Feel free to add:>That time Spiderman turned into a giant spider and gave birth to himself so he could shoot webs without shooters like in the Raimi films.>Kamala Khan being a mutant in her TV show made comic Kamala into a half-mutant, damning her to the X-ghetto>Everything about the Inhumans replacing mutants, really>2019 GoTG run being shamelessly lifted straight from the movie>Black Adam Black Adam-ing everyone in Dark Crisis and having his face morphed into Dwayne Johnson because of the latter's ego>Barbara Gordon remaining as Bat-Girl at the expense of her successors for a movie that will never be released for tax purposes.>Amanda Waller and Deadshot being killed off in Arrow because of the Suicide Squad movie. Deathstroke would also later be banned from appearing in it despite of being made an integral part of the show's plot>Wonder Woman's entire rogues gallery (outside Greek gods) and most of Batman's not being allowed for use in DCAU Justice League because of Nolan movies and a Wonder Woman movie that never got made>Aquaman and his villains being downgraded in the Justice League cartoon because of a Smallville spinoff that never got made>The Batman (2004) cartoon being banned from using Two Face, Rhas Al Ghul, and Scarecrow because of the Nolan films (even Joker was initially on the chopping block)
>>153238376>Amanda Waller and Deadshot being killed off in Arrow because of the Suicide Squad movie. Deathstroke would also later be banned from appearing in it despite of being made an integral part of the show's plot>Wonder Woman's entire rogues gallery (outside Greek gods) and most of Batman's not being allowed for use in DCAU Justice League because of Nolan movies and a Wonder Woman movie that never got made>Aquaman and his villains being downgraded in the Justice League cartoon because of a Smallville spinoff that never got made>The Batman (2004) cartoon being banned from using Two Face, Rhas Al Ghul, and Scarecrow because of the Nolan films (even Joker was initially on the chopping block)Why is there much red tape when a character appears in another media?
>>153238376site went down before i could save my original post>character is killed off/deemed off limits for a new movienever understood this move from studios, wouldn't it make more sense to have a character that's going to appear in an upcoming movie show up in a new comic run/cartoon beforehand to prime audiences and build hype when that character shows up in the movie?anyway>spider-man TAS not allowed to use electro or sandman for the ill-fated james cameron movie until electro was allowed to show up during the six warriors arc
>>153238376Remember the Batman Embargo? Where there can only be one live action Batman because that might confuse the general audience.
>>153238376>>153238450>Make a new miniseries to hype up Iron Man 2's villain>Said villain is basically Whiplash in name only and takes more cues from the Crimson Dynamo right down to his dad's name being the same one for the original Crimson Dynamo>The comic is set in 616>Introduce an entirely new Whiplash>Name is originally Ivan Vanko>But an issue later is mistakenly called Anton Vanko like the first Crimson Dynamo>Nobody corrects this>New Whiplash is just used for fodder for the foreseeable future, barely even appears in Iron Man's own comics even>Has probably fought Squirrel Girl more times to be honest>Also showed up in Phineas & Ferb for whatever reason
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>>153238615That's not synergy dumbass
>>153238471>wouldn't it make more senseI'm going to refer you to the Bendis GotG run in answer to your question, have fun with that
Remember when DC did the most convoluted shit with comic Red X, 15 years after the show ended?>make four Red X's>first one is Dick>second and third are unknown and all we know about them is one died and the other manipulated Brick>fourth one is Brick, some literally who cares student who was meant to be Dick’s son in Future State>very blatantly leaving two unknown so readers could theorize they were Grant and JasonAll DC had to do was have an unknown guy be roguish and charming and maybe have Dick be Red X somewhere in his history, but they do all that shit instead lmao.
Did they do anything with Rainbow Rowell's She-Hulk? Because all I remember from that run is therapy speak & food.
>>153238629you're telling me Batman wasn't going to the island and Superman couldn't hear what happened there? seriously?Hal "her planet goes around its sun twice as fast as ours so she's 28 not 14" Jordan is standing right there and you think it's not synergy
>>153238681Do you even know what synergy means dumbass?
>>153238695He thinks synergy means crossoversIt's probably the brainrot he has from reposting that page a lot
>>153238376>Kamala Khan being a mutant in her TV show made comic Kamala into a half-mutant, damning her to the X-ghettoHer dying and being reborn to get there like Spider-Man above makes this weirder.>>153238450For some time for some reason studio execs thought audiences were too dumb to grasp separate mediums told separate stories and would react negatively if they became confused why situation A from work B wasn't addressed in work C.Funny(?) thing is some threads have partially substantiated their view with anons confirming they were in fact easily confused as kids. Though that sort of thing is to be expected for very young and elderly audiences anyway, so I'm not sure why they worry. Also not to be smug, but some people are just stupid in general, it was probably just engagement bait for the comment section but I've seen reactors seemingly get lost trying to keep up with the reality switching in the Matrix, I kind of get it thought, with the whole "how do you know what's really real?" angle and if you haven't watched sci-fi before, but there are some pretty clear visual and verbal cues.
>>153238376The Bat embargo of the DCAU
>>153238376Bendis killing off War Machine in Civil War 2 because he thought he was going to die in the Civil War movie.
>>153238376Silver Surfer getting killed off and replaced with a female Surfer in time for the movie even though the one in the movie is Shalla-Bal and the new one in the comic isn't
>>153238376Marvel is like the WWE, They're embarrassed to their core in what business they're in and want to be Hollywood so bad it's kinda sad.
>>153239520For whatever it's worth that one parody collage explanation for this was at least amusing.
>>153238376the rock black adam shit was so cringetrying to make a tertiary negro superman
>>153238376Everything from the last 20 years.
>>153238645>we know about them is one diedDo we know the third Red X died?Admittedly I only kinda skimmed through that whole shitty book but I never caught that factoid at any point.
