Do you take Youtubers seriously as voice actors or should they leave voice acting to actual actors?
he looks like a victim of 3rd degree burns that got his nose chopped off and artificial skin grafted to his face
Actual actors are usually terrible at voice acting, Christian Bale was ass in Howl's Moving Castle.
For context: ProZD never weighed in on the whole "voiced only by those of their race" thing. Likely to avoid controversy regarding whatever his full opinion on it may be.Thus, when the time came, this became an issue for him.
>>153155908I would take a random guy off the street seriously as a voice actor if he’s good at acting
Just because you don’t like this guy and are still assravaged about something he said 5 years ago doesn’t mean that people on the internet can’t be voice actors. Retard.It would be like saying someone who animates on the internet isn’t a “real” animator because they’re not in the LA animation industry. The place where, ironically, all of the ”animators” outsource their work to Korea.
>>153155966Sentai stuff sucks.
>>153156008You do
It'd be weird for a lot of ceeative arts people to not have some online presense in this day and age. Whether they "started" on youtube or deviantart or making webcomics it hardly matters to the talent you think they have.Dude who made the old Potion Seller youtube vid went on to write the movie scripts like Challengers.Markiplier probably is still doing Lets Plays but he's also gotten to star and direct movies.Webcomic creators of Sunstone and Dr McNinja are now enjoying comic creating for Marvel and DC.EtcIn regards to SungWon I think he's fine. IDK if he has the biggest acting or voiceacting range but I don't hate the voices he does in his vids or in the voiceacting roles I've seen.
The funniest thing about this guy is that he’s not actually that fat if you look at him. He’s not skinny, more like medium fat, but for some reason it all went to his neck so in portrait he look morbidly obese.
>>153155908Pay VoiceActorsWhat They're FuckingWorth
>>153156066Fuck, I was about to say the same thing. Body of an average Joe, face of Fat Bastard. Awful genetics
>>153155945He just supported it and never voiced an opinion against it until he crawled to twitter to complain that projects only wanted to hire him to play a token asian character. Totally different.
He's voicing a white dude in that GLITCH show, no? So he still is.
I do, just not that fucking fat chink faggot. He's a pest
>>153156121>>153156131>>153156066Had he been in Kirk's place, he would've survived
>>153155945Phil LaMarr said that he can play Samurai Jack even if he's black, but nobody white can play black characters.
that guy in the OP is a faggot but to answer your question I think that if you can make a voice and emote it so it sounds good you can be a voice actor.It's not rocket science
>>153156160With that ball on his neck it would've been like popping a balloon with a needle.
I think they're missing the "actor" part of "voice actor". They're just making funny exaggerated voices.
>>153156181That's how it should be, but faggots like him said no, race matters the most.
>>153156182His neck explodes like a water balloon but the head itself stays intact
>>153156207Anime dubbers have this problem especially. You can close your eyes to any live action movie and imagine someone IRL using those tones. But cartoons and anime sounds wonky. Even when ProZd was in a real film he sticks out from the other actors. His intonation is super childish. https://youtu.be/ZJxvZNh_60s
OP is once again rotating through his pet culture war bait topics. Look forward to him spamming about Apu again and old twitter "controversies" as if they're big events happening right now.
>>153156260Anime actors are basically just "wow, you can shout really well into the microphone"
>>153156155That character is "ethnically ambiguous" at best
>>153156260>>153156386https://youtu.be/ci8dIpNcyEY
>>153156121And how are they gonna survive?
>>153156260I said it in another thread but is the real reason indie animation dialogue feels "cringe". These actors can't act, they could read a script by Charlie Kaufman and it'd still sound awful
>>153155908>"white"Totally not genocidal language btw
>>153155908https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHqK1JAgxUThis man can fucking EAT
>>153156121What went wrong with the fat distribution in this human bean?
>>153155945Iirc, he said that you should get a voice actor who matches the race of the character if possible. Then a year later he said he was surprised that he was only allowed to voice Asian characters. I guess he just didn't think that one through.
>>153156121he's worth about tree fiddy
>>153156848Just like Phil LaMarr, they're saying they should only get all roles but whites should only get white roles.
