…just hours after RGB’s creator got in contact with a legal team. (Source: https://x.com/_ViviVovo_/status/2041702925991604508 )(Screenshot source: https://x.com/FM54321/status/2041689947493523487 )Thoughts?
>>153133393Hey guys, Mario here. There's this guy named Wario who looks just like me. Should I hire a legal team to sue him?
>>153133393Who’s RGB?
>>153133931The guy whose design was stolen to create mr Puzzles
>>153133393>…many people in the SMG4 community…You can say “the middle school special needs class”, it’s honestly more respectable.
how is this different from any other TV-headed character
>>153134220Mr. Tenna get down.
>>153133393oh for the love of; all TV head characters are the same
>>153133393Bullshit, it’s way too similar to be a coincidence. Someone post the comparison.
>>153133393This didn't need a second thread.>>153134220It's not.>>153134312They don't even look like they belong to the same universe. "Too similar" my ass.
>>153134220>>153134312the way i see it, it's the head specifically, with the type of tv, the way the knobs are turned and both mouths being made out of the tv color bars fashioned into a smileit's specifically the mouth being color bars in the exact same way extending towards the bottom of the screen that convinces me towards the similarities
>>153133393Guys, someone made a cartoon about a girl that is friends with a trouble making ghost. We should sue!
>>153134370Yeah, it's pretty similar if you deliberately ignore the differences.
>>153134312It’s in story too not just the design
>>153134370man it's almost like they were both based off the same 1950s television
>>153134393That's crazy, I have never seen such blatant idea theft before!!
>>153134416My parents and grandparents had tvs with the exact same layoutGuess they were stealing the design too
>>153134394>Yeah, it's pretty similar if you deliberately ignore the differences.
>>153134417What's next, a cartoon about a fat dumb guy that mostly avoids his family by hanging out at a bar?
>>153134441lmao you can't be serious those are way more similar to each other than RGB to Puzzles
>>153134450That sucks, cartoons are fucked. I'm glad comics have never done this before.
>>153133393The detractors sent here were too obvious after they had a bigger fit than the accuser so she's probably at least halfway right on the money about the copying
>>153134543>People couldn't possibly just disagree with me. >No, it's everyone else who is wrongOk Skinner
>>153134543You mean the fits madmods was having in the other thread, and so made this thread to get away from? Yeah, good job.
>>153134321What was the first thread called?
>>153134543Yeah lots of spam to drown out discussion on something no one here would gaf about otherwise
>>153134399It's not similar in story at all
>>153134370What's this? Oh, it's King TV Dinnah, doing the eye thing years before RGB was even createdGuess RGB is the real ripofff
>>153134566Not much, what was the first thread called with you?
>>153134611Pretty astute of you to frame him that way so you don't see he doesn't have the tumblr sexyman body and outfit
>>153134619King TV Dinnah and RGB dress the same
>>153133393Thats all? Is any concept art out?
>>153134611Someone in the last thread gathered a lot of tv head pics from decades old cartoons too.
>>153134697And twitter noticed there are enough tv heads to make a calendar
>>153134632They literally do not have a single outfit element in common but I guess I shouldn't expect a /co/ nerd who spends the day in their underwear to distinguish between a business suit and a boating blazer
>>153133393lmao OC artists suing each other. the entire thing about OCs is theyre never original to begin with. theyre always from some anime video game or comic the creator was hyperfixated on.
>>153133393Calling it now, if they continue addressing any and all retarded drama that comes their way, it's gonna backfire hard.
>>153134370I like how people completely ignore the color bar mouth thing which I have not seen no other characters have just to say "THERE ARE OTHER TV HEADS'. The intentional ignorance is really telling
>>153136366>>153134416
>>153136366the color mouth is the focal point of both designs, especially on mr puzzles where it's the only part of him that has color. you're meant to notice it. anybody ignoring it is doing so deliberately.
>>153136366The color bar mouth thing is the main point of similarity, the problem is it's really not a huge reach for two non-communicating people, each trying to come up with a TV-head character, to see/remember >>153134416 and go "hey, that looks something like a stylized face if you squint," and to work out a relatively simple design from there. Like the fundamental issue is more that TV heads are an easy enough idea to reach for that you eventually will get these sorts of collisions between people with no awareness of each other. Just come up with weirder shit and you won't have to worry about whether any of the 900 artists doing similar work as you have been secretly COPYING you or not. I don't think Tom Bloom is losing much sleep over these sorts of issues, for instance.
>>153136704TV heads cross into each other’s streams all the time. Several TV heads are suit wearers desperate to get back into the good graces of people who no longer want them. It honestly reflects the current state of network television.
>>153133393Until they show the concept art, this is a lie
>>153134543RGB's creator sounds unwell, and doesn't seem mentally equipped to deal with a situation like this in spite of her age (at least judging by her recent comments).But it's also abundantly evident to me this indeed is a case of plagiarims. The Property of Hate might be unknown to a majority of post-COVID zoom zooms, but it REALLY was a popular webcomic around 2013-2016. RGB was the first instance through which I became aware of these type of "objecthead" characters and the same probably applies to a lot of people.
>>153136783>modmad invented television signalshi, sarah
>>153136828You guys are so obtuse. The claim is founded upon how both designs as a whole share the same core visual elements on top of the same character premise.
>>153136366I just don't think it's that big of a deal.Also you're a faggot.
>>153133393Who?
>>153133393Gee it's almost like all these indie cartoons and even indie games have the same pool of references to draw from and barely do they branch out
Separately from whether or not there was actual 'plagiarism' (I don't expect so, for reasons stated upthread)... sorry but this is such a brutal case of IP derangement syndrome. "Losing everything." What the fuck is being taken from you in this situation? Doing the OHHH I'M GONNA START CUTTING NOW AND YOU WON'T BE PROUD OF YOURSELF routine over you-wouldn't-steal-a-car shit.
>>153136946Reminder that this is a 39 year old who has been actively posting online for over a decade.
>>153134370The truth is that these tv head showmen are just an incredibly generic idea. Multiple artists arrived at the same design conclusions.
