I think a lot about how they dispose of bodies in Starfleet. I wish they would dematerialize me into the replicator and turn me into delicious cake that would be eaten at my own funeral. I guess this isn't really a joke. Just make me cake. Please.God I wish that were me.Seems like a more classic comic with Ronnie wanting to kill himself
>>153172694Killing yourself is alot harder than you might think
>>153172694lmao
>>153172767My uncle managed it and he was kind of a fuck up.
>>153172694Better than the last, uhh... 8 strips? Yeah. With how bad the comic was going recently with "GF so wacky XD" I was not surprised there was no Ronnie thread here for a long while.
I'm glad that the thrill of getting pussy has worn off enough that Ronnie can be funny again>>153172767I was too chicken to even take the safety off last time I tried
>>153172889I experimented with hanging using the belt rope from my robe and using the door to secure it, low ceilings in our place. Ended up being something that would have taken too long.
>>153172694>she died, but she didn't leave
>>153172889>>153172967>I experimented with hangingOh boy, Ronnie has the best fans! X_X
>>153173007If he didn't want a suicidal audience, he shouldn't have written so many suicide jokes
it is weird how sometimes they act like the holodeck could dematerialize people. like.. guys, it's forcefields and images. once in a while, it replicates a little food for you, but.. there's zero reason for there to be a tool that could EVER, under ANY circumstances, erase a person. Nobody would put that in there.it's as dumb as all those times in voyager they talk about 'holo-matter' and make hologram things when just a forcefield would do. or all the times the computer talks to itself to work out a problem.anyway where have you been? there were funny things to say about the past like 4 Whomps but no threads, and now I don't remember them anymore.
Once I was sitting in my living room, just minding my own business, when ronnie crashed a black hawk helicopter directly in the center of the room. Both of my legs were broken immediately and I was suffering from a severe concussion, as I faded back into consciousness I saw ronnie crawling from the shattered cock pit not even noticing the flames and broken glass as he strode toward my broken body. My meager attempt at escape were useless as he picked me up over his head and crushed my spine over his knee. Then with his massive elephant leg like member he forcefully entered my ass with the force of a turbo charged piston. I passed out during the assault but the doctors said my asshole was gaped to the size of a grapefruit and was torn in 36 places and they found ¢37 in change, the keys to a 98 chevy Malibu, and half eaten hot pocket inside of my anus. My pet chameleon also died in the crash. RIP Rango. I miss you.
The Maquis did nothing wrong
>>153173288Just have to turn off the safeties, and have the replicator do the recycle process on you.
>>153172789Same with my mum. The coroner had a hard time convincing us it wasn’t an accident, because if anybody was just trying to get high off of a bottle of prescription pills and a bottle of vodka but didn’t really plan on dying, it mighta been her.
>>153173315This is now a stealth Star Trek thread.
>>153172767It's actually a lot easier than you think, but that tends to be accidental.
>>153173288If a holodeck can replicate, it only makes sense for it to be able to recycle matter like a replicator can. What if you eat half of a replicated sandwich and walk away? Safety isn't a good reason not to include a recycling function. If the safeties fail, you're fucked anyway. There's not really a practical difference between being recycled and getting killed physically with a forcefield. At least if you're recycled, there's a chance that O'Brien can do some wacky shit and pull you out through a transporter.
>>153173288>zero reasonIt's to make it self-cleaning. Nobody wants to have to mop out the holosuite after the Grand Nagus is done running "The Arduous Journey of T'lana on the Road to Enlightenment".
>>153173430That's illogical, it's a Whomp thread.
>>153173490you don't know how a holodeck works
This previous comic was good.
Did Bee die or is she just mopping a different part of the station right now?
>>153174113Dukat claimed her
>>153173498>It's to make it self-cleaningIt is, but canonically there are waste compartments to clean out.
>>153174113She's frolicking elsewhere on DS9. She's in the next comic, per Patreon source.
>>153174333Yeah, Lower Decks showed it's considered one of the rest jobs.
>>153173315then why did they all die horribly after living horribly for so long
>>153176906
>>153176906I always thought that was how they worked.
>>153172822*20Also, it's been 33 strips since Bee was introduced.
>>153172694In the 24th Century, no one will judge you for wanting to kill yourself
>>153172694I finally figured out what Ronnie's girlfriend reminds me of.
