You know what I just realised? All of Jonas' children represent what he would have been like if there was something "missing" from him.>Rusty has Jonas' ability to see through the bullshit but lacks all the charisma and motivation.>Jonas Junior has the talent and charisma of Jonas Senior but does not use it mask any true nature and mostly seems genuine about wanting to be a boon to the world.>The Monarch lacks Jonas talent, perspective and charisma but has all his motivation and true nature.
Weird simplification of the base concept that children take after their parents.
>>153240923This highlights that Jonas deserved his fate and far FAR worse than that.He was talented human garbage, we should be thanking Rusty for ruining his legacy.He probably would have been best pals with a lot of Epstien like figures, if you gave him enough time to fall into his own degeneracy.
>>153240993wouldn't it be "over-complication", not simplification?
>>153241191I guess
>>153240993Eh, i mean the series is literally about the imperfections and missing pieces of cloning so it's apt
Wait is the monarch confirmed to be a Venture too? Was that in the movie?
>>153242480Yeah, in the movie, they reveal that he's a clone of the original Rusty who, like Dean and Hank, died on an adventure. Monarch was given to Blue Morpho and his wife (with a small addition of baboon dna to make him not go bald) because they wanted a child of their own.
>>153242577This pretty much makes Rusty and Monarch their own Dean and Hank, because the kids take over their father and uncle traits instead of their mother who was rule63 epstein.
>>153242649Is this true?
>>153240923Jonas Sr. was not a good man. The man was evil, anything else is a delusion.
>>153242649the real venture brothers were the clones we made along the way
>>153242728Here we go
>>153241146>Best pals with a lot of Epstein like figuresThis isn't even speculation, did you see the scene with the keychain party? Col. Gentleman alone is a Diddy/Epstein tier motherfucker.
>>153242728>The man was evil, anything else is a delusion.are we now forgetting what rodney did now?
>>153240923...How did Rusty consume Jonas Venture in the womb if they are both clones?
>>153240923>>Jonas Junior has the talent and charisma of Jonas Senior but does not use it mask any true nature and mostly seems genuine about wanting to be a boon to the world.More importantly he lacks all of the physicality of his tall, handsome, strong father.
>>153240923The monarch is considerably more charismatic than rusty, and almost all of Rusty's character is being obsessed with bullshit. Rusty isn't some bitter realist, he's a silver spoon sour grapes shitty nepo baby.
>>153243983Hank and Dean grew in an artificial womb, not too crazy of a stretch that Rusty and JJ did too.
>>153244553The one missing piece of the reveal of Hank and Dean's origins in the movie, in my opinion, is that we don't actually learn why Rusty wanted children of his own bad enough to do this. Him finally having sex and getting stuck alone with the end results seemed a lot more apt. It'd be one thing if the aftermath of getting shut out of Nikki's life after getting her pregnant left him longing for fatherhood, but with Dermott's age and the boys missing a few years from cloning delays, the timeline doesn't add up in that regard. The original boys would've already been toddlers by the time he fucked Nikki.
>>153245105Rusty's sex diaries don't make a whole lot of sense; he says he didn't lose his virginity until he was 24 (implicitly after he left college in 1987) but he also apparently genuinely told Dr Quymn that it had been 19 years and change, which doesn't work for Dermott but does kind of work for Myra (who he also definitely said he'd had sex with); he's supposedly in his early 40s at that point which somewhat implies he had sex one time, or with one person in a relationship when he was 24>>153243983Ben mentioned the problem of "fetiform teratoma" when examining Dean, which irl is a kind of tumor resembling a fetus (portions of tumors often resemble structures found elsewhere in the body, due to misfiring genes in the cancerous cells); so the problem of JJ was at least known to Ben and presumably to Jonas Sr; Jonas also mentions getting the cloning program up and running again when he's trying to break out of the PROBLEM, but doesn't know who Hank and Dean are (he calls them Boys Brigade but shows no awareness of any relation despite having hooked into the VenTech systems), which suggests the cloning program was shut down when he was still alive, potentially over the problems they couldn't iron out
>>153242728Comparatively, Brock and probably Rusty too are more evil than what we see Jonas do. Brock murders tons of people for no good reason, where Jonas 'pulls his punches' against villains like Scaramantula. Team Venture in general kills lots of people, but what we see of that it doesn't appear to be Jonas's intention typically; mostly it's Action Man being a psycho.Basically, if Jonas is evil then so is Brock, Rusty, and everyone else in the cast. Even Hank and Dean get a bunch of people killed.