>>153134704Got the names for each character here?
>>153134704Amazing that they all have the same RGB liquid teeth. Such a common trait across all iterations that can clearly be seen here.
>>153137606It’s not that much of a stretch to have on a TV head.
you still didn't invent teeth, sarah
>>153136909Bingo.
>>153134611https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxhVH_5vZzMHis introduction has always stuck with me
>>153134704There's about 120 around since the 80s. Sorta. That's 2 or 3 a year if you count the ones that are not so much tv heads instead just a robot with a screen or computer with arms. Much fewer actual tv heads as opposed to various robot types. Where's that collage? I thought that these specific two were the two biggest look a likes in it. If there is story elements alike too that doesn't help smg4s arguement that everything was coincidental.
>>153134997They both wear a suit jacket with notched lapels, slacks, a dress shirt, and leather shoes. No one seems to think the details matter when talking about Puzzles, so they must not matter here either. King TV Dinnah seems to be, as far as I can tell, the first TV head guy wearing a suit, meaning all that come after are cribbing off of him.>>153136852>as a whole share the same core visual elementsThat's not copyright infringement, and they are visually distinct.>on top of the same character premise.Also not copyright infringement, and a quick glace at the TV Tropes page for both says you're full of shit.>>153136946>suicide baitingIf this is manufactured drama wholesale madmod is at the very least milking the shit out of it
I wonder why this fight is being picked with SMG4 rather than Vivziepop. I mean, Vox is a very similar character to Mr. Puzzles. Pretty much just him but less sympathetic. Is the Vivziepop cow milked too hard or did Modmad think she was white and thus she couldn’t disenfranchise her as much? SMG4 is visibly Asian, by the way.
>>153135241>How would you all trying to avoid this?You don't, and really, you can't. In character design you are always stepping on someone's toes. That's why copyright doesn't protect ideas or characters. If you start going through characters from anything you'll find them again and again - who can say how many Gandalf knockoffs there are in fantasy fiction? It's a lot. Characters being similar, even down to looking similar and having similar stories, isn't by itself copyright infringement.>>153138090Because it's not actually about which character is most similar. It's about the use of the SPMTE bars.
>>153138102Maybe she should sue the estates of Norbert D. Larky and David D. Holmes then.
>>153138102If we’re going by Modmad’s logic Homer should be getting royalties from basically every adventure story ever made and every single battle shonen
>>153137989>That's not copyright infringementAnd? Who cares? It's still blatantly based on it.>and they are visually distinctNot really.
>>153138222>And? Who cares?a court of law, sarah
I think the most glaring thing about this situation, and these threads in particular, is how there's a noticeable amount of adults willing to label themselves as part of something called "the SMG4 fandom" to the point of getting defensive over a shitty attempt at designing a Tumblr sexyman.
>>153138222>And? Who cares? It's still blatantly based on it.So what? That's not a crime, and it happens literally all the time.Example; in Dragonlance, there is a wizard who appears as an old man in robes with a staff and hat. Pic related is his appearance on one of the covers; he is visually Gandalf. He also plays a similar role to Gandalf, where he comes and goes in the story to help the characters. He's even actually a divine being in disguise.This is not copyright infringement.>Not really.They have completely different silhouettes, proprotions, style, ect. Go ahead, black out both figures and post the results. I dare you.
>>153138260i'm not pro-puzzles, i'm anti-obvious delusional bullshit
>>153138281Even if Modmad did have a case the shit she has been posting is fucking insane. Why are so many people coddling a 40-year-old for acting like a teenager?
>>153134370Mr puzzles is likely a copped design. Not in an evil way, but more in a looked up TV head characters on google images, saw this design, thought "hey this looks cool" and just copied it subconciously. Happens to a lot of artists
>>153138090Vox or any other character don't match as much
>>153138523Add to that comparison that mr Puzzles literally bleeds color from his mouth in the new trailer, and that's a really distinctive trait of RGB among all the TV heads listed so far
>>153138523Even more damong when RGB doesn't have his vest on in the comic
>>153138523>>153138554>>153138564all sarah
There isn't another as close pair. Ignore the last two. That's the same exact character, the robots in Skibidi Toilet upgrade their bodies for the arms race.
>>153138523This chart lies. RGB's shoes DO have heels, they are not flats. You can even seem them IN THAT IMAGE. It also downplays similarities between Vox and RGB, while exaggerating similarities between RGB and Puzzles. Example; All of them are wearing bowties, but Vox is given a pass because it's a clip on(not visible). His bowtie is given another pass for having a small knot, while Puzzle's comically large knot is not. also, in what world is Puzzle wearing a "regular dress shirt?" The body is gray, the sleeves are white, and he's got french cuffs with white links, and his shirt studs are white. RGB has no visible buttons whatsoever, is plain white, and has no breast pocket. they also all have different collars, despite what this says; Puzzles is worn down, RGB's is popped up, and Vox's is a starched detachable collar.There is a TON of bias in this, when it's not straight up wrong(Vox isn't wearing a sweater vest, that's a regular vest you fuckwit).>>153138609>no King TV Dinnah>no Vox>no Tennalollmao even
>>153138635I didn't draw these up. Same thing here, no contenders for a pair as similar, especially on the account of a more unique detail. The other collage does have Vox and Tenna too.
>>153138266Fantasy is so generic that you can make comparisons between all the major franchises. And don't forget Neil Gaiman's Books of Magic that predates Harry Potter by a decade.i unno man if you're going to sue someone you have to go beyond "they both have tv heads and color smiles!"
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>>153138780>>153138792>>153138799>>153138805This is a reach. They are reaching for reasons to justify a 40 year old throwing a fit.
Idk but I'd personally focus on the knobs being turned in the exact same direction as proof that there's something up instead of the mouth-bar thing.
>>153134704>no burn botWhy was she snubbed?
>>153138715I count 4 designs on there (besides the offender and the complainant) with an SMPTE related design, and two with big-vertical-bar smiles (pink-yellow outfit guy on the very left, monochrome face guy on the bottom row). Let's hope these other victims of brutal, uncompromising art THEFT can have justice served!
