>Brad Bird's 'Ray Gun' Starring Sam Rockwell, Scarlett Johansson, and Tom Waits >Set in the gigantic city Metropia in an alternate future as seen from 1939, private eye Raymond Gunn is drawn into a case involving aliens, murder, and a multimedia star named Venus Nova.It looks bad
>>153153114We waited 30 years for this shit to be released, only to be greeted with CGI slop that isn't Incredibles-like?
>>153153114Shittaste >>153153164Wrong
>>153153114It would have looked better if it were 2D and would probably have been more successful than whatever the box office for this ends up being,s ince 3D animation is seen as something for small children or families, rather than adults, which is the demographic that this film is targeting
>>153153372>3D animation is seen as something for small children or families, rather than adultsI've got news for you, chief, almost nobody outside of /co/ treats animation, 2D or 3D, seriously
>>153153386/co/ doesn't treat animation seriously in the slightest, at least not most of you guys. There are way more places out there that have more respect for the artform than this place.>t. a professional animator working in the industry
>>153153114From the thumbnail the last picture looks like a cum tribute.
>>153153690>t. a professional animator working in the industryYou have my condolences.
>>153153114>It looks badbased on what
>>153154204Lack of identity, it looks like a movie that would be on TV for 3 seconds in an actual movie as a gag
>>153153372Please understand, animation is a lost art form and even though we are a studio with millions we'd never hire those modern "2d animators" for anything more than cartoons!
>>153154204Looks generic despite this being a weird Retro-futurian Noir film
>>153154204It is one autistic anon upset that Incredibles was a success and Shark Tale wasn’t.He also hated Kung Fu Panda 2 and Shrek 2. He is VERY autistic.
>>153153114>and Tom WaitsExcuse me?
>>153153114It looks kino
>>153155456>a weird Retro-futurian Noir filmWhich is itself a little generic at this point.
>>153156310Could you name three or four animated examples?outside of the Anime Metropolis Film, I'm drawing a blank, and even then, the Noir stuff in that film is pretty low key
>>153153114I swear if this movie isn’t PG-13 at least then Brad Bird should forever shut the fuck up about "animation not being a genre for kids."
>>153156471I think it is indeed intended for adults
>>153156381Just animated? The Iron Giant, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, Heavy Metal 2000, Aeon Flux, Mars Express, a LOT of anime really.
>>153156566Forgot Renaissance. 2006 French thing.
>>153156566Iron Giant is set in the 50's, and it's world is not an immaginary version of the future that the people on that decade had. Mars Express, while a sci-fi noir, depicts it's future mainly based on how WE imagine it. Retro-futurism is based on depicting how people from the past imagined the future would look like (see for example the MCU'S FF)
>>153153372>It would have looked better if it were 2DThat is true by default, fuck CGslop
>>153153114>Sam Rockwell, Scarlett Johansson, andThere goes the budget
>>153157178Nope, retard
>>153156645Retro futurism is about visual style and the imagination of technology, not just time setting. The Iron Giant shows technology and design filtered through 1950s sci-fi aesthetics. Rockets, radar, Air Force labs and the robot itself. These elements represent how people in the 1950s imagined technological advancement, even if they’re happening “now” in the story.Mars Express, the analog panels, mechanical gears, angular interiors and industrial textures are more 1950s–70s science fiction rather than current. Modern sci-fi design today would likely feature sleek minimalism, touchscreen interfaces, holograms. Mars Express does not use those. Its tech looks like a past generation’s idea of advanced machinery.
Reminder that this is a Skydance movie and David Ellison has the final say. He's literally paid by Israel to be a propagandist. Brad Bird went to Skydance with the promise of being able to do whatever he wanted with that movie and it was quickly revoked in favor of Ellison's controlling nature. All they do is grind interesting ideas and competent artists into dust.
Why does Art Deco pair with scifi so well?
>>153157314Skydance have been a bit disappointing so far.Luck could have been good but it needed an extra round of writing (the film grinds to a halt in the good luck land). Likewise Spellbound had a slow start and only became interesting in the second half.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glgmAwRDP8sSwapped could be good I guess but the trailer is so generic. It's by the Tangled director so maybe the final product will be better. After Ray Gunn their next film is basically Gigantic (Director left Disney and is working in "untitled Jack and the Beanstalk movie" for them). Hopefully we'll get some teaser art for that soon too.
>>153153372It's hard for me to be remotely excited for this movie as a result of many factors. The 2D/3D factor is just barely scraping the surface though. Bird hasnt made a worthwhile movie in nearly 20 years. Incredibles 2 nuked all and any credibility he had. Ontop of that we have to recognize the elephant in the room that is his age. He's in his late 60's now. Ray Gunn really could have onky worked with a young Bird at the helm. Now he's older, softer, more toothless. He has no bite left to him. The movie is being made by faux-pixar for crying out loud. Best case scenario every boy under 20 finally gets a worthwhile masculine protagonist out of this, but I've been burned too many times to give a shit anymore.
>>153155456Beware the Batman had a more visually distinct style. It's fuckin obscene that this is the best we can do in 2026.>>153156566I'm surprised you didnt think to mention Robots or Meet the Robinsons.
>>153157314>>153157642I dont have any faith in pixar's senior citizens. >>153157496Products of the same general era. They're basically sibling genres.
>What's that supposed to be, some kinda laser gun?>It's a Ray Gunn (2026)Seriously?
>>153157723At least this is something he's passionate about. I2 was by all accounts a movie that no one wanted to make and was only ordered by comitee.