>>153238376>>Everything about the Inhumans replacing mutants, reallyIs this really "synergy" when it's characters getting pushed in advance of a planned adaptation, with no idea what that adaptation is going to do? The Inhumans getting pushed in the 2010s is no different than Dr Strange, Black Panther and Carol all getting pushed in advance of an adaptation, and they never actually "replaced mutants".>Barbara Gordon remaining as Bat-Girl at the expense of her successorsNobody but insane Cassfags are calling for Batgirl to be a legacy title with successors, and they're just a loud minority. People who like Spoiler are generally just happy for her to be alive and in comics, there's not the same insane obsession that she must be Batgirl and nothing else.
The Sandman show couldn't even have Constantine.
>>153240247And it was all because JJ Abrams was doing a bunch of Justice League Dark related projects, which ended up going nowhere
>>153240247Am I the only one who just wants movies and shows about a specific character to go back to being standalone adaptations about that character, and not guest-star filled shared universe projects? I wouldn't want to watch that Sandman show anyway, but any adaptation not being allowed to have a particular guest star shouldn't usually be a problem.
>>153239557can someone post it
A funny one I like to mention>In the comics Agatha Harkness is an old lady ghost>MCU adapts her for Wandavision>Wandavision is a hit, Agatha Harkness is a hit mostly due to the song becoming a meme for a week>Comics "coincidentally" start using her again>But wait, Agatha in the MCU is a villainous younger witch woman associated with purple, not a dead old lady ghost!>We must synergize, we're out of sync>Resurrect Agatha and de-age her>Make her more crafty and with a meaner streak similar to Katherine Hahn's character>MCU then proceed to make her an old lady ghost>Comics are out of sync again
The thing about the Kamala being a mutant in the TV show is they never really fully say that she is. They say here genes are mutating and they play the X-Men theme but it seems her origins mostly come from the genie verse or whatever and the bangles she equips. Its just the comics went insanely overboard and killed her and made her a mutant.
>The Arrowverse being unable to use the name "The Justice League" because WB thought that people are so dumb that they'd confuse the movie Justice League with the TV show Justice League and think they're the same universe.>Whenever they're about the say the words "Justice League" the show would cut away or an alarm would sound to drown them out or they'd be interrupted even though its obvious who they are seeing as how they're a superhero group who uses a building called the Hall of Justice with a bunch of round tables>Arrowverse not being allowed to use Batman but being allowed to use Bruce Wayne because WB thought people would be confused as to why its not Ben Affleck so they just had Bruce "missing" and used Batwoman>Not being allowed to use Joker so just saying stuff like "You know who.." and "Him.." and then you'd hear a laughter in the background>Gotham also not being allowed to use the name Joker so they called him "Jeremiah"
>>153240247To be fair, it isn't like it deserved him.
>>153238518This is just a classic case of "See now it's a comic book adaptation because they appeared in the comics"This purpose of this version of Thunderbolts was the same thing. When the casting was released for Thunderbolts* people noted it was nothing like the comic Thunderbolts so they did a short run with this team and went "There. Now its comic faithful."
>>153239081>>153241119Failed synergy attempts will always be funnier than actual synergy attempts. Does this shit even work? Does it actually cause movie watchers to pick up a comic?
>>153240180>Nobody but insane Cassfags are calling for Batgirl to be a legacy title with successorsTo be fair, nobody cares about Barbara, she still can't has a volume with more issues than the first Cass book, and her runs in rebirth were shit(even worse than Cass current run) and nu52 were irregular.I think people overstimate Barbara popularity because DCAU and Burnside(which always felt more a Stephanie book than a Barbara one)
>>153241303MCU fans would rather be shot to dead before picking up a comic
>>153241222>Gotham also not being allowed to use the name Joker so they called him "Jeremiah"I thought the idea there was just proto-Joker who hadn't taken on the name yet, they really weren't allowed to use the name Joker in a Batman show full of Batman characters? Weird.>>153241279>When the casting was released for Thunderbolts* people noted it was nothing like the comic ThunderboltsTo be fair, there'd been a lot of different iterations of Thunderbolts by then, around half of the characters involved had at least been in a version of the comic. The people who thought a Thunderbolts movie would have to be the 1997 cast were always running on delusion and cope.
>>153238645>All DC had to do was have an unknown guy be roguish and charmingI swear to Christ comic writers hate leaving anything mysterious. They ALWAYS have to ruin the mystery despite being shown every single time that it's a bad idea.
>>153239572>trying to make a tertiary negro superman
>>153241380I understand in the end Stan Lee was right with Green Goblin but the trackrecord shown us that neither Hogoblin , Kindred, and any villains with a secret identity became irrelevant when they tried to reveal their identity
>>153241419I just think some characters should be left as cool faceless mid-bosses that show up kick a bit of ass them job out. Not everyone has to have a full fucking backstory so some hack can get royalties
>>153241326>To be fair, nobody cares about BarbaraWhether you like it or not, she's a character that has managed a level of audience-awareness outside of comics because of adaptations, where the average normie has a basic idea of who they are and what they look like. That just isn't a character DC should be trying to turn into a legacy character and replace, and it only happened because Batman editorial was run by people seething about the 60s show for decades. Of course the character editorial seethed about for decades doesn't have many solo runs, and nothing lasts long without getting rebooted now.Even if you were 100% right about Babs not being able to hold a comic and readers not caring about her, the comics are ultimately secondary to everything else, where the real money is made, and DC shouldn't be trying to replace or retire characters normies know just because some editors don't like them.
>>153241222>Not being allowed to use Joker so just saying stuff like "You know who.." and "Him.." and then you'd hear a laughter in the backgroundThat's so funny to me, i don't know why
>>153241419Green Goblin worked because Norman Osborn quickly became an important character in Spider-Man comics in his own right, while the mystery wasn't that big of a deal, there were only about 3 or 4 Green Goblin stories before the unmasking. You can't run a mystery villain for years, and then act like Glub Xhitto is a big deal of a character who readers should care about because he's the man under the Hobgoblin mask.Unfortunately Spider-Man writers keep thinking they all have to do their own mystery villain because everyone else did, it always gets drawn out for too long (anything longer than 2 years or 25 issues is just going to be long than the reveal will warrant), and it's always underwhelming because there just aren't that many supporting characters who could be revealed as secretly being a supervillain and it would be a big deal.At least the Kindred mystery dragging on so long and being ruined by a last-minute swerve that didn't make any sense at all seems to have finally broken the fandom to the point where there's a refusal to get invested in later mystery villains the way they always did before, people seem to be finally done with this.
