What happened to the human love interest/human friend group? It feels they don't exist anymore and in the past few years they've all become superheroes themselves.
>>153220022You mean filler?
You can just buy superpowers. There is no reason to be a baseline human anymore.
>>153220022Nobody wants to write superheroes with normie supporting casts anymore. The few supporting characters they can't get rid of, like MJ there, Lois Lane, etc, end up getting powers to justify keeping them around. In MJ's case, it's also repeated attempts to give her a role of her own away from being Spider-Man's love interest.
>>153220022Instead of making stories more substantial or thoughtful to make up for comics increasing in price and writers/creators demanding more money for less work and manga eating western comic's lunch, editors decided we just need variants, crossovers, and events. Thus, more ideas rather than any substance. Pitches, designs, and more instead of memories associated with those ideas. Except now even these hacks can't even produce a good design anymore. Case in point, Jackpot. Holy ugly fucking costume, Batman.
>>153220022No one can write normal people anymore. I think modern fans overthink shit too much and think it's unrealistic or played out for heroes to have secret identities with distinct separations between civilian and human sides. They want it to be like a CW show where everyone is involved in the super heroics in some way or another, not realizing the separation is a key factor in the metaphor and themes of the superhero genre and just good for an ongoing comic to have some fucking variety.
>>153220022Result of decompressed stories taking more space to have stuff "happen" and leaves less space to have heroes have some downtime
>>153220022Then add to the problem of most stories are just characters talking and eating instead of superheroing. >looks at Rainbow Rowell's She-Hulk run.
Franchising. Everyone must have spin offs now, and you can't have a spin off of a boring regular human. They tried that before with Aunt May and Lois Lane and it just doesn't work, nobody wants to read it. So they gotta give them power.
>>153220022We dont have time for that, every comic canonly have 5 issues until the Status Quo hit in.
>>153220771Hey, Lois Lane had a 100 issues of wacky bullshit back in the day. And Mary Jane had a comic for teen girls that went on for a while, wonder how that holds up.
>>153220824This is what comics are these days. Desperate writers hoping their new latest change becomes part of an adaptation so they get royalty rights, and then movie synergy causes it to become the status quo. Then 99% of the time it doesn't catch on so they just reset back to the status quo.
>>153220872The stories dosent help too.One of Cap.Marvel runs:She get a new apartament, know a neibour and her daughter (ho is a fan) start to date War Machine... and in Issue 2 she goes to space have solo adventures and fuck every other caracter in issue 1
>>153221003Its just their attempt to introduce OCs in hopes that they'll get adapted.
>>153220111I said it in another thread but I think its because of Zendaya. She's a big star so they wanna give her a movie of her own, so they need to give MJ powers in the comics in order do justify a Mary Jane movie.
>>153220265The MCU did more damage to comics than the slow death of the medium itself.
>>153220265They love more designs because they can sell them as toys and costumes and DLC outfits in games. So everyone gets a new outfit every couple of months.
Because the "superhero family" has taken over hero and his normie friends. Because you can make lots of spin offs with them and increase the amount of diversity in your comics. Its how they shoehorn in a lot of women heroes. Also because they believe teams are bigger than solos thanks to superhero movies.Also what >>153220273 said with the CW thing, that really caused the superhero family thing to go into overdrive.
>>153220399Thats the confusing thing too. Feels like a lot of comics these days are more fluff and slice of life rather than actually fighting villains. It'll be a massive story arc, followed by filler issues of slice of life. Filler issues used to be when they'd bring in a D-list villain for the hero to whoop for an issue. Now that no longer happens.But what's weird is that human friends are perfect for slice of life and fluff, but instead now it's a bunch of heroes doing slice of life shit in their costumes.
>>153220273secret identity is fine in concept, people just got sick of it being played for contrived drama. most of it was variations of>if i tell girl, she is such a retard that telling her will reveal my secret to everyone for some reason. she will be in more danger if she is in any way informed about the enemies who want to kill me, despite her getting kidnapped every other week just incidentally anyway
>>153221242Comics by the mid 00's were already embarrassing compared to manga and were already in a ghetto of failed tv creators because the companies that own them don't respect their own product and had not a lot of cash and infrastructure to pivot from print phasing out. They also made bad financial decisions like Marvel and had to use cheap tabloid shit to dig themselves out as well as selling out to other larger companies. And yet they still did not think of their product as good or as meaningful. They sacrificed consumer loyalty and brand image for money.MCU just made those problems worse by standardizing aesthetics and personalities which were already flanderized. MCU just meant more forced shit being shoved into comics and a bunch of consumers who weren't loyal, entering into comics and realizing how little story you get when you fork over the cash. Or they projected shitty opinions.>>153221408Yep. I agree.
