You are allowed to be in charge of one of these shows and are tasked to make it for a boy demographic and improve them. You have full reign to change things and remove some stuff. How would you make the shows better, anon?Doesn't even need to be just these shows. It can be other shows that were either mishandled or failed.
>>153190066Did you try airing them on TV with a regular, normal schedule and telling viewers the schedule?
>>153190101Its actually crazy how this applies to like almost all of the shows in the 2010s
>>153190412then we turn around and act like there must have been some kind of problem with the shows
>>153190066>Luz, Eda, Willow, and Lilth male>No Gus focus until way later, maybe girl>Hunter is fine being kept male (he'd be too similar to Amity female I think)>Amity stays female >Do Amity 'Luz you're a bully,' twist better >Male Luz is really socially oblivious and competitive at the same time, make it so Amity is objectively just trying to get her work done, and actually saves both his and Willow's asses with her magic pretty often>Most of the show is episodic Willow and Luz dicking around in the magic world, occasionally bumping into Amity, and every time they bump into her getting her into shit she doesn't want to be in>Gravity Falls shenanigans, but embracing the world not like Mabel constantly trying to minimize the magic >Amity actually has no friends, but nobody notices, because she's so respected at the school>Luz is a joke for awhile, because the paper sigil thing sucks >Eda and Willow help Luz figure out how to make it work by contrasting how the paper sigils can have the potential to work better then their own magic in someways >Magic system is going to have to be worked out a bit more like a shonen >Some sort of fighting style that explains why why Luz and Hunter are actually functional for combat, which differentiates them from Willow, Eda, and Amity>That isn't really optional it can be world's shittest explanation but it's needed, it was a plot hole>Male Luz becomes interested in entering emperor's coven, because he starts thinking Amity is an arrogant asshole, and wants to beat her at everything >Set up Eda planning to push Luz towards the emperor's coven, and being the reason that Luz ended up at the magic school to begin with >Luz gets to the decision to try to make the emperor's coven to screw Amity before Eda even mentions the coven>That works for Eda >Eda intentionally fucking with Amity by sending Luz to him initally, because Male-Lilth had his eye on Amity, and they have bro drama
>>153190066Unless you go full shounen, capeshit, or slapstick, you're gonna have trouble getting a boy audience. Anime is too competitive. I did imagine changing the concept of fusion in Steven Universe to where gems power-up into alien-like mechs, along with their fusions, and if Steven fuses with a gem he kind of just gets a battle armor upgrade while maintaining control. But it messes too much with the relationship aspect of fusion.>>153190101Even in streaming, adult animation sometimes gets the benefit of weekly episodes, but children's animation gets their full seasons batch-released.How do they expect their shows to gain a following without time to grow an audience? These days an audience must already exist before a show even airs or else it's a failure.
>>153190066For OK KO, I’d focus entirely on the robots/Lord Boxman and have it be a comedy series about them trying and failing to be villainous.Maybe have an adopted brother/sister character to be their “morality pet” trying to steer them into doing good.
>>153190066The girls in Steven Universe need to be consistently hot. Steven himself cannot be a crybaby. The songs need to be much more modern and something you can bop to instead of college ukulele theater kid songs. You need to significantly trim out any relationship drama and replace it with a lot more monster fighting. One surface level love interest is fine, but no love triangles or any of that shit. So basically, just retool it to follow KPop Demon Hunters much more. OK KO needs to dial up the humor way more and be a bit crazier about it. It needs to look at the humor styles of Gumball and TTG and take influence from that. The Owl House needs to basically erase any LGBT+ stuff. No more they/them love interests or "HI I'M BI" or Luz+Amity moments. Dial up the horror. Add some more masculine traits to the male cast. Gus and Hunter are kinda effeminate in their mannerisms and attitude.
>>153190066Easy, no matter which show I just add more fight scenes.
