>>153154102VANESSA!No seriously though, didn't see that ending coming.
Did she died?
>>153154102Any webm requests?
>>153154102I really enjoyed BullseyeI like the whole diner scene. From him using everything around him including the ketchup. His throwing has that right but of cartoon logic meets horrible results. I actually imagined in my head a myth buster episode of everything he did like the velocity it would take to shoot a tooth pick through a straw to harpoon a human's eye.
>>153154207Any bullseye throwing scene
>>153154230Making perfect circles on the diner doors felt so unrealistic that it took me out of it
>>153154249To me personally that's part of the charm. Like the cd being thrown around in his apartment and not just shattering the first throw but fucking stuck against the wall.
>>153154245
>>153154128The shot of Kingpin in the boxing ring pulling his gun had Vanessa with the shard in her head. I’m surprised so many people missed it.
>>153154374She was not in focus so easy to miss
>>153154102next episode will reveal she is just in a coma or something
>>153154207bump
>>153154249they werent perfect though
>>153155381Pretty perfect considering it was ketchup
The shows morality is fucking retarded, treating the AVTF as completely redemtionless soulless bots but somehow le heccin Bullseye can be a good boyirino. DareDevil ended with season 3.
Any based anon with a webm of 32:21 when Daredevil runs towards the screen? That shit's fucking hilarious. I'll trade it for this Echo vs DD webm
>>153154102Matt and Karen are shitting at keeping witness protection clients alive.They may as well read them their last rites and put targets on their faces.
>>153156255kek
what the hell are they thinking with white tiger this girl looks 9 years old
>>153156106>le heccin Bullseye can be a good boyirinoThe show literally shows the guy as more deranged than ever, and that he's just persuing his twisted version of what heroism is. It doesn't agree with what he's doing.
>>153154249>>153154348>>153155381>>153155395MCU Bullseye has been depicted as being a perfectionist in an obsessive manner, he probably tried to make it perfect in purpose.
i like that bullseye is in the show but it sucks that matt is almost working with him. he killed foggy dammit
>>153156677>what the hell are they thinking with white tiger this girl looks 9 years oldI assume she a holdover for the "kid sidekick" thing they were doing.
>>153156791why the fuck would daredevil need a sidekick and a child sidekick at that ?
>>153157098I think he means how almost every MCU project after Endgame included a sassy teen girl sidekick because they intended to do Young Avengers
>>153157098>>153157985I think they're trying extremely young because of MCU set backs the girls are practically women by the time they are ready. Hence why Marvel Zombies was the only way they could have the girls together (Riri, Ms. Marvel, and the hawkeye girl)
>>153156740I liked how torn up Matt is when he’s pleading with Dex. Like he’s trying to stop him from killing Fisk but also knows he’s the monster who killed Foggy and the priest.
>>153154230Bullseye will always be one of the most fun villains to watch in action. Even in the shitty 00s Daredevil movie he was a highlight. His powers are just inherently fun to watch.
>>153156106If you think Bullseye is being redeemed here you have exactly the level of media literacy I'd expect from someone with your complaint
>>153156677Yeah White Tiger is an insane casting decision. What made them go with a 4ft tall goblin girl for the role?
>>153154369My sole complaint with Bullseye in Born Again is that there's too much ricocheting and throwing multiple objects at once. In the original series, you could follow the trajectory of every object he threw and that made the throws more impressive. In this series, he just casually tosses a handful of things and they CGI bounce off of everything randomly to no scope everyone nearby
>>153156106If you honestly think Bullseye is headed towards a redemption arc then I’m sorry to inform you that you are in fact mentally retarded.
what was with the sister maggie easter egg is she dropping this season ?
>>153160084>t.aim autist
any hype for iron fist next season ?
>>153154249We see Dex practicing doing the Bullseye symbol while he's making breakfast during the opening.
>>153154175nah shell be blind in one eye maybe, from shard size and the power of it shattering causing it to fling would drop the momentum so it must be really sharp and thin. shes probably fine.
>>153156725exactly, its almost like people commenting didnt even watch the show or understand the characterim still not gonna put broccoli on my pizza though
>>153156235anyone?
>>153157985>they intended to do Young AvengersProbably their biggest fumbl this saga. Almost all of the actors are now in their 30's, and according to leaks the most they'll have is a subplot in SW. No wonder they're going for a younger X-Men cast, they need somthing to fill that hole.