>>153138792>they look the same if I change fundamental design detailsBruh.
>>153134704>no Prince Robot, the only good part of Saga
>>153138893Tbf the they really just got rid of the eyes and jacket.
>>153138852People have also pointed that out.
>>153136783...did the creator legally trademark that design?
>>153138523This reminds me of that other artist who thought Vox was a ripoff of her TV head. The similarity was his eyes spiraled when he was angry. It’s always after they blow up these women start seething like a divorcee wanting alimony. Arthoes are crabs in a bucket.
>>153133393Sooo...is this really a case of>Those people stole MY design!!! They need to pay!!and not really a case of >Those people are being so much more successful than MEEEE and nobody knows my name!! I should have that popularity and money not them!!!
>>153136946>>153136991It's really hard to think this person is any older than 13. This is dumb middle school shit.
>>153139027Dude that’s so common. Insecure ass artists will have disclaimers warning people not to compare their generic ass characters to existing characters. Even something as simple as “their hair style reminds me of X” will result in someone slitting their wrists.
>>153133393>giving attention to autistsDumb move. You're supposed to just deplatform them behind the scenes. Otherwise /co/ will side againsg you.
>>153138715>no contenders for a pair as similar,Vox is more similar. The one in the black suit is also WAY more similar, having a similar proportion and posing in addition to a near identical outfit(notched suit jacket, slacks, gloves, heeled leather shoes). In fact, all this proves is that "TV head + classic menswear" is a really, really common combination, as there are 10+(I stopped counting) characters here with that combo, not counting RGB and Puzzles.>>153138735And A Wizard of Earthsea predates both, and has a number of commonalities with Harry Potter. There's only like 8 plots - less depending on who you ask - so this isn't a shocker.>>153138792This is incredibly disingenuous.>two tiny detailsNo less than four different details in the shirt ALONE. Even the details of the TV head differ; RGB's has a second plane further back, his antenna are offset, his screen has less framing around it, RGB's knobs are two-tone, Puzzle's has a logo and additional buttons, and so on. You can't just count similarities, and making them look more alike purposefully(like by not using RGB's more common jacketed appearance) is showing the weakness of your argument.>>153138852Honestly, it's just the most dynamic way to place them. Either they would have been pointing inward out outward; it's a fifty-fifty design wise. Putting them both vertical or horizontal is a no-go, and one horizontal and one vertical is more stable, but not fitting for the character of Puzzles.
TV heads have been a tumblr sexyman staple for many years.
>>153138715Bottom right corner, right next to puzzles. Wearing a suit, and his hat is off center, on the same exact side as RGB.
>>153138266I don't think you have to go that far. Just think about how many copies of superman are out there. How many superheroes are buff guys with capes that fly and lift heavy things?How many cartoon cats chase cartoon mice?How many cartoon ducks are there?How many cartoon sitcoms are about a wacky underachieving family with a fat dumb dad?How many anime series feature a spiky haired guy that died and woke up in a RPG fantasy world?How many giant robots wrestle monsters in downtown?
>>153138609Would Robocop 2 Count?
>>153138523The mouth is really the most damning part. Everything else is just tumblr sexyman cliches.RGB is overall a better design though.
>>153139486>copyright claiming old SMPTE color bars
>>153139522It's not about the colors it's about turning it into a mouth. Obviously 2 people could come up with that idea independently.
>>153139141This really takes me back to some 2000s era furfag drama about which cast of characters were ripping off the others. I makes me think there is an omnipresent population with that same psychological tendency to become possessive and bossy, if you combing that with a creative storytelling urge or some kind of wicca/fairy.
>>153139486>The mouth is really the most damning part. Considering it was specifically asked that this be changed, it's pretty obvious this is the part that's actually sticking in Sarah's craw.>RGB is overall a better design though.I agree, which makes this crashout all the more embarrassing.
>>153139027A claim based on only the eye swirls when he's angry? This one is a bigger stretch and not especially comparable. Anybody would be able to tell this one apart from Vox easily. The last point doesn't really apply because this started up right around Mr.Puzzles first ever appearance. Maybe one or two million views at the time which is an audience but isn't that much. I think it took Puzzles four episodes to blow up a lot but its been a while.
>Every brain dead take of "Urm...ackually, other tv head characters exist!"
>>153139562Why do they both bleed and is there any other instances of tv head mouths or faces casually bleeding?
Why are people so god damb litigious these days
>>153134473My favourite thing rewatching Batman Beyond this year was all the blatant marvel ripoffs like fake fantastic four
>>153139647Canti is a robot
>>153139636I guarantee you someone on Tumblr or Deviantart from 20 years ago has the same detail on their OC.
Now we can sue them for only 99.99.99 99.99.99!!!If no one gets this in going to have a midlife crisis
>>153139617Multiple suited TV heads is actually a problem(for Sarah). How do we know RGB was ripped off specifically, and not Vox, King TV Dinnah, Tenna, or the 10+ other suited TV heads? And why is Puzzles the target why others are more similar without the mental gymnastics?>>153139636A mouth...dripping liquid...certainly, nothing like that has ever, ever happened.
>>153139617Smg4 fans or people who don't know the difference between a penguin and another penguin, a penguin and a duck or a duck and a goose or just don't give a damn
>>153138266I can name at leadt 5 trillion JRPG enemies, Digimon and Demons from SMT "stolen" from /co/ material. SMT and Digimon both have Ghost Riders and Spawns. SMT has beetlejuice and the car from carrie. And MICKEY MOUSE AND DONALD DUCK. FF7 has the Horned King from Disney's Black Cauldron...
>>153139747>duck or a duck and a gooseHoly fuck you just unlocked memories I had completely locked away of playing duck duck goose in elementary school.
Digimon has a tv head too
Can we find the oldest TV head?
>>153139636>>153139675boom some da user's oc chart from 2010suck my dick
>>153139858The Ghost of Christmas Future in Scrooged was 1986.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c28Srx-FuGI
>>153139617Yeah like whether or not you think this person has a point, people keep focusing on the TV head thing when that's not part of the argument.