>>153155908It's what you fucking asked for you dumb shithttps://youtu.be/tLC5d0bGICc?t=180
i think all voice actors should be shot
>>153155908This fat fuck ruined the entire industry, if SAG-AFTRA union faggotry wasnt enough.I really Hope that AI takes over everything so these retards are taken down to a peg and learn a lesson in life
>>153156260A lot of 90s-00s dub VAs started in community theater, but most of the people inspired by those shows to become VAs exclusively did voiceover. That’s why the character acting has less restraint. You hear a version of a stage acting inspired technique used to make dramatic japanese cartoons sound the way they look, actors have clocked less time performing in an embodied way, but are experts in vocal manipulation and the performance still feels fitting to everyone in the booth.
>>153155908https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFDFaiihaAalso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yql1Ia6vvYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln9OoohupwE
>>153155908I don't particularly care if it is voice by an youtuber or not as long his voice is good. It is legit all you have to do to be a voice actor, to have a good voice that fits the character. I don't understand why this has ever been an issue
>>153156363To my knowledge, english dub actors are insecure because the US is one of the few countries where dub actors usually aren't the same as the VAs you get from everything else.
>>153155908Yes, if they are serious. Kind of like >>153155966 said. Also if he didn't spew bullshit like those voice actors and keyboard activists claiming that a character can only be voiced by someone of their own race.It's ridiculous, through decades people never had a problem with that, everyone only cared if the voice and acting was good or not, but now all of a sudden it's 'essential' that the character and the voice share the same race. Shit makes no sense.
Which is worse Youtubers or celebrities doing voices?
>>153156260>>153156363>>153156925No matter the quality of the voice acting in anime, it will always have a sound to it due to them doing animation first than the voice over vs US being other way around, it's why improv anime can't exist or anime that uses actors as references for the animation but also you gotta match the lip flaps which give it that sound, listen to any cartoon VA in anime, they sound off or watch live action Japanese films they don't sound like that.
>>153156925Even before that. A lot of the Disney Renaissance VAs were broadway. A lot of the golden and even 80s VAs were radio hosts.It's one of those things where a discipline in the larger field develops skills that translate over when you start to specialize.Broadway tends to be the one that can translate a variety of ways(see: Hugh Jackman)
>>153157030The translation + lip flaps created the conventions but at this point it’s a popular style of its own, no? VAs do improv their characters with the anime delivery and intonation and everything.
>>153157019YouTubers because they have much bigger egos. Celebs just take the check and go.
>>153156155His last name is actually park. He's asian enough to actually pass.
>>153157075Yes, that comment was just about the situation with anime dubs though. Hollywood actors are also less trained and have less theater experience these days. The internet millennium changed young people’s approach to specialization and entry to their professions I think we see the effects of that in most creative fields now.
>>153155938This. Kiefer Sutherland was the lead in the Armitage III dub, it was one of the worst dubs I've ever heard and I watched a lot of shitty 90s dubs.People don't get that voice acting isn't like regular acting. ACTORS get it. There's an interview with Ian McKellen on the first Lord of the Rings movie, where he complains that working basically alone in a studio where everything's digitally greenscreened including the other actors was the hardest thing he's ever done.
>>153157115That tends to be true. It's like they feel the need to assert themselves as 'true actors' or 'true celebrities' in general, so they tend to be both defensive and imposing.
>>153157191That was on The Hobbit. Imagine living long enough to see the same director completely remove physical sets and do everything on green screen at the studios behest after previously working with him and how they did almost everything practically. It would break anyone, especially an old man at the end of his career.
>>153156610You have to match it to the medium. In voice acting your voice is all you have, so you have to exaggerate it to some degree. Similarly, in the silent films of the early 20th century, body language was all those actors had, so they had to exaggerate THAT.
>>153156260>imagine someone IRL using those tones.I assume this is the reason some of the more "silly" line reads (like the infamous "WOAH, HEY!" from Delicious in Dungeon) become memes - as weird or funny as those can be, they're also some of the few times a voice actor is actually acting.
>>153157266Well I knew it was the shire set anyway. But yeah it's a very different skill set.
>>153157266LOTR films had just as much CGI.
>>153157310For impossible stuff like the trolls, not for basic shit like a simple conversation at a table.
>>153157099Anime still limited due to having to match the flaps even Japanese, anime will always have that ''anime sound''
>>153157424Ghost stories with all it changes and being a comedy and everything still sounds ''animey'' Batman Gotham Knight which has cartoon VAs still sounds ''anime'' it's a product of production.
