Why do people act like '90s comics were these extremely violent and edgy things? When you look at the actual books—even from Image—it was usually more of the same, but slightly more mature and dark. The colors were still bright, the action was still tame, and most killings happened off-camera or were barely violent at all. Yet they act like people were getting their heads ripped off in DC and Marvel books and that everything was really hardcore. In reality, you only saw that stuff in niche books like Faust, Verotik, Boneyard Press, and even DC's Vertigo and Marvel's Epic, while the "mature readers" lines were still pretty tame. Spawn comics are nothing like the edgy, blood-and-sex-filled cartoon. They're more like slightly edgier Big Two book but anyway, why do people lie about this? I owned so many '90s books over the years, and none of them outside of niche titles wouldn't be bad to give to a kid, even ones with Carnage in them. I feel the 2000's were more a edgy time than the 90's for mainstream titles.
>>153126740Anon, it's Mark Waid. I doubt the man remembers how to tie his shoes correctly on a good day.
>>153126740The 90's was just silly oversized guns, muscles & pouches, It was all in good fun. The 2000's everything was terrorism & rape. Lots of rape. While being dead serious about it.
>>153126740There's several reasons1. 90s stuff upset the Boomers in the fanbase, as in the literal Boomers who were reading comics during the 50s to 90s2. Marvel was upset at the formation of Image3. The comics crash allowed people that remained to set the narrative that it was the edginess of the 90s that caused the crash while sidestepping multiple factors (Marvel excesses, bad decisions from Marvel higher-ups, late books, big events, etc etc) 4. By the 2000s most Boomers had already checked out of comics or were part of the corporate machine pushing for the edgier 00s stuff at Marvel and DC 5. The mindset behind the 00s push was that kids weren't reading comics so they needed to target comics more for the older crowd, so now you have these fans who shit on the 90s edginess while praising the 00s edginess without any self-awareness
>>153126821the 2000's is why Prime snapped, because he was literally Johns fed up with that bullshit
>>153127425The ironic part is 00's was likely one of the best era for kids comics with DC's Johnny DC line,Scholastic and the Marvel Adventures books.
>>153126740>>153126821>>153127425The way something like Vertigo handle most adult topics wasn't trashy back in the 90's it was more mature but the 2000's is when mainstream comics go trashy.
>>153127488Those Adventure Books felt like in-keeping with the spirit of Classic Marvel. All the mainline books became sleazy daytime television like Jerry Springer.
>>153126740>>153127425>edgier 00s stuff at Marvel and DCIt's funny how the general perspective has shifted to people acknowledging the 2000's was edgier because the people who are finally letting other's realize this are the people who didn't grow up on itLikewise, this is the same group who will insist the 90's weren't all bad and in fact pretty damn good in retrospect
>>153127488>>153127659Kids comics in the immediate post-crash era is a genuinely interesting topic that most people don't seem to acknowledgeYou have pushes across the direct market from major publishers to smaller (outright self-published at times even) types to even Friends of Lulu-esque pushes that failed to work for one reason or another and then comes Scholastic selling comics with their Graphix imprint at book fairs and that worked because it circumvented the flawed distribution model comics have.
>>153126740It's crazy how these wholesome comics tend to be written by permanently-seething retards like Waid.
>>153127832I remember as a kid buying kids books just because I knew they were aimed at me and even if I liked the older aimed stuff too, it was nice to know they made books for my age group. My supermarket use to carry comics for years till around 2015, I remember it was always most random books but they seem to always have some kids titles like Power Pack which was one of my favorites. How I got into comics though was 90's back issues my grandma got me at a local used book store that let you trade in books, 90's back issues use to be everywhere and were dirt cheap so most my comics were 90's as a kid and not the current books though I had a few. I been in and out of comics since I was 4.
>>153127429Johns has no right to complain after writing Red Zone.
>>153127429That's bullshit and you should know better. Countdown to Infinite Crisis was a whole comic about how the happy stories of the 80s and 90s sucked and that the real stories are ones about death and betrayal.
>>153128089And countdown was literally DC taking jabs at fucking marvel who was on full on quesada and brevoort's kool aid over it in every fucking comic
>>153128178True. They even did an Earth-7 (DC's Marvel) mini about Lord Havok where the Superhuman Registration Act equivalent lead to the construction of full scale concentration camps and a dictatorial police state.