>>153177394There are 2 or 3 major fucking episodes about that not being the case. The one where Worf wanted to kill himself because a blue barrel crippled him and the one where 60 year olds kill themselves because old. And Luxwana was banging one of them and didnt want him to did.
Ok maybe a luxwana episode wasnt major but still
>>153177663You know I watched those movies and I still forget her name, all I remeber was she was a bitch but not as fun of a bitch like Asuka.
>>153177663yuck
>>153177663Mari based
>>153177663How, though? I don't see it, personally.
>>153177663Man, Ronnie, don't sock puppet here.
>>153177663>>153177745She's just kind of there doing cool but inconsequential shit.
>>153173296What
My introduction comic to Ronnie was him drinking toilet water in Fallout 3, because it had triggered a subconscious fetish of mine.
>>153177729Lwaxana episodes are definitely major.
>>153174075O'Brien is right, there are far too many ghosts.
>>153178124She represents the directors literal waifu so she can never be allowed to look bad.
>>153173430>>153173635It would appear that we've ended up in a Tromp thread.
>>153179190What should Bee do to appear flawed?
>>153179267kek
>>153179282be unable to resist Quark's demands that she stop wearing clothing
>>153180595Why do (You) want to see her naked?
>>153177663an vapid, unexplained and meaningless cunt added for purely marketing purposes?Damn, that fits.
>>153173288transporters can grab you from orbit, nowhere is safe from O'brien
>>153176906My headcanon was that each padd was properly encrypted for security purposes.
>>153173430How do i start watching Star Trek?Tried with TNG, got halfway through season 1 and got bored of the tripe
>>153172822Is the girl Ronnie actually real or is it just him imaging things?
>>153173288Their teleporters can literally de-age you and that's when they're glitching, the fuck they can't kill you too. Matter manipulation tech is serious business.
>>153182277The transporters are bullshit plot devices, and clearly just modified replicating machines as seen by "Tom" Riker.Feed more materials in and you could just have as many clones of people being transported by it as you want.
>>153181953You start with TOS and then you power through the first and second season of TNG and see how you like it starting Season 3.Then DS9,Then Voyager,Then TAS if you want to,Then Enterprise
>>153172767>>153172789>>153172889>>153172967>>153173007>>153173424>>153173443If you want to go easy the best way is oxygen deprivation. Breathing too much CO2 feels miserable, but not getting enough O2 feels great. So huffing pure nitrous oxide until you die is a fantastic way to go.And using a gun fucks with "gun violence" statistics. Don't do that.
>>153179142then he shouldn't have married an oni
>>153183012There's a specific term for the masks/hoods you use for this but I can never remember it when trying to recall.
>no Bea>Ronnie self-loathingReplace the Ensign with M Dude and this is a classic Ronnie strip.
>>153179267Riker had a clone, but they HAD to kill Tuvix.
>>153173728>Bro thinks he knows how a holodeck works
>>153183210Janeway just had to satisfy her murderboner, she would not be denied
>>153172967Thats not how you hang yourself. You need a sharp drop so you snap your neck. Hanging isnt suffocation. I know this as I'm a history freak who as a child was very interested in executions.Unrelated note I'm medicated now.
>>153183205That's Chief O'Brien.
>>153173288Ensign Kim was dematerialized into the holodeck and remained a virtual being of pure data. You can absolutely delete people with it
>>153173430
>>153173430ok
>>153173430Make it so
>>153183437The fact Voyager having holodeck episodes despite them crying about supposedly being 'low resources, far from home' was bullshit"Oh, its got its own seperate power supply that somehow only powers the holodeck and can't power anything else" my ass.
i like star trek too
>>153183465I don't know if "lack of power" was ever among the problems? A warp core is basically infinite energy is it not? Now that you mention it they did use replicater rations causing all kinds of Neelix hijinks
>>153183556The warp core isn't some infinite free energy tube, it needs resources like deuterium and anti-matter. Also dilithium crystals.
>>153172694Ronnie was funny in 2014, now he's just an older version of who I'll be when I'm his age.
>>153183012>russian flag>2022Good to see they have so much free time on the frontlines kek
>>153181953Skip to season 3. Or try DS9 (skip to season 3 for that too). If you're still not into it, it's probably just not for you. Otherwise, skim through the earlier seasons and skip over the stinkers.>>153183120Exit bag.>>153183395That is how you autoerotically asphyxiate yourself though, which is a fantastic middle ground. You never know if you're cumming or going.