>>153160264Probably just a way to adress her absence and have a logical explination for her not helping
>>153156707>>153160039>>153160093Bullseye probably isn't a straight up good guy but they're probably setting the stage for him to go international and join the Dark Avengers. The showrunner for Born Again said he really wanted to do a Daredevil story where Valentina plays a large role but it's up to Marvel to approve because they have their own plans with the Thunderbolts.
>>153161038I can see them going for it since Val was mentioned by name, and her organization is also seen in some spots. Idk what they'll do with the Thunderbolts post SW, but having Bullseye in there could be fun. You have this group of people who want to abandon their dark past and be redeemed, only for them to be paired up with a guy who genuinely anjoys being a psycho and relishes on the violence. It can be a natural source of conflict for the characters.
>>153161092>>153161038i want this show to steer clear of the movies honestly
>>153161151They already are, where are the Thunderbolts since S2 takes place after the film? Is Spider-Man really still crying about Zendaya throughout everything that is happening in the show?
Just found out the diner Bullseye killed all those AVTF soldiers in was also visited by Gordon Ramsay in an episode of Kitchen Nightmares.
>>153161151>>153161180They've stated that the films and shows will only reference each other now, not connect in a string capacity. The "homework" complaints really got to them since the idea of requires viewing ended up hurting the brand.
>>153161208ramsay vs thanos when
>>153161237>The "homework" complaints really got to them since the idea of requires viewing ended up hurting the brand.It is kind of funny really, the early phases built themselves on references and build up. That fear of missing out anxiety (FOMO) worked to galavanise people to sit through two movies a year because references. People wanted to see them team up. Heck it is the reason why Captain Marvel made so much just being in-between Infinity War and Endgame.But for some reason none of them realised that all this bloat would turn the FOMO in on itself. SOME anxiety gets people worried about what they might miss and not be part of. Too much anxiety overwhelms people until the only way to continue is to not bother AT ALL. When the investment of time and effort is too great, we get the homework complaint. Phase 4 had a longer screentime than 1-3 put together. And fuck all happened. And honestly, you didn't even need to watch Wandavision to "get" Multiverse of Madness or whatever. But it still feels people with dread anxiety to miss out.Really they should have had Captain America: Brave New World as the first Phase 4 movie (completely changed plot, obviously) to set up a new status quo for the MCU, done a mini arc of "changed world post-Thanos" then set up Masters of Evil or some down to Earth threat in a New Avengers film. Instead they began spinning a million plates at once. It doesn't help that Disney+ shows are all 2 hour movie scripts stretched into many episodes and that most people are apathetic to them even the better ones.
>>153161375where do we go from here?
why does this show struggle to carry a thread both here and on /tv/ is the viewership that dead?
>>153161611MCU TV show threads haven't been that active since 2022, chalk it up to the fatigue. Allthough even Daredevil also struggled to carry long term threads that hit the bump limit during the Netflix days due to the binge drop format.
>>153161375The only film that matters in Phase 1 to understand Avengers is Captain America, the interconnectivity doesn't start until halfway through Phase 2. Wandavision is has two different problems at the same time. If you watched the show then MoM doesn't follow her motivations or her characterization and if you didn't then everything in MoM comes out of left field. If you don't watch the show you're missing context and if you watched the show the context is irrelevant.
>>153161375Disney+ streaming pressure, COVID, lack of a plan, it was all too much and Phase 4 buckled under the weight of it. The MCU success was via Perlmutter and Feige. Perlmutter wanted to shit stuff out while it was hot without long term plans, he thought no one would notice War Machine was recast because all blacks look alike and that Black Widow having a movie was pointless because little girls don't buy action figures. Meanwhile Feige did believe in longer term planning but he also believed in diversity. The MCU worked when these two were fighting because it led to compromise, it led to course correction and learning from mistakes. But Feige won out because his influence made them the most money and Feige on his own led to this aimless mess.Phase 4 was meant to be a palate cleanser and the beginning of the multiverse arc. Instead it is all over the place, as is Phase 5. Like I said, they needed:>Captain America, set up new status quo, new threats.>SMALL palate cleanser, building to down to earth New Avengers.>Introduce people slowly, have MORE sequels to characters people like.>MASSIVELY manage the MCU shows.The problem is there is no investment anymore:>Set ups never pay off (Jesus, just start naming forgotten set ups).>Too many plotlines.>Too many new characters.>Misusing the main multiverse gimmick.>Too many literally who characters (see that conspiracy).>If you like one character, their sequel movie might come in YEARS.I know people love to talk about angry fans. And yes, people have a right to be angry. But angry fans are a minority. The casual fan is simply apathetic as fuck. Two movies a year was a low buy-in of time/effort investment for enjoyment, with the added bonus of the community all jumping in and references/connections. Phase 1 - build up Avengers, Phase 2- introduce some different stuff, Phase 3 - big conclusion. Even if by some miracle someone liked Shang Chi or whatever, his film was 5 years ago. Half a decade.