>>153126740Because Superman wasn't an edgy asshole, everything around him was, he was the one to live by example. Not like an edgy turd who thinks that looking edgy cool and power fantasy is all that matters.The only edgy supers were the ones that weren't the canon superman. Duh!
>>153128206Earth-8 is DC's Marvel
>>153128178Fuck are you talking about
>>153128370All of countdown and as >>153128206 was literally DC mocking all of marvel's retarded edgelordism at said period, til harras and quesada took full control and Cry For Justice and Fucking prometheus happened as an excuse for the 2 retards to get rid of people they hate and become marvel, it is even funnier because DiDio and Quesada are butt buddies
>>153128418That's completely delusional and counter to observable reality.https://web.archive.org/web/20070805060131/http://occasionalsuperheroine.blogspot.com/2006/11/goodbye-to-comics-7-we-need-rape-my.html
Youngblood and Spawn were super violent. The Ultraverse was super violent.
>>153128479Are we talking about DC making fun of Marvel being counter to observable reality or the stuff about Cry for Justice?
>>153128523You thinking that anything Geoff Johns wrote or was in Countdown to FINAL Crisis (not Countdown to Infinite Crisis, the Infinite Crisis prequel where Ted Kord gets killed off) was a commentary and not just indulging in more of the same.
>>153128751>Crap, I forgot to put NTA.Oh well, anyways, I thought the other anons post about Cry for Justice was off but the Frank Tieri written Countdown mini kinda feels like DC just taking the piss out of Marvel's Civil War event.
>>153128479Decoding as best as I can:>DC Comics was tired of being “pushed around” in the sales wars and in the court of fanboy opinion (such as it was). So with all the red-nosed gumption and determination of Ralphie from “A Christmas Story” DC decided to go badass.>They needed a rape. Because there’s nothing quite so badass as rape, lets face it. And the victim couldn’t been from the usual suspects: Black Canary (done that already plus ovaries ripped out), “Bondage Queen” (wasn’t she raped like every issue--at least mentally?), Batgirl (she was already paralyzed from the last pseudo-raping and that provided all sorts of logistical nightmares for the artist).>No, they had to find the most innocent, virginal, good-natured “nice” character they could find and ravage her not once but twice.>This character’s name was Sue Dibny.>A whole groundbreaking limited series would be built around Sue Dibny’s rape and murder.>This made me nervous. In the office, I was known as being innocent, virginal, good-natured, and “nice”. I was kidded on it on a regular basis, as well as being told it was exactly those qualities that were “holding me back.”>Of course, it was silly to identify with a dumb old comic character.>Sue Dibny's fate was sealed in a DC Comics confab in which we explored how we could change our comics to be more “badass.” It was decided that the reason we were trailing in sales was because we were “too good-natured and nice.” This would have to stop. Our books needed a grittier edge. We needed a grittier edge.>So our books changed. There was rape, and murder, torture, death, and mutilation. Superheroes did amoral or outright evil things and the line between good and bad was blurred.>And you know what?>Our sales improved. And this is a fact.>But it all started with Sue Dibny, and she has to be given credit.
>>153128863>To be fair to [Brad Meltzer], he was specifically told to include sensationalistic “adult” themes in the story. But when we got the scripts in I was still kind of shocked. Perhaps I was so affected not simply because of my fannish defense of Sue Dibny’s “purity” as a beloved character. Perhaps I was dealing with my own issues.>Let’s back up.>Do you know what a syzygy is?>That’s when all the planets align in such a manner that crazy shit happens.>In my time at DC Comics I experienced several of what can only be described as “syzygies.”>One was an incident where one of my bosses set out to rid me of my “niceness” once and for all. It involved a freelancer who had a habit of delaying handing in his work because he was such a damned perfectionist. I was told to go into my office, close the door, and scream at this freelancer until he cried. I wasn’t told to simply “be firm.” I was told to scream at him until he cried and scare the living shit out of him. And believe me, he would have cried. And he did. I screeched like a maniac at the poor devil, threatening and berating. Right beyond my nearly closed door, I could see my boss listening with glee.>Tears rolled down my cheeks -- not out of pity for my prey, but because the sheer shock to my system turned me bright red and sent my blood pressure through the roof. I thought I was going to have a heart-attack. On the other end of the line, the freelancer was stuttering, crying, freaking out.>I couldn’t stop shaking, even minutes after I hung up. What had just happened was so unnatural to me, so vile. And it served no purpose anyway. Because soon after the lights flickered and my computer began to whine like a little baby, and soon all the power was out. Everywhere.>Syzygy.