>>153238376test
>>153238376Remember, Supergirl is getting a movie synergy this summer in june, cyborg supergirl ends next month.The events of Kandor will leave her sad and depressive that she failed everyone and she is fucking off to space now looking like matrix Because matrix is fusing with her body to grow her limbs and heal her back and movie supergirl.And she is meeting skottie young lobo.All is left now is the solicitation for 15 to confirm the leak
Why do we even need retcons at all? If you want to change something why not just change it? Because the retcon is usually some dumb convoluted thing just to explain away a story element or change. just look at op's list and realize how retarded they all are
>>153241686In this case it's synergy working as a way to course correct. Kara losing her limbs in the first place was an idiotic decision. Who the fuck asked for that in what was generally a lighthearted cheesecake comic?
Going back many years but it still makes me laugh that DC literally blew up the modern Gotham skyline just to justify making it look like the Burton movies, because the Anton Furst type buildings were 'hiding' behind the buildings that got blown up
>>153239539Feels rather serendipitous that both are in a creative tailspin right now
>>153238450Because Warner Bros treats its separate divisions like they're wholly separate companies. In other words, from WB's perspective, the rights to Two Face, Ra's, and Scarecrow were purchased by their movie division, so the tv division couldn't have them. The Bat-Embargo even effected the DCAU. That's why only The Joker showed up in Justice League. Hell, Cartoon Network Studios had to pay for the rights to use Hanna-Barbera sound effects in OK KO, even though Cartoon Network Studios IS essentially Hanna-Barbera.
>>153241279And then the Thunderbolts* film's release date got pushed back and the closing twist regarding the team's actual name was sussed out, meaning they had to ANOTHER Bucky-led team book to synchronize with the New Avengers branding
I loathe synergy, never brings something good
>>153239572Even before The Rock tried to use him as his brand, Adam felt like he had people making weird parallels to him with Supes back in the 2000s that I couldn't really wrap my head around.
>>153242339they were trting to act like shazam was the magic superman too
I don't like Adams bringing Aya and Razer into mainline
>The entirety of Thor Love and Thunder adapting that horrible Jane Foster Thor character
>>153240180I think the Inhumans just get extra shit because their MCU plans didn't pan out, and the mutant replacement thing. Carol was getting year relaunches and every single attempt to do Shuri, wakanda, expand BP beyond T'challa has failed. Hell T'challa's last three books bombed.
>>153238376>civil war trailer drops>pic related happens>bendis thought that rhodes died so he killed him in the comics too
>>153241119reminds me of them changing comic quake's hair to the show right the show cut it. Or Carol being made into a half kree.
>>153241150They have said multiple times that kamala is the first mutant MCU in official promotional material. Plus the editors and writers have confirmed that turning kamala into a mutant in the comics was an order from Feige himself. Unlike most of the synergy that is done by writers without knowing the MCU plans this was blatantly forced by the MCU office.
>>153238376>>Barbara Gordon remaining as Bat-Girl at the expense of her successors for a movie that will never be released for tax purposes.This one is on her fanboy-writers.
>>153238450Sometimes characters have license deals that prevent others from using them. Iron Man couldn't be in Marvel vs Capcom because his rights were with Acclaim, hence War Machine being in that game.
>>153241466>she's a character that has managed a level of audience-awareness outside of comics because of adaptationsBarry is known for Snyderfags and Arrowfags(and "casuals" that know flashpoint)And his ongoing was being mogging saleswise by a fucking mini writen by Lobdell which a year later they put Wally as the lead on the bookAs much as batgirl fans want to talk, nobody cares about the female members , they care about batman, robin, Red Hood and Nightwing, nobody will beg for Batgirl or Batwoman to be on the brave and the bold and the movie was axed for the same reason they cancelled the Zodsuperman one
>>153241686I mean, the film is just Tom King's supergirl, a bad synergy would have been instead of releasing Campwell , going for King or a copycat to do the drunk supergirl instead this silver age-ish characterAnd the limb lost was just for drama, like that Byrne issue where we saw superman without an arm (yeah in that we knew he wasn't superman because Clark was there)
>>153242549I'm still mad Inhumans turned out like that. I like the original version of them and was looking forward to an Avengers movie doing a broad strokes adaptation of their first appearance in Fantastic 4.
>>153238769Where’s this comic from?
>>153239520And years later, 616 Coulson became a satanist minion of Mephisto
>>153238376>most of Batman's not being allowed for use in DCAU Justice LeagueThat's not actually totally true. The Embargo didn't go into effect until about halfway through the second to last season (which is why "Task Force X" was only in one episode because of Deadshot) The reason Batman characters other than Batman himself rarely appeared in Justice League was just because the staff was getting sick of them after so many Batman episodes and wanted to branch out more. Even then several Batman characters did show up until about halfway through Unlimited. Aquaman is what really hurt JLU because they wanted him and Black Manta to be a big part of the final season but were denied.
>>153238450Because companies are afraid people will equate a potentially bad adaptation of a product with all of them, and avoid any further adaptations. It's why they were so strict with Batman when the Nolan films were coming out because they were afraid they'd bomb because people would assume they were like Forever and Batman and Robin and skip them. Arrowverse had a similar problem where suddenly nobody wanted their stuff to be associated with it when it became openly known as hokey soap opera crap for women.