>>153181080Female hyuumons wearing clothing is uncivilized
>>153174383>>153176906>>153176923She cute.
>>153183577we can make deuterium and antimatter now, they're not the problem, the problem is "moderating the reaction" with dilithium which necessarily isn't matter or antimatter but some kind of magic rock that doesn't make any sense and you can just hold in your hand that lets you get 100% of the energy back (which you would just by putting antimatter and matter together) in a way that's useful (not all at once in a loud explosion)but as long as the system and peripheral matter-energy systems like replicators and transporters are functioning, you can add energy to the system by recyling into the replicators or whatever; they never talked about it, but you know Ransom's crew weren't wasting torpedo tubes as coffins for burials - they were putting their dead in the transporter and using them as energyvery early on there were episodes that talked about being unable to resupply, but, well, they were: they had no access to the infrastructure that normally resupplies federation starships and no idea where they could obtain compatible infrastructure locally, which means power and other supply problemsin later seasons when they talk about power supply problems it's in voids where there's no interstellar medium (which turned out to be real) to suck up hydrogen etc from, or in places where there's a power drain, but in the latter case it's no different to the Enterprise or whoever having that problem, and in the former they do actually deactivate the holodecks and even the EMH to save powerVoyager the show's problems stem from people who never watched it or, comically, did watch but never understood a primetime filmlook soft scifi drama aimed squarely at middle america in the 1990s
>>153183412Whatever, nerd.
>>153183970Voyager the show's problems stem from the writers being shit.
>>153183012Don't think I'd go as far as "great" for hypoxia as is. Though, if you choose a substitute gas that fucks with you like Nox, then perhaps.But, yeah, the pain of holding your breath is from the buildup of CO2 in your lung.Meanwhile, people die from hypoxia all the time without ever knowing anything is wrong with their environment.
"Would a boku be able to do this?'' Ronnie exclaims before grabbing a 5-pound dumbell, and curling it 3 times before wincing, farting, then hiding in a closet quietly sobbing for 45 minutes.
>>153179267He became a Moclan!
>>153183969Based Bee enjoyer.
>>153183395That's how they hang people in modern executions (though not before the 1800s, when they would have people stand on a cart and then pull the cart away), but that's not typically what people do when they hang themselves. Setting up a long drop is much more difficult than sufficating oneself to death
>>153182244She's real. He posted some Trek alien Ronnie art on patreon saying she drew them. The art style looks like the ad he puts on all socials now.
>>153183012>And using a gun fucks with "gun violence" statistics.Not really, most gun deaths are suicides anyway.
>>153172694Suicide is barely a thing for humans in TNG so this would be quite odd for them.
>>153184050>>153183970Voyager's problems stem from the studio exec smothering the show because they were panicked a mainline Trek franchise could fail but never seemed to pick up on the context clues that the problems they were facing all came from their own stupid mandates.>They looked at DS9 having negative fan responses to episodes where the crew was divided and prohibited Voyager from using the entire first season to work out the growing pains of a Starfleet and Maquis like they wanted, they forced them to just make the Maquis crew 95% uniformed and loyal crewmates by the end of the opening two parter.>They looked at the plans to make Voyager dark and hard going with more morally dubious problems and got scared this would turn viewers off from their iconic Trek brand and put down rules the writers had to follow>The year from hell arc was severally limited and scaled back>They were discouraged from longer over arcing plots because of syndication and not replaying episodes in order, they wanted pure episodic adventuresAnd now the Trek brand is almost dead because of Academy, afaik all the current Trek sets are being torn apart with no new plans to build any more.
>>153184076The best way to die is to be standing at ground zero of a nuclear blast and by God that's the way I intend to go.
>>153184944>all the current Trek sets are being torn apart with no new plans to build any moreThere is a God
>>153185007>Nuclear blasts>RealWake up Anon.
>>153185035Oh boy a schizo has appeared on the holodeck.
>>153184944>And now the Trek brand is almost dead because of AcademyYep, no more Star Trek, ever. The suits have decided that $10 billion is enough money and are going to put the franchise gracefully to rest instead of milking it, eternally, forever. Also coming up: peace in the middle east.
>>153185056Half agree. Star Trek has had periods of relative inactivity before, they'll probably just do another movie in a few years or something, and all the expanded material like the comics will keep chugging along. It might and probably will be the end of the Kurzman/bad robot era of Star Trek though, which would be a huge win.
ffs guys never ever kill yourselves. it's the worst thing you can possibly do.externalize your hate and kill others instead.Don't give up. DON'T let a world that rejected you go unpunished.this has been a mental health PSA.
