What does it even means to "save animation and cartoons" nowdays?Bring it back to its former glory? To heal it from biased political takes? To improve the writing in more natural and meaningful ways? To have more fluidity and visual appeal?Because none of this is being made, it's just muh "creatives" seizing control over the medium outside executives, they're both pretty much out of ideas. We're more waiting for a sort of messiah like don bluth who takes the responsibility or even some executive who actually cares about art besides money, someone with a vision and leadership coordination.Isn't this what we're waiting for, someone with a spine to think outside the box?
>>153212184>save animation and cartoonsIt's just a marketing tactic by Glitch to sell itself as "the good guys", and nothing more.
>>153212184It means removing all of the not-mes from cartoons so every cartoon is made only for me, the most important person ever.
>>153212184The problem is that most people have basic taste and only watch>Fandom/YA shit focused on "lore" and "fandom culture>Comedy cartoons by hack writers that don't give a shit about the actual visuals>Shit for babies and kids pushed by massive corporationsSo anything truly from the outside is ignored by people that claim to be "pro art" but never even engage with that stuff.You have to meet some nerds who know who Ralph Bakshi or Peter Chung are to learn about the good stuff.Find a blog posting about Soviet animation and ignore anything Disney/Dreamworks/Illumination/etc related.
>>153212209Shut up, frogger
>>153212184First, let's try and figure out the true problems of animation:>Being seen as a kids mediumYou can blame it on Disney due to its "nice uncle Walt" image, Hanna Barbara with its lazy/stiffness and 80's toy cartoons focused on merch.This is also why "adult animation" means "comedy": The main joke is that its a baby medium but they fuck, kill and smoke weed.You can blame it on Family Guy but Adult Swim deserves flack for ATHF having "ironic" lazy animation.>3D/CGI being a focus for filmWhich lead to 2D animation being "TV only" and also people abandoning art fundamentals.Could explain the beanmouth style.Some also believe Disney wanted Atlantis to flop because of this.>OutsourcingWhich means local animators don't get to work and direct their works, while outsource animators are treated like machines that barely get credit.>"Writers"Which means either hacky comedy or "lore" and fandom baiting.Most people that say "writing matters more" never even read proper literature and are fandom/meme Millenials anyway.>Weak reference/inspirationExplains why Disney's art styles are so imitated and also how people don't try to find other inspirations and frame of reference.>Nepotism/cliquesCould explain why even indie animators have certain trends.>Fandom cultureImportant for online animators who want to be away from the industry, but realize they need to pander to fandom people, which probably explains why so much stuff nowadays feels so "Tumblry".
>>153212679>Adult Swim deserves flack for ATHF having "ironic" lazy animation.No
>>153212679Might as well elaborate more.>>"Writers"Because a lot of animation is "directed" by writers and not animators.Smiling Friends was pretty much a "animator's show" since they even have so many collabs with animators.>>Weak reference/inspirationCould've also mentioned "Diet Anime" and comics/cartoons copying manga/anime correlates with basic assumptions like "animation is just Disney, Family Guy" and "comics are just Marvel and DC".You'll see Absolute Batman reference Berserk before they even remember "oh yeah other comics exist and Bats even had crossovers with Spawn and Judge Dredd".>>Fandom cultureAlso means people focus more on the characters than the animators.Which explains why they love cartoon reboots even if the new staff isn't as talented.It boils down to attachment to fictional characters before respecting the actual artist.
>>153212704A lot of AS consists of those cartoons because it's made by people that think bad animation is funny.It's also why, one of their biggest non-animated shows, is Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job!Just that name alone implies irony and a level of detachment.
>>153212720Stfu, you pretentious faggot.
>>153212184yeah in my expert opinion we need to bring back giant robots. None of current animators are close to mechanics. Look at Gumball's Nicole and Richard. They play it as a joke that gum wil fix the car but it's always the dim witty character doing it. They hate progressiveness for some reason
>>153212728What "pretentious"?You can tell a lot of AS cartoons aren't on the same level as a Looney Tunes short despite both being owned by WB.It's like knowing the difference between a good videogame that is fun to play vs a cinematic Naughty Dog title that made gameplay take a backseat for the sake of story and graphics.
>>153212679>You can blame it on Disney due to its "nice uncle Walt" imagei wouldn't put too much blame on uncle disney, he was producing under strict moral laws, but still kids entertainment back then was more serious than nowdays ultra sanitized baby slop.
>>153212184After all these years why has every single AI tech bro failed to make anything, all you make is what is already been made what if I take one piece and put it into an AI filter, what if generic sexy lady was riding a bike, and we can't forget about making Star wars jokes that have already been made. You complain about gays, transgenders and Hollywood but you make nothing. You have no creativity and talk about gatekeepers. You crap on everyone else but the moment anyone says you make nothing and are boring you freak out. You hate what you don't understand and what you don't get is you have to try to get somewhere in this world. After all these years and all this money what was the greatest thing the whole right wing anti-woke crowd made a dancing dog with glasses and that was made by a libertarian. Your guys made nothing but some Archie Bunker rip off complaining about gay beer. You hate Hollywood but you don't even understand that the worst of the worst in Hollywood have made better craps than you and your entire social movement.
>>153212184Even getting kids to willingly watch it instead of paling around with their dickbag cult units over the internet some more would be enough for me.
>>153212786Having shit on a plate is not superior to not having shit on a plate.