>>153238376>Batman's 90s all-black suit to synergize with the Burton movies>the New X-Men uniforms to reference the Fox flicks>Krypto appearing everywhere now>Bane briefly getting the whole Nolan costume but with his old mask>Gillen's Eternal race- and genderswaps >"New Avengers" (RIP Rapunzel)
>>153243070that's retardedmaybe they should've kept arrow good then
>>153242981Its made by one guys behind the 3D green lantern show on his experience with focus groups.https://giancarlovolpe.tumblr.com/post/82641459722/a-little-behind-the-scenes-look-of-the-early
>>153242339>Adam felt like he had people making weird parallels to him with Supes back in the 2000s that I couldn't really wrap my head around.Yes, my theory is that they screwed up Zod & Kryptonians, and Darkseid. Superman doesn't have a lot of villains with who he can trade blows with.
>>153238769>I've seen reactors seemingly get lost trying to keep up with the reality switching in the MatrixI've seen reactors get confused at the premise of the Truman's Show. They didn't understand he doesn't know he's a part of the show until more than halfway into the movie.
>>153243264People are genuinely getting more retarded it's not even a "kids these days" kind of thing
>>153238376Joker being turned into this shitty hyperexaggerated bullshit of a character, Thank God that for most of the normies in the public he was raped in that movie a couple of years ago, that surely will tone down the whole "HaHa must be universe-level threat or be capable of defeating anyone if he wishes" that the execs and people in media usually aim for. Now if only they could do that for Harley Quinn and we could go back to having some actual fun
>>153241119>>153241303>>153242820Its always distinct lack of communication between movie studio and comics studio. Mostly the comics fault for deseperately trying to synergize without giving any thought. Ends up like two ships passing in the night as they zoom by each other and end up on opposite ends.
>>153241364>I thought the idea there was just proto-Joker who hadn't taken on the name yet, they really weren't allowed to use the name Joker in a Batman show full of Batman characters? Weird.Yeah even right down to the finale when he's full Joker they couldn't use his name but they could say shit like "He thinks he's playing..a JOKE!" to drum it in.Also the Gotham producers had to fight hard and scratch and claw to be allowed to show the Joker outfit and Batsuit in the finale. Which DC allowed, but they weren't allowed to say Batman and Joker. But they've always been allowed to use Bruce Wayne. SUPER weird rules. The shit they pull with adaptations is more complicated than the "confusion" it would apparently cause to have two live actions Batmans
>>153238376>Black Adam Black Adam-ing everyone in Dark Crisis and having his face morphed into Dwayne Johnson because of the latter's egoThat wasn't because of the Rock, it was because DC wanted to cash in on the movie, and because capeshit artists are garbage and actively trace peoples looks. Ultimates had Nick Fury specifically be Sam Jackson (there was even a scene where the characters discuss who'd play them if they became a movie), Kyle Rayner was repeatedly drawn as Keanu Reeves and there was even an in-universe comment how he is a Keanu-looking-motherfucker, and at one point, I think in one of the Illuminati meetings, Namor looked like Jean Reno probably from The Big Blue where he played a professional freediver.
>>153239557>>153239520>>153240938I can't post the image because posting is completely fucked on my end, but it was posted on the backup /co/ bunker:https://boards.plus4chan.org/co/t486000.html#p486401
>>153241547Just call Joe Kerr and dare anyone to say shit.
>>153243253I think it's because he's a match for Superman but isn't just another super strong alien with basically the same powers
>>153241771shit I actually liked that story, I need to re-read it some time. thanks for making sure the comic and issue number is in the filename, saves me a LOT of time searching.
>>153238491People asking for Pattinson to be the new DCU Batman goes to show execs were right.
>>153238376The Spider-Man one is funny to me because they could’ve had him just mutate or something and not… all that shit. At least The Queen is a cool enough villain
>>153240783Constantine was in that particular adapted Sandman story that was adapted
>>153238376>Pietro and Wanda being retconned to no longer be mutants because of the whole not having X-Men film rights before the Fox purchase
>>153243928It'd be the funniest shit ever if the movies make Wanda a mutant anyway now that the X-Men saga is coming. They'l probably do that with Franklin too and his mutant status in the comics will be back.
>>153241769>>153242954Unironically this is quite synergized because campbell knows his shit over supergirl story over the silver and bronze age.Because Cyborg Kara was her last arc as a heroine through the 70's til her death at the crisis, which in fact thanks to doctor starfire removing her powers, made her vulnerable thus her death.If Kara had her powers, she would had survived, but she didn't, she was more machine inside her skin than a woman and all to continue her duty as a hero, even her eyes and eardrums and lungs were replaced for her to fight in space, plus the super strength bracers and the rocket boots. And later when matrix appears post-crisis, her first adventures were in space to prove that she was supergirl.From the looks of it Kara is Dying here but getting brought to life by the S-Matrix, Lesla and Black Flame probably dies and kara blames herself for all that happens and leaves to space for synergy for a while and returns at the end of the year, because it is obvious that Kandor will clone her and make Galatea canon but have her assume the name Linda Danvers
Remember when Supergirl was an alien made of chewed gum and was fucking Lex Luthor who was pretending to be his own son?
>>153244088I try not to think about it.
Daredevil suit schizophrenia is funny>Okay the TV show is using the black suit for season 1 so lets put him in the black suit in the comics>Oh the debuted the red suit in the finale lets switch him back>They're debuting him in the MCU with the yellow suit? Sigh, okay, put him in the yellow suit in the comics!>The preview screens for Born Again show him in the black suit again? Put him in the black suit!>Oh for 99% of the show he's in the red suit, put him in the red suit again.
>>153244039Yeah, as much as Campbell has problem at least felt like the author like the character, and read Binder, Cates and Kuppeberg stories about her. Usually most Supergirl fans go for Sterling Gates (and some even skip PAD because they find weird or noncanon)
>>153244156Considering that he is blind, you can just say that he chooses at random.
Inhumans being such a flop that Hawaii banned Marvel from filming there is a special kind of funny.
>>153238450WB learned from Toho
>Let's make Captain America a Nazi because Trump won against Hillary
>>153244288>That one time MODOK looked like TrumpAlso MODOK gave himself a family because of that Hulu TV show no one remembers.
>>153244156Let me guess: each of of these suit changes got a new Daredevil #1 attached to them, right?