>>153190066SU is rebooted. It is now about Steven, now an adult, using his hybrid gem physiology to capture and dick down every Homeworld gem. He bubbles them and forces them to get pregnant and give up their physical form by having a human baby. Allowing him to defeat Homeworld without shattering them.The first time Steven does this, he has a boy he names Steven Jr. At first he’s thrilled to be a dad, but then becomes threatened his son may usurp him. To counter this, Steven uses shapeshifting to alter his sperm to a different human’s every time he impregnates a gem so they aren’t biologically related to him. He then renders subsequent male babies infertile so they can’t spread their seed. Due to his naturally slow aging, Steven continues his warlord-rape life for years. The hybrid human gem babies grow up under Steven and the Crystal Gems. They brand themselves the Neo-Kindergarten. Steven becomes a sort of cult leader, telling the kids they were once savage aliens in a past life and he "reincarnated" them. They all love and admire him. All except for the original kid, Steven Jr, who strongly distrusts him. Eventually, Steven goes mad with power, and his story becomes that of a Greek god tragedy. His point of no return is raping one of his gem hybrid daughters, forcing her to have a kid and give up her form. This shocks the crystal gems. They realize if Steven keeps impregnating every female gem, the females will all go extinct.This leads the Crystal Gems alongside a now 12 year old Steven Jr to rebel against Steven. Prompting the 2nd Gem War. Steven takes the hybrid gem babies to a different planet, vowing to train them to become strong and reclaim Earth again one day. From there Steven becomes the antagonist and Steven Jr becomes the protagonist. Steven Jr’s main conflict is not ending up like his breeder father. While also dealing with the ongoing Homeworld gems who blame him for the countless rapes of his father. I fixed SU, you’re welcome
>>153190066Steven Universe, I'd just make more about the space rock alien species thing. As a little boy(I was 14) watching the show, I jerked off to Pearl and Lapis and Amathist a lot, and the show was really gripping, but the beach city episodes pissed me off, and Steven not being serious at all about anything kinda pissed me off but also kept me watching. Dude had no good male role models. He gets fucking tortured for it over and over. Further the show just kinda ignored shit happening a lot. The fucking ex machena where Steven was trapped lightyears away from earth, came inside Lars and back out Lion just so we could have more boring ass bitch city pissed me off so much.OK KO was already a banger. There were problems, but I enjoyed that show a lot, even as an older teen. Owl House I haven't seen much of, but it looks kinda trans coded. I liked the ugly bastard witch hag. But, quite literally, all you have to do to make these shows "improve boys" is include more submissive male role models. You know Jerry from Rick and Morty? Men like him, but without degrading them for being so Jerry-like. We need more media that doesn't frame all men as either dangerous rapists or failures or gay. We also need more shows that explore masculine themes, like Clarance, without the fat effeminate Bobby Hill archetype spammed. The path to being an accepted man is increasingly narrowing. We can't expect boys to grow up to be extremely successful in a society that does not privilege them, but at the same time we can't keep shaming them for falling short.We need more characters like Jake the Dog. Or like early Ned Flanders. Or like Spongebob, but not framed as a loser. Or like Seus from Gravity Falls(but again avoiding Bobby Hill), or even, yes, Jerry sometimes, where these people are older and virtuous, but not in traditionally masculine ways.
>>153190066OKKO is literally for boys you fucking retard
>>153192019>. It can be other shows that were either mishandled>How would you make the shows better, anon?Read you dumbass.
.1. Get rid of the LGBTQ nonsense, shit was never needed to begin with, and only made things harder to market the show and just attracted wierdos. Something like this should not be shown to kids, period.2. 80% of beach city characters were a waste of screen time and should have been meant for like important characters or more aliens.3. Crystal Gems should have way more focus in the story and have them actually fight monsters and more alien beings.4. Probably keep Steven into a sidekick or a Kid Gohan-like role. Basically, make him into an inexperienced character who has to slowly gain experience to be an effective help for the crystal gems.5. Get rid of the melodrama and actually have real tension.6. Make some of the Gems have physically imposing or cool designs in the picrel.7. SU needs to focus mostly on adventures instead of taking 10 episodes to actually have any progress for the story.8. Having the characters actually travel in different planets instead of being stuck in Beach City for so long.9. Worse thing this show ever did was not show more alien species like lion or even more species at that.10. Remove the sing alongs and just add in decent songs at the very least.11. Show needed more fusions and possibly more unique abilities.
>>153190789Yep
>>153190101Sorry anon, Execs dont believe in common sense.
>>153191106>OK KO needs to dial up the humor way more and be a bit crazier about it. It needs to look at the humor styles of Gumball and TTG and take influence from that.I remember how triggered people here got when I said this when OKKO was airing. TTG was better at being a cartoon about crazy wacky heroes. Gumball had a weirder world. Both had "edgier" humor. Why did Ian make a discount version of Sonic instead of making an actual action comedy? What was even the target audience of Okko? Shonenfags that don't watch cartoons?
