WTF??? The attractive adult man is in a loving consensual relationship with the attractive adult woman??This is disgusting!!!
>>153134636Shut up, Bruce Timm. You're a creep.
you don't go and fuck your best friends daughter man
>>153134636in the timmverse, bruce met barbara when she was still a minor and he has a mentor relationship with her later oneven if it isnt illegal, its still sketchy at best
>>153134636Bruce doesn't seem like the type to groom.
>>153134643Among fundamentalist mormons it’s considered honorable for you to take a friend and brother’s wife after his passing, since you’re saving her from spinsterhood
>>153134640Explain why it's wrong without using a fallacy.>>153134643Why? On the contray, Gordon should be happy to know that his daughter is with someone he knows and can trust to care for her.Also Gordon is more of a father figure to Bruce than a friend.>>153134651Wrong. Bruce is not Barbara's mentor. She is self-trained.She was Bargirl before even joining Batman's team.>>153134661If Bruce and Barbara love each other who are you to say they can't?
>>153134673>Among fundamentalist mormonswhy would you use a cult as the basis for what is and isnt right?
>>153134677>Bruce is not Barbara's mentor. She is self-trained.she is in the timmverse>She was Bargirl before even joining Batman's team.and then joined batmans team and batman took her under his wing
>>153134681What's your denomination?
>>153134636This cost him the invitation to Gordon Thanksgiving.
>>153134683>took her under his wingBatman didn't adopt Barbara, stop making stuff up
>>153134636cucking your adopted son is fucked up dude
>>153134636Its abijt the pre established father daughter relationship between them, the age gap didnt help
>>153134703Dick and Barbara broke up. Find another argument
>>153134709>pre established father daughter relationship between themYou are literally making stuff up, they never had a father daughter relationship. Barbara already has a father>the age gapShe is 22 and he is 35, it's not that much of an age gap.
>>153134636It's not just that, it's that it was his adopted sons GF (ex gf?), his friends daughter, and also a protege of sorts. It was gross and came out of left field. Bruce dating younger women, even significantly younger women (whatever that means) we could deal with. It's him dating batgirl specifically that weirded us all out.
>>153134719Not literally her dad, its the vibe as her mentor If they were older sure the age gap wouldnt be significant but by the time Bruce was 30 she'd be 17
>>153134636I'm completely fine with the age gap, what I find disgusting is him going after "his son's" girlfriend.
>>153134727>It's not just that, it's that it was his adopted sons GF (ex gf?)They broke up>his friends daughterGordon should be happy to know that his daughter is with someone he knows and can trust to care for her.Also Gordon is more of a father figure to Bruce than a friend.>and also a protege of sorts.Yes, men are supposed to protect their girlfriends. What's your point?> It was grossExplain why without using a fallacy.>and came out of left field.WTF? An attractive man and an attractive woman are...attracted to each other????>Bruce dating younger women, even significantly younger women (whatever that means) we could deal with. It's him dating batgirl specifically that weirded us all out.Explain why without using a fallacy.
>>153134739>Not literally her dad, its the vibe as her mentorHe didn't mentor her, she was already Batgirl before joining his team.>If they were older sure the age gap wouldnt be significant but by the time Bruce was 30 she'd be 17And?>>153134740Barbara and Dick broke up
>>153134739When Bruce was 25, Selina was 17. When Bruce was 22, Zee was 14. When Bruce was 20, Talia was 12.I guess Bruce should just never date.
>>153134748>Barbara and Dick broke upSo what? if you go after the ex of a friend/family you are worse than scum.
>>153134785So women do not have agency over who they want to date?
>>153134790dating your sons ex is bad, regardless if you are man or woman
>>153134719>You are literally making stuff upNo he's just not expounding on it. They had a mentor-mentee relationship like he had with most of the bat family in some way at some time. This is also his friends daughter. And his charges and first students former romantic interest. All of these are social relationships that demand pursuing a romantic relationship with Barbs be done very carefully. Taken all together it makes it weird.>>153134742>They broke upDoesn't matter at all to anyone. >Also Gordon is more of a father figure to Bruce than a friend.splitting hairs>What's your point?It's the student-teacher, father daughter, mentor-mentee, Manager - employee dynamic. The power imbalance going in is massively skewed one way. So its easy for the person that has a larger amount of power (the mentor) to seduce the younger inexperienced person (mentee). It reeks of abuse due to ease with which the less powerful individual can be used, manipulated and exploited and why it's seen as socially vulgar. >Explain why See above>WTF? I have an agenda and i don't care who knows it?!?! It's a narrative dudebroette, the story was being told and usually there's buildup, hints, foreshadowing, flirting, we were just kinda hit with this in BB and no one was expecting it, kinda self explanatory. >Explain whyYou're kinda retarded.