>>153157310the shire and all else was previously filmed in proper sets, they went CGI in a movie that should had been one single movie, not a 3 part slog
>>153156435>>153156260To be fair, I argue that that is a problem with just standard presentation of cartoons and anime rather than the voice actors themselves. The characters are meant to be exagerrated, being able to have such is part of the strength of animation. But it means when the acting is decoupled from that animation it makes an uncanny valley effect. IMO the opposite is true as well. Tangentally I think actually a major problem most people have with anime dubs is not actually the voice work but just that they are hearing these things in a language they actually understand and thus the degrees of seperation they had is not there meaning their minds are less accepting of absurdities happening.
>>153157424Yeah I’m saying the non-ADR work inspired by it is doing “the sound” on purpose
>>153155908>KnowYourMemeTo answer your question I hate 99% of English voice actors.
People who make Youtube videos should be rounded up and executed as pollutants to the gene pool.
>>153155908>Do you take Youtubers seriously as voice actorsNo, they're almost invariably shit and just copy 2000s dub actors who have four voices: Yuri Lowenthal impersonation (for Generic Male), Matthew Mercer/Christopher Sabat impersonation (for Gruff Male), Michele Ruff impersonation (for Generic Female) and Laura Bailey impersonation (for Seductive Female). Youtube VAs, though, are cheap and non-union so they get priority now.A lot of youtubers basically get into doing it too not because they want to act but because they want to use being voice actors (and specifically anime/video game VAs) to boost their e-celeb cred and be big deals in fandom spaces and for the guys, putting them in a position where young and probably questionably legal con girls will want to fuck them.
>>153156062>Dr McNinjaHe hasn't written anything for Marvel since the end of Gwenpool. He's writing fucking FNAF graphic novels and the depressing purgatory that befalls any millennial and gen xer who doesn't make it in the world of geek hobbies: doing TTRPG gameplay podcasts. Yet that worthless hack Ryan North gets to write Fantastic Four and the Flash.
>>153155938what about theater actorsseems like they're usually pretty good somehow
>>153156160Can't be shot in the neck if you don't have one?
>>153157266It's weird to me that hollywood stunt casting was always a thing in Kingdom Hearts. A lot if Disney child stars but then you have shit like >Christopher Lee which is what reminded me of this >Billy Zane>Leonard Nimoy
No, but Japan has to hire non-Japanese asians like him to do businesses well in the US.
>>153158197They have more experience with vocal performance than on camera actors because you have to project and manipulate your voice for stage performance. Most of them sing or have put effort into learning some singing too, even the non-singers.
>>153155938Christina Hendricks and Scarjo are the only actors I can stand when it comes to voice acting.
>>153158197>>153158811Stage acting also requires big emotive gestures and inflections, as you are trying to let someone looking at you from up to over 100ft away know what your character is feeling in the moment. Unless you are doing extremely close black box theater stage acting is not meant to be subtle. Animation is a good fit for this style of acting because it also tends to be big and emotive rather than small and subtle.
>>153155908No, calling ProZD a voice actor is akin to calling the entitled drawings in the drawthread artists. Its technically true, but they are so low on the totem pole their opinions should be disregarded completely. If its not Mel Blanc or Norio Wakamoto I don't give a fuck.
>>153156001>NOOO! YOU CANT MAKE FUN OF A GUY WHO TRIED CHANGING HIS INDUSTRY TO BENEFIT HIMSELF ONLY FOR IT TO BLOW UP IN HIS FACE YEARS LATER!!!Whats good for the goose is good fpr the gandee faggot. Cope, seethe, mauld and dialate about it.
>>153156121How'a he going to make living on $0?
>>153159153Nonsensical bait
>>153156881No, he's saying he should get ALL roles and whites should get none.
>>153156001People on the internet make for shitty voice actors 99.99% of the time.
>>153155908I liked SungWon in Dungeon Meshi, he played a good Senshi, but like everything I've heard him in after that is just kinda bad. Like he doesn't really have much range, his doom just sounds like him.
>>153156160>bringing up some literal who wannabe politician in a largely apolitical thread"lil bro" thought this was twitter
>>153159153>hears opinion>melts downDidn’t even say “you can’t make fun of this guy”, just answered OP’s question you big pissbaby lmao
>BLOW UP IN HIS FACE YEARS LATER!!!It's funny to see this same schizo talking point that keeps being spammed incessantly everywhere. Not only is ProdZ one of the most successful voice actors, but he also got sweet gigs voicing a side character as one of the Saja Boys in K-pop demon hunters. So no, him calling out white people stealing Asian roles where they don't belong didn't blow up in "his face" in fact, it's the other way around, he had a successful career because of this.