>>153161751I think ironically the multiverse angle could have allowed for "gateway movies" that didn't have the baggage of needing to watch 30+ movies just to understand the plot, like having the Fantastic Four and X-Men take place in their own universes and maintain standalone stories until the crossover event. The TV shows were also fucked because they kept greenlighting all these series about the most minor film characters when most of them could have easily just been one hour long special presentations.
>>153161729>The only film that matters in Phase 1 to understand Avengers is Captain America, the interconnectivity doesn't start until halfway through Phase 2.The point I am making though is the promise. If someone promises you a gimmick of a build up, psychologically it creates an investment feeling, like you're getting in at the ground floor. And while not all Phase 1 did amazing (really it is a case of RDJ, and then the rest, until Avengers took it off anyway), they did all roll into one another. Iron Man has Nick Fury appear. Hulk has Tony Stark. Iron Man 2 has Thor's hammer. Thor has Nick Fury then Loki appear with Selvig. Cap ended in the modern world. They roll. Love and Thunder has.. Hercules? That was 2022. Where is Hercules? 4 years now, where is he? Wong found Shang Chi, where has that gone?It doesn't help that they forgot the fucking formula: strong characterisation first and foremost (see RDJ) + forgettable villain (exceptions noted) + easter eggs + humour + heart = success. Quick comparison:>Iron Man: Stane steals Tony's heart. Tony crawls down to his workshop as he remembers Pepper left the spare one there. Tense scene, Tony looks rough. It all looks lost under the robot arm he has been insulting all film hands it to him. Cute moment, light bit of humour but still, the stakes MATTER.>Thor: Love and Thunder: The children of New Asgard have been taken by an unknown force. Thor decides to give a big speech to the people. He randomly makes mention of dark times involving cannibalism. That is right, cannibalism joke just as kids have been kidnapped. Thanks Taika>>153161849>I think ironically the multiverse angle could haveAll I am saying is: palate cleanser mini arc, THEN multiverse. Instead we go, Feige's palate cleanser of throwing shit at the wall, some multiverse, no connections or themes between any of it. Stuff used to at least roll and sort of connect but most of those films don't do that.
>>153161502We don't need Feige's diversity hires, for a start. There is a theory that Feige sabotaged the comics in a way, allgedly it goes like this:>Discussion about how recasting should be done in the MCU, ala James Bond (new actors).>RDJ's popularity killed that dead.>Scrambles around, okay, we need different heroes, replacements for the MCU.>Bendis was on the MCU creative committee, creators offering advice, he saw which way the wind was blowing on this and definitely got in at the ground floor.>But then it became editorial line.>All of a sudden in the 2010s, diverse characters from prior to this period (e.g. Young Avengers etc) become prominently used.>New diversity replacement heroes get made for mainstay heroes (FemThor, Sam Wilson Cap, Amadeus Cho Hulk, Riri Ironheart).>Whilst other new diverse heroes are made (Ms Marvel Kamala, who got one of the LARGEST pushes for a character in the modern era, the amount of money they spent was silly). >So some people believe the 2010 diversity push was all for the MCU. (This is not the first time other media concerns influenced comics, see She Hulk or Batgirl). We see this in the MCU with all these characters getting dumped in these newer phases and how the Young Avengers were originally going to be more prominent (Hailee Steinfeld/Hawkeye, is now older that Scarjo was when she was in Avengers).Two movies a year, connections, future promises of team ups, set ups paying off. Like how has any of these connected to these future Avengers films? (Yeah I know the Kang thing was a shitshow, but even if they had used him, he barely connected to anyone.) If I was going to use Kang, maybe have background fallout of stuff he is doing in other films like the infinity stones were. It needs to be leaner and more planned.As for the shows, tighter scripts, get rid of half these producers. They really need a point, the Netflix shows had a build up, even though it was god awful for infighting reasons.