>>153238376>>Black Adam Black Adam-ing everyone in Dark Crisis and having his face morphed into Dwayne Johnson because of the latter's egoLOL, LMAO, seriously? xD buahahahahaha. I don't read DC, so I had no idea it went THAT deep. Jesus Christ.
>>153238615This page is weird even without the context because God damn he's fucking ugly here.
>>153239608Dib?
Did any of those synergies ever actually caused incrase in comic sales?
>>153242339The Rock already wanted to be Black Adam back then, so maybe that parallel push was influenced by him. Funny if true.
EMH having condensed, MCU-based episodes halfway through the last season, and then being replaced by this horseshit.
>>153244629The Ultimates was pretty popular, but that predated the MCU, they were allowed to make fury Samuel L Jackson if they cast him in future movies.
>>153241222>Arrowverse not being allowed to use Batman but being allowed to use Bruce Wayne because WB thought people would be confused as to why its not Ben Affleck so they just had Bruce "missing" and used BatwomanThat's not WB's fault, that's because 20th Century Fox (still) owns Batman's live action TV rights. That's why the Titans show had to be so weird with how they depicted Batman (with Batman being completely in silhouette and Bruce being an old man).
>>153244800>20th Century Fox (still) owns Batman's live action TV rightsFacts? That would be an insane legality, but I can see the play. Is that why Gotham was how it was too?I had no idea Fox and by extension Disney and by extension Marvel had DC in such a weird choke hold.
>>153238376>Barbara Gordon remaining as Bat-Girl at the expense of her successors for a movie that will never be released for tax purposes.I like the current compromise where she pulls dual duty as Batgirl and Oracle depending on both need and the condition of her body. She has to walk with a cane
>>153238376>Sam Wilson is made Captain America>no one likes his comic>Nick Spencer gets triggered and makes Steve Rogers a “Nazi”/Hydra>Pisses everyone off>Even pisses off Chris Evans>For the first time, Disney actually notices the backlash on social media and goes to Marvel HQ asking “WTF is going on?”>Nick Spencer rewrites Secret Empire and later Sam gives the shield back to Steve >Sam goes back to being Falcon>Disney announces Sam as the new Captain America in the MCU>Marvel says fuck it and makes Steve, Sam, and a bunch of others Captain America to synergizeWhat a ride.
>>153246350It’s been a decade but I thought enough people liked Stevil. I know I followed his series, him working to overthrow the Skull was cool.
>>153244629No but if we keep trying REALLY hard enough maybe an MCU viewer will pick up a comic!
>>153243264Wasn't it that he suspected it from the beginning, it's just that he only got confirmation halfway through?
>>153238376>Kamala Khan being a mutant in her TV show made comic Kamala into a half-mutant, damning her to the X-ghettothis will never make me stop lol, plenty of character got demutified, most famously Scarlet Witch & Pietro, but this one, literally one character becoming a mutie, and not even a full-fledged one, makes some people kvetch. Good, kvetch bitch
>>153244288That's not how it happened, it was more like:>Captain America gets relaunched during the first half of 2016, when the election campaigns were still going on>The ending twist is that he supports Hydra>People flipped out>Marvel kept taking L after L with Civil War 2 and Marvel Now 2>Months later, Trump wins>Marvel decides to keep going full speed ahead into the event despite all the warning signs of it going wrong
>>153244507The Black Adam synergizing was pure fucking pain. It went to basically every DC related thing at the time
>>153246915I mean it really shows how much of a blight associating or being shunted to X-Men is for any character in Marvel if it so negatively affected just one of them compared to how being pushed far away from X-Men benefits the characters it was done to. So I don't know what you are acting smug about to be honest mate.
>>153244507https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmS9attaLEg
I still like Black Adam as a character. Rock can't ruin him
>>153238376>Barbara GordonBarbara Gordon/Batgirl was only made because the TV wanted the character.>1960s show wants a new female character to attract a new demographic.>They introduce the character in the comics slightly before she is introduced in the TV show.And famously She Hulk was only made because Stan was worried about the TV show making a She Hulk, similar to how The Six Million Dollar Man had the Bionic Woman. And Spider-Woman was only made because Stan was worried about DC or someone using it, similar to how DC had Wonder Woman, they had Wonder Man and how they had Power Man and DC made Power Girl.How they made black Nick Fury in 616 is really shit (pic related).
Black nick fury, black xmen outfits
That ONE time, they introduced a potential new Batgirl that went nowhere.
>>153238491Is that a hot take now? Yes, there should only be one live-action version of a character at a time. Separate concurrent live-action continuities IS confusing. When has it ever been done well?
There's no reason for scientific racism to not apply fiction. The time has come for ethnicity scaling has arrivedKryptonites >>V*ltrumites >>> the gunk beneth my boots >>>> Saiyans Who should be added among the flying brick races?
>>153247356I wonder why they didn't use the old bat-girl.
>>153247629The original Batwoman and Batgirl were gotten rid of by Julius Schwartz, Batman editor, who thought they were too goofy and silly and were partly the reason for a sales slump for Batman. They were only made to fight off accusations of Batman being gay put forward by Fredric Wertham in Seduction of the Innocent. This Batgirl didn't have the same baggage.
>>153243928>Pietro and Wanda being retconned to no longer be mutants>actually good for them, but reeee synergy>>153243928Why the hell would you even want this? Is what happened to Kamala not an obvious enough warning for you about what happens if those characters were turned into mutants again? The mutant books are literal Satan-tier evil these days, why would you even want that for anyone?If you can remember how the X-books abused Firestar for being an Avenger for a few years, why would you ever want to let those clowns near Wanda and Pietro ever again?And with the MCU in a death spiral, they're being blindly optimistic if they thing they're getting a whole 'X-Men saga' and not just a reboot movie that performs about as well as every other X-Men movie without Jackman did.
>>153239520>I boned your mom>then I split
If Marvel 3 was the good example of synergy by getting characters that were up for movie deals and trying to soft introduce them to the masses Marvel Infinite was unquestionably the bad example
>>153245751NTA but I vaguely remember something about this, yeah, as a consequence of the Adam West show's broadcast rights.