>>153128916>But this wasn’t the crucial syzygy that began the chain of events that ended my career. That particular incident had to do with your dead friend and mine, Sue Dibny.>It started with my associate editor running gleefully into our boss’s office, several boards of art in his hand.>“The rape pages are in!”
>>153128863>>153128916>>153128931I'm pretty sure the writer is Valerie D'Orazio and the freelancer she verbally abused was Dan Slott. Which, is funny considering she like tweeted later about how annoying he was.Here's another link to this story.https://occasionalsuperheroine.substack.com/p/why-do-i-still-bother-with-comic?s=r
>>153129312So who was "Bondage Queen"? Wonder Woman? Fuck was happening in her stories at that time?
>>153129417It's a reference to Wonder Woman's Golden Age weakness...being tied up by a man.
>>153129435No, the "getting mind raped" stuff.
>>153129453Oh. Hmm...I'm not really sure then. Wonder Woman seems like it would be the most obvious choice considering what kind of degenerate her creator was.
>>153129469BDSM enthusiasts aren't mind rapists.
>it's a "people who grew up with 90s XTREEM try and justify their nostalgia by being salty bitches" episodeI'm Gen Y, and this shit was insufferable back then and it's insufferable now. People calling Liefeld's scribbles "sOvLfUl"... just admit you enjoyed it when you were 12 instead of being so fucking defensive about it.
>>153129512Look, obviously Bondage Queen is just a codename for Wonder Woman and she was probably just getting mindfucked by some lame villain (Max Lord, probably) at the time of Identity Crisis.
>>153129538We're adults that still read comics books. What's with this hangup about being nostalgic?
>>153128232Superman wasn't even edgy in the 90's and the books really weren't also, the edgiest Superman comic was making Toyman a child killer even Death Of Superman was pretty light.
>>153129538I'm not even a 90's kid, I grew up in the 00's but people who seethe about 90's comics are just kinda sad, it's over the top fun with crazy stylized art (good or bad at least it's interesting to look at) also the extreme stuff didn't even last long and wasn't most books.
>>153129538No, what has gotten insufferable is watching people still cling on to the idea that the 90s were the worst decade for comics ever while sidestepping that a lot of the 00s was just basically the worst storytelling aspects of the 90s, wrapped around the superficial attempt at "legitimacy"
>>153129538Yes anon, reduce all of a decades output into one artist, reduce all anons into one demographic, and don't even bring up any real examples beyond just one strawman. Shit bait, would not reply again.
>>153129538Funny how you exposed them so easily. There were a lot of amazing comics in the 90s, but these fuckers like the worst of the worst.
>>153129646>Funny how youChanged your phone IP to talk in the third person again, huh
>>153128037Red Zone was great and anyone who hates it is a tasteless maggot
>>153129687If I was that guy I could just reply to himself normally, no IP reset necessary. He might actually be an idiot, but he is right that you fuckheads are now praising Liefeld and Balent and Jim Lee and all that crap that gives the decade a bad rep.
>>153129709It's the same retarded who keeps screeching "Red Zone Ruined She Hulk" while showing how little he actually knows about She Hulk as Jen had gone Savage multiple times in her own book before Red Zone happened
>>153129765It's not so much the rampage, it's her losing her ability to be She-Hulk 24/7 and developing an imposter syndrome. She becomes a sad sack woe me character from this point on.
>>153127429They hated the fans so much they turned them into the main villain of the first Crisis sequel. And this was all the way back in 2005
>>153129538I don't exactly intend to weigh in on this, but I will say while trying to find any information about Deathmate beyond the market circumstances I stumbled onto a couple-hundred view video of a guy "reviewing" it that consisted entirely of him flicking through and going>Look at that badass art>Image is so fucking cool>I don't fucking care about that guy Valiant shit, too much talking>But still, look at that badass Image artand was kind of shellshocked that the strawman 90's reader not just existed, but still exists in the present day.
>>153126784 One of the greatest comic book writers ever and yet /co/ hates him for some reason.
>>153129538
>>153129538i was born in the literal early 90's and i already hated how comics were since i grew up with batman, beyond, supes, x-men and spider-man TAS.Hell i already hated shit like this back then when it was broadcasting on tvhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI__EW_fPJshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6sqh_SOpwY>>153129915And this was Johns literally making a full arc over he and HEAT due to DC fucking over the lanterns and Hal
>>153130187Extreme Dinosaurs looks cool as fuck, how could you hate that? I wish I saw that as a kid.