>>153154175I think she'll be alive but out of action, leaving Kingpin completely untethered to her woman logic and doing way wilder shit. I bet she comes to near the end and betrays him to stop him.
>>153154175COMA ARC. Probably. They literally set up in the governor meeting that Fisk will go nutso again without her.
>>153162094If we're going by cast interviews, I think Vanessa is toast but she won't die until the next episode. This is supposed to be the first turning point for the story and Kingpin until the finale, and we know Fisk is in S3 but he's very fucked up by the events of the previous season so he isn't the main villain anymore.
>>153162125I haven't been following any of the outside information/paratext, that's interesting. So far I like the disney daredevil stuff but it's just not as good as the original netflix run, I don't think it ever will be.
>>153161919That's more of an issue with Taika in general. Even Whedon knew when to let a scene play straight.
>>153162136It's held back by being another rehash of "Kingpin takes over everything" when Netflix S3 already did it masterfully, it all feels routine at this point and eight 40 minute episodes isn't a good fit for a storyline as epic as Devil's Reign. Ep 4 is supposed to be when the season locks in and starts being really good though so I'm sure the leadup to the finale will be hype.
>>153162059Feige is the one who killed the Creative Committee because they kept causing legal issues. The more likely truth is that they wanted to adapt more recent material because more recent contracts pay worse residuals.
>>153161849>just been one hour long special presentations.You know how Alan Moore bangs on about superhero culture infantilism, infecting adults etc? Sometimes I see other parallels, where media reflects comics. The 2000s was really when TPBs became a super important secondary market so story decompression became huge. (Don't get me wrong, plenty of comics had long running arcs, characters stories before this, but it was different.) Writing for the trades is what they called it. It changed how individual issues were constructed.Television moved from one and done to serialised storytelling with stuff in between (like monster of the week + season arcs). But streaming is like writing for the trade levels of decompression. That is why none of it feels satisfying. 2 hour screen play stretched into many episodes. I've been rambling for multiple posts but I mean: I don't think they have anyone who could do a series of good one hour long presentations. They're gonna try something with Punisher. But streaming editing is all over the place.>>153162156>That's more of an issue with Taika in generalGranted he is an extreme example but it just goes to show the issues around formula problems.
>>153154175 The right temporal lobe is not a kill zone, she'll have memory and visual impairment
>>153162207He killed it for several reasons. Bendis actually got kicked off the committee for stealing ideas from the movies for comics (allegedly).>The more likely truth is that they wanted to adapt more recent material because more recent contracts pay worse residuals.Factually incorrect. Jim Starlin, who created THANOS got paid LESS by Marvel than he did for the DC character's he made like KGBeast who was a minor henchman in Batman vs Superman, see:https://www.cbr.com/starlin-has-made-more-money-off-dcs-kgbeast-than-marvels-thanos/>Veteran comics creator Jim Starlin announced on his Facebook page Tuesday morning that he has received "a very big check" from DC Entertainment for the use of his KGBeast character in last year's "Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice." Starlin's post claims that the amount stemming from this single movie exceeds what he has received from Marvel Studios for usage of characters he created across multiple films. KGBeast appears only in his civilian identity (Anatoli Knyazev) in the film.Ed Brubaker, who made the Winter Soldier and whose work inspired a bit of the MCU Cap, made more money off of a cameo he had in a Cap film than he does for residuals.https://www.comicsbeat.com/ed-brubaker-winter-soldier-residuals/>“I have made more on SAG residuals than I have made on creating the character for my one line that got cut.”The modern residuals from the 2010 characters are higher. Do you know why? Who is a co-creator of Ms Marvel (Kamala)? Sana Amanat. >Sana Amanat is an American comic book editor and an executive of production and development at Marvel StudiosShe is also Executive Producer on Daredevil: Born Again. Gee I wonder, did a Producer help create a character who is diverse under a good media deal via an editorial line because she would get a credit and a fatter residual? Do you think people aren't corrupt?
>>153162207I cut out part of my response but to continue from: >>153162383The point I was making about Bendis and the creative committee is, that Bendis was on the ground floor in hearing rumour about which way they were going on adaptations, which is part of the reason why he pushed towards some of the diversity stuff he did. Bendis also had some much better residual deals too. So yeah, the creative committee was shut down, but I am saying that Bendis apparently used it for his own benefit.