>>153247600This post was supposed to be in /dbg/ but I wasn't paying attention and uploaded it here instead. Cloudfare fucked up before I could delete it. Sorry for interrupting the rhythm of your thread.
>>153241326Nobody cares about your oc lilbro
>>153238376>Synergy hall of shameDoes anyone remember that time they tried to make Magneto not-Jewish? In the 90s they were thinking about adaptations and they got to a point where they panicked about Magneto being a Holocaust survivor for any potential adaptation, so they had Legion read Magneto's mind to basically say he lied about his identity and was a gypsy. Then there was backlash and they undid it. Then when we actually got to an X-Men adaptation, the literal first scene in the movie is Auschwitz.>Kamala KhanOriginally intended to be a mutant, then made into an Inhuman because of that whole thing, then retconned into being a mutant. Some others:>America ChavezOriginally a lesbian from the lesbian dimension, so essentially an alien. Then some people pointed out that she was essentially cosplaying a latina then and culturally appropriating Latin culture. So they decided to retcon her origin story so she was Latina but there was some experimentation and wiped memories. They did this because they wanted a cleaner origin story for her adaptation. Then they use the original origin story anyway.
>>153238376>Synergy hall of shameThere is a theory that all the 2010s Marvel diversity push was a result of MCU synergy/needs:>Originally the MCU discussed recasting superheroes ala James Bond, change the actor when you needed to.>This worked with some course correction stuff, like Warmachine and Hulk.>RDJ's popularity massively changed this approach.>Bendis was on the Creative Committee providing input to the MCU, famously he was also kicked off of it for stealing ideas for his GotG comic. Rumour has it that he saw which way the wind was blowing on adaptations and this massively influenced the creation of Miles, amongst other things.>Feige instructed a diversity push of, new younger heroes and replacement heroes.>Younger heroes = younger actors who could be in more movies; replacement heroes = people to replace current MCU heroes.>2010s created a bunch of new heroes (Ms Marvel), replacement heroes (FemThor, Sam Cap, Riri Iron Heart, Amadeus Cho Hulk) and also pushed some previously made heroes (Young Avengers, Hawkeye Kate Bishop).>2010s saw a massive sales decline until in 2017, Secret Empire and all the replaced mainstays caused comic shop owners to shout at Marvel representatives at a convention.>In response David Gabriel, VP of Publishing, said diversity didn't sell, but then almost immediately back tracked these comments the next day.>So why did we have this big diversity push, which was also a sales failure? Just politics? Or something more?>Post-Endgame all these new characters became massively pushed in MCU media with them originally a much bigger part of upcoming movies like the upcoming Avengers movies.So it honestly feels like the trash of the 2010s was entirely about creating IPs for use in the MCU rather than actually making good comics.
>>153238376>Kamala KhanSynergy Hell is the whole Kamala Khan push. No other character, besides Miles, has had the push she has had:>Her first trade paper back was majorly pushed in the YA book market with HUGE ordering incentives.>The trade sales figures people use for her first series are almost all weighted to the first trade paper back because of this.>Sales everywhere else with her have tanked majorly and yet she has been in video games, cartoons and the the MCU.>This convinced a bunch of people are Marvel that their comics would sell if they crashed the comic book market and sold exclusively in the book market even though this character flopped when the sales incentives ended.>Even when they threw the character a bone via going back to her original mutant intended origin it did nothing for her.
>>153248262>>153248390Fuck off you autistic cunt
>>153248207And then the movies lean heavily on Magneto being a Jewish Holocaust survivor so it really was pointless.
>>153239557>>153240938>>153243726
>>153248413I'm not following your complaint here. I just finished his second post, and the screenshot was a good read. What's the issue? Because you sound like a Tourette's retard when read in a vacuum.
>>153248207>Originally intended to be a mutant, then made into an Inhuman because of that whole thing, then retconned into being a mutant.It was a good thing in hindsight, since it gave her time to breathe
>>153248431Someone beat you to it: >>153247356
>>153248469>It was a good thing in hindsight, since it gave her time to breatheI would argue both choices were bad. Honestly, given the huge push she got, making her connected to either the Inhumans or the Mutants was a mistake and if they had kept the YA focus and some just some connections to Carol they may have been able to establish her more. Ms Marvel fans are pretty adamant they like her lighter slice of life type stuff whilst events and other things bogged her down. But then again, making these sort of connections is in Marvel's DNA right back to the start.
>>153248453Both posts are conspiracy bullshit.
>>153248262>So it honestly feels like the trash of the 2010s was entirely about creating IPs for use in the MCU rather than actually making good comics.I thought this was obvious? Even if they didn't get marching orders to make stuff for the MCU, they would have anyway in the hopes of them somehow getting adapted and the royalties that would come with it.
the iconic Wondering Commandos
>>153248542Ironically enough, Carol did more damage to her than the inhumans ever did.The two events that tanked her were civil war 2, and Hickman's secret war.CW2 heavily damaged her and her side cast.
>>153248566Most people just focus on the wokeness for the sake of wokness and not the IP farming aspect.
>>153247645Hence why Babs was introduced in the comics as a full grown, PhD having, working woman who used her expertise to figure out crimes at the same speed as Batman.
>>153248590>Ironically enough, Carol did more damage to her than the inhumans ever did.Sure, but I am more talking about an alternative scenario with light Carol interactions and not stuffing her in events or connecting her straight to Inhumans/Mutants. To be honest when you look back in Marvels history, stuffing B, C and D listers into stuff, is Marvels bread and butter. But the stuff people actually seemed to like is the lighter aspects of her which were completely overturned by all that other shit.
>>153248566>they would have anyway in the hopes of them somehow getting adapted and the royalties that would come with it.Ms Marvel has five listed creators and one of these creators is Sana Amanat, an executive at Marvel and currently Executive Producer on shit like Daredevil: Born Again. (She claims she is the reason Born Again moved to a more Netflix tone and yet I have it on good authority she is the one that originally wanted a more swasbuckling Waid inspired Daredevil for the MCU.) I very much believe she probably has a good sweetheart deal with Marvel when it comes to shit like Ms Marvel. Same thing with Bendis and the characters he made.