>>153156182They cured goiter 100 years ago with iodized salt
>>153156610This is why I hate watching some of these shows.
>>153156610Actors who can't act. Writers who can't write. Directors who can't direct. It's incompetent faggots all the way down.
>>153156121I love this meme from /v/, it makes me laugh every time when I see it.
The first thing you have to know about voice acting is that the acting has to come first. Just being able to do accents or impressions isn't what people are after. If you're not able to convincingly sell the idea that the character the viewer is looking at is saying the lines you're reading, it falls flat. I think we've all seen those works where it's clear the creator grabbed a friend of theirs and had them read something in front of a microphone, and how jarring that can be. Good voice acting involves knowledge of the character, knowledge of the scene, physicality, and other details. I'm not saying a Youtuber can't necessarily be a good voice actor, but I am saying that just talking for a living about your opinion does not a voice actor make.
>>153155908Can you do a voice? Do you get paid to do a voice? Congrats, I now take you seriously as a voice actor for whatever that's worth
>>153159755He deserves to die.
>>153155908>Do you take Youtubers seriously as voice actorsNo, especially people like prozd. He acts like an authority figure and expert on voice acting, but if you look up anything he's done voices for he isn't acting and is just putting on a silly voice, or more often is flat out bad.Another major example is Transformers Rise of the Beasts, half of the robot cast in that were voiced by youtube and tik tok people and it's painfully obvious. Arcee and Nightbird had some of the worst voice acting I've heard in a major hollywood production.
>>153155908voice actors on youtube are people with enough talent to thrive, enough DRIVE to actually find what little work there is, and enough sense to stay the FUCK out of LA.>>153155924anon that's just how asians do. It has a few advantages and a few disadvantages, yknow..
>>153156160Holy Kek
>>153156121howbout let the market decide what things are worth, because the alternative is a fucking planned economy and that has never once worked.the market doesn't always work either, but it has a way better success rate.
>>153156881phil backpedaled on that, you have to let him off the hook. otherwise nobody will backpedal again, and we need a lot more backpedaling.focus on open racists inventing persecution complexes like Kelly Hu (yeah honey I'm SURE you got made fun of as a kid for being Asian. in Hawaii. in the 80s. and being smoking fucking hot)
>>153159873it's like Rob Paulsen always saidVA is little v, big A.
>>153159873>I think we've all seen those works where it's clear the creator grabbed a friend of theirs and had them read something in front of a microphoneWhile this doesn’t produce high quality works usually, it’s still full of passion, so I respect anyone who does it
>>153155908>actorsNo, and ctors also suck at voice acting unless they're a comedian or someone else who plays a multitude of different characters with different mannerisms and voices. You were thinking VOICE actors. Who are both cheaper and much more competent than live action actors.>>153156912>I want cartoons to be even more ass than they already are now to own a singular fat Asian retardHow about fuck you?
>>153159873PSYANON :D
>>153159032Some of it comes down to actual good direction and whatnot. A lot of DCAU VAs came from TV and film but obviously nobody's going to say that a lot of them aren't the definitive takes on those charactes. Toby Huss was mostly a live action guy but he does an amazing job of making you believe Khan and Cotton are their own characters and not two people voiced by Artie, the Strongest Man in the World. A lot of it too is actually caring enough to work to put on a good performance vs. doing it for a paycheck.
>>153160981>you have to let him off the hook. otherwise nobody will backpedal again, and we need a lot more backpedaling.Interesting takeHonestly, I can get behind that sentiment
>>153161279i dont care, fuck you faggot
His voice work for Blau-1589 lives rent free in my head. The Japanese version is just dull by comparison.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=372XkNEtCyg
>>153155908I think everyone everywhere should stop trying to create content because none of it was ever good and humanity should just die.