>>153130026>One of the greatest comic book writers ever He's alright.
>>153129538For me, it's not>The 90's edge crap was actually goodIt's more>The 90's was nothing but edge crap Or it was this stand-out era for gratuitousness when the 2000's was objectively worse at that regard
>>153129556That was after Identity Crisis.And I'm not asking about the source of the name, I know Wondy's creative origins well. I'm asking what the fuck was happening in her books in the early 00s before Identity Crisis.
There were plenty of good 90s comics.>Mark Waid Flash>PAD's Aquaman>Impulse>Ostrander's Martian Manhunter
It fucking sucks that Linkara & to a lesser extent Razorfist have poisoned the discourse on 90's comics.
>>153131276The discourse about the 90s existed before faggot youtubers made content explaining it to kids who were too young to live through it
>>15313127690's comics were poked fun at even during the 90'sBill Watterson had a whole Calvin & Hobbes strip lampooning them
>>153131465I dont take issue with the way Waid describes the sequence of events. Individual successes from the late 80's gave people a thematic target to chase and over the course of the next 10 years it noticeably moved the the Overton windows of acceptable content in the industry. And OP is completely discounting the unusual level of violence in early image books.
>>153131199>Mark Waid FlashRuined your list right off the bat lol
>>153132330Waid is a histrionic faggot but his Flash run is definitive. It's THE reason people like Wally.
>>153132546Qualityslop
>>153127778It was always lurking, when people used to criticize "crappy edgy 90s", somebody always pointed out that 90s!DC wasn't like that.
>>153132612Typical contrarian-critslop from a desperate rageslopper like yourself
>>153131199I've heard Superman in general was good in the 90s, the triangle era and all
>>153128863>Sue.Weird how they never talk about the murder mystery.
>>153132546It's shit.
>>153127429Nah, Johns was neck deep in favor of the nostalgia edgefest.Prime being his self-insert was accidental.
>>153126740It boils down to marketing. The 90s really weren't all that edgy compared to a lot of stuff but man did they want you to think they were.
>>153129312Dan Slott seems to be a punching bag of all editorial, Tom also seems to constantly humiliate him behind the scenes.
>>153127778>>153127425The 90s for all it's EXTREME edginess still felt like the people making it LIKED comics and wanted to MAKE comics. The 2000s started to make things seem like the creators were embarrassed of their own medium.
>>153130026>writes KC to whine about toxic masculinity ruining capeshit >20 years later>sides with toxic feminism that actually ruins the industry Also he's the typical superman manchild fan who was an early purveyor of the "this fictional character would agree with me" bullshit Stupid boomer cuck lib
>>153133269I think it's not only that but they also wanted to change comics in ways to get them noticed by Hollywood
>>153132612No, just slop. It's not a very good comic. It being the best run the character has doesn't mean it's automatically amazing.
>Why do people act like '90s comics were these extremely violent and edgy things?The 90s literally had a character named Adam the X-Treme. Also known as Burning Blood, The Destroyer of Life, and the Forsaken One.
>>153133560X-treme still mid compared to n52 Joker.
>>153133488Slop-brained reasoning
>>153133591You're not wrong.I think when people are saying the 90s are edgy they're saying that's where the edge really got it's start, not that it's the only era that was.
>>15313361090s edgy was Sue Storm in a swimsuit holding a gun bigger than The Thing. 90s edgy was Wolverine getting rabies and wearing a bandana.
>>153133634It was more like an attitude edge, similar to the action movies.2000s was the splathouse horror.
>>153127778>90's weren't all badIt wasn't. It had its dogshit books, sure, but the 90s gave us shit like Sandman, Lucifer, Star Man, Hellboy, PAD's Hulk, and all sorts of good shit. Fucking Ordway's Power of Shazam was a 90s book.Like any era, it was brilliant and it was horseshit.
>>153133095>Dan Slott seems to be a punching bag of all editorial,Fat fuck deserves it. Slimy rotten cunt.