>>153139858>>153139907Does he count or do you need a body in order to be a true TV head?
>>153139914They always miss the forest.
>>153140074Idk, technically RGB doesn't have a body under the clothes. You can see it's just empty.
>>153139914>people keep focusing on the TV head thing when that's not part of the argument.Why do you lie?
>>153139893>>153139741Its not from the teeth. Its from the screen rim and neck. There's no regular old reason for teeth on a tv screen or robot to casually be leaking biological material in this manner, directly from the teeth or flat, undamaged screen. From the teeth, not even a mouth, screen rim or screen crack. There's a specific story detail why RGB has this material coming out of his teeth. Why is the mouth almost the exact same and it also bleeds too on Mr.Puzzles? Same teeth colors, boxy teeth shape, area of bleeding and color of the bleeds on just these two. That's too much to all be a coincidence. It's not normal for all of these components to be present together in the same feature on something else. More so when its not the only thing the exact same or very similar.
>>153140260>Its not from the teeth. Its from the screen rim and neck. It's clearly bleeding from the black bars you disingenious fuck.
>>153140314Those black bars are not teeth. What about how they both kidnapped and manipulated the weirdest and loneliest little girl they could find to further their agendas? Did any other tv heads kidnap and keep living kids as puppets aside from these two and Harley Sawyer?
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>>153140488>you like characters with tv heads? name everything they've all ever done!nta, nice try, sarah
>>153140554Yet again the only thing you have to defend yourself is deflection and insults, huh?
>>153140488AlsoTv heads who used to be human- neon j, tv heads of skibidi toilet, vox, rgb, mr puzzles, robocop, harley sawyer, robert crane Tv heads who used to be emotionally disturbed, mentally ill and lonely british men who had a talent in film- rgb, mr puzzles.Its always the most specific iteration of a detail with these two, among traits that are not common here or elsewhere.
>>153140639BRB, let me become onmiescent so that i can say for sure that none of the others have done that and that you're the specialist snowflakeohm... ohm... ohm...damn, no good
>>153134312>>153134543>>153138260>>153138452>>153138609Mte, it’s obvious this is a ripped design and the smg4 people are lowqual shitting up the thread to distract from the point
>>153140685>Only child little girl who wears a raincoat and yellow rainboots with a troubled parental relationship discovers an escape in her house to another world, led by a sassy British-coded man who knows more than he tells Someone call Neil Gaiman, this british hoe stole Coraline!
>>153140864why are you so freaked out?
>>153140897>sh-shut up, chudntahi again, sarahstill at it, i see?
>>153134240Nope
>>153140864You weren't supposed to say dat
>>153140925This is personal then? You think I’d have to be the creator to notice how unhinged this behavior is? Lol.
>>153134370I honestly feel there's reason to complain about similar TV headed characters because we've had so many TV headed showman in the last 5 years, to make a design SO spot into someone else's, is a valid complaint. >>153133393If Mr. Puzzels was going to have other concept designs, why did he end up looking so close to someone else's design like this? They picked this TV to chase the trend and subconsciously remembered this rainbow smile from someone you saw previously.I bring up Mr. Monitor as another older TV headed character design that people are too afraid to do because they want a tumblr sexyman and not actually design unique characters. Admit you fucked up, and go back to the drawing board.
>>153141086>she genuinely doesn't get itoh dear
>>153134370>>153141128K
>>153136366>>153136440Yeah, it’s very telling.
>>153141171psst. a special hint for you, sarah. almost all of my posts replying to you call you sarah.
>>153140995Cute
>>153140864Child little girl has a much bigger sample pool. 1000s of characters since man ever began telling stories. Among the features of the girls, the looks of their bodies, hair and faces as well as color schemes are different and not alike. Like sylvester vs vox, no one would ever confuse these two. Heres my nitpicks since you insist. The door to the other world was found by rgb, not hero, and not in the home either. We only know that hero has a mother and misses her and her home, not the status of their relationship. Her mom is sleep talking in one frame on one page of the whole comic that doesnt even show her body or bed. You really need to learn more before trying to argue that the chance of plagiarism is -200% or deflecting and not answering when its your turn to support your claim. If its just false overdramatic bullshit that doesn't belong in court then why is this specifically getting such close attention from you or anyone else, with wide middle ground to positive reception online including from people who offered to pay a lawyer for her, in an age where you say internet blowups from artsy women are common? Its because it has legs.
>>153141364>sarah tries for round 3
>>153141216Yeah I can tell you call everyone that, because you’re doing what this guy is saying >>153141364For some reason.
>>153141401>similarities never exist except when it benefits my narrative, then they always happenthis is what is going to happen to you in court
>>153141450 (me)*what you think is going to happen to you in courtoopsie!
>>153141126>I bring up Mr. Monitor as another older TV headed character design that people are too afraid to do because they want a tumblr sexyman and not actually design unique characters.There are people out there who want to fuck the robot from Rocket Monkeys. Besides, Mr. Monitor doesn't even look too different from any other TV-headed Tumblr Sexy Man aside from being more heavily built. Also is the person constantly fighting against the other anons RGB's actual creator or is just some white knight?
>>153140995>>153141126lemme rephrase that; all current-era tv head characters are the samewhat with their tuxedos and teeth and all
>>153141450So you think she has a case is what youre saying haha
>>153139522The issue is that no zoomzooms know what that shit is at all and they think it's just directly copying another artist to have those color bars in that same order.
>>153141642>>153137606
>>153139085Yeah...i think we are at best a day or two away from the big reveal that this woman is having a midlife crisis over not being rich and famous from her work after years of trying, while zamination are a group of early 20 somethings that hopped right into internet popularity using a somewhat similar looking character. ....as if the character design is what draws in audiences or makes something memorable.
>>153141401>>153141552I'm not Sarah. He thinks that theres like five Sarahs here by the way. He claims he doesn't have a stake or interest in Mr.Puzzles, or show any real interest about discussing the weight of this plagarism, or has ever previously known sarah or rgb. But has been in the threads since Easter....... if he's not actually a Mr.Puzzles fan he should probably get a counter lawyer lined up or tell his boss they need to look for one instead of this wacky crap.