>>153134677>If Bruce and Barbara love each other who are you to say they can'tConsidering they split, it wasn't even love and more of a brief fling.
>>153134799>All of these are social relationships that dsocial *dynamics
>>153134790I forgot to say that Barbara is a whore.
>>153134790Of course not.
>>153134748>she was already Batgirl before joining his team.That doesn't....That doesn't mean he can't mentor her. Wtf even is this anon??
>>153134755see:>>153134727>Bruce dating younger women, even significantly younger women (whatever that means) we could deal with. It's him dating batgirl specifically that weirded us all out.
>>153134807Irrelevant>>153134796Explain why without using a fallacy.>>153134799>They had a mentor-mentee relationship like he had with most of the bat family in some way at some timeNo, he adopted and trained the Robins while Barbara was already self-trained.>his is also his friends daughter. Gordon should be happy to know that his daughter is with someone he knows and can trust to care for her.Also Gordon is more of a father figure to Bruce than a friend.>And his charges and first students former romantic interest.So? They broke up, she is free to date who she wants and he is free to date whom he wants.> All of these are social relationships that demand pursuing a romantic relationship with Barbs be done very carefully. Taken all together it makes it weird.Explain why without using a fallacy.>Doesn't matter at all to anyone.It does, because she is free to date who she wants and he is free to date whom he wants.>splitting hairsYou have no argument>It's the student-teacher, father daughter, mentor-mentee, Manager - employee dynamic. The power imbalance going in is massively skewed one way. So its easy for the person that has a larger amount of power (the mentor) to seduce the younger inexperienced person (mentee). It reeks of abuse due to ease with which the less powerful individual can be used, manipulated and exploited and why it's seen as socially vulgar.Women always date people who are above them, it's how nature works. Women are never seen dating people who are on their level or beneath them.>See aboveI debunked your aguments.>It's a narrative dudebroette, the story was being told and usually there's buildup, hints, foreshadowing, flirting, we were just kinda hit with this in BB and no one was expecting it, kinda self explanatory.The BB is not canon, next.>You're kinda retarded.You have no argument
>>153134677>Explain why it's wrong without using a fallacy.Why can't I use a fallacy? And why do you think social norms are governed by what is or isn't a logical fallacy?
>>153134827Then Barbara and Bruce are free to date each other, thank you>>153134842You are beyond reatarded>>153134849Explain why without using a fallacy
>>153134860>Explain why without using a fallacy.Why can't I use a logical fallacy? And why do you think social norms are governed by what is or isn't a logical fallacy?
>>153134866I accept your concession
>>153134860>while Barbara was already self-trainedand then he Mentored her further. Not sure what art of this you don't get. >Gordon should be happyWhy are you assuming the feelings of fictitious characters?>Also Gordon is more of a father figure to Bruce than a friend.Not mutually exclusive>So? It's seen as socially unacceptable and a breech of trust and abuse of power. >Explain why without using a fallacy.These are social norms and social dynamics, they exist both in spite of and with no regard to what is or is not a fallacy. >It doesIt doesn't. The relationship is already tainted by this and there's nothing you can do about it. >You have no argumentThat you can understand.>Women always date people who are above themAbsolutes are never true. >I debunked your aguments.You reiterated your opinions>The BB is not canonLiterally everything is canon>You have no argumentthat you can understand
>>153134868Irrelevant
>>153134877>don't make me explain my autismlol
>>153134923>and then he Mentored her further. Not sure what art of this you don't getHe didn't mentor her>Why are you assuming the feelings of fictitious characters?I'm using logic, something you are incapable of using or understanding>Not mutually exclusiveYes it is. Are you friends with your father?>It's seen as socially unacceptable and a breech of trust and abuse of powerIf Barbara has feelings for Bruce, who are you to disagree?>These are social norms and social dynamics, they exist both in spite of and with no regard to what is or is not a fallacyThe social norm is that attractive women and attractive men are attracted to each other>That you can understand.You have no argument>Absolutes are never trueAbsolutes are based in nature>You reiterated your opinionsBecause you keep saying things that are false>Literally everything is canonEveryone can see how retarded you are
>>153134636>attractive adult manGsy
>>153134956>He didn't mentor hernow you are being deliberately obtuse
I don't like the ship cuz of Dick cucking.Hot otherwise.
Its a shitty ship and batgirl is a shitty character, bruce can score way better pussy than his best friend's daughter that he groomed
I think realistically Gordon would be more okay with it than Dick Grayson.I don't think there's anything morally wrong with it.
Babs is for Dinah.