>>153221219Jackpot fucking sucks and Venom someone else's name, so they failed the assignment horribly.
>>153221219i think it's because she was getting brand poisoned by paul
>>153221765>cheap tabloid shitSums up 2000's Marvel quite nicely.
>>153221577Writing for the trade really buggered the flow of comics.
>>153223044It was notorious in the last issue of Absolute Green Lantern
>>153221219>>153221840Ella Purnell would make a better VenomJ
>>153220022some people working in comics are wasting their time worrying about the opinions of secondaries and movie-onlies. Some of said secondaries think having a secret identity is played out and if you follow that logic their supporting cast end up getting powers/power suits etc so they also participate in the adventures besides just being helpless hostages. i think its dumb
>>153224516Terrible idea. The civilians are what keep the hero's attachment to humanity.
>>153220022>What happened to the human love interest/human friend group?Dumb and useless>It feels they don't exist anymore and in the past few years they've all become superheroes themselvesSame reason they removed sidekicksThe offered nothing
>>153224516People kind of forgot why secret identities exist, which caused a self reinforcing issue.
>>153221656while i can agree that the contrived drama often got annoying and played for the non super character finding out the hero's identity and going on some rant about "you LIED to me?!" which i do think is kinda played out but you dont have to use that part of it
>>153224616>People kind of forgot why secret identities existInertiaSuperman and batman only have them because its too entrenched in their characters to remove now, but it was already old hat in the 60s
>>153224737Superman would end up too alienated, and Bruce would receive too many lawsuits.
Flash getting venom was a mistake and i'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
>>153224765really? i feel like thats one of the ones that actually works and fans generally liked. that being said i dont keep up with modern venom but from what i hear its unrecognizable to what im used to. Eddie had a son who was venom then it went to some edgelord sasuke type? now its with MJ? i dont know what the fuck is going on
>>153224705Rape by deception can be a fun plot point. Right Riiight?
>>153224803i know this board and the internet at large are filled with degenerates that will disagree with what im about to say but i would much rather fuck/be with human Jennifer than she-hulk. im not into the muscle mommy thing idk and im a manlet while she is like 9 feet tall. not for me
>>153224838Yeah I wouldn't want to be tunnel brothers with the entire Marvel Universe neither.
Flash hasn’t been a member of Peter’s supporting cast ever since he became Agent Venom, which doesn’t really serve a purpose because we already have hundreds of symbiote users. Flash works best depowered and interacting with MJ and Peter. It also started the whole mess of Peter’s supporting cast getting powers except MJ which makes her stick out like a sore thumb, since for the longest time she was the only one without powers. Peter needs more depowered friends instead of everyone getting abilities.
>>153224945He's got Randy. He's never going to get superpowers.
>>153224945>>153224798
>>153224945>Peter needs more depowered friends instead of everyone getting abilities.Marvel barely did anything with nonpowered Flash other than make him an alcoholic and later gym teacher. You can hate on Agent Venom and Symbiotes all you want, but those are far better uses than what preceded it.
>>153220022Reminded me of this.
>>153224516B-but if they synergize with the movies hard enough maybe THIS time the movie watcher will pick up a comic issue!
>>153220022Does any current superhero run have a decent supporting cast?
>>153225044By the 70s Ross was Zzax once or twice Betty was Harpy Rick was Hulk jr like 2 or 3 times
>>153225668>>153225044Yeah this has always been a thing it just never sticks and they revert back to the status quo. Only difference now is rather than try to make them sidekicks they try to make them independent heroes. Rick was also Bucky at one point.
>>153226341Also Captain Marvel's other half. Twice.