>>153141731you're right, i AM too invested in watching this trainwreck of a threadwant a medal for noticing?no, wait, you definitely dowith all of that said>weight of this plagiarismlol, lmao
>>153140488>moving goalpostsKek.>What about how they both kidnapped and manipulated the weirdest and loneliest little girl they could find to further their agendas? Did any other tv heads kidnap and keep living kids as puppets aside from these two and Harley Sawyer?Because kidnapping little girls isn't something that's at all common in fiction, especially among the mentally deranged. Also, good job ignoring their dofferent roles in their respective stories(villain vs secondary protag).You can't just count the similarities. You have to count the differences as well.>>153141126>so closeThey aren't. Like the dozen or so suited tv heads, they pull from elements common to classic menswear, that are not unique to RGB. Which means the details fucking matter. Puzzles is the only one to not wear a jacket. He has a completely unique shirt, unique suspender butyons, flared slacks, clown shoes - I can go on, but the point is the specific elements are expressed differently. Even the head isn't unique, being an extremely common design among old tvs that Sarah did not make up, and even there, there are differences.
>>153141364She clearly copied Coraline. Don't deny the facts.
>>153141868Ya an oc drawing that is less similar even if in just the colors automatically makes the color bar points impossible or unimportant, excuses or explains all of the extremely suspicious simularities in Mr.Puzzles or that there's a minimum of three near identical rare traits while the whole thread has been unable to locate as many extremely specific traits in two other tv heads writing or design. You also think that's not even worthy of the status of most similar pair, at least for the time being. You somehow think vox is more similar. Yet vox and rgb dont show up in the search results of each other. Rgb and Mr.Puzzles are the ones that do. Cant ignore that. Haven't you noticed your narrative has gone from not similar at all and completely manufactured drama to theyre not similar enough, for a court case at least, and now more of your scrutiny is on if the reaction or call of action was proportionate instead?>>153141940She or me? Am I supposed to be her or not? I don't remember Coraline enough from my childhood watch. I will watch it before trying to discuss the alleged similarities. You should follow. With both of these works. It should take days to a week to finish each one. You can feed your fascination more too. If you're truly interested in the plagiarism's scale. Until you do, I think were sort of at the end of the train tracks or getting there.
>>153142959all you had to do was not bump the thread, or at least sage to get in the "last word"but you couldn't, you didn't, and have somehow come to the conclusion that a film based off a children's book and a webcomic you can catch up on in an evening's time would take days to a week, presumably enough time for the discussion to be memoryholed... despite you being the one to bump itpull the other one
>>153134370Even though these designs are really similar, I don't think it was an intentional copy. He's got an old TV for a head. Color bars are iconic on old TVs and there's no easier way to incorporate those into the design then as teeth. Having Two knobs and vents is just how cartoon TVs look. Hell, even the rotation of the knobs probably just looked better that way to differentiate them. Bow ties, suspenders, spats and gloves are all just tropes of old timey cartoon characters. An unfortunate circumstance, but I don't think it was in bad faith.
>>153142959>Yet vox and rgb dont show up in the search results of each other. Rgb and Mr.Puzzles are the ones that do. Cant ignore that.Yeah you can. That's not because of design, but because they are talked about together.>You somehow think vox is more similar.Yeah, and I can defend that because they also share rare traits, like jacket piping, which is very unusual.>Haven't you noticed your narrative has gone from not similar at all and completely manufactured drama to theyre not similar enough, for a court case at least, and now more of your scrutiny is on if the reaction or call of action was proportionate instead?I've been saying the reaction was disproportionate while I was saying it was manufactured, and I do still think it's manufactured. Do you want go go there too? Because those points are linked.
>>153139695I got it but you might still get a MIDLIFE CRISIS 'O NOTHING because I'm a Zoomer who only watched ReBoot last year. Great show.
>>153143073>>153138609>>153138715Eh. If all we had to go on was imagination you could make each argument individually in favor of plausible deniability sure, but looking at them next to *all* the TV heads the TV head fetishists could think of, and then analyzing shared traits between these designs that do not actually appear common to TV heads, the similarity is incredibly damning. Even if it’s unintentional, it’s way too close.
glitch cartoons are shitty cartoons how did we go to the goddamn george liquor program to this shite
>>153141731It’s so weird
>>153143538>Even if it’s unintentional, it’s way too close.You'd be right if a google search of "old tv" didn't bring up tons of them with the exact same layout
>>153143026When I first read it years ago, I finished it in less than a week but its considerably longer now. I meant TPOH and SMG4, not TPOH and Coraline.>>153143090I am referring to the incidents like the reddit post that used the wrong name. Also not especially since I feel like its been done three times already and you got to reinstate the last opinion which I don't imagine would change with something I've already said.
>>153143871What is this word salad? Speak clearly.
>>153143849>making a point of sidestepping the point for the thousandth timeThank you for your service
>>153138338This.
>>153143948That's not sidestepping, it is directly relevant. Sarah did not invent that very, very common layout; it is not hers. It is reasonable for it to be used by others, and again, there are specific differences between the besides(overall shape, logo, antenna placement, secondary planes, speaker, proportion).
>>153139759Smt mostly stole designs from haute couture and western movies.
>>153140187Why change the color order when are based on the same color with his even keeping the blue after red?
>>153136366I've seen the color bar used for a tv-themed character before, but it was female and the color bar was being used for their hair.Anyway I think the bigger smoking gun here is the dials. Not only do the dials match exactly, but on RGB I think they might may be intended as slanted evil eyes in an unusual position (or at least that's how I read his face), whereas Mr. Puzzles' dials are just decoration.
>>153133931Roy G. Biv
>>153146848Stop bumping the thread.
>>153134429Literally ever sub 16" tv before the 80's had that very same layout Also the suit TV head character I recall something cyberpunk from the late 80's early 90;s. Its been done in anime several times pic related is from 2003
So this is the power of a 100% original character, donut steel.