>>153185122Everyone dies, if the worst thing you can do is die what's even the point of living to begin with?
>>153185122My life is over, I'd like to close the door on my terms
>>153185141everyone dies, not everyone suicides>>153185151better to hit as many assholes on the way out as possible if you ask me
>>153185156>leaning in the replicator>now you have to explain to Dr Bashir why your elbow is a gun and your knees are chainsaws>he calls you schwarbage
>>153185122People like to talk about killing themselves as emotional release, it doesn't mean they're gonna. Suicide is hard, it takes proper planning if you don't want to fuck it up, plus physical courage. Conveniently the things that make people want to kill themselves also tend to make them pretty shit at it. It's a lot easier to fall down a bottle than off a tall building. The suicide rate would skyrocket if more depressives could be bothered getting out of bed.
>>153185056Dead never means dead in IPs. I stand by my statement because if a franchise is totally out of planning and all assets for it are being scrapped or moved into long term storage then the IP is dead. It can always be brought back later but when it does it's going to be in new hands, often ones that are not seeing their work as a continuation of the legacy but as a restart of it. They will view what came before as something different than just what happened before and instead see it through the lens of a separate iteration and create their own version as a reflection of it.When Star Trek returns it will be unlikely they attempt to make more in the same timeline, by time Paramount feels like the brand is safe to touch again all the actors will be dead/retired anyway and so it will probably be another reboot from scratch.
>>153185281It'll be 10 years at most, just like every other time they've killed star trek, very few of the current actors will be dead or retired by that point.I do think that they will hard reboot it, though, maybe just throw all the Kurzman era stuff into the Kelvin timeline and start doing their own TOS/TNG era sequels.
>>153185305Isn't most of the Kurtzman era in the Kelvin timeline anyway? The Klingons look like shit like in that last Kelvin movie
>>153185156Careful about asking the DS9 replicators for guns, you never know what Dukat put in their memory banks.
>>153185320Just the movies are in the Kelvin timeline, the shows are supposed to be canon to TOS onwards, but I honestly don't think they will be considered canon in the next iteration of trek.
>>153185433Small mercies.
>>153183012But shotguns are so good for blowing your brains out with, ask kurt cobain
>>153173430https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3sJB2tcoJY&list=RDg3sJB2tcoJY&start_radio=1Mandatory listening
What did she mean by this choice?
>>153184944>all the current Trek sets are being torn apart with no new plans to build any more.ITS ABOUT TIME
>>153185391This was something never used again that seems like it would be a huge danger to everyone.>can just tell the replicators to produce anything from a bomb to poison gas or a robot that fires disruptor beams at specific targets
>>153184944>afaik all the current Trek sets are being torn apart with no new plans to build any more.THey always did this though, they had to recreate the original bridge from stills for Relics
>>153185141>>153185151You can make your death (and thus your life) meaningful by at least taking out some CEO's or other Jews
>>153185320no, none of it>>153185433TOS isn't even in canon with TOS, never mind the running changes on the production that were never acknowledged or the easily disprovable "facts" that Spock comes out with, literally every time they time-travel they change their own past and become a new thingCity on the Edge of Forever *requires* that Bones, Spock and Kirk be in the early 20th century to make events occur as they do, which is paradoxical in nature; at least Ben Sisko killing and replacing Gabriel Bell has the explanations of "Sisko is a half-bullshit-anti-time-alien trying to remake reality into something pleasing to him" and "we see an image of the original Gabriel Bell before he's replaced" to prove that events originally went that way without time travelers interveningnever mind that Steal Them Fukken Whales Boi involves the extinction of humpback whales in the 20th century to save the future earth; we can buy that there were other humpbacks and george and gracie didn't really change anything population wise in the original timeline, but that still doesn't change the abduction of that whale biologist changing her entire future; everything that happens in TOS cannot happen the same way because of those changes, and it's clear that we're in a different timeline after that just as there's a timeline where the Borg time travel back to Bozeman and assimilate everybody, preventing the Federation from existing, because we saw that as the Enterprise-E followed the time sphere back; like the multiple realities Worf is dragged through or the anti-time future of All Good Things, these are necessary, real realities where events played out differently, which we're simply not observing because we moved with the time travelersKirk is with Spock when he dies on New Vulcan in the JJverse, because Kirk's nexus echo died on Veridian III; nothing matters, no-one's ever really gone, fuck your canon and the whores Kirk rode in on
>>153173288>brrreet>Safety protocols have been disengaged
>>153187479>City on the Edge of Forever *requires* that Bones, Spock and Kirk be in the early 20th century to make events occur as they do, which is paradoxical in natureThat's the opposite of a paradox.