>>153134636People are casuals and don't realize Barbara was originally Bruce's love interest
>>153134651She was easily 16-18 it's fine
>>153134727Dick is more like a little brother, especially in the DCAU
>>153134727I wouldn't call him and Gordon friends exactly. It's not like they hangout and watch the football game
>>153134755If we're talking about below media and continuity they flip flop on Talia being old like Ra's or not a lot. It was ambiguous in the DCAU since she still looks exactly the same in Beyond
>>153134842She wasn't even officially "on" their team until the New Batman Adventures and by that point she was well versed in crime fighting. Just being an older male doesn't defacto make him a mentor. They never showed Bruce training Barbara
>>153134866A fallacy is a flaw in reasoning that renders an argument invalid, misleading, or deceptive.
>>153135601This depends on the writer.
Why do cape writers love cuckoldry?
>>153134636>lovingYeah, that was totally a love story TM and not a fling that ended badly for Babs and destroyed Bruce's relationship with his only family. Saying this as someone who like it because it's the only universe where Babs justified her existence as a character.
>>153134636Just weird when mentors and students start relationships. No way something like this would work out positively irl. Still prefer this over Dick and Barb getting together. Starfire and Dick forever.
>>153135620They also never showed them acting as equal. She effectively acts as a replacement robin (with benefits) in between Dick and Jason.
>>153134643Superman doesn't have children.
>>153135812In TNBA, Babs and Dick swap places and Batgirl unironically becomes the Nightwing of the group. The nice, fun-loving one "second-in-command" that keeps the family together, while Dick is busy brooding in the background. Over the Edge and Batman Beyond even show that the "family" falls apart when she's gone.
>>153135846>the Nightwing of the groupNightwing in TNBA is not the second-in-command or fun-loving. That's Robin.>in the background.Not even that since he is not in Gotham for TNBA. > Over the edge is a dream sequence. >once she's goneShe goes away because things are already turning sour, not the opposite. Babs overall take a backseat in TNBA the minute a new Robin is introduced and come back when Robin is kidnapped. The "family" fall apart because Bruce lose a Robin in this universe too, is a jerk, and his relationship with Babs is not the love story she expects.
>>153135916>Nightwing in TNBA is not the second-in-command or fun-loving. That's Robin.Yes, but my point is that Babs in TNBA (probably by sheer accident) ends up fulfilling the role that in the comics is usually fulfilled by Dick nowadays.Mostly because when TNBA debuted, Nightwing was still a novum in the comics and Timm didn't have an idea what to do with him, just like with Bane.
>>153135377It's his best friend's daughter and ex of his adopted son.
>>153134643Barbara is Alfred's daughter?
>>153135962Your point is dubious and on copium. Nightwing was not fun-loving at the time in comics either, hence why he is brooding in TNBA. Also being a second-in-command is by default something that happen when two people are not on equal and Nightwing is just a grow-up Robin, more so around Batman. You could also just check Timm's interviews as to why TNBA was how it was. Timm was amongst the many to be reluctant to use Robin and one of the few at DC who liked Babs. He had more power in TNBA. One could ask if he didn't see Nightwing as a mean to get rid of Dick. Ultimately, the marketting team pulled his leash and told him their better be a Robin in their Batman & Robin show, doesn't matter which one. Thus Jason-Tim was introduced.
>>153136069*there'd better be
>>153134739>If they were older sure the age gap wouldnt be significant but by the time Bruce was 30 she'd be 17But she's not when it happened. As they grow older this would be even less relevant.
>>153135623And we're talking about human interactions here. Feelings using circular logic or being completely contrary to it is perfectly normal and doesn't require explanation....unless you're autistic.
>>153134651Okay but she loves him
>>153134636Comments only women make
>>153134727Using "we" when people mean "I" should be a banable offense.
>>153134640>>153134651Bruce Timm is a Batman/Wonder Woman shipper
>>153135646Cuckoldry aside, this is terrible comic booking.
One of these days something like this will canonically happen to Dick Grayson
I dislike the ship on every level, but women are upset by it which is enough to support it begrudgingly.
>>153136037She is. It's how she's introduced in Batman and Robin movie.
>>153134636It’s meant to be a bad thing, which is why Nightwing never forgives him and they don’t even stay together. Timm said as much, but I guess defending things from shows you didn’t watch is all of /co/ now.
>>153134643spbp>>153134685>creep can't answer a simple questionok
>>153135812You have revealed yourself to be an absolute cretin. Men and women can never be equal, especially when the man in question is Batman
Do you blame Bruce?
>>153141937yes
>>153141937Yes. He had Selina and Wonderwoman.No surprise Ra’s could so easily get Bruce to fuck him by being in some young hot ass like his own daughter.
>>153135646Cape shit is just Soaps for Teenage boys. That’s it.
noooo they didn't meet as randoms on a social media app aiiiyeeee I'm going insane ahhhhh
Babs is for Bruce. Starfire is for Dick. Simple as.
