The only thing that sucks about this character is that he was introduced so late.
>>153181617So is his superpowers related to his freak appearance or is it from the suit suit?
>>153181643His Superpower is that he loves his job.
>>153181643Hard to tell, I don't think we ever see him use any of them out of costume and stuff like the Horse just seems to be artificial, though he notably makes a habit of keeping villainy out of his private life and we know there is something genetic going with the way he looks based on his daughter also looking like that, so he's not just deformed.I think the best hint we get is that it's up for debate if Brock could take him on and he's one of the few characters Brock admits to being intimidated by. Brock himself is very strong and resilient but it's mostly meant to be taken as the result of training and good genetics within the realm of almost being reasonable by real world standards. So I take as he does have powers but they aren't that great, kinda like how Bane has superhuman strength but is just weak enough for Batman to take him down.
>>153181617I think my only problem with him is that he is a little too perfect maybe. I mean kind of a big part of the venture bros is that in some way every character is kind of a loser no matter how badass they are. Red Death feels like the one major exception to that with him being an extremely competent villain with a genuinely intimidating design, voice, and history in a world of ridiculous parodies. While also being a completely balanced family man who unlike basically every other character in the series has his baggage sorted. Even in his funnier moments like OP pic the joke is more how easily he is able to bounce between his 2 personas without trouble.
>>153181719You gotta have somebody on the show who's got it all together, if only to highlight how everybody else doesn't. It's just good comedy.
>>153181933Yeah, he's an obvious, uncontestable level 10 while Monarch starts over. As a bonus he is also a friendly maniac with a pure love for the craft.
I dunno, I think if they used him more than they did he might have become a bit stale. I mean, you're not really going to do more development to that character than they did.Like how they dialed back on using Orpheus at one point because it was clear he was getting saturated exposure.
>>153181617He came just at the right time, as >>153181719 and >>153181933 his function is to be the exception to the rule but much like a straight man in a comedy sketch you have to keep their involvement limited less they become stale or worse fall prey to bad changes to the character.Everything has it's time and place.
>>153181617>God-tier side character>Never enough screentime That's just this series in a nutshell, pic very much related
>>153181617you know what does suck? MINIONS!
>21 never killed the villains, he just put them in the monarch's basement and would mysteriously give them food behind a screen>one of them went crazy and cannibalized the rest, believing it was a SAW game
>>153181617I don't know. I could see him wearing out his welcome. The Venture Bros formula works best when Brock is the only competent guy around, even if it's just from being the big fish in Rusty's pathetic pond.
>>153183873Brock was a bitch next to actual superhumans, like the Amazon chick.Of those three rent-a-capes it basically went>Overwelmed the dumb archer that just shot feet at people>Matched with the crossdressing Captain America-knockoff>Absolutly dominated by the superhuman amazon with one tit
They were obsessed with doing this Truman Capote gag character for all of season 5
>>153184698I dunno what it is, but occasionally the urge to just go>mmmmmm. Quizboy.appears as an intrusive thought for no reason
>>153182357 I think Doc and Jackson said in an interview or in the director commentaries that they wanted to se Dr. O and the Order of the Triad more, but that they struggled with having a reason for them to be a part of whatever story they would be writing
>>153183728That works to show how many villans arent LARPing, and why the guild need to exist.Some if not most of these maniacs, are a real danger to society, keep in line by some paychecks and silly rules.
>>153185916I did like that in the New York seasons we see more of how The Guild of Calamitous Intent and the OSI work to manipulate arcing encounters to minimize collateral damage.
>>153184698At the same time, the petiness of the St. Cloud and Billy's grudge coupled with them just being terrible at the villains and protagonists game is just hilarious
>>153184698eat the pennies Billy
>>153184627I really wanted to see Fallen Archer's civilian id
>>153188371I like to look at their thing as being sort of like a “kids these days” arching. Like whenever they face off it’s just them having what amounts to an argument on here but irl with the same level of autism but if they were to face other people who have been in this shit for far longer they end up either getting their asses kicked or pissing themselves in fear. Like how when the Monarch convinced St. Cloud to break into Billy’s place and he ended up getting manhandled by Gentleman before having the shit beaten out of him by Rose. I always figured if the old heads actually saw what a regular encounter between them looked like it would be funny. Gentleman would probably egg them on because he thinks it’s funny, Rodney would get all grumpy about it, and Rose would just be proud and tell Billy how proud she is of he little water baby for having his own villain.
>>153181617On the other hand, it meant they couldn't change their minds and decide to make him a chump who got killed off. Still kind of ticked about how Sovereign worked out. Wonder what happened there?
>>153184698mmmhm... Capote was a friend...
>>153184698They ruined St. Cloud in season 7 though. They leaned way too much into him being gross and pathetic for the New York stories. Which is why everyone remembers 'eat the pennies', but nothing from the The Bellicose Proxy episode.