>>153187503That's a grandfather paradox.
>>153174075kek
>>153187437Pretty sure it was only possible because he had core system access. To anyone who is just a user making something that dangerous wouldn't be allowed.But since the Cardassians built the station they essentially inserted the emergency program into the kernel level so it bypasses the security checks.It does beg the question why more races with replicator tech don't hard code all their vessels to use the replicators and transporters for truly devastating counter measures in the event of hostile takeover. If the captain gives the order that it's a worst case scenario then all tech normally locked with security features start running an automated program as a last ditch effort.>All replicators check internal sensors and depending on the threat level will produce everything from stun grenades to knockout gas canisters to low yield warheads and a launcher to eject them toward targeted threats>Teleporters can be given a biometric signature and auto lock-on to any within the ship's interior to force teleport them either to a sealed chamber within the ship or into the vacuum of space>Teleports and industrial replicators can work in tandem to produce threat deterrent measures and beam them right into close quarters with threats, small things like handcuffs to serious attacks with auto attacking turrets>If possible to avoid ship self destruct then the two could be used to flood the ship with deadly radiation by producing hazardous materials and teleporting warp material into corridors so the it has the same effect of totally killing anyone on board but leaving the ship intact for retrieval and repairs/decontamination
>>153183452https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26H_xWocEss
>>153187853If you want to go down that road then no invaders should be able to do shit to take over the ship anyway... because the crew control the life support.Not only can they turn off the air/gas sections and vent decks, they can ramp up the artificial gravity and crush the invaders.
>>153187444That was back when the franchise was smaller and no one thought to save anything. For a while now I'm pretty sure they would hang onto generic sets and anything significant for when they need special shots. I know early on in DS9 since it was just a side project no one expected to gain serious attention that the majority of what they had were just a handful of sets they pulled from the backlot no one else was using. They reused the same corridor and bridge sets for a ton of episodes on the first season that they had to redecorate sometimes multiple times per episode to get the shots they needed.But it sounds like now even those standby sets are being torn up.
>>153187901>For a while now I'm pretty sure they would hang onto generic setsDude a set occupies a whole building on the Paramount lot, you think they're just gonna keep paying upkeep and filming all their other shows somewhere else? Sure they will keep some props in a box somewhere but the whole set will have to be torn down
>>153183465Holodeck would be necessary for morale desu.
>>153187853In the 24th century no one cares about male pattern baldness because they've learned to stop caring about such frivolitieshttps://youtu.be/2BBOWsWODX4
>>153187934Maybe if Feds weren't pajama-wearing babies and actually knew how to face a little hardship they wouldn't be.
>>153187876>turn off the air/gasYou can teleport air, if you're boarding and the enemy ship is doing that then just teleport the air from the rooms with enemy crew into the ones with your own forces.>vent decks, turn up gravityBoth would kill your own people. You'd never be able to isolate those counter measures to just individual spaces.If it's making a stun grenade appear in the room where crew and invaders are occupying or just ejecting all of them into space which has the better outcome? Most of those measures are centered around incapacitating or stalling invaders so you can regain control of the ship and it's serious enough you're willing to entrust some of the defense to automated systems. If it gets more serious than that then you're in the abandon ship and self destruct territory.>>153187920They keep such sets because you never know what you'll need episode to episode. They can store a lot of these type of things either as a large transport item or something that is disassembled into a few pieces for storage then put back together. Some of the stuff they were using were sets made for TNG as extras or things like an enemy vessel. Watch DS9 season one, see how many times they use the exact same bridge set that came from TNG over and over and over with new set dressing each time. It was just a spare bridge that was stowed on the paramount lot and DS9 grabbed because they had nothing of their own like that.
>>153187653No, it isn't. A grandfather paradox is if you travel back in time and do things in the past that would make it impossible for you to travel back in time the first place, like kill your own grandfather. There's nothing self-contradictory in going back in time to do stuff that already happened.