>>153212889You still don't get it you're an NPC you have no internal dialogue, or struggle. That is what art is based on is based on the internal struggle you have between yourself your ego and your emotions. That's why you can't make anything interesting no matter if they came out with a magic AI that could do it all make the perfect animation script or comic you wouldn't be able to get it to work because all you would do is what's been made before, because you've never actually looked inside to see who you really are. That's why you can call everything else crap, because it doesn't fit what you are used to. You want your macaroni and cheese from the same crappy little box, you never try anything else you just hate on anyone else is doing because you can't do it. Your whole conservative ideology is to go along with the same system never changing it never improving it and you wonder why you fail. You talk about how you would make something so much better. Yet you can't you want the same crap you've always had and you get mad when there's any single change.
>>153212642How dare you try to silence me. I am entitled to everyone's attention.
>>153212786>>153212968>t.seething failing artist
>>153212973Cope
>>153212978All you people do is seethe about AI.
>>153213038>Go up to transgender artist tell them I don't like their dick cutting off painting, get screeched at for attacking transgenderism. Go up to AI tech bro tell them I don't like their crappy generated slop tell them that their hands are bad and their ideas terrible, get screeching about how I must hate AI.
>>153213038Fuck off
>>153213066>>153213074AI is the future, cope and seethe.
>>153213091Kys, slopfag
>>153213103LolMalding
>>153213106But enough about you
>>153212679I forgot the change from traditional to digital in 2D also matters.
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>>153212184>Cartoons are unoriginal right now so we’re waiting for a messiahI wouldn’t go that far?I think people just want more and better regular work
>>153212968>Internal Struggle>When most of the artists and animators your shilling for sold out to the Big 3 and are dime a dozen upper-class nepo baboes and silver spooners.>Who still sell out to big corpos and ship their shot to China, India, and Korea for sweatshop storyboard labor.Nice LARP but your karma is in another castle.
>>153213253We live in a time period where you can get free rings free tutorials free assets of every kind you can use AI to create backgrounds whatever you need, you can download free made animation sequences that you can plug into blender everything is out there free and these dumb bucks are still waiting for someone else to make it. You have the power your cruddy little laptop can do it there's free everything and if you can't get it free directly you can always pirate it I don't know what is wrong with people anymore they sit there with their mouths open like baby birds waiting for someone to feed them entertainment. If worse comes the worst you can go to your local library and get a freaking how to draw how to animate book and with your drinky-dinky camera on your rinky dinky phone you can literally take pictures and put them together into an animation and you don't even need a computer you can just do it with yourself phone what do you guys want. You sit there and complain about artists and gatekeeping and how long AI going to replace them guys you can do anything you want it's all free it's all accessible. If you want to use AI to help you out go right ahead what do you want man you just are just the most saddest people you spend all day on here complaining and moaning and bitching and you won't just get off your damn ass and do something make your dreams real be the change. Instead of tweeting on Twitter go read a tutorial watch a tutorial try if you're broke you can get a pencil end up pencil sharpener and an eraser and just use copy paper you can steal that all from the library. And if all you can do is not even that and you can just literally take action figures you get a Goodwill and take pictures and make a little animation I don't know what is wrong with you guys if you want to use AI then use AI if you want to use action figures use action figures if you want to use a pencil use a pencil just make something stop complaining. There's no one stopping
>>153215213>Uses ChatGPT for his rants>LARPs about AI Bad because "hurr durr everything is free, just pirate lol.">When most AIgen stuff is normally using freeshit anyway from ComfyUI or Civit AI
>>153215213>rich kid babbling
>former glory What former glory? 00’s animation literally died with CN real, nick not giving the fuck about anything besides the sponge, there were years where the only shows worth watching where phineas and ferb and archer , is the former glory the below 30% worth of all cartoons in the 90’s you remember fondly?>”to heal it from biased political takes”Just say you’re a right wing fag, you don’t have to be a faggot about it, this is the slur website, you can be a bad human being >how to save animation???Basically do what adult swim does:1- experiment until you get yourself a trend setting runway hit (Rick) 2- milk the runaway hit smartly to give you more capital to do more risks more frequently , and put actual money and time into advertising them3- rinse and repeat within reason, slowing down for years, putting your foot on the pedal depending on how the attention economy is doing
>>153215283>>153215279Look dudes, come on I know you're cynical I know you see everything as someone trying to troll you or get under your skin but let me be blunt you can do it if you want to learn blender there's free tutorials, if you don't want to do that you want to just use pen and paper go to the Dollar tree start taking pictures with your phone upload them boom, if you don't want to do that and you just want straight on go to a free Chinese AI generator of videos or images and start stitching those things together okay, the only one who's going to do anything in the world for you is you and you're going to have to start out on the basics whatever you need to do if you don't want to learn anything you don't do anything tutorials and you don't want to even use AI the action figures I'm sure you got some start moving them around just have fun and start doing things believe in yourself and your dreams will come true it's going to be hard but you know what the journey starts with the first step you have the power you cannot just be a cynical person here complaining about what other people are doing you can be the person you want to be you can make what you want to make and hey if worse comes to worse all you have to do is grab a stick or a fork put some eyes on it and jump jingle it in front of the camera. And make a little video it could be you singing in the background or some music pulled off the internet but just start making something and start enjoying life. Believe in yourself aim for the stars because at least you'll be among them I wish you luck and I want you to know you have the power to be the change you need to be you can be that person. Or you can sit here on this board all day long complaining the choice is your . You just got to let go of your cynicism and your ego and just be the kid you used to be be that kid who wanted to make something and change the world a little. You grew up playing with your toys and playing with video games.Just be kid
>>153215479You are talking to yourself, bro.
>>153212679You forgot >Hollywood accounting>tax loopholes>tax subsidied >tax write-offs>for profit colleges >corperate focus groups
>>153212972Well said, fellow toadmaster