>>153133941I think it really depends on what kind of fan you wereWhen I think of the 90's I think about quirky alternative comics with fun artstyles (though that's more of a late 90's thing that segway'd into the 2000's)
>>153133269Personally, I blame Wizard
>>153133591Sure. But you have to remember the "90's were blood and edge" is a complaint as old as the 90's. They're mostly quaint nowadays, but these were genuinely the kinds of things pushing the boundaries of comics in the 90's. They were selling points. They were the cultural shift. It's why you got comics like The Darkness and Spawn.Again, to be clear, I'd agree there's probably been more blood and guts and absurd edge since the 90's than in the 90's. But the 90's is when that shift happened and when that shift was notable. It's more than just the actual, visceral detail. The actual, on the page edge and gore was kind of tame, in retrospect. But it was the overall atmosphere, the "idea" that there was this new, dark edge to the stories. The way the character's acted. Talked. The tone the stories were meant to make you feel. The kind of things that could happen and what that said about the world. That this wasn't your daddy's cape shit. That's what the 90's was about. At once overly mature but also childish.People get all bent out of shape and try to push back against the critiques because, yes, there's been far worse excesses since the 90's. But the 90's is what made those excesses possible and they were selling their own versions of those excesses at the time. It was the point then in a way it isn't now, no matter how much "worse" it is now. It's impossible to disentangle that from the era. (And, of course, it was not all that happened either. But it's the trend that defined and shaped american capeshit then).
>>153133409>in ways to get them noticed by HollywoodAMC's The Walking Dead came out in 2011I've seen people argue that was really the moment creators really tried to get in bed with Hollywood even though Millar had like two films at that point and superhero films got a resurgence thanks to the like of Blade (granted that's sort of in the ballpark where it's superhero-adjacent), Spider-Man, The Dark Knight Rises, etc
>>153133941Every era is gonna have crap books. The 80s gets sucked off hard but seriously? Fallen Angels?! Jo Duffy did some good stuff but come on.
>>153133941>>153134330Eh, not quite. The really good comics didn't start until the 80s, but most comics have been crap for all time.Yes, 90s are unfairly maligned considering there were much more great books in the 90s than in the 30s through 70s combined.
>>153127488Based Johnny DC
>>153134149Walking Dead was when people saw proof it worked and went overboard with it, to the point where a lot of 2010s comics came off like they were made to get a film madeBut you can see the roots of it in the 2000sThe push for "widescreen" comics and the eschewing of traditional comics storytelling methods Millar and Hitch had Ultimate Nick Fury look like Samuel L Jackson and it worked in their favor when Jackson agreed to play Fury.Millar and JG Jones tried this again with the lead in the Wanted comic looking like Eminem but that didn't work out. Wanted got made into a film though.There was also the push for more writers outside of comics (some of this was happening in the 90s with JMS and Kevin Smith but it felt like they were doing this moreso in the 00s--Ron Zimmerman, Reggie Hudlin, Allen Heinberg, Damon Lindelof, etc etc)
>>153131276the lightbringer
Imagine thinking good comics are good when it's bad comics that sell the best.
>>153131199Those were mediocre.
>>153135866You're mediocre.
>>153136038I'm above average. You're below average. Except in weight, you're well above average.
>When you look at the actual books—even from Image—it was usually more of the same, but slightly more mature and dark. The colors were still bright, the action was still tame, and most killings happened off-camera or were barely violent at all.Think you should take another look at Spawn.
>>153137701N52 gore lanterns made me numb to this
>>153137701This is tame compared to 2000's sleaze.
>>153138056>pain, anger & .... humility?Did the writers forget the meaning of the word? And mistook it for humiliation?
>>153137701Yeah he's a shitposter. Image was godawful in the 90s. Marvel was shit too, but you had other publishers putting out actually good comics.
>>153138056Bendis got his first big break into comics doing a Sam and Twitch spinoff comic. Quesada liked what he saw, brought him to Marvel where he could do even more of it.
>>153138252Bendis gave a BPDemons an idol to look-up to.
>>153129583Did you read Bloodlines?
>>153135849>bad comics that sell the best.Such as?
>>153136049Typical response from a mediocre midwit like yourself
>>153139184Take a look at the top ten of any era really. The slop rises to the top.
>>153139374>midwitNot a real word
>>153137701>>153138056Thing that softens the 90s edge to me in comparison to the 2000s is the more exaggerated and goofy art styles and coloring. Todd's characters in particular can be real cartoony. I think for Image and Spawn the goofy writing and wildly varying tone also made it easy to not take this stuff seriously as opposed to the really try hard pretensions of the 2000s.
>>153126740Now show us the video where he explains how he impales Mora every night
>>153139794This era was nothing but fart huffing.
>>153127556>but the 2000's is when mainstream comics go trashythat was just mass culture in general. that era was just horribly tasteless and almost intentionally stupid.