Not familiar enough with Daredevil lore so does anyone have suggestions as to who this guy is playing? He's the new series regular for S3>"Philip" is described as being a smart and scrappy New Yorker who’s sweet and lovable with a hidden rageful side.Honestly could describe the average New York citizen, it's not Blindspot since they cast a white guy. Probably not Muse II since Heather is likely taking up the mantle instead.
>>153162383>>153162444Shut the fuck up faggot, you're shitting up the thread.
They have unfortunately put the viewer in the position where Matt is the thing stopping the story from being goodWe want Bullseye shenanigans killing lots of people in funny ways We want Vanessa to be killed because she sucks We want Wilson to lose his mind and get totally unhinged But Matt has to keep showing up as captain save a hoe and stop these things from happening They made him into Lisa Simpson
>>153162383>Sana Amanat is an American comic book editor and an executive of production and development at Marvel Studios. She is also Executive Producer on Daredevil: Born Again. Gee I wonder, did a Producer help create a character who is diverse under a good media deal via an editorial line because she would get a credit and a fatter residual? Do you think people aren't corrupt?She's apparently the reason why Dex is in Born Again since she pushed for him being the villain who was responsible for Foggy's death (in the OG version, Foggy was killed by a random dirty cop), thank fucking god.
>>153162482The plot ground to a halt. It feels like a rehash of stuff we have seen before.
>>153162383>Marvel adapts recent material because they don't have to pay shit to creatives>That's wrong! They don't pay creatives shit! Also REEEE Sana Amanat!Setting aside the fact that you actually agreed with me, you're free to offer up any evidence that Amanat has some kind of sweetheart deal with Disney and gets paid more - especially considering she's one of five co-creators of Kamala.
>>153162474is that jack white?
>>153162482>>153162496Born Again S3 will apparently be the MCU's take on Devil in Cell Block D where Matt has been exposed as Daredevil and has to survive in jail so that's something new at least, though I realize they've once again taken the suit away from him.
>>153160084Daredevil literally does that shit all the time.>>153160459I'm more hyped for Luke Cage, especially wwith Jessica saying she has a daughter, but I'm glad they're all back.
>>153162649>I'm more hyped for Luke Cage, especially wwith Jessica saying she has a daughter, but I'm glad they're all back.>no colleenwhy is feige so racist damnit id even like to see misty back just to get another look at dem jugs oh me oh my!!!!
I think we're getting this moment in the finale, the final fight between Daredevil and Kingpin is apparently a scene from the comics according to the showrunner and cast.
>>153161023This. There were a few things out of Marvel's control that fucked over the saga, but this was one of the big ones they fucked up for no other reason than disorganization.>Young Hawkeye not young anymore>Eli Bradley never seen again>Wiccan's next appearance is god knows when, and Speed hasn't even been SEEN yet>Absolutely nothing done with Ms. Marvel or Ironheart besides middling TV shows>Nobody gives a shit about Cassie Lang or Skarr or Love Odinson or NU T'challaThe Mutant Saga is definitely going to be them compensating for fucking that up.
>>153162665Anon, it seems like you only want Colleen and Misty to return because Simone Missick and Jessica Henwick are extremely attractive.So props to you for being based, I guess.
>>153162536You've completely misunderstood and twisted my post beyond recognition.>Setting aside the fact that you actually agreed with meI expliclty DISAGREED with you. Jim Starlin is NOT recent. And Ed Brubaker happened BEFORE the period we are talking about, in the 2000s. You claim that they adapt modern stories because it equals less money. I am saying that old stories = less money, but certain recent deals for some of these newer characters were done differently. To be absolutely clear, banging my head against the wall:>They didn't pay writers shit BEFORE this period, see Jim or Ed.>But during this period people got better deals for these diverse characters. >Bendis DID have better contracts.>Sana apparently did too.You claimed that modern stories get paid worse:>more RECENT contracts pay worse residuals.I am saying RECENT contracts over certain characters were BETTER.>you're free to offer up any evidence that Amanat has some kind of sweetheart deal with DisneyBendis DEFINITELY got better deals and you can hear that in interviews of his. I've been pretty clear in earlier posts that this is a theory. Of course some of it is alleged and conjecture but it is based on patterns of behaviour, such as Bendis, or things in regards to Sana's comments on diversity. In regards to Sana specifically though you can see her fingerprints on stuff, on what she has pushed for. Heck, she pushed for Daredevil to be more swashbuckling Waid-inspired (then backtracked). Why does Kamala's father appear in an episode of Daredevil? Weird cameo.1/2
I just realized we're getting a follow-up to fucking Iron Fist before the Eternals and whatever happened in Secret Invasion.