>>153144050>>153145662
>>153134370what >>153137241 said
Can someone give me the full event timeline for this?How tf is glitch even involved?
>>153138338Bc she’s the quirky autistic that’s why
>>153149331I think you’re right.
>>153134543>>153136783Both posts are right desuI think this is the gist of things:1. glitch prods is pre-emptying a lawsuit, clearly aware, and has refused to show evidence of their design concepts2. zam got scared by the lawsuit too and DFE'd every mention of modmad3. there's a discord of little kids who decide to crusade in favour of SOMEONE who may be smg4, zam, glitch or [dunno]4. one of these kids is an off the rails schizo and likely represents at least 1/3rd of both threads replies5. modmad has devolved into full capital C midlife crisis, decided she will die on this hill, and this may be related to two years worth of harassment by the aforementioned discord of little kidsafaik the lawsuit wouldn't hold - in the USA - under fair use / legally distinct policies. no idea how it holds in the UK, Australia (are glitch or zam even legally holding business in australia?)if modmad has money to burn he should start one HELL of a dmca harassment campaign however.
>>153139085Personally, I think it’s the latter no lie I’ve noticed a lot of people getting jealous of others success. It happens more often than not
>>153149369>if modmad has money to burn he should start one HELL of a dmca harassment campaign however.Yeah with a copy of this thread and prev included >>153085480
>>153149357wdym?ohh
>>153149412...ohh
>>153149369This
>>153149412Def can hear the obnoxious voice from here
>>153134704sex with September and December
>>153136783>>153136852>But it's also abundantly evident to me this indeed is a case of plagiarims.> The claim is founded upon how both designs as a whole share the same core visual elementsIt would 100% be legally distinct in the USA for the simple fact the "first shown" / "public" has a full suit for RGB and has shirt only for Puzzles.If its enough to make the silhouette / visual profile distinct, US court no sells it.Almost all IP theft court cases die on court, and the vast, vast majority of cases were intended to be predatory (e.g. big corpos trying to kill indie companies - marvel did this to shooter's defiant)
>>153149470*predatory settlements
>>153133393So question in all of this, what happens when/if the SMG4 guys lose? Do the rest of Glitch's productions (mostly Gaslight, Lackadaisy and KoG) suffer due to it? Or are they separate from this?
>>153149412honestly pretty good for her age
>>153149459Vee is pretty great.
>>153149369>1. glitch prods is pre-emptying a lawsuit, clearly aware, and has refused to show evidence of their design conceptsUnlikely to ever happen.the design concepts don't really matter as only the final product does, and releasing them would just open them open to further harassment since madmod's harassment squad will just comb through it to try and find more reason to harass them.>afaik the lawsuit wouldn't hold - in the USA - under fair use / legally distinct policies. no idea how it holds in the UK, Australia (are glitch or zam even legally holding business in australia?)It's not especially different enough to matter>if modmad has money to burn he should start one HELL of a dmca harassment campaign however.She's already started a harassment campaign. Which opens her up to legal action.>>153149412>>153149419Desperately chasing le quirky girl vibes into middle age.
>>153149647>the design concepts don't really matter as only the final product does,if the design process was anywhere as in deep as teir claim it is, they'll have:1 chatlogs (specially encrypted chats on wp/smg/telegram) that cant be faked2 at least a dozen or more concept art and reference pieces used for the design3 secondary chats (ds etc)far, far more than reasonable doubt to bring down any case.>harassment since madmod's harassment squad will just comb through it to try and find more reason to harass them.its glitch they are immune to harassment, they have it much worse from whatever goes on with the ADC fandom at any point in time.
>>153149412What up with people in their 40s to 60s now trying to look hip and cool with weird color hair now? They're old. Dressing up like they are 15 is not going to make them less old and awkward.
>>153139085Yeah...it's really looking like it's some insane levels of jealousy. The design of the character is now what draws fans in, it's what kind of story is told and how they use the characters. Clearly Zamination does a better job of making their tv guy fun and interesting.
>>153149683>far, far more than reasonable doubt to bring down any case.Like I said, it doesn't matter. Only the final product matters - you see it in concept art for movies and games all the time, where they use copyrighted material to photobash and paint over. It doesn't matter if concept art is infringing, because it's not being sold as the final product. Even if the initial design for Mr Puzzles was 1:1 RGB, it wouldn't matter, because that's not what was actually used.>its glitch they are immune to harassment, they have it much worse from whatever goes on with the ADC fandom at any point in time.That doesn't mean they want to invite it.
>>153149683You're forgetting a fun fact here, they don't have to show anybody any of that shit. If it goes to court they can show it off all day. But when a bunch of fucking nobodies complain on social media for a week, they don't have to show a damn thing. It's all random nobodies pissing into the wind and they are not required to prove a damn thing to random nobodies. No matter how much they whine and scream.
>>153149683Except no one on the internet has ever once said>Oh wait, maybe I was wrong. Sorrybefore. Zam will gain nothing from feeding the idiots because no matter what they show, the idiots will triple down, claim that is either fake, that's more stolen art from elsewhere, or they just drew it an hour before, and get back to work harassing. No one ever wins shit by engaging retarded dramafags on social media. They only move is to not play at all. Studios make a short statement claiming nothing illegal happened, and the back to ignoring.
>>153133393First time hearing about all this, and it looks like a nothing burger to me. Easy to see how people could independently come up with a similar old-timey TV man character design.
>>153140187lol, the balls on this guy to not only tell them to change the design, but to even suggest how to change it. Fuck him.
>>153149760There is a disturbing amount of truth to this. The social media crusading types never actually declare victory or admit they were wrong. They never accept apologies, and refuse to treat with their perceived enemies. They want to attack and attack eternally and that behavior has become so well known that it is the policy of everyone to never actually bother with them and never speak to them. What the hell is someone supposed to do with a group that never actually allows someone to apologize or admit wrongdoing? Especially when the attackers refuse to accept anything and want to keep attacking seemingly forever?Their zero tolerance has become their own worst enemy since now everyone knows there is no appeasing them, no matter what, so do not even bother. Don't even try to meet them or treat with them.