>>153190066Make the gems male, change the art style to something that's not blobs. Keep the gay but make the magic stuff better and remove the demon sympathy.
I haven't watched much of TOH, but after a few couple of episodes, it should have honestly had King and Eda as the main protagonists instead luz. The show should have honestly tried to make something genuine and learn from Harry Potter and other fantasy wizard shows instead of just blatantly stealing ideas from them.Pacing needs to be much faster and instead of dragging on so much.Get rid of the LGBTQ shit.
>>153192798OKKO is one of those kinds of shows where they dont really learn what they're inspired by and just become a mishmash of ideas, and just struggle to find its footing.
>>153190959Sounds like it could make a good spin off
>>153190789Yeah there was, it was the people in charge.
>>153191179I mean....your not wrong about that.
>>153193139Ironically, that’s the approach they’re taking in the upcoming graphic novel.
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>>153196254It's way too late for that
>>153190066Turn the cast into men
>>153190066Isn't OK KO already a boy cartoon? I think it even collabed with Sonic the Hedgehog, the boyest game franchise.
>>153198684>Isn't OK KO already a boy cartoon? It is. The main point is how would you make it better with the main audience in mind.
>>153198777I imagine it did perfectly fine and was canceled for not selling toys, like many boy cartoons.
>>153193139Only chicks like king.
>>153198825>I imagine it did perfectly fineDo you actually believe this? >was canceled for not selling toysSelling toys was never the intend. And other boys cartoons are still going or coming back and they never based their success in toys sales.
>>153190066I would cancel them all because i really don't live in the creator's minds.Maybe i would save steven universe and expand on adventures instead of wasting time on shitty secondary characters like it does. But still the characters are what they are because they wrap with a flavor of progressivism i can't work with.
>>153199078YesIt's a wacky random comic relief show with the money to hire Sonic and I see it all the time on /co/. I can only assume it was a good cartoon and it was cancelled for non-cartoon reasons
>>153192623Damn these are actually good designs. Who drew them?
>>153199141Old drawings from ZawaZawa707 from Tumblr and twitter. These designs for the gems is honestly an improvement to the actual designs.
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>>153190959No gay shit, either.
>>153190066SU just needed more action (with people who can actually board action well). Don't really give a shit about the other two
>>153198825A mix of a lot things really. Show didnt do well because of CN fucking up its schedule. Ian nothing doing the right actions and actually make toys to keep the show a float. The show genuinely trying to hard make a story when the show legitimately doesn't have the money or good ideas to support itself for it.
>>153200740You can't make toys of Okko. At least not successful ones. The designs were awful. Only a few furries and Shadowy Venomous had acceptable designs.
>>153199491Not picrel
>>153201330>The designs were awfulThe robots absolutely had good designs. The problem is more so how inconsistent the art style is
>>153199987Can’t I have at least a little gay shit?
>>153201392I mean that's what happens when most of the animation staff is filled with amateurs with no proper guidance.
>>153200740>The show genuinely trying to hard make a story when the show legitimately doesn't have the money or good ideas to support itself for it.A lot of shows during that time loved doing that tonal shift like it's easy. When in reality it's the hardest thing any show could ever do without proper planning
>>153201429If it's ironic maybe.
>>153190066If OK KO wasn't made for boys with those hourglass figures on every woman I don't know what is.
>>153203109It’s Beanshit
>>153203173I fail to see the connection between calarts style and 'being made for girls'.
>>153203213It’s lame crap.
>>153203228Lots of things are lame crap and not 'made for girls'.
>>153203262Nice cope
>>153203109I don't know if people don't bother read the comments made by op but he means improving the show with the boy demographic in mind. Okkobis made for boys but what would you change andiprove for that demographic.
>>153203109>hourglass figures on every womanHourglass figures are pointless if the rest of the design and the characterization of the girl are bad. Why do you think Enid's mother is the girl with most art? Because there is nothing weird about her design. She is a curvy woman with a cute face. Meanwhile, look at this. There is nothing attractive about enid and many other girls. There is also the fact that most girls are annoying and unlikable. When you combine bad designs and shitty characterizations the result is obvious. What is left in this show for a boy? Enid's mom, the robot girl, the green rat girl and maybe some other irrelevant background characters.
>>153204011Godamn this design is ugly.
>>153203296Nice arrest