>>153139922It was because of the 9/11 attacks
>>153139955A mix of 9/11 and Joey Q being a complete fucking meathead and thinking you can do anything to these characters and they'll be "fine".
>>153126740>It doesn't fit MY definition of edgy, so...
Fredric Wertham was right he was just 50 years too early.
>>153140140No, he's the reason we're in this shithole.
>>153140180Quesada is still breathing.
>>153139374Sounds like you got burned by the truth.
>>153140140This wouldn't have happened if he didn't kill the jungle girls genre
>>153139794Ironically Todd was taking it seriously.
>>153139955in fact glorifying white trash culture had become a thing in the late 90s, it just mushroomed after 9/11
>>153140227Something can be stylized and serious at the same time, even horror movies can have non-morbid-gags and moments of levity
>>153140227Yes but his art style and incompetent writing inevitably dulled the darkness of it. Spawn's tone is just fucking all over the place in these issues, the one after Kincade has Overtkill doing Looney Tunes bits.
>>153140036That isn't edgy, it's just what Gen Xers and 12 year olds thought was cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcryyvQAqc8Has enough time has passed so we can finally lampoon the 00's? Because we where making fun the 90's in the 90's. The 2000's is this weird sacred cow.
>>153140200>>153139602>midwit getting so mad he changed his phone IP to reply twicekek
>>15314038800s Marvel getting made fun of is LONG overdue. The reason you don't see it is because too many of the people involved with enforcing it are still in power and there's too many psueds that think it was higher art than everything that came before
>>153140339Well, thank you for proving my point.
>>153140452Your point is that a powerless Superman using guns to shoot down machinery is more edgy than Identity Crisis?
>>153140388I think the Kyle Baker Plastic Man was doing a little of this at the time
>>153140438It's wouldn't be hard either. >Spider-Man steals from UNICEF.>She-Hulk get an abortion.>Beast purposely infects African children for his experiments.
>>153140452This destroyed boomers minds back in the 90's. Then again Boomers think GTA 4 gameplay is real life.
>>153140438I always found it odd how Marvel always pushed the 00's stuff over the any Classic era material. It's like they're ashamed of their past.
>>153140723Classic like the 60s? It's not as easy to sell to new readers because the writing is so corny.
>>153140837"Answers" like this are really black pilling.
>>153140388It is because the dudes who did the 2000s are still too influential.
>>15314083700s Marvel is more corny than 60s Marvel now
>>153140919This.
>>153140452>>153140486>90s at its edgiest>Superman shooting robots.>2000s at its confiest.>A baby being slaughtered after watching his mother be decapitated.
This topic is hard because both sides are correct.DC in the 90s were one of the most diverse comics companies, you had vertigo releasing along Flash , a basically Silver age comic but in the 90s , but also some Spiderman-like comics like the Triangle era with drama and a huge secondary cast, and things like starman , Aquaman,Hourman,dr Fate,...But Kingdom Come was released in 1996 and probably started to write 1-2 years before, 1989-1994 we had many héroes failing like Death of Superman, Green Arrow, Knighfall, Emerald Twilight,... It was not a Dark time but in universe It was a hard time to be a Hero.
>>153140919Civil War still sells, it has writing and art that still look acceptably modern. Stan and Jack were kings of the 60s, but it aged like milk. In the 00s they tried updating those stories, but there still wasn't much interest in them.
>>153141003Kingdom Come was Alex Ross being pissed off at Liefeld, McFarlane, and Larsen. Magog is visually Cable.
>>153141004>We have a Marvel Staffer in thread! Hi Dan~
The 90s were the 90s, for better or worse, it gets really goofy or crazy. The 2000s leans more into the filth and grit when missing the nuance and whimsy.
>>153140723Nobody but autists will enjoy 60s corniness.
>>153140296Yeah it's a shitty comic book.
>>153126740What would this tub of onions know about a super man?
>>153140408Damn this redditor was so burned he's still butthurt.
>>153141004Cause the updates lost part of what made the originals workLike look at your example, the surface art of the 00s remake looks okay but the storytelling/staging is worse
>>153141064Austists are only the one that should be reading/writing comics Byrne, Thomas, Claremont. Normalfags like Quesada, Bendis & Slott ruined the industry.
>>153141064That's what Old Gen Xers think about 60s comics and now they're on their way to the retirement home
>>153141110>Normalfags like these autistsYou're retarded.