>>153226341>>153226437Rick's been all over the place in their outright refusal to have him just as the human friend>Starts off as Hulk's human buddy>Becomes a Hulk himself>Loses his Hulk powers, back to human buddy>Becomes Bucky for a short time>Ends up in a body swapping situation with Captain Marvel where only one of them can inhabit the same space at the same time through transformation (Trying to capitalize on DC Captain Marvel/Shazam)>Ends up splitting from the body but then they share a linked mind still and linked powers>Loses the link and ends up as Mar-Vell Captain Marvel's human friend.>Gains Nega-Bands for a while>Mar-Vell dies, back to Hulk's human friend>Becomes a Hulk again for an issue>Ends up mind merged with Gennis-Vel's Captain Marvel this time>They end up splitting and he become Gennis-Vel's human friend>Ends up being aged up and becomes a one armed space sidekick>Ends up de-aged>Ends up mind merged with Gennis-Vel again this time summoning him through equipping the Nega Bands>Seperates from Gennis and ends up in character limbo>Becomes Hulk's human friend again after they remember him>Becomes a blue Hulk called A-Bomb>Ends up losing his A-Bomb powers, becomes a hacker of all things called "The Whisperer" who is like Hulk's version of Oracle, this was when Oracle in DC was pretty big>Ends up becoming the new Abomination and goes crazy>Eventually turns good>Ends up losing his Abomination powers>Becomes Phylla-Vel's human friend>Bonds with a Symbiote>Becomes a Symbiote Secret Agent called Sleeper Agent, associated with Agent Venom>Loses the Symbiote>Bonds with Toxin Symbiote not long after>Becomes a hero called Captain Spider (current status quo)Look at this shit. What a character.
>>153226898Oh and to show how schizo they are with him everyhing from the beginning to character limbo happened in the span of 40 years. But everything from A-Bomb - Captain Spider happened since 2008. Whisperer was 2016, Abomination was 2019, turned good in 2021, Phylla Vel was 2022, Sleeper Agent was 2025, Captain Spider was also 2025.
>>153220022>What happened to the human love interest/human friend group?Here's a better question. What happened to professionalism in the comic industry? Imagine being this mad at a potshot from a video game that actively ships a super powered character to another one. You don't expect the subject to be addressed when the perpetrators think that they are immune to any form of criticism.
>>153226898He's the perennial sidekick
>>153220022>Marvel's fag writers think "superhero = queer person">queers should only be friends with other queers, in their mind, because straight people are boring and icky>Queer people are exciting and cool and quirky>therefore, every hero needs a team of other queer hero friends, because boring normie characters would just take away from the spotlight time for the exciting superqueeroes.
>>153228396Nah, even Alan Moore was commenting about it when he was still working at DC.
>>153228512Alan Moore has a lot of baseless opinions.
>>153227097>Imagine being this mad at a potshot from a video gameWhere's the anger at Marvel Rivals? If anything, it looks like the comic is promoting the game via product placement. Are you the same anon that keeps posting this same image over and over again, while blathering on about schizo-nonsense that doesn't even make any sense?
>>153228650Marvel writers have a love hate relationship with it, specially the fan service aspects
>>153228679Okay, but even supposing that's true, where's the anger in that actual page in the picture that earned the response, "Imagine being this mad at a potshot from a video game"? That's what I was asking.
>>153228727>>153228679Not that anon but yeah this fag has been posting it over and over with the sams weird leap in logic with piece of evidence. I dunno why. Might be a falseflagging schizo.
>>153220022Writers have no interest writing about anyone who doesn't have superpowers and feel like all love interests for heroes should be other superheroes. It's been like this for 20 years.
>>153220872>Desperate writers hoping their new latest change becomes part of an adaptation so they get royalty rightsThey haven’t paid significant royalties in years, especially not at Marvel
>>153224945>Peter needs more depowered friendsFor what reason? So that he ditches them every issue to fight bad guys? They don’t add anything to the story
>>153220022she's a garbage character no matter the setting anon
Marvel Staffers found the thread...
>>153221914It's hilarious how everything Mel said turned out to be 100% true, and now she's one of the most respected figures among young people.
>>153229060Ah yes you mean Alana Jobson. A little harsh but yes she was forgettable.
>>153229052For having a personal life outside of super hero bull shit. And yes he would leave the birthday party to go save someone. Why does every one want a comic where all the supers just stand around while Tony and whoever chat it up.
>>153228650>>153228727>>153228902Just keep him dead.
>>153225022And what is flash doing now that he is a super hero? Being used to cuck peter, or atleast use it as bait for cheap drama.
>>153229257We want Paul dead too man. Are you dense?
>>153229297After you.
>>153229166The promise was that mutants would make humanity extinct and parallel developments would uplift others to mutants' level.
>>153229166>For having a personal life outside of super hero bull shit.That is already accomplished with Peter spending time with aunt May and anyone he’s trying to date. So what utility does more random normie friends who do nothing of interest add to the comic? Nothing.
>>153229267He’s doing superhero stuff. Which is more interesting than 80% of his publication history.
>>153229345(cont. d)Leavjng this pic here if any cocksucker steps up again.