>>153162858I said that this is a theory connecting 2010s comics character direction with the MCU. Why were they so for diversity? You can build webs of it. >2016, sales slumped. >2017 we had Hail Hydra Cap, Secret Empire. >Secret Empire was so controversial that even Disney itself had to step in to mention it. >At a NYCC panel, comic retail owners literally shouted at Marvel representatives: "Nick Lowe tried to get calm by saying that Marvel try and they tell stories for everyone, that the old heroes are not going anywhere, neither are the new ones, there is room for them both.">David Gabriel, VP of Publishing said diversity doesn't sell comments to ICv2. >Whilst at the same time the EiC was talking up at how brilliant diversity was. >Not one day later David Gabriel pretty much backtracked all his comments.Why let your sales slump? Why backtrack comments so abruptly? What was this all for? I mean you can just say, politics, or whatever. Yes, politics is a factor. But then you look at Bendis, who is an obvious example, or you look at Sana's creative fingerprints as a producer, and you can clear see there is more to it. It makes it feel like the diversity push was a mandate because it took on specific dimensions. Why did the MCU suddenly decide it needed to add all these 2010s pushed characters into the mix? Because of replacements, casting issues etc. It is a bit convenient that all these ready made replacements were created or heavily pushed right before they needed them. Also, Ms Marvel had one of the LARGEST pushes ever. She was heavily pushed in the YA book market with insane retailer incentives. She then heavily featured in many places, Square Enix game etc. It feels like more than her just being a producers baby. (And the fact she has 5 co-creators lends to my point about how this was driven by mandate.)2/2
>>153162950Whilst this example is DC it shows you that producers have never been above doing shit in comics for TV or other media pressure:>the producer of the 1960s Batman television series, requested Schwartz to call for a new female counterpart to the superhero Batman that could be introduced into publication and the third season of the show simultaneouslyBatgirl (Barbara Gordon) was only made because the TV show wanted a new female character.>The character subsequently made her first comic-book appearance as Batgirl in Detective Comics #359, titled "The Million Dollar Debut of Batgirl!" in January 1967, by Fox and Infantino,[1] allowing her to be introduced into the television series, portrayed by actress Yvonne Craig, in the season 3 premiere "Enter Batgirl, Exit Penguin", in September that same year.
>>153162950>>153162858Kys
>>153162950Schizo ramblings. Also tl;dr.
Stop shitting up a fucking Daredevil thread with your fucking paragraphs of bitching.
>>153162863Based. Iron Fist is a cool character, and Disney fucked up Eternals and Secret Invasion to an insane degree.
>>153156106>AVTF as completely redemtionless soulless botsI did like that the priest in training wasn't judgmental at all towards Matt in his AVTF disguise, he just held back on giving him info until Matt very honestly told him that Bullseye was a serial killer, and that he was going to take him alive.
>>153156106>siding with the group of aggro feds beating up random civilians and disappearing people
>>153162824you dont even know what i would =do to them if i were in a locked room together with them and neither could escape
>>153156725Yeah but its physically impossible to draw perfect circles with diner ketchup
>>153160084>and they CGI bounce off of everything randomly to no scope everyone nearbyThat is the main issue with it, I would be fine if they made realistic trajectories to sell it
>ironheartkek forgot that existed
>>153160781Horizontal versus vertical is very different
>>153162094Yeah, that is pretty much what I am expecting too. She will probably show up in the finale to calm him down
>>153162368>she'll have memory and visual impairmentThat actually would be interesting regardless how much of a soap opera plot it comes off as
>>153162708Why would Matt even want to be Kingpin, seems ridiculous
>>153166813If Fisk's whole thing is breaking out of jail and retaking his place as Kingpin, better to just fill in the spot for him to ensure he never gets to do it.
>>153154102Niggas saying this is the Watcher
>>153167331Damn, could legit be an easter egg
>>153166298>locked room together with them and neither could escapeYou don't seem to understand what they would do to YOU.
>>153166775I used to be an autist about MCU movies, but with all the new phases and shows and special presentations, even I'm forgetting what's been coming out and whether or not it's canon. It's not a good sign.
>>153155107bumping bump