>>153141110Slott's not normal, he was such a comics fanboy that he applied for an unpaid internship at Marvel that was meant exclusively for college students even though he never went to college.
>>153141097On top of that the coloring decision is somehow worse in the second one, all the colors seem like the same tone when you look at the thumbnail. In the first the colors varied enough that I can tell there a contrast between Peter and Betty in the thumbnail.
>>153141143>goalpost moving
>>153141143You have to be retarded to like comics.>>153141159>Slott's not normal“cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks”.
>>153141159That's just because he didn't want to work at Shell with is Daddy.
I would rather read anything from the 90's and 00's, edginess and all, than anything from today's comics full of fags and toxic feminism.
>>153140723Because if fans read the old comics they'd reject more of the 00s and after stuff even more, that's why it's in Marvel's interest to send out people to claim no one wants to read stuff made before the 00s
>>153141240What? You don't like trauma-dumping & food!?!
>>153140339>That isn't edgy, it's just what Gen Xers and 12 year olds thought was cool.You know you can say a lot about the 90s. You can criticize it any number of ways. But above all else, the 90s was trying to be cool.
>>153137701>Killed off camera>Covered in shadows so can't see full detail>Barely any blood>Still bright coloringThis is like a soft R or hard PG-13, anon.
>>153138202>Image was godawful in the 90sSettle down Linkara.
>>153141296There wouldn't be that much blood and objects sticking out of a person in a PG-13 film.
>>153141110Slott was obviously not normalfags, I think is like Diddio, he just has a different taste than us.Bendis IS obviously a normie that grow Up with West coast Avengers and Miller Daredevil, that's why he ignore Busiek's Avengers and the Daredevil between JMD and Kessel to write his fanfics
I am completely capable of admitting I fucking hate 90's and 2000's both. It's not the edge but the character assassinations and the horrendous art. Yes, 90's art is bad. 2000's art has that weird computer color to it.
>>153141203What do you mean goalpost moving? You just tried to prove your point by calling autistis normal. Fuck you, retard.>>153141211>You have to be retarded to like comics.No, just the comics you like.
>>153141342The only thing Autist about Slott is that he knows continuity that's it. His books are continuity porn but everything else is basic bitch normie smug talking points.
>>153139794Late 90's/2000's had that cartoony fighting game,manga,anime,Bruce Timm inspired stuff which was better than the detailed but kinda cartoony of the early 90's imo but fandom rejected it for boring bland straight forward Alan Davis and Brian Bolland without the soul and talent type shit because how dare our cartoons look like cartoons.
>>153140227People take One Piece seriously and shit like Looney Tunes.
>>153141400Go back to CBR.
>>153141004>153140837Marvel Age was cool, really love that stylized 00's art on the Spidey book.
>>153141356The character assassinations in DC reach more in the 00s.You had Rucka doing ruin , Austen/Azzarello/Verheiden writing Superman(and even JL for a little) , Identity Crisis, the Batcunt era, Dick Grayson getting raped and trying to making him a gipsy.Hell even though a good run, Wonderwoman was hurt with the more killing friendly and Geoff made Wally a little different and spent many time about the rogues.I agree with the art, I think 00s was even worse than 90s , just compare Laroque on Flash with any 00s flash artist until manapul.
>>153141240It's 2026, we move past that awhile ago like 2019, now comics are pretty bland and safe but fine, those grifters on Youtube got nothing to work with now hints the views dying.
>>153141356Early digital coloring > lateridk what the fuck happened.
>>153141535They became quislings.
>>153141601Lol video by the guy who beats his wife.
>>153141535>It's 2026, we move past that awhile ago like 2019Yeah, you would think that would be the case, but character assassinations like picrel still happen and Captain Marvel is still alive so we really haven't moved on from that unfortunately.
>>153141640Tim Drake been doom before the ''woke'' thing, blame Morrison.
The only evergreen content from that era is Frank.
>>153141414That late 90s style was my favorite, Joe Mad, my goat. People are fucking retarded
>>153141535Woke isn't dead, It's just hibernating.
>>153141570They got really bad with the gradients. Flat colors are perfectly fine.
>>153142450Bad gradients and computer effects are what I think of when I picture 90s coloring honestly, alongside just bad color choices in general. So many hideously colored books from Image at that time. Probably the thing that puts me off that era the most, they didn't get decent with computer coloring until like this decade honestly and it's still hit and miss.
>>153142490I thought WildStorm's were great, there was a reason why DC put them to work on all the Batman and Superman books when they acquired them.