>>153190889I think that was necessary. St. Cloud has everything you technically need to be a supervillain, but he just doesn't have that kind of spark in him.He just wants to get under Billy's skin. He has neither the need or want to cause general mayhem for Billy to have to stop, or rob a bank or whatever other villain shit they do when not directly going after their arch. All he has to do is snipe Billy's bid on a Stretch Armstrong lunchbox to get the effect he wants.Bellicose Proxy shows how the Guild and OSI system doesn't really work for people only tangentially connected to that world, and Billy, Pete, and St. Cloud have to take a clownish role in the episode to showcase how they're getting pigeonholed into roles that don't fit them.
>>153190889>Why not call it recton instead of PENIS?
>>153191068Instead of what?
>>153181719His past seemed to be rife with conflict as he mentions the Guild was down on its luck in the 80's and he was a ragtag villain then. Plus he says at one point the darkness of his persona almost overtook him. At some point if other villains dropped the incompetence maybe they could reach his level or maybe not.
>>153181719I like to imagine that Red Death is someone who was probably visited by Dr. Killinger. He's someone who went through the process and came out a more balanced man, fully able to achieve success, have a loving family and be the best murderer he can be. He probably hit a real low point after Movie Night. The Sovereign couldn't officially punish him because that was something they had to sweep under the rug but he probably blue balled RD on arching opportunities until Killinger visited him.
>>153190889I giggled at the repeated disgust whenever he mentioned “rubbers”, and St. Cloud getting the piss beaten out of him by old people was hilarious.
>>153181719This isn't true. There's plenty of characters who aren't losers like Jonah Jr. unless you count him dying in a heroic sacrifice to be him losing.
>>153191194It's a little strange because when he's first introduced It's treated as him being from the 50's like his life was a B-movie where he was the villainous experiment from a mad scientist for the hero to beat only in his case he killed his radiation powered super scientist good guy as a top tier Villain, but then in the 80's he's a nobody?
>>153191475>It's a little strange because when he's first introduced It's treated as him being from the 50's like his life was a B-movie where he was the villainous experiment from a mad scientist for the hero to beat only in his case he killed his radiation powered super scientist good guy as a top tier Villain,what
>>153192184You heard him.
>>153185453>had a reason for the triad to be in the movie>just don't include Al for some reason>even the pants golem got to show up
>>153192234yeah it sounds like he was watching a movie in his head
>>153192316Al's in the movie
>>153191443Loser in a general sense of portrayed to be uncool or lame in some way. JJ ticks the boxes for super cool science hero (rich, genius, mechanical limb, confident and charismatic personality) but it is contrasted by him being a 3ft tall mishapen parasitic twin that broke off from Rusty. Also despite his genius he still has dumb ideas like Ventron with its cockits being literally located in the limbs that are flung about. Or his idolization of Jonas Senior despite everyone who personally knew him telling JJ that he isn't someone who should be idolized. He has also has an ego, is ignorant of the workings of the world and the standard genre conventions that govern it, and in spite of his supergenius is still unable to deal with the mundane threat of cancer that befalls him.
>>153192339Barely. He didn't go on the adventure with Jefferson and Dr. O and Al plus Jefferson is a stronger duo than Dr. O and Jefferson. Come to think of it Al and Dr. O is a better duo too. Al's just great.
>>153181719Because he's effectively retired, and did so in his prime so he gets to have a normal life.
>>153181719>veteran villain so he's had decades to figure things out>he only does one thing and does it very well>clearly shown to not do well with Guild politics
>>153185916That was confirmed in the episode where JJ got arched>Hey, no disrespect, Jonas, but it isn't so easy. These guys like their system. It's what they do. You take that away, and you are looking at a bunch of pissed off nutbags with ray guns and giant... I don't know, a giant octopus-slash-tank with laser eyes!
>>153192316What are you talking about? Al has a few key moments. They summon the sock and underwear golem, which is all kinds of stupidly funny, and he says "he's a little Jewish" because he's a tiny jew which just makes his whole monastic theme hilarious. No idea if Dana Snyder is Jewish but it feels like a joke that only a Jewish guy would make. Kind of like how Mark Hammil is Hanukah-zombie and Jewish. Honesly how Mark Hammil talks just reminds me of an old Rabbi, but that's fuzzy memories I'm not sure about.
>>153192184Red Death is introduced as being 80 years old so he'd have been born in the 1930s at that time. His designated antagonist was named 'Professor Cadmium/Sterling Smart' which is exactly the sort of cheesy name associated with X-Rays and Radiation circa the 1950s and early 60s with the comic book alliterative names.Even though he dresses like magic, his horse is clearly mechanical and can be assumed that his powers stem from standard comic book like radioactive origins popular at that time.With all that it seems like a strange retcon to change Red Death from a victorious villain from 50's B-movie to a low life no reputation punk in the 80s.