>>153188144>There's nothing self-contradictory in going back in time to do stuff that already happened.Ehhh, actually that is a type of paradox. For starters it means the only way a stable time loop can exist is if it still allows you to go back and do it. So you can't produce any timeline that would negate the need to do it. Fixing past tragedy so it never happened would create a timeline that you don't need to fix said tragedy. Only in events where you'd be traveling back in time to that moment for reasons totally unrelated to the tragedy could still work.Secondly if it only happens because you came back in time to do it then where does the loop begin? Does that mean the first time the events occurred people who didn't exist yet came back from a future that hadn't happened yet to complete those events? That's a paradox too.
>>153181953Pro-tip - Ignore the completionists, you are absolutely allowed to skip shitty episodes. TOS, TNG, VOY, and even most of the first season of DS9 are mostly episodic with only a handful of character developments or plot points carrying over the length of their series. Only retards will tell you you have to slog through "Naked Now" or "Code of Honor" or "Skin of Evil" because you won't "appreciate" later episodes if you skip them.Here's what you do. Skip all of season one of TNG. There's some good episodes in there, but it doesn't matter, fuck it. You boot up season two's "A Matter of Honor" and the episode immediately after, "Measure of a Man", both are very solid, well-written episodes. If you get to the end of these two episodes and you're not hooked, drop it, you're only going to continue to be disappointed and unengaged with the rest of the franchise. If you're still on the fence, skip ahead to "Q Who?". John de Lancie's omnipotent character from the pilot comes back and throws the crew into a crisis, you will have missed absolutely nothing important about this character or his interactions with the crew so don't worry about not seeing those episodes. If you're still interested, watch "The Emissary" and "Peak Performance" and then skip to S3. You can now watch the rest of TNG at your leisure. Same shit for DS9. Watch "Emissary" and maybe "Dax" and then just skip all the way to "Duet" and watch the rest of the series from there.If an episode doesn't have you hooked by the credits, skip it. If you get bored halfway through, skip it. I've been sitting her for ten minutes trying to think of a single Trek episode in any series where the episode starts out poorly written or uninteresting, but then redeems itself in the third act, and I can't think of a single one across five series: If it's bad it's bad, if it's boring it's boring it's boring - skip it. You will miss nothing you can't figure out on your own or be filled in on later.
>>153188211Your first paragraph is gibberish, sorry.To the second, yes, it requires causality to act backwards in time, that's what time travel is. There is no "first time the events occurred", the events occurred.
>>153188299First paragraph: You can't prevent tragedy if that tragedy is your reason to stop it.>Person I care about dies>I go back in time to save them>Now they're alive>But now I have no reason to go back in time and save them so I never did>Now they did die so I have to go back to save them >Now they didn't die so I never went back>Now they did die so I have to go back to save them >Now they didn't die so I never went back>Now they did die so I have to go back to save them >Now they didn't die so I never went back...>ParadoxSecond paragraph, you're getting into "has all of time already happened and there is no real flow?" philosophical/theoretical territory. That's a whole different can of worms that just opens new paradoxical doors.
>>153187653>>153188211It's the Bootstrap Paradox, not the Grandfather Paradox - a self-consistent time-loop where the events that happen are motivated by themselves without a separate event outside the loop that causes it.Ex. You love HG Wells' The Time Machine so much you build your own time machine so you can travel back in time and meet HG Wells in person. Only when you travel back you find there is no HG Wells. No one's ever heard of him, so you decide to create the identity of HG Wells, you forge a history and documents for yourself, you marry his wives, have his children, live his life, write his books or what you can remember of them. There was never an HG Well who wrote The Time Machine that inspired you. You inspired yourself and always have.
>>153188370All your greentext is completely irrelevant to the scenario, and I'm not getting into anything beyond what you initially brought up. If you go back in time, and your presence causes events to occur as they did, that's not a paradox. That is events occurring as they did. I know hypothetical time travel can be complicated but this is not.
>>153188435Bootstrapping isn't paradoxical for any useful definition of the word. A paradox is a self-contradiction.
>>153188482It's paradoxical in the same sense as the Twin Paradox. It's consistent within the apparent or theorized rules of the scenario it's described by, but is contrary to a more limited interpretation of rules or with our usual experiences. The Twin Paradox's question of who experienced more time is resolved by introducing non-inertial reference frames into the problem. The Bootstrap Paradox's question of who was originally responsible for the inciting incident or created object that led to the time travel is resolved by introducing the idea of self-consistent causality loops.
