Do you think comic book writers today are garbage because they don't want to waste their good ideas on shitty comics? They don't seem to have much love for the stuff they work on, and the companies that hire them will milk the fuck out of anything successful until their names are cursed.
>>153134880I think people check out of work that doesn’t respect them, it’s just a matter of time
>>153134880No I think they are shitty writers because they are shitty writers. How the fuck are they ever going to make good comic of their own if they cannot become successful enough to do so? Plus why not just say fuck it and make their own shit on the side?
>>153134880It certainly doesn't help. I sure as fuck wouldn't waste my best work on somebody who pays me in pocket change and takes total ownership of whatever I put out.>>153135697Consider that we'd have an entirely different set of people working in the industry if it was possible to actually get wealthy in it.
>>153134880Part of it is people holding back because they expect to get things optioned for TV and movies but a big part of it is simply that a lot of writers just aren't good. They want to be Alan Moore or Jim Starlin or Frank Miller and do important and meaningful runs that will leave an impact to build their name value both for posterity and to promote their creator owned works. But they tend to write like bad TV shows and frankly most of them are just trying to copy the structure of post-Planetary widescreen, decompressed comics so everything is boring, the stories suck, the pacing is awful and there's no imagination or meaning in anything. They're not trying to tell good solid stories that might not reinvent the wheel but are enjoyable to read, nore are they really channeling themselves and their ideas.It's all just a lot of soulless copying of copies leading to what amounts to creative clone degeneration.
>>153134880i was scrolling and deadass thought this was charlie kirk
>>153135773>Consider that we'd have an entirely different set of people working in the industry if it was possible to actually get wealthy in itNever said anything about wealth, success in the comic industry is a matter of prestige and a good portfolio.
>>153134880no they just suck
Nah. Plenty of writers who have comic book fanboy as their hat also suck.
I think at least when it comes to new characters, heroes and villains alike that that may be true. If you cane up with the next Spider-Man level character, why waste it on a work for hire contract? Save it for your big Image comic later and hope it gets traction and a movie deal.
>>153135956>They want to be Alan Moore or Jim Starlin or Frank Miller and do important and meaningful runs that will leave an impact to build their name value both for posterity and to promote their creator owned works.These are guys that put their best efforts into their comics. It really shows.
>>153135961I thought it was Norman Osborn.>Do you mean gang violence-
>>153138075This is such bumfuck retarded logic>why waste a good idea on a platform with huge reach, near endless backing, and almost guaranteed royalties if it takes off>when you can waste it on an extreme niche that’s likely to go bankrupt or be unable to take your character further than the comic pages unless it’s a one-in-a-billion moneymaker (and even then it isn’t guaranteed)
>>153135982I think anons saying that costs more money to achieve than it used to so the talent pool dried up
>>153141222>almost guaranteed royalties if it takes offDon't most comic book writers get screwed over here? Like if you create the next big character and they get popular enough to make it into the movies chances are you won't see a single dollar even it's a box office smash hit.
>>153141222>Huge reach>Endless backing>Guaranteed royaltiesHow could you get every one of your points wrong?
>>153141222>near endless backing,>and almost guaranteed royalties if it takes off
>>153141389Yeah that kind of deal barely existed in the past and isn’t gonna happen now. In fact having successful original work in your portfolio before you cape up is one of the only ways to get leverage, so it’s a gamble worth taking even if you don’t aspire to own the next Superman.
>>153141389it's more like it's unlikely to ever get that far in the first place. Why would companies go through those hoops when they can just lazily graft those aspects of a new character onto a character they already own. Stuff like Miles is the exception not the rule
>>153134880I've been comparing some of the best 20th century comic writers of all time, to modern ones. One of the biggest differences is that the former ones had interesting lives, and most of the times comics weren't the only thing they did during their lifetime. And if we're exclusively talking about cape comics, back then they unapologetically loved them, they weren't ashamed and actually cared. But now, they're not smart. Their lives are boring and grew up thinking that pop culture was the best thing of all time, or they think that comics and superheroes are silly so they do dumb shit like "deconstructions" and end up writing ooc and dumb plot twists
>>153141714>Just social media memes and derivative hack shitJust like I said, they think that referencing pop culture is automatically funny and smart
>>153134880I think there isn't a big reading and writing culture that would attract people that would be talented at it. Compared to Japan where there is enough interest from the public to foster a large decentralized industry of writers and illustrators and thus it is much easier to break into the industry or self publish while making a decent living.
>>153134880if you're having so few good ideas that you're hoarding them, you're a shitty writer
>>153141835"Deconstructions" were among the best works from the 20th century.