Are we just talking about terrible production company and licensing decisions? Because if we're talking about any snafu then you can shame far far more adaptations than you can venerate. Honestly kinda hard to criticize licensing decisions because mostly that's just particular people/companies looking out for themselves rather than one executive being a retard.
>>153247309Rock's Black Adam was just his Superman OC anyways.>>153247013Especially because Rock's Black Adam was in no way Black Adam.
>>153246350>Marvel says fuck it and makes Steve, Sam, and a bunch of others Captain America to synergizeThe "Captain Americas" comic was so funny because it was just so lazy and blatantly "Fuck it, you get a Captain America, you get a Captain America, you do."It was just Sam's Cap, Steve's Cap, This gay guy is Cap, this White Woman is Cap, This Black Woman is cap, This Latina is Cap, This Black man is Cap, this other White guy is Cap. THERE. HAPPY?
Is this the only postitive case of "Synergy"?
>>153248846I mean a bunch of the stuff with Superman, the radio show introducing stuff like Kryptonite etc.
>>153248827Too many Caps. Too many Spider-people. Make it stop.
>>153248846Early Superman is littered with itThe Daily Star became the Daily Planet because of the comic strip, the unnamed newsboy became Jimmy Olsen because he needed a name in the radio show, as this >>153248861 anon mentions, Kryptonite was invented because Bud Collyer had to take a break sometimes, Lois being bad at spelling comes from the movie, and many many more
X-Men costuming saga.>Movie has black leather.>"What were you expecting, spandex?">Introduced in Grant Morrison's New X-Men title costumes similar to the movies.>Got no proper X-Men costumes in the film.>Until The Wolverine teases a proper Wolverine costume in the end or end credits, I forget which.>Still don't get his costume in further movies.>Until fucking Deadpool and Wolverine of all places.>Also give Xavier his yellow floating wheelchair in Dr Strange Multiverse of Madness along with X-Men musical sting.
TMNT changed vastly between comic, cartoon, movie.
>>153248913>Forgot pic.We went from X-Men (2000) movie, original costumes are seen as goofy, let us joke about them. Thirteen years later we get a costume teased in The Wolverine (2013) movie like it is some big thing that we might get something accurate or something that people want. Then another eleven years later to actually see it in a film, Deadpool and Wolverine (2024). Twenty-four years of live action Wolverine to see him in a more comics accurate costume.
>>153248924Yeah but this is about bad synergy, so you'd want to specifically mention shit like IDW making the origin convoluted so Splinter could be both a smart mutated rat and also Hamato Yoshi
>>153238376>>Barbara Gordon remaining as Bat-Girl at the expense of her successors for a movie that will never be released for tax purposes.How did this have to do with the movie, and not Didio destroying Oracle?
Making a black wally west because of the TV show.
>>153247356>And famously She Hulk was only made because Stan was worried about the TV show making a She Hulk, similar to how The Six Million Dollar Man had the Bionic Woman. And Spider-Woman was only made because Stan was worried about DC or someone using it, similar to how DC had Wonder Woman, they had Wonder Man and how they had Power Man and DC made Power Girl.I thought it was because of some pre-SNL skit show. They made the obvious PMS She-Hulk joke, Marvel went to sue, then couldn't...cause they didn't have a She-Hulk yet.
>>153249161I am pretty it was made to bury him so he would never again usurp Barry's spot.
>>153249178>She-Hulk was created by Stan Lee, who wrote only the first issue, and was the last character he created for Marvel Comics,[6] until his return to comics with Ravage 2099 in 1992. The reason behind the character's creation had to do with the success of The Incredible Hulk (1977–1982) and The Bionic Woman television series, both from Universal Television. Marvel was afraid that the show's executives might suddenly introduce a female version of the Hulk, as producer Kenneth Johnson had already done with The Six Million Dollar Man.[7] So Marvel decided to publish their own version of such a character to make sure that, if a similar one appeared in the television series, Marvel would own the rights.[8][9] Kenneth Johnson later said the plans for season five of The Incredible Hulk was to have Banner's sister suffering from a disease where only the blood of a sibling could save her life, which would turn her into a "woman Hulk who was crazy and scary and dangerous". But six episodes into the season, a new boss at CBS decided to cancel the show with immediate effect, ending the last season with episode seven.[10]
>>153248868Its all about having a "family" now Cap-Family, Spider-Family, Iron-Family. Means you can produce more spin off comics and franchises.
>>153249232The Batfamily is already too much for me. I don't mind a cast of side characters but most side characters are pointless now.
Reviving Hank Pym a few years ago but turning him into a old man in the process because>The Ant-Man movie trilogy already ended by that point.Literally why even make this change a decade later when the main source of inspiration was already done, just revive him and put him in a Giant-Man costume and leave it like that.
Force Works in the comics and 90s iron Man animated show felt very forced.
Getting rid of Avengers EMH on exchange for MCU synergy Avengers cartoon.
>>153241629> and it's always underwhelming because there just aren't that many supporting characters who could be revealed as secretly being a supervillain >new52 batman>I wonder who the super talon court of owl boss was>maybe just maybe, the only single new civilian character we debuted in this story arc, who happens to be a tall bodybuilding chadIf you are gonna make it a mystery at least put 2 or 3 suspects, lazy bums
>>153249368Court of Owls was originally meant to be a Dickbats story, like Scott's previous Dickbats story The Black Mirror (which was well received).>Lincoln Marsh was very Bruce like, taking Dick under his wing. This was going to give it more meaning. Lincoln also claimed connection to the Wayne family. >Batman being beaten to a pulp in the maze was meant to be Dick thinking he couldn't make it as Batman. >The Talons connection to the Grayson Flying circus and how he could have become a Talon.>Why the Court decided to strike now.The reason why that story feels so unsatisfying is because the New 52 was made in such a short creative turn and his Dick story became a Bruce story. The mystery wasn't the point, it was how the character was Bruce like, the connections to the circus, Dick not feeling like he was good enough, so much so that Gotham wasn't even something he fully knew. But we lost all that.