>>153188624No. If you can't plan the whole thing yourself, sort out your affairs, make sure your loved ones are taken care of, and work up the nerve all on your lonesome, then you aren't competent to kill yourself. I don't give hot shots to addicts, get your shit together.
>>153187503It's the definition of a paradox. People who aren't even born for hundreds of years are required to be present in the past for events that define the future they're born into. There's no natural way for that to occur. It's implied though never shown that it would have happened the same way without their presence, but since it can only happen with their presence as shown, it's a paradox masquerading as a literary hysteron-proteron. If the trio don't travel back in time, they will never be born to travel back in time. But they do travel back in time, meaning everything between their actions in the 1920s and their return to the future from the 1920s is simple predestination, it's happening because if it doesn't, it never can, but since it has, it must.This is a mere variation of the Grandfather Paradox and not a very complex one at that.>>153188144No, the Grandfather Paradox is where you travel back in time and take actions which preclude your travel back in time from ever occuring. This happens when Bones saves Edith Keeler in the original timeline, which Spock and Kirk must prevent from occuring. It's therefore a double-layered Grandfather Paradox, as Bones has prevented the Federation from existing, and even the Enterprise itself, which brought them to the planet of the Guardian of Forever. This paradox must be prevented by creating a second paradox - people who have no reason to be where they are travel back in time to give themselves reason to be there.Again, simple stuff, and not very hard to understand.If you're arguing that they do it because of destiny... then nothing they do matters. They aren't really traveling in time if it's all micromanaged down to the last subatomic particle interaction. They're not alive and, by extension, neither is anybody else, at least up until the last time traveler returns to the future. Every decision made, every thought had, but none of it matters. Do a flip on your way down, but not because you wanted to.
>>153188144>>153188746>A grandfather paradox is if you travel back in time and do things in the past that would make it impossible for you to travel back in time the first place>No, the Grandfather Paradox is where you travel back in time and take actions which preclude your travel back in time from ever occuring.OK I'm done with this conversation I think
>>153188624From experience - people who are serious about wanting to commit suicide are passed the point where they care about what people will think of them or what it will look like. Get some help and get on with your life.
>>153188688I have my shit together. I have a stable, relatively well payed job. My parents love me. I have a car and an apartment with mortgage I have no Trouble paying off and enough savings to last me a year.What kills me is the lack of human contact. I tried gym and hobbies but everyone one just meets for the thing and rarely talks outside (at least with me)I had a free week and basically didn't talk to anyone except my parents by phone.I'm tired of being touch starved and constant realizations that I'll never be loved by anyone but my parents.
>>153188847You just asked advice for the most important decision in your life from 4chan. Get your shit together.Hobbies, clubs, volunteering, churches (I know) etc provide opportunity but if you are starved for contact you also have to work for it. Depression makes people lazy and motiveless - that's not a moral judgment, it's an unfortunate symptom, well known to me. If you CAN'T work for it, consider options that you might think are beneath your dignity, like group therapy. Work your way up from there. There'll be plenty of time to die later.
>>153188974TRVKE
>>153188847Oh for fuck's sake.Stop wallowing in self-pity, anon. Get some therapy or get over it.
>>153186801The internet has been made for things like these
>>153187479>never mind that Steal Them Fukken Whales Boi involves the extinction of humpback whales in the 20th century to save the future earth; we can buy that there were other humpbacks and george and gracie didn't really change anything population wise in the original timeline, but that still doesn't change the abduction of that whale biologist changing her entire future;They brought that up during an arc of the lower decks comicsTurns out bringing just two humpback whales didn't work and the cerritos crew have to go get more whales
It's funny how people want to wrap things up before they kill themselves. What do you care? You're going to be dead. Whatever ripples you leave behind in the mortal world will have long dissipated in 100 years. And a century is a blink in comparison to eternity. I'm guilty of it too, but it's still amusing.>>153188974I went to group therapy once. It made me feel a lot better about myself because I was the closest thing to a human in the room.
>>153188847Haha that's been me since 2008
>>153190012>It's funny how people want to wrap things up before they kill themselves. What do you care? You're going to be dead.Narratives are fundamental to human psychology. Pretty much everything is a narrative we tell ourselves or others. It makes sense that people instinctively seek closure and avoid leaving behind any loose ends.