>>153157115celebs also drain half the project's budget
>>153158187It's sad to see
>>153158339Nomura is a total cinephile so it doesn't surprise me
>>153159873Whats the equipment in your setup? You replied to me months ago and I screenshot your advice btw lol
>>153155908I can’t take youtubers seriously at all
>>153161747Aw, thanks! AT 4040 (best balance of studio quality and actually being able to afford it)ATH-M50X studio headsetSuspension ring to help reduce ambient vibration humPop filterTriptych sound dampening shield for microphone booms (royal pain in the neck to set up comfortably)Boom arm that had a socket for affixing everything aboveCheapo bluetooth mouse and keyboard so I don't have to go back and forth from the booth back to the officeRelatively cheap wide monitor with VESA-compatible backMounting arm to affix into the wall so I can move the screen as needsbeShielded audio cable (careful, lots of scams on Amazon that aren't actually shielded.)I can't recommend the interface I have (Focusrite) because the company is basically defunct and no longer supports their products; I had its bad drivers nearly brick my entire computer during last year's tournament. Looking for a budget-friendly replacement.Sound dampening tilesSound dampening curtain to shield the door as much as possible, as it's the least insulated part of a room. Look up ones designed for streamers; the one I have is a 'greenscreen' curtain that supposedly had a visual defect, which reduced its price by more than half. Lucky me, I've got a face for radio. Pun mostly intended. Gym mat for the floor to reduce vibration"Bathroom" super-shag mini carpets for the floor for both comfort as well as sound absorptionNot shown:GIANT water bottle...studio gets warm after an hour or threeDog training clicker. <$5 at any pet store. Excellent to use when marking mistakes/gaps/notes to self. I use two clicks for mistakes, four clicks for gaps, and six clicks for if I need to add special effects.Audacity and a boatload of plugins/EQs/filters
Do studios even have a need for voice actors now that AI is a thing?
>>153162768no. people have no standards anyways. squid game dub is awful, most popular anime have awful english dubs, even modern western cartoons like invicible can have terrible animation and voice acting and be praised like hell
>>153157479>Tangentally I think actually a major problem most people have with anime dubs is not actually the voice work but just that they are hearing these things in a language they actually understand and thus the degrees of seperation they had is not there meaning their minds are less accepting of absurdities happening.Thing is, the disconnect also does exist in the original Japanese voice tracks, it's just not as obvious in comparison. And that's all because the animation is done first because it's cheaper.
>>153162842Honestly, I don't think anyone really cares about actual animation quality in animated stuff besides internet indie autists and anime fans, especially looking at Invincible, which genuinely looks like a cheap, ugly single-season isekai anime made by a no-name studio with 30 employees.You'd think the super simplistic and completely flat shading and staging would mean the actual animation could be decent, but no, it still looks cheap and ugly.
>>153156121No
>>153157266This is just depressing.
>>153157310Yeah, but they actually had Lee with the rest of the cast, not this. Not anywhere close to this.
>>153155908I take his roles seriously until I realize it's him, then I can only picture his face and it takes me out of it
>>153162768Fuck off
>>153156121PVAWTFW? the fuck that means
>>153164003PUSSY, VAGINA! WHAT THE FUCK? WINNNNNNNING!
i miss pbntthat's my contribution to the thread
>internet voice actors all have terminal anime voice, but think they are hot shitlmao
>>153160981Lamarr never backpedaled, you’re just making shit up
>>153157424Funny things, lip synch isn’t even really a consideration in JP original tracks.
>>153159873It’s why so many voice actors like Patrick Waburton don’t need a big range of distinct voices. Its more about the performances than how many voices you can do.
>>153155908Depends on the YouTuber ultimately.
I'd rather get the job because I'm good at it than because of the followers I have on social media, which seems to be more important now. I want to be known as an actor, not as a youtuber.
>>153162224How much did the cat cost?
>>153155908most entitled cast of artist on the internet, but 100% of them just parasite on existing media and that's their JOB lmao. they create NOTHING. also they basically have no talent, only some generic tumblr sexyman voice that they do for every character, mostly tenna, spamton or caine its funny how they ignore the fact that tenna has this funny goofy voice, but still, he gets voiced by caine wannabeswe should kill talentless entitled VAs
>>153158197I'd say voice actings closest relative would be theater and not movies, even if we have "movie games" nowadays.
>>153156121So way less than what they are paid now?
>>153155945Stop lying you liberal faggot. He supported it 100% until he realized it would mean he gets less roles. DEI = racial discrimination against white people.
>>153156337Cry more, baby.
We need more voice actors, and for regular actors to fuck off to their own sphere.
>>153166282>they create NOTHING.thats harsh and kinda true, remembering that one
>>153155908Is this the kiryu chink? legitimately one of the worse VA's I've ever seen.
>>153159755>So no, him calling out white people stealing Asian roles where they don't belongRace shouldn't matter at all in VA roles, only who can do the part the best. It was seething, brown, anti-white, liberals like you that created this controversy so you could use race-politics to steal VA roles from more qualified white actors via DEI policies.ProdZ has also voiced numerous white characters recently, so I guess his race based VA gripe only goes one-way.
>>153156848penny ling..
>>153164003>>153164031I say this all the time