>>153153114I'm in love with Venus Nova.
>>153156566>The Iron Giant,That's a period piece, not retro futurism or Raygun Gothic.>Batman: Mask of the Phantasmill count this one>Batman Beyond: Return of the Jokerthis is just Cyberpunk, in this day and age that might be consider retro futerism but it's not the same retro futurism>Aeon Fluxno this doesn't count>Mars ExpressAlso, wouldn't count this imo
>>153158028>Aeon FluxWhy not? Feels like a very 90s idea of what the future would be. Biotechnology, cloning, authoritarian surveillance, fascination with genetic engineering before it became more mainstream. It's retro futurist in the way that Blade Runner and Akira are.
>>153158385that's just cyberpunk
>>153158385>Feels like a very 90s idea of what the future would beand it was made in the 90s anon I wouldn't call films like Forbidden Planet or 2001: A Space Odyssey Retro Futurism since they were made in those time periods
>>153157747I really should have mentioned Robots, what with the whole "machines will make life better" thinking. Haven't seen Meet the Robinsons. Any good?Could probably throw Wall-e and Incredibles in there too. Oh, Treasure Planet.
>>153158421I would. In comparison to like Alien or something. They're very clearly 50s and 60s ideas of the future.
Higher res pic
>>153157820Fair enough, I suppose it has that much going for it but I'm already disappointed by the visuals compared to the decades worth of concept art we've seen before.>>153158477>Haven't seen Meet the Robinsons. Any good?Definitely one of Disney's better early forrays into 3D animation. It's been unjustly forgotten frankly. I dont know what the consensus on the movie has been over the years but it's better than it had any right to be.
Has a single one of these netflix/skydance project had any merchandising? I cant imagine they're recouping much money
>>153158656The problem with that is you could describe every piece of Sci-fi created outside of the last 10 years as Retro Futurism, so it just becomes a meaningless term as you lumped in many disparate films/telvesion shows/books under a single banner
The Iron Giant is not a retro futurist film in the strong sense but it does contain retro futurist design language in the robot itself.
>>153158788And? Different decades each created totally different “future fantasies". It’s actually why retro futurism has so many distinct styles.
>>153158909Difference is that those movies were made with what the people of their time thought of the future. 2001 isn't retro-futuristic since that's how people from the 60's thought the future would look like. In the 2040's we might imagine the future with a whole different aesthetic, but that won't make something like The Martian retro-futuristic either. The concept hinges on designing a future not based in what your contemporaries think it'll be like, but on how poeple from past decades imagined it.
>>153158909The importance is in the name of Retro FuturismRetro as in Retroactive, so it needs to be made after that trend has come and gone Take the example given earlier in the thread of Alian, the first Alian film isn't retro futurism since it was made in the 80s, but something like Alian Isolation would be since it is apeing the style of 80s Sci-fi to a very detailed degree.It's the same reason you wouldn't describe the works of HG Wells or Jules Verne novels as Steampunk despite every Steampunk work very much being inspired by those two authors
>>153153114>alternate future as seen from 1939I feel like this has been done a lot
More cg garbage
>>153153372>would probably have been more successful than whatever the box office for this ends up beingDon't be stupid, bro.
Are you retards still bitching about CG? It's the 2020s. Get over it.
>>153159891No.
These characters look so generic, it feels like I already saw them all before in other stuff.
>>153159922Tard
>that one video with that group of people paid to clean up old disney animation cells>comments are just dickriding the video while they suck and fuck each other's "me hate computers and 3d" comments and jizz themselves to sleep over how superior they arelel
>Gen Z when you tell them cutting the framerate of a 3D film in half doesn't make it 2D
>>153159284>garbage You haven't even seen video footage yet
>>153159251Society as a whole seems to have gotten stuck in that general era (for period pieces) as of late. Maybe just because of the fucking Nazis that nobody will let die already
>>153153114I feel like this has the potential to be the first good animated movie in like 15 years
>>153157642>After Ray Gunn their next film is basically Gigantic (Director left Disney and is working in "untitled Jack and the Beanstalk movie" for them). Hopefully we'll get some teaser art for that soon too.cant wait hopefully we get a fun adventure that we were promised before all the woke shit and live action took over
>>153157723I don't think being in his 60s should be a mark against him. Plenty of older people write good books and direct good movies. The issue is that as you said, Incredibles 2 really wasn't all that good. The last unambiguously good thing he made was Incredibles 1 and that was a long time ago. It makes me think that Bird is one of those guys that isn't all that great as an auteur, that he really benefits from being part of a good team, working within limitations and having someone that can say no.I also concede that what has been released of this film's visuals don't feel very fresh anymore. So in that respect you are correct that this would have been better released when he was younger because the aesthetic direction would have been more novel.
>>153153114>stuck on netflix>if the animation is great, can't even see it in theatres
>>153161740Stsu
>>153153114Wait... this is not about breakdancing and deterritorializing gender? Count me out.
>>153153114This looks like Megamind and Monsters vs Aliens
>>153153114>>153158679Looks like a /co/ remake of this.
>>153153114>integration>reintegrationThere's going to be porn of this.
>>153157642>It's by the Tangled director so maybe the final product will be better.So far Skydance's output seems to be "if we hire (name) and put him in charge of a bunch of random people and slave animators in the People's Republic of Democratic Bananastan, we will get Disney Quality"And then it doesn't work.
>>153159251I can think of a handful but I don't think it's that common
