kids typically want more independence from their parents. Whenever this discussion comes up online I swear I'm in the twilight zone. They have pool parties, they skip school, they get insecure about seeming insecure (probably more than 16 year olds). It has to be autistic people or older people simply forgetting what it was like and mixing up ages in their head.
>>153128774they typically want, they aren't typically given. Parents not being home because the kid wants to have a party is ridiculous.Plus you're ignoring every other point from that post, like Anne trying to get her driving license and trying to buy a car.
>>153125001The thing is that people on Xitter are both autistic and retarded, you can be only one of the two to engage in discussion that has any value. They're all going "durr, isn't that odd?" without even trying to understand why, even though it's easy.A1) Kids are different people and the same age can both be kids who can maintain an interesting conversation with an adult and also some drooling retard with literally no attention span. Depends on rearing and genetics.A2) Middle school kids can look like literal adults, or 2-3 years younger than they are, depending on their genetics and food intake.B1) The writer writes the kid as smart and draws them as mature as they need to be for the adventure and only uses their age to appeal to the viewer demo, or justify their environment and interests.B2) The writer forgot WTF kids look and talk like physically and mentally at which ages.B3) It's just either retarded design or a mistaken design interpretation. With Calarts at an all time high in the number of talentless hacks it lets out and the animation being done in Korea, both are feasible. Case in point: the hacklet failing to explain that Dipper is only a few years younger and Wendy has literal gigantism and the Korean in charge using her height as a template for other kids her age.
>>153128888The car part is just American things. She's 13. You can get a "restricted license" by 14. And you can't do shit in America without a car.
>>153128888>they typically arent givenThis is why 20 year olds cant order at the register anymore.
>>153128994You can't buy a car for yourself at 13, anon, not in any state.Usually I hate these people too who pretend you're a heckin child until you're 18, but it's just facts that the Amphibia girls were intended to be 16/17 within the show.
>>153125001Seems like only Dipper and Mabel were drawn to look like something other than their age.
>>153125133>>153125281I thought Star was 14 at the beginning of the series. And maybe 16 at the end. Other people in her class were driving at parts of the show.
>>153125001A couple show runners have talked about this on twitter in the past. It's mostly due to a tug of war between the creators and the Disney executives. Creators want their characters to be clearly teens in high school, normally 16-17. While Disney execs always want the stars to be little kids around 10-12. Since that is what is considered to be the core audience so the characters have to be relatable. The fat bastard that runs Ducktales complained about this a few times too that the executive demands were the stars always be about 12, and that no episode should star any adult, always be from the kids point of view. Gravity Falls was a compromise by having little kids that often hang out with high school teens a lot.
>>153129227>little kids around 10-12Those are tweens in middle school anon. You don't just go from little kid to teen.
>>153125001He's right about Gravity Falls, nobody acts as they should.
Zoomer age scaling:0-3: baby4-6: toddler7-9: don't exist10-13: little kid14-17: tween18-25: teenager26-31: new adultI'm convinced this is how they see it.
Societal-wide delay.
>>153127362Most people have to work and contribute from a young age, work just doesn’t make those milestones possible anymore so they’re stuck in the narrative of not having developed yet regardless
>>153129162You can't legally own a car maybe. You can easily buy one and have your parent as the owner. And you can buy a used car for even a few hundred bucks, so a kid with some Summer job cash can afford one.
>>153125001it's not bizzare at all, girls puberty start earlier and stronger. at 12 most kids in my class only grew their first few cm and all the girls were at least 10 cm taller
>>153125133I blame the showrunners growing up on anime.
>>153128994Are you stupid or do you just not go outside?Restricted licence at 14 is only a thing in the state of South Dakota. The show is set in Los Angeles where, just like the vast majority of states, minimum age for a RL is 16 years old. You would know this if you left the house and noticed there are no 14 year olds driving
>>153129763In the majority of states it's 15 for a permit.
>>153129763She didn't say she was going to drive it on the state highway. Maybe she wanted to drive it around the block or on country roads. Also she has the tits and make-up skills to pass for her mom.
>>153125001Have they forgotten wendy is freakishly tall? The manlet said it was because of her lumberjack genes.
I remember watching All Grown Up as a kid thinking all the cast were in high school at 16-17 because of all the drama they went through and was shocked to learn later in life that they were fucking 10-11 except for a 13 year old Angelica IIRC.
why cartoon not realistic
>>153129849I'm tired of this meme. They look and act like middle schoolers.
>>153129867Yes retard but when I was a child in elementary school watching they seemed like how I envisioned highschoolers.
>>153125001Pilot Dipper and Mabel looked better tbqh
Like, I'm actually so fucking tired and I think this show is the genesis for a lot of this mentality. There are more ages beyond 5/6 and 16/17. If you went to a middle school you'd recall there was a lot of drama and the kids in AGU look like middle schoolers generally.If you think the characters act like adults that says more about you than the show.
>>153129801You said Restricted Licence, not a Learner's Permit. Two extremely different things if you've ever been outside, you cannot drive on your own with a learner’s permit in the USA, a parent has to accompany you. In the vast majority of the USA, about 45 states, you cannot get a Restricted Licence until 16 or even 17 minimum. 15 is allowed in only 6 states.Saying Anne is le 12 because in Alaska only you can get a restricted licence at 14, is retarded. She was intended as 16.
>>153130030*in South Dakota, lol.The mental gymnastics i'm countering has made me ESL
>>153128466Hey guys, when is my lengthening of my penis supposed to happen?