>>153192582>With all that it seems like a strange retcon to change Red Death from a victorious villain from 50's B-movie to a low life no reputation punk in the 80s.That might could be because even if he's from the 50s he might be immortal as a result of whatever the fuck happened to him. And putting him in the punker theme seems to be both a nod to Ghost Rider and The Kurgan, as the former is one of Clancy Brown's most famous rolls. If not his most famous.
>>153192582I know that an 80 year old man can somehow still have a kid, but Red Death is clearly some dude in is 50s or 60s. He's concerned about retirement and what his wife wants from that. Some dude that's 80+ years old is already on benefits so everything about his interaction doesn't make sense as he would need much higher grade prey to quickly meet his needs and a hefty death policy. But a long term view would just be being part of the council with many years to live
>>153192870The functional aspect of sperm make sense only in a primal way where you kill or beat the ever loving shit out of your rivals to have offspring. It's just weird now with ancient hollywood stars having kids that will graduate highschool before their dads will die.
>>153192870I just assumed that due to his powers or condition he's also long lived and married late with delayed aging. Also, the retirement factor was added in the last season as him being concerned and wanting to save and cut back on hours as the soft retcon. But in his introductory season, he's depicted as having 'made it' with a huge mansion in the North Jersey suburbs and aged gracefully supermodel wife with no sign of financial distress, and arching just once a year. Here he's top dog unlike this later depiction where he's portrayed as middle management that never made the leap to executive leadership and still financially insecure.
>>153192965>>153192984So Scarface is still relevant.>>153192984Dude the fuck are you on about? If it's about Mark Hammil, I really can't say more because I might doxx myself or my closest friends.
>>153192582people say he's in his 80s, but like Monarch and Brock, never anybody who'd know for surethey also consistently call Hatred old in that season, and he is, but it's losing his serum that makes him slow down
>>153193456>>153192582also, in "A Party for Tarzan" Monarch literally says the whole thing with Turnbuckle and the Guild EMA levels happened 50 years ago; but in 2016 when the episode came out that'd make Rusty 7 years older than in season 1 (when he said he was 43) and at least 55, given his appearance in the flashbackI know Rusty's a clone and all but the idea he gets killed so many times between 1966 and 1987 that he doesn't know he's like 26 as a college undergrad when his dad dies is taking it a little far, especially as his whole argument for not having slept with Leslie in college is that he didn't lose his virginity until he was 24, so he wouldn't have to be a little out, but YEARS outwhen people say big decade numbers they just mean "old" or "a long time ago"
>>153193989>but in 2016 when the episode came outVenture Bros doesn't having a sliding timeline. The whole series takes place over a span of like 2 or 3 years, and they firmly placed season 3 in 2008 with a newspaper date. Any media references past then, just assume it came out that year in the Venture universe.
>>153191141>Penis, I said penis... PENIS!
>>153192427How can Brock with the modern OSI army be afraid of the guild and its villains when Jonas Venture a Doc Savage ripoff, one dude with a gun, a guy with a sword and a fat asian weren’t? I think people put way too much stock in the competence of the villains and heroes of the world. They are just “children” as Rusty puts it.
>>153192582>With all that it seems like a strange retcon to change Red Death from a victorious villain from 50's B-movie to a low life no reputation punk in the 80s.That’s actually one of the least surprising to me, cause that was the Guild’s “dark age” where Sphinx was running them out of business until they kicked off the Pyramid Wars. Hell, if you look at the crew that pulled off Movie Night, you got Tank Girl, The Comedian, and Freddy Mercury as part of his crew. For all we know, Red Death really was just a no-name punk who got lucky up until Movie Night horrified him enough to get his shit together now that he had a proper understanding of what he was capable of.
>>153195921I figured it wasn’t that they were afraid so much as telling on themselves in that sentence. Cause it’s 100% true that half the reason the supervillains look as hokey as they do is because at their heart most of them are basically losers looking for excuses to live out their fantasies of being bad guys so they don’t need to get a job like the rest of the jackoffs, and that without their stupid rules and treaties they’d cause far more damage like real supervillains do.But then again, if you take away the Guild, the OSI suddenly looks a lot more nefarious and controlling than they have any right to be. Hell, we’ve seen how a tiny fraction of them in the revived Sphinx could pull off some actual damage to supervillain crime, they just spent their time going after “unsanctioned” villains rather than the established powers. Brick and the OSI are as much slaves to the big game of cops and robbers that groups like The Guild and the Peril Partnership are, they absolutely don’t have to p,at by the “rules”, they just want an excuse think of themselves as the good guys vs the bad guys, rather than the much cruder reality of the FBI vs organized crime. That’s why Rusty’s dad had them duke it all out in the pool, it’s all a big farcical recreation of kids playing at being the cartoon characters they saw on television and in the comics, just with more red tape and bystanders being sucked into this shit unwillingly.
>>153196018No wonder Red Death was glazing Vendata, guy had to look like he carried the company and turned everything around for them personally.