>>153241629>At least the Kindred mystery dragging on so long and being ruined by a last-minute swerve that didn't make any sense at all seems to have finally broken the fandom to the point where there's a refusal to get invested in later mystery villains the way they always did before, people seem to be finally done with this.Reminds me, wasn't Whor really supposed to be Rosalind Solomon, but that was totally guessed so the writer (Vince) Russo swerved to Jane Foster?
>>153248953And it looked worse than X2 suit black leather suit. This backstage pic looks better than the actual movie of DP3.
>>153241419Stan Lee originally wanted Green Goblin to be some sort of Egyptian deity/monster, originally. And it is actually false that Ditko wanted it to be "some random person". There is a good video on YouTube about this misconception.
>>153249430"I swear its not X" is kino material for another thread.>I swear Jason is not the Arkham Knight, its a new character>I swear we are not retconning Hydra Captain, there will be no magical solution
>>153249418>Court of Owls was originally meant to be a Dickbats storyThe New 52 company wide synergy. The post Brightest Day line refresh got turned into a cynical attempt at a reboot.>We want a fresh start! New readers!>Except Batman Inc, Green Lantern and all these other series were continuations.>Green Arrow decided to ape off of the Arrow show, introduced characters similar to that show, it was shit until the Lemire run.>These series were just previously planned stories changed last minute like Aquaman was a post Brightest Day reshuffle.>Then titles meant to be accessible.>Everything in continuity happened in a 5 year span or something. >Massive continuity issues and tone shift between books.
>>153241364An "original team" Thunderbolts movie would've been great... if Disney had made the blip-era be a proper saga.
>>153249232There are enough people that dress up in patriotic attire or have worn armor around Captain America and Iron Man they probably would qualify as having a family long before "now". Just that they tend to fall into cracks. I think that means Spider-Man is the purest since the various Spider-Women are unrelated to him and his original superpowered friends all did their own things. It wasn't until Ben and Kaine you really had that kind of thing.
>>153248953It's so funny that him putting on the mask was treated as some hype moment in D&W, like it was akin to the cap yelling "Avengers Assemble" in Endgame.
>>153238376>Zayne "The Cock" Robson as Blake Adon
>>153249762They'd also have needed to stop killing their villainsWhat would a correct Thunderbolts even look like in the MCU, Zemo, Justin Hammer, ???
>>153249822It feels surprising Moonstone wasn't in a movie yet. She's extremely flexible conceptually.
>>153249501>I swear Peter Parker is never coming back, Superior Spider is the new paradigmI wish it had been true.
>>153244288Honestly you could probably fill three Thunderbolts teams with Blumph strawmen and still have some on the bench. They've gone back to that well an alarming number of times.>>153248390At least the Miles push paid off. There are people who unironically like Miles out there. Two successful movies, even if Peter is in there too. Kamala has been pure poison to everything she's ever been in except Marvel Rivals, I think, and that's just a case of chinkware being too chinky to fail.
>>153238376Not that related but I do wonder if I Hate Fairyland’s second run doing a massive status quo reset in issue # 7 and it eventually returning to the original numbering was an attempt from its author to appeal to some higher ups for a possible cartoon adaptation.
>>153250382Kamala isn’t in Rivals
>>153243012Whatever happened to that? Is he still the devil's little bitch?
>>153250529He died and got revived as the avatar of Death
>>153250382Can we have a Rupert Murdoch stand-in on a team for flavor?
>>153244629Wally suit was the TV show one if I remember well, but I doubt It led to more sales.
>>153246350Nick Spencer felt to be a pain in the ass to work, left DC , then left Marvel , and no company want to work with him.But redditor like him because he wrote some chungus pages with Peter and MJ in a sofa(probably most of them were pitched by the artist)
>>153250910I like what Nick Spencer does with Spider-Man villains since he actually uses them and gives them characterisation. Though I also don't like his Serpent Society additions or how he handled Diamondback.
>>153250973I like him for what he did with Ant-Man during his run
>>153249418That sounds a lot better than what we got. I'm so mad about the new52 fucking things up, and Dickbats not lasting too long because gotta have Bruce back asap!
>>153238645>>fourth one is Brick, some literally who cares student who was meant to be Dick’s son in Future StateThis was the most retarded thing about it>Hey kid, did you ever meet your dad?>Nope>Well I know we don't know each other but your dad is actually this dude barely ten years older than you>How do I know you're not lying?>Because your name in Italian means "Robin" and he used to be Robin>Shit that must mean you're right. Sign me in in your crazy villain plan then.
>>153238675Not much really. It was just a comfy book
>>153239572They were pushing hard for a black Superman and a black Constantine at the same time too
>>153240180It's because Feige wanted the Inhumans to be the replacement X-Men since the MCU couldn't get the hands on the former
>>153251834I was under the impression the Inhumans' X-Scabs push was largely a Perlmutter driven initiative since it was pushed primarily on the branches of Marvel he still had control over (comics and television)
>>153238376Dredd being better than the original comic book origin for Judge Death was way better. I wish they retconned it as such.
>>153251933It was, Feige wasn't really interested in the Inhumans
>>153248566Haven't they publicly stated that Marvel Comics' main objective today is to create material for movies to eventually adapt?
>>153249822>What would a correct Thunderbolts even look like in the MCU, Zemo, Justin HammerI remember a lot of people pitching Abomination because he was one of the few villains who didn't die and then they went and turned him into a good guy because "we gotta have a big CGI character who speaks funny".Also remember when they brought back Batroc just to kill him?
>>153244681I hate Jeph Loeb for what he did to EMH. Fuck that prick.
>>153252954No that's only what Hickman believes. Meanwhile for the MCU it's more like adaptations in name only..
>>153252042Bold claim, how can you back it up?
>>153251808It'd be better if Jack was still a Chad and not a buttersoft bitch.