>>153137956Only in the Justice League Unlimited series.
Timm meant this as a bad thing and forbidden love. But he's wrong because this is a based ship that only hags mald about.
>>153142034>He had SelinaShe's a criminal>and WonderwomanHe's not interested in her
>>153142552>She’s a criminalAnd?
>>153134636>>153134677>"You should support Bruce cucking his son!"No, I don't think I will. Beyond that, Barbara is never shown to be emotionally on his level in BTAS or TNBA.
>>153135646Same reason animefags are obsessed with it: power fantasy. It's not enough to be the strongest guy. You also have to be the most desirable guy.
>call it the “bat family”>also insist on having Batman fuck one of his “family” membersPick one
>>153142034Wonder Woman left him for Justice Lord Batman. The real reason is that Beyond came out before Justice League, but that’s the best explanation for why she wasn’t in his girlfriend gallery
>>153142707batfamily really only applies to the mainline comics. DCAU specifically is a case where Bruce never really reconnects with Dick, never grows his inner circle, and doesn't learn any relationship lessons
>moids would rape underage girls if it were legalMove to MENA and India already, you fucking pedophile rapists.
>>153142008This should be the canon, not her and Ivy.
Have you ever dated a woman, OP? Can you imagine how you'd feel if you broke up and then she started dating your dad? Would you actually say "My dad is financially stable, and that's the important thing" or would you be more than a little bit upset?Barbara calls her relationship with Dick puppy love, but her attraction to Bruce was pretty shallow and short-sighted as well. Their big connection was crime-fighting. Beating the shit out of thugs with a guy 10+ years older than you isn't the foundation for a lasting romantic relationship (and what do you know? It didn't last!) She's young enough that the stupidity is understandable, but why the fuck would Bruce go along with it? Was he trying to sabotage one of the few stable relationships he had left, or was he dumb enough to actually think that shit would last?
>>153137914I meant "we" there was no widespread community outrage or disdain directed at any other confirmed or perceived possible pairing of Bruce + younger looking female. It's literally just Babs+Bruce that any significant portion of the community has a problem with.
>>153143609>or was he dumb enoughWe know he is neither stupid nor socially retarded so he knew better.
>>153135620>They never showed Bruce training BarbaraDon't remember what episode but he did advise her about crime fighting and that she needed to learn patience.
>>153143704If you've ever mansplained to a woman you can't fuck her.
>>153134956>He didn't mentor hersee:>>153135316Although that isn't a recent occurrence>I'm using logicIn determining the feelings of people you don't know and don't exist?? Doesn't seem very logical. > something you are incapable of using or understandingIroning >Yes it is. Are you friends with your father?Very telling that this seems to be impossible to you>who are you to disagree?Where's that logic anon? Where'd it go? No one is "disagreeing" with anyone's feelings we're explaining to you why it can be percieved as socially unacceptable and why someone can disapprove of the pairing. >The social norm is that attractive women and attractive men are attracted to each otherMore to it than that. Hell, physical attractiveness isn't even a prerequisite. >Absolutes are based in natureOnly in your imagination. >Because you keep saying things I dun liekftfy>Everyone can see how retarded you are so adhom much logic.
>>153143717Fake news, Bitches love that shit.
>>153142584She belongs to the electric chair
>>153143609>[headcanon]didn't ask
>>153143704Damn, that means nobody can give advice to their girlfriends/wife ever
>>153141887> illiterate and mysoginistic batfag prove he can't readColour me surprised.
>>153144771it just means saying there was a mentoring relationship isn't unreasonable
>>153144895You have no argument, you lost
>>153144921Damn, that means nobody can give advice to their girlfriends/wife ever
>>153143609Well people have fucked for stupider reasons throughout human history.
>reddit spacingwho keeps sending these reddit immigrants here?
>>153135646Some of the writers of comics are small twisted men. >>153134636Because socially its see as wrong on every level. Its legally okay, but socially its a death sentence. Hes seen as a scumbag who went after hus adopted sons girlfriend and best friends daughter.Shes seen as a shank who went after and probably hooked up with dick to get to Bruce. Its legally fine. But socially its wrong and never going to be accepted in any format.Sorry Timm. Its not happening. Should have just made catwoman a hot college girl for your age difference thing.
>>153147798Unironically using the marketing meme "reddit spaxing"The website is a shithole that would be abandoned tomorrow if tumbler allowed porn again.
>>153147991>can't into greentext>"reddit spaxing"Holy Retard
Doesn't Bruce have enough girlfriends?
>>153146002how does that follow?
>>153134711>Dick and Barbara broke up. Find another argumentLmao, waste of time to argue with sociopaths. I hope your Dad does the same to you, that's the only way you'd understand.