>>153149760Exactly, Glitch has nothing to gain from engaging any further with this nonsense.
>>153149737It will absolutely shit on Glitch's reputation if they actually used RGB as reference and failed make it legally distinct enough to not take it to court. They are the Indie Darling of 2020.So killing that rumours in the crib would definitely be a good idea, even if it has no inference in court whatsoever.Why the FUCK would the producer hint that evidence exist and now show it is beyong me.
>>153149910>now show it*not show it
>>153149910>It will absolutely shit on Glitch's reputation if they actually used RGB as reference and failed make it legally distinct enough to not take it to court.If this was going to go to court it would've already happened. No one pays $4000 for a letter from a lawyer when there's an actual case to be made. Madmod resorted to a harassment campaign specifically because the law wouldn't support her bullshit.>So killing that rumours in the crib would definitely be a good idea, even if it has no inference in court whatsoever.>Why the FUCK would the producer hint that evidence exist and now show it is beyong me.see>>153149647>>153149730>>153149737>>153149760the FOUR posts that already address this.
>>153149760Fuck I watched that happen over on /ic/ a few months ago. >Some artfag posted a pic, >a few people claimed it was AI and screeched at him. >Artfag said it wasn't, turned into a whole argument.>Artfag showed sketches, anons said that was AI too>Screeching anons used some AI detector site that claimed it was>Artfag used three more AI detector sites that said it wasn't>Anons gave no fucks, referred only to the one site that said it was AI, doubled down and screeched some more>Artfag tried posting other drawings, anons scream it is all AI every time>mods sage thread
>>153149934Your reply has nothing to do with what I posted.Cut the crap, nobody cares about your agenda on anonymous imageboards.
>>153150083>Your reply has nothing to do with what I posted.You posted about a lawsuit damaging Glitch's rep. I posted a direct reply about why it wouldn't happen.You posted about why they didn't release the concept art. I linked to four replies that addressed that exact thing already.Are you illiterate? Stupid? Developmentally disabled? Dementing? Possibly just plain old retarded?>Cut the crap, nobody cares about your agenda on anonymous imageboards.What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>153150115That anon's replies pretty much proves >>153149760 and >>153149876 100% correct. Anyone arguing against Glitch here is not going to be open to any kind of discussion at all. They just want to have their feel good crusade.
This whole thing is stupid.The only thing about that dude's design that isn't insanely generic is the color bar mouth and that is an extremely easy idea to come to independently since the bar patterns sort of look like teeth.Even if it were directly ripped off it is a real TV thing anthropomorphized so nobody can outright claim it as exclusively theirs. It is like how Marvel can't sue somebody for having a spider themed character with a web motif on their costume.
>>153150195But anon, she's being harrassed by 13 year olds on twitter! How will she cope??
>>153150115>You posted about a lawsuit damaging Glitch's rep.No, re read the post. I said not validating their claim to the public, with evidence, will damage their rep. Lawsuits dont care for reputation.
>>153150195>It is like how Marvel can't sue somebody for having a spider themed character with a web motif on their costume.They can and have but they do that not expecting to win, but forcing the competition into shutting down via predatory settlement or lawyers fees.Nintendo is currently dishing a dime a dozen of those
>>153150115>>153150150>replies to each other trying to reinforce the narrativeStraight outta the sharty gay ops book.Back to discord, babies.
>>153149910Glitch is a company that doesn't mind firing people at all. If this heats up more than it has already, they'll just fire all Mr. Puzzles designers and writers while Kevin and Luke pretend that they didn't know that their employees stole it while hoping that they're left out of the lawsuit. Claim that they never saw the old emails from Sarah or fans and offer her a half ass apology. Maybe tweak the mouth and dials to be able to keep CAV and merch drops of expensive sweatshop trinkets going without future hiccups.
>>153150218Is she being harassed on Twitter because some zoomers found her webcomic and think she ripped off the cartoon, or are people harassing her on Twitter because she is loudly and publicly claiming that the cartoon ripped her off? Because, if it's the latter, this really seems like a "you made your own bed" kind of situation.
>>153150426She received 3 anonymous messages on Tumblr from, likely from the same person based on the writing style. Instead of temporarily shutting off anon messages, she contacted Glitch.The first time pretentiously asking them to change their character design.The second time with a $4000 legal threat.Then she crashed out publicly, ended her webcomic, and this resulted in an actual wave of mockery from Twitter.
>>153138523This comparison layout clearly has a bias to claiming Puzzle is a rip off and vox is original. Vox and RGB share numerous similarities, some even stronger than with Puzzle but the image chooses to ignore them. It also deliberately misinterprets other elements to claim they are the same between RGB and Puzzle when those parts aren't really that close.Either amateurish work or has an agenda to create false evidence.
>>153150426She has been coming here, twitter, reddit and a few random discord channels for about a week and a half complaining that Glitch stole hr ideas. Remained completely obtuse when anyone tried to actually discuss it with her, and she has spent most of her time last weekend trying to drum up a personal army to go attack Glitch and Zamination on twitter some more.
>>153150596The going theory is that she is turning 40 and realizing her webcomic is not going to be the huge success that launches her career as an animated series director. And this is her way of lashing out demanding attention.
>>153134370yeah, it's clearly copiedI don't care though, intellectual property shouldn't exist
>>153150809I really don't think so. You're underestimating how easy it is to come up with a similar concept like this.
>>153134370What an idiot. It would be better for a Mr.Puzzlew to be colorful static.
>>153134450At least they are not closeted homos like that Fred Balboa and his friend Barney Rumbles.
>>153141552>Besides, Mr. Monitor doesn't even look too different from any other TV-headed Tumblr Sexy Man aside from being more heavily built.are you really going to focus on his body type instead of the fact that he has 4 HEADSthe 4 HEADS that no other anthropomorphized tv head character has so far
>>153149512Probably separate.
>>153149699Have you not heard of a midlife crisis?