>>153229453Hey anons I don't get what this schizo's problem is but it appears he's an ESL as well. Insults like that are typical jeet behavior.
>>153229617I'm from Poland.
>>153220038shutup you
>>153229166you say this, but in steven universe everyone hated the episodes that were about the townie characters.
>>153228902It’s a marvel intern trying to discredit the marriage by spamming schizo rants about rivals
>>153231699>>153229408>>153229421Someone said it earlier. They think super heroes are like queens. Queers can only hang Hang out with queers. Make everyone queer.
>>153231913>Someone said something stupid so I’ll just regurgitate it
Comics are Queer now.
>>153233372Who is this for? Because I feel the person it's for would never pick up a comic.
>>153233937This whole run is a YA book for girls in comic book form. No red-blood American boy would pick this up. Unless they're one of those gormless consumers "fans" that have to buy anything and everything with their guy on it.
>>153220022JackPot as a concept is fucking stupid but it could have been fun if she was dating Peter and they were Crime fighting partners. He would have to deal with chaos of her powers. Maybe she starts using the device becuase she is jealous of Black Cat and wants to spend more time with Peter. Also, I like the idea of Peter building her gadgets, its cute.What I don't need is to watch Mary Jane build a relationship with another Man, it destroys her brand.
>>153233372>It’s queer to order room service!At this rate it’s going to gay to breathe by Christmas
>>153234558Remember the first Jackpot who was teased to be MJ but ended up being a fake-out?
>>153234591Is monkeypox airborne yet?
>>153227097Even in people’s imagination nobody plays tanks.
>>153234014But would YA reading girls ever buy this? Seems like a waste of time
>>153234014>red blooded american boyi miss the days when geeks admitted they were geeks, instead of pretending normie standards applied to them somehow
>>153231699>but in steven universewho cares about that fag shit
>>153234014>This whole run is a YA book for girls in comic book formNah, not enough smut... I mean "spice".
>>153234652Remember Twilight? >>153234667I miss when normalfags like you didn't clog-up the board with your semantic bullshit.
>>153234704It's too much talking & food, When they're not trauma-dumping they're talking about other kinds of food. It's like this series was written by a fat woman-oh wait...
She will be mutant soon along with rest of the humans.
>>153234014>Boys don’t enjoy chicken tendiesThis board loses IQ points quicker than than a chud gets triggered during pride month
>>153234813Eating them! They like eating them, not reading about a green hole whining about her non-problems.You Marvel interns really need to stop coming here a sowing discord and defending slop.
maybe you guys haven't noticed but the big 2 capeshit industry is full of incompetence. There's a reason it's in a doom spiral. Luckily for them the brands/IPs built up decades of goodwill so they'll linger on for quite a while despite being worse and worse
>>153234840>Women are holes! Boys hate someone who else liking same food as them! Why is she talking!!?! BLAAARRRRGGHHHH!!’
>>153228650>Where's the anger at Marvel Rivals?Rivals prints money. The comics do not. I would not be surprised if there was a corporate policy in effect that tells marvel employees that they are not allowed to talk shit, disparage, or complain about Rivals when its the only thing keeping people genuinely interested in the Marvel brand right now.
>>153234903The only thing that's keeping the industry alive is sunk-cost fans buying grab bags and CBR propagandists.
>>153234558It would have worked if they did this way back when Mary Jane was first introduced and was Jackpot from the start and they have this thing where Peter and MJ are dating, and then Jackpot and Spidey have this tense but flirty reationship, and they don't know who the other is.
>>153234903I wonder what will happen once the public domain hits it.
>>153234922She should be twerking like an empowered female!
>>153233937>Who is this for?Like a lot of entertainment over the last ten years, the person making it.
>>153235249Writers are very selfish these days, I blame fanfiction for pushing forth this version of narcissism.
>>153235287Most writers have forgotten that fiction is a window not a mirror.
>>153221577Yeah, it's the inherent difficulty of adventure serial. Presumably the customer is paying for an exciting diversion from life. But the best way to establish stakes are quiet character moments. It takes skill to fit it all in singles issues month after month.>>153223044Absolutely.
Man 4chan is glacial today.
>>153237248Cloudflare did maintenance today and fucked everything up.
>>153220022It's a matter of dilution over timel. The superhero archetype is currently a kludge of several distinct power fantasies which do not combine well. One of these is the traditional vigilante, who has a strong connection to mundane communities, but others like the mercenary and ideological protagonists have subcultures they identify with exclusively.
>>153220022she's fucking trash, op
>>153237437It's fixed now.
>>153223102What happened?