>>153189717that's almost certainly why the whales weren't there to answer the whale probe isn't it
>>153188847I knew this guy left school at 16 for a job in a mall, one of those ones I mean "in a mall" so that's how long ago we're talking about but one of those ones where there's this huge turnover of staff and you either get lost because successive managers never bother to learn your name let alone your skills or, they say stuff like "I'm quitting next week do you want my job"so in the space of like two months he goes from being a 16 year old saturday job to being a nearly 17 year old store manager (of no staff, because he was literally the only one turning up) on three times what he was earning an hour, then the 17 year old being offered the regional manager's job if he could present a clean driving license by the end of the month (he did)last I spoke to him he was living 60 miles away, 18 years old, just bought his first house; driving a company BMW (again, back when that meant something other than 1.4l of hatchback engine in a BMW shell), just ludicrous amounts of money coming into his life, and he was fucking miserable, he couldn't meet women, when he did they were like children to him because they only wanted to talk about school and not classes but like "this bitch thinks she's so hot" stuffanyway I couldn't really help him being 18 and far away and in school, so we lost touchand a few years back I looked him up and you know what? he did have kids, he did get married, he did get divorced, he did quit his well paid job that made him miserable to do something he loved something that was his passion and he absolutely beansed it, full on faceplant of a career change, but he's doing OK and he didn't kill himself, never wrapped things up, never got stuck into that mindset he was in of "it's so awful, things are impossible to change, everything I do makes me miserable even when it should make me happy"go see the future, anon, someone's waiting there to touch you
>>153185056>put the franchise gracefully to restFucking finally
>>153188238>Skip all of season one of TNGSeriously, FUCK you. TNG season 1 is great. Fucking pleb.
>>153191215it's OK, it's got some stinkersforget all of S1 DS9 after Emissary thomost of S2 as well unless you like leprechauns in your war stories
nuRonnie is so fucking bad
>>153192090why is Raktajino the one trek thing to get an editor's note explaining it
>>153183012fuck i miss the 'disengage safety protocols' shitposting. there were so many good ones
>>153186856That her taste in movies is so bad even Ronnie is disgusted and repulsed. Brave move.
>>153191584We did. 95% of the comments since that point have been about Star Trek. Mission accomplished.
>>153177245They probably do, but the show liked having characters with stacks of multiple padds to show how much work they were buried in. You could rationalize it as being their equivalent or a multi-monitor setup. Or the solution for switching between tabs/apps on a tablet being a pain is to just replicate more tablets
>>153192169Because the joke doesn't work without it which is why it's a bad joke.
I have seen a 2010's era treatment that almost got madeBasically, it was very TNG timeline, but after a devastating war that exhausted the resources of the federation, Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians. The Ferengi are in a state of civil war over social reforms and Heresy after British capitalist theory directly contradicted Ferengi theory.Picard is the grand admiral of starfleet, but his brain disease is so bad he's a figurehead, Gerdi LaForge is his handler, and Will Riker does the real work. Anyone with Starfleet experience is being conscripted and forced into service. Will Wheaton was meant to return as a reluctant commander of a Starfleet mission to explore a new galaxy through a wormhole in an outdated and ramshackle ship. One character was supposed to be a survivor from a cryogenic freezing colony ship, who predates starfleet. He's an augment from the eugenics wars, and has illegal implants. Crusher is unwilling to hand him over to starfleet, as he would be arrested and experimented on, he's also bitter about starfleet forcing him on this mission, so brings this guy as a security advisor. The point of the series was people attempting to fulfil the goals of starfleet and trek when they are hard, when resources are thin and post scarcity is over for the moment. Imagine the modern "everything is awful and gritty" series but if they had real star trek main characters still trying to live up the the values of the federation.
>>153192621christ no wonder they didn't make that it reads like Police Academy 4 without the tits
>>153192621This is ass
Oh shit, Whomp! is back? I thought he called it quits in like 2020The only self deprecating/nerd web comic I enjoyed
>>153193947You've got a lot to catch up on. Despite what the others say, I hope you enjoy. It's not terrible.
>>153194271Clearly, curently having a sensible chuckle as I read through the backlog of shit I missed.Why did he just dissappear?
>>153191215it most certainly is not, its half trash
>>153191532Early DS9 is far stronger than early TNG by quite a large margin
>>153194476The gf in the pre-hiatus comics dumped him, and he went off the grid.