>>153144069Typical capeshit eventuality.
>>153144307Comics really are mythology told by the village idiot.
>>153141890This can't possibly be real
>>15312674090s had more nior stuff and spawn was hitting its peak of popularity. Art was far more detailed despite it being over size.
>>153142490I remember a few comics had really bad CGI effects, which I guess was probably a new hotness at the time, new tool to play with but it probably doesn't hold up as good as they would have liked.
>>153145520Fantastic Four 29.
>>153145327Didn't know you were telling them anon
>>153145834Hey I'm straight-white male I'm blacklisted from the industry.
>>153145520Not only is it real, but it's from a comic /co/ swears up and down is good.
>>153145866I wish that were the truth so we wouldn't have to put up with the likes of Waid, Slott, Cantwell, Williamson, Zdarsky, North...
>>153146412Jews aren't White, & none of those guys are straight.
>>153146412All faggots.
>>153146412I still don't get why people dislike North's work.Like his FF run just feels like perfectly acceptable filler.
>>153146448>>153146427So >>153145866 shouldn't have a problem with getting in the industry then
>>153146863Is this him>>153141890?
>>153147034Yes.
>>153147048There's your answer then. He's a gigantic hack.
>>153147034>>153147048Ah he is a lib so filler automatically gets downgrade to shit because it give a lib work, fair enough.
>>153147710I gave his Hulk Smashes Everything a try, It wasn't good.
>>153126740>When you look at the actual books—even from Image—it was usually more of the same, but slightly more mature and darkRead more comic books faggot. If I had to guess you are complaining about Carnage in the 90s, which didnt have any gore obviously.
>>153149030It's really not that bad though and it's not a regular thing, that's like calling this graphic, the idea is graphic but the actual art not that much.
>>153149062You are really pushing it if you think fingers of dead kids that arent in the shadow and are completely drawn is not edgy. It is. You were proven wrong. Every number of spawn is like that. Next time complain about the comic books in particular you want to complain, dont throw company names at random. Again, you were complaining about spiderman-superman most probably.
>>153149107It's edgy but it's not that graphic and it's still pretty tame for a book about a child killer.
It's funny how zoomers have embraced 90's comics meanwhile people that grew up with them are too irony poisoned to enjoy them I guess, absolute DC is basically 90's inspired and I see zoomers talk about reading older comics and always 90's also you look at artists on Twitter their art very 90's inspired.
>>153149184>irony poisonedHit the nail right on the head, If Gen-Xers are one thing it's being allergic to sincerity.
>>153149184The funniest bit is them flocking to prr crisis DC.
>>153146863I'm only saying this because it's what the people who like it say but because it's COMFY. It's safe. It's no pressure doesn't make me feel scared mindless entertainment with smiles. I don't mind it really but you summed it up pretty well. It's been an entire run of what would otherwise be a fill in.
>>153146863>perfectly acceptable fillerIs this what you read comics for? For filler?
>>153149184>It's funny how zoomers have embraced 90's comics meanwhile people that grew up with them are too irony poisoned to enjoy them I guess,I wouldn't say it's the people who grew up with them because it's more like the people who enjoyed them may have left comics during the 90s while others stayed and read other comicsThe irony poisoned people were usually the people who blindly praised 00s comics while trashing older comics (not just 90s but even before that), or who copied how Warren Ellis writes, or work at Comics Alliance. Looking back the 00s-10s had the most insufferable cheerleaders of comics>>153149334Even though some of those tweeters' view of how Superman should be can get annoying, at least I have more respect for them for actually reading comics made before they were born. There were some people in nerd circles in the 00s whose only knowledge of Superman seemed like they came from reading Superdickery snark
>>153149171How is it no graphic, you bumbling buffoon?
>>153150007North's kind of filler is the solution to event fatigue and is necessary to make it so when something serious happens it actually matters.Old comics used to drip feed stuff like character development over years worth of time with arcs being touched upon at the start and end of individual; filler issues, with events to punctuate or create big shakeups. Now since every run and every story needs to be this big defining thing which changes the characters forever, having a run which exists to keep the characters on shelves and provide a stable status quo the audience is happy with without needing to blow up the books internal setting is something more books should do.North's run is the kind of run that later writers with big stories to tell need as both grounding and raw material that can be dug deeper into or repurposed thematically.So I read comics for it? NoDo I think that it should exist for the health of the FF as a ongoing story? YesAnd if it sells its doing its job.