>>153142003Legitimate ones anon, not all these recent jokes
>>153142003Some of them are great but the fact that these are the good works of the time kind of prove the point that writers only life experience is comics. It's writing about writing.
>>153139122I wish I had that screencap of an old 8/co/ post that talked about Hellcat. Something like how Frank Miller's experiences with being mugged were channelled into his Batman and Daredevil to create grittier noir stories, or how Jack Kirby's feelings of creative frustration with Marvel and its owners gave us Galactus. But Kate Leth had bedbugs so she wrote a story about Patsy Walker having bedbugs. There's just no imagination in comics anymore or a desire to channel your experiences, interests and the like into tales that can be grander or more fantastic or explored in a way that translates to the superhero setting.
>>153141835Rents too damn high we’re losing our poets
>>153134880>”Oh I want to be a real Artiste!”>Gets job in one of the big two because of Nepo Connections>”Gawh! I simply refuse to squander my excellence for this rag! I shall put no effort into my writing!”>No one picks them up because their published work sucks>”My word! Why is there no career advancement?”Why are they like this?
>>153141835Stern wrote great comics and didn't seem to lead a particularly interesting life but the love for the medium is pretty consistent. A lot of comic writers now don't want really want to write comics. They're wannabe TV and film writers who get into comics because they're not going to be able to write in those fields, or because they washed out of those fields.I think another part of it is that there's seemingly no real chance to take a staff position or assistant editor or editor position and basically learn the whole process front to back until an opportunity to write comes along. A lot of the highly regarded Marvel guys of the '70s and '80s (DC too I assume) started as proofreaders, did corrections and worked as editors before jobs opened up but by that point they'd seen and read enough that they knew how the creative process worked. Nowadays staff positions and editorial positions are completely separated from writing positions.
>>153134880Spider-Man writers suck because the editorial hater Peter Parker and Mary Jane.Also editorial tends to hire people (like Slott and Wells) who hate Peter and Mary Jane.
>>153134880Writers suck because they only care about getting brownie points on Twitter/Blusky/CNN. Which is why they keep making characters gay/“bi”.
>>153134880There is no love or respect for the characters, only opportunities to advance themselves.
>>153143315Your delivery, sir.
>>153134880You guys have saying this for 20 years.Get new material
>>153144790Which hack writer are you?
>>153144790>Get new materialTell that to our capeshit writers.
>>153144790Impossible! I'll just reference something a classic writ... err, repost something an oldfag wrote decades ago. Or share the lastest maymay XD>>153143829>didn't seem to lead a particularly interesting life but the love for the medium is pretty consistent.Just like Gruenwald, I think. I guess that love is the most important thing
No, I think modern writing is typically terrible because we don't actually publish good stories, we publish works based on nepotism. It has historically been a problem that absolute trash ended up published just because someone was connected, but the modern situation is far, far worse than it used to be. Frequently we now see stories and think 'how the unholy hell did this get published?' until you read the name on the cover.
>>153143829>>153145755I don't consider Stern or Gruenwald great, just good. I think you have to have had life experience or be the right kind of crazy to make great stuff.
>>153134880I think they are shit because they are shackled to terrible editors and want an easy pay check
>>153145755I think part of it too is that there was a healthier fan culture. A lot of these guys were part of fan circles and could get known writing fanzines and work with other people when they broke in. Gary Friedrich, Denny O'Neil, Gerber and maybe a few others I'm forgetting all got shots because Roy knew them from the Missouri fan scene.
>>153134880They suck because of you.
It was all off shored to Japan.
>>153145814This is the problem with every medium right now. It’s not just that prime mass media publishing is all nepotism now, it’s also that everything of worth outside of that was choked out of existence.
>>153149176In what world?
>>153149747earth you dummy
>>153135697This. If you seen what passes as good writing nowadays, you wouldn't be thinking that they are saving their stories.
>ITT insecure fanboys seething and projecting
>>153143829>A lot of comic writers now don't want really want to write comics. They're wannabe TV and film writers who get into comics because they're not going to be able to write in those fields, or because they washed out of those fields.This is such horseshit. People who still write comics do it because they love comics. The pay is so shit these days that it’s absolutely ridiculous to claim people are intentionally slumming it because they actually want to be elsewhere. The reason comic writers want TV and movie deals is because there’s a chance to actually make some money out of that so that you aren’t stuck on gofundme campaigns when you’re old and then die without a penny to your name which is how tons of comic creators to this day end up like. PAD died that way basically, because thirty years ago he had a nasty divorce which lead to him not paying his taxes and he was then fucked because his comics work was never able to make the type of money he made on couple of lucky television gigs. And that was despite him consistently working on big two titles all that time (as well as occasionally on his creator owned work), not to mention stuff like writing several Trek books (that pay no royalties), etc.