>>153150809Okay Sarah, trying to sue a company isn’t going to get you moneyThis is truly a stunt to get eyes on your comic that is clearly a coraline ripoff
And would you look at that. The shameless plug. The ploy to get more money. I’m guessing she spent daddies money
>>153151406And the patron
>muh art theftWhining about some oc do not steal is real DeviantArt babby shit. Who cares, the webcomic probably stole the original design from FLCL in the first place.
>>153133393dana is a plagiarizer too.
>>153141940I dare you to send this to her lmao
>>153149910>It will absolutely shit on Glitch's reputation if they actually used RGB as reference and failed make it legally distinct enough to not take it to court. They are the Indie Darling of 2020.GLITCH got their start stealing Nintendo assets and their most popular cartoon now is a PG-13 ripoff of an existing popular horror short story. They’ve been creatively bankrupt since the start.
>>153151406>>153151416lol at the edit on her messagewho you trying to convince, bitch?
>>153151406>>153151416>>153153900You could at least try a bit harder, anon.
>>153133393Kevin and Luke don't have an ounce of originality in their bodies, so the likelihood of Mr Puzzles being a plagiarized design is extremely high, if not near-guaranteed.
This surely isn't an attempt by an unpopular webcomic to garner attention, nope, couldn't be that.
>>153149412HAHAHAHA that explains nearly everything
>>153151096>are you really going to focus on his body type instead of the fact that he has 4 HEADSOh my God... 4 HEADS?!Never mind guys. He's now totally different from any other TV-headed Tumblr Sexy Man! I'm going to draw some fanart ASAP
>>153133393I imagine that legal advice said don't mention or contact her so no points off for that but where's any of this concept art? I feel like not posting any concept art gives this letter less credibility and invites this conflict to drag out even if they're not required to show any of of it. I've noticed that his mouth drips when he's just talking or laughing too. FM should know that if she was a designer or introduced that idea. It was most likely a let me borrow your homework situation. She probably thought it was a different enough design to avoid issues with Sarah or either fangroup. Backfired for being too close and having a fandom made up of middle schoolers and intense obsessives. It's clear that this was a rushed reply FM wanted to get out right after Sarah announced a new lawyer could get assigned. Any designer who participated would get it worse than anybody else in the company in court. If it were my company I'd really hate how FM handled it then and now even if it was all just blown up bullshit.
Simpsons, second season. Same TV layout, say knob layout.Get fucked, Sarah.
>>153154313Stop asking this question and read the fucking thread
>>153153996Same to you, fucko
>>153153859This lol. Kevin doesn’t want to lose a cent to his screwup. Spammers stay spamming tho
>>153151233That's why I'm asking since its the company these two guys run that's also funding the other projects.
>>153149910Feeding internet meltdowns is the easiest strategy to kill bad news when you have the bigger fandom tho. They’re not gonna respond to a lawsuit, they’re going to fix the discourse so their audience reflexively tells this guy to shut up about it without reading.
SEX WITH EVERY TV IN BESTBUY
Hey does anyone have that reaction image of Jughead Jones covering his eyes and exclaiming "Egads! The only thing worse than a female is an undressed female!" I need it for important reasons.
>>153149910>Why the FUCK would the producer hint that evidence exist and now show it is beyong me.Probably because said evidence doesn't actually exist, and they hope that suggesting it does would quell legal action before it happens.In my honest opinion, the designs are so fucking similar that I doubt it's a coincidence, and just a common case of "stole a design from a lesser known source, hoping that the chance of repercussions is low".
This stupid shit aint gonna go anywhereFemoids will seethe, cope and gape their pussies in pure rageEnd of story.
>>153158101This.
>>153134370Maybe this drama will forever kill this shitty design trope.
>>153153996You can tell that there's something else that fuels his large interest in this topic by his frequent spamming of the derangement syndrome diarrhea comments. While claiming this is entertaining but sounding personally agitated instead.
>>153158101>the designs are so fucking similar that I doubt it's a coincidenceIt's just an old TV head on a guy wearing a bowtie. The only striking similarity is the color bars for the teeth/smile, but it's not so original that it's hard to see someone else thinking of it.
>>153139085100% the latter with a splash of ignorance. Even the trailer makes a point that Mr. Puzzles is a character from SMG4 and yet only now is trying to stir shit now that the character is getting a spin-off.
>>153158101>>153159371>>153159459Samefag
>>153159459I think the anon who speculated it’s a crazy parasocial discord of teenage fans who have been driving this creator nuts for years is probably on the right track
>>153159511Nah
>>153159513This kind of behavior can only be manifested and vigorously maintained over time by a threat or harsh criticism happening to one of a modern internet fandomers' hyperfixations.
>>153133393.....I ain't readin allat
>>it's now later on>>there wasnt enough collaboration or agreement between the creators>>a hard conclusion or solution has been unable to be found>>neither fandom or creator at rest>>its going to court now>>but theres a twist>>both parties have built their own sentient tv heads irl>>like the irl cynbot but better>>they can walk, talk, think and feel>>its now become an identity theft case>>rgb and mr. puzzles are now the plaintiff, defendant and lead witnesses>>a lot more irl tv heads have been completed too>>vox, tenna, tv woman, harley sawyer, vee and prince robot make up the whole jury>>robocops are present for court proceedings >>the judge enters>>its the ghost of christmas future>>we live in a world of technical advancement where this greentext is able to become real at any time, any year>>where there is only one truest element that if restricted, stops this from ever being a reality>>something that should be the main reason why any piece of art exists >>something that is present in animal and man>>something that arguably influences any piece's soul, purpose and intention>>the joy of creation
>>153150457>>153150626Oh well, fuck her then.
>>153162294Why can’t we have more of this instead of bitch fights and dick measuring contests?
>>153159812It doesn’t take that much if they have other issues
>>153162294Holy kino
>>153136909thiseveryone making shit right now is pandering to the same crowd of manchild autists and tumblr girlsno one's making shit that tries to be cool and manly anymore
>>153133393here's a screen head character that does not appeal to tumblrinas