>>153130425Two more weeks, trust the plan.
>>153130443Got it, I'll let you know how it goes.
>>153127362Don't make walls of text to excuse it, then
>>153125442so misleqoast
>>153129930/thread
>>153129612Fair.
>>153128466Puberty onset used to be a lot later. Average age of menarche was 16-18 only 150 years ago. Now girls as young as 10 or 11 can get it. You only see it later in populations that are more malnourished.
>>153125001I know the cause of this but if I just break it down for you some ((Anons)) are going to flip but you're seeing 3-4 subversive things colliding here and yes it's stupid.
>twitter screencap thread about the ages of girls from DTVA cartoonsI couldn't come up with anything more "current year /co/" if I tried
>>153125133>>153127416This, plus part of Star's fish out of water thing is that she's supposed to act a little too kiddy for her age group and get made fun as a result but then her powers come in to save the day. This was toned down significantly from the original pitch, but it's still an essence of her character.>>153125310> But also, the young 20somethings of today lost a chunk of teenage years/milestones to covid and digital sheltering and it seems like the social maturity lag is more widespread from disrupted life experiencesI don't believe this. I have younger siblings that were middle school to graduated during COVID and they're just fine. I think people in the media decided that was a thing and now the TV just keeps telling you that happened so you believe it.
>>153128551My high school was 7th-12th grade so middle and high school were basically the same it's just you couldn't leave for lunch to go get fast food until you were old enough to drive and then you could finally smoke a cigarette in the middle of the day or get high with your friends out in the car instead of hiding in the designated bathroom stall to do it. Also my first year there a bunch of the 7th grade girls (12-13) went to a rainbow party with two senior boys (18) and all got clamydia or something. This is just wishful revisionism trying to force people into categories that don't work (and also why Jr. High is important even though it's just 7th-8th grade. It seems frivolous and is hard to make a story out of but its the missing milestone that clicks in people's heads that you're not a baby anymore but not quite: "basically an adult" yet.)
>>153128774This is true. When I was 12 a bunch of the jock boys invited all the hot girl in our grade to play strip poker in someone's tree house and they stacked the deck so all the gorls ended up naked.
>>153129162You're making a good point but it's not uncommon to want to jump the gun and take driving lessons early or to want your parents to buy you a car way too early so it will "be ready" for when you do get your license. I remember asking for a car for years before I got my license and starting around 12-13 my grandpa, Dad, and Uncle started letting me drive sometimes so I could practice even though of we had gotten pulled over we could've both gotten in a lot of trouble and I probably wouldn't have legally been allowed to get a liscense until I was 18. This wouldn't apply to Ann but some parents will buy their kids a beater around 13 and make them learn to fix it up/get an after school job to buy all the parts for it so that way by the time they do have a liscense they know how to fix anything that will go wrong on it.
>>153129357That is how they see it. My little brother (19) works with a 16 year old that apparently wants his dick and he was joking with his friends saying: "Nah, man shes way too young I ain't finna catch a case!" I had to slap some sense into him about it.
>>153129612Why? In anime 10 is like 16.>>153129763A lot of other states will do the 14 license thing but you have to live on a farm and it has to be your family's source of income or something. I don't believe that's a thing in Los Angeles, though.
>>153130030AviI goigled it and they do have it in California but it's called a Junior Permit. Ann wouldn't qualify for it because she doesn't live on a farm but I could see her trying to mental gymnastics her way into a justification for why she could. That's definitely a thing around that age when you're young and super excited about something
>>153132295Heck in the 70's-90's it wasn't uncommon for there to be a couple of girls who didn't get it until they were 17, now 7 year olds are getting it. They don't want you even having sex until you go through menopause nowadays
>>153132474>I don't believe this. I have younger siblings that were middle school to graduated during COVID and they're just fine.Never said it applies to every individual. I work in a college library and the zoomers are still normal people but what they consider normal behaviors and expectations have become noticeably more immature and defeatist in the last ten years.
>>153125001This is supposed to be 13.
>>153125001Anne was written as 16 and aged down with no changes to her character design at the behest of Disney.I suspect something similar happened with Luz.The GF chars are still weirdly short though.
>>153133285this one is the most ridiculous
>>153133285>>153133771It would only be weird if all the girls in her class looked like this. But her outcast gang are obviously just late bloomer losers except for Priya, who's just a weirdo, but developped.>>153133666Anne makes less sense as 16. She would need to be literally retarded to be that socially stunted at that age. Her learning friendship from a frog at that age isn't just sad, it's tragic.And the Dipper thing is that Mystery Hack is just a shitty show runner and didn't give clear directions. Wendy was supposed to be a giant like her dad, but got pegged for "average late teen and adult height" in the overseas studio instead.
when the black kid in your group turns 14
>>153128774in my country they blow cocaine up your ass as the effect is stronger
>>153133285And people when this trailer dropped were all like "finally, a realistic depiction of being 13!"
>>153133666I think Dana confirmed it, but unlike with ‘Amphibia’, she embraced it.
>>153133666This looks way less like a 16 year old than a 13 year old. If Molly McGee is a realistic 13 year old then we are all aging like hobbits.
>>153132295you people really wrote a weird parallel universe of revisionism there.
>>153132295Puberty onset was similar to today and during paleolithic times, menarche occurred around the same time it does today but industrial conditions delayed it.
>>153132407Break it down, anon.
>>153130776Do you want an actual discussion of the issue, or do you just want to pat yourself on the back for condemning it?
