This is the single biggest mistake in the entirety of ATLA, and does not belong in Iroh's mouth. The idea that a teenage girl is so irredeemable that she is to be completely forsaken while so many other characters change and redeem themselves throughout the series is ridiculous.
>>153263666Boohoo simp
AzulaIsEVIL
>>153263666>later that season zuko tries to get along with azula and betrays the heroes>azula then seduces i mean blackmails zuko>zuko breaks off from azula and once again helps the heroes >returns to iroh in tears
>>153263666To be fair I think for Azula.to get a chance of being redeemed, she needs to be toroughly defeated, much like Zuko she has too much pride to stop coping no matter her circumstances
>>153263666>The idea that a teenage girl is so irredeemable She's legit batshit insane and needs to be put down
>>153263737No, she a victim of poor parenting, but could still be taught to be better than she is.
>>153263666Iroh used to run a genocide campaign.I think he knows evil when he sees it.
>>153263666Iroh is literally brothers with the heartless bastard that is Ozai I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about when he says Azula needs to be taken down.
>>153263666Reminder that at the end of season 1 Iroh convinced a teenage girl to take her own life so that everyone else could be happy.
>>153263772>she a victim of poor parenting Poor parenting doesn't give you psychotic visions
>NOOOOO ZUKO YOU HAVE TO KILL AZULA ITS THE ONLY WAY>AZULA IS AN INSANE IRREDEEMABLE MONSTER THAT MUST BE PUT DOWN>SURE I MAYBE DONE A GENOCIDE OR TWO WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND MELLOWED OUT>BUT AZULA HAS...UH...>BEEN KINDA MEAN TO HER FRIENDS AND SCARY AND STUFF I GUESS>SHUTUP AND JUST KILL HER OKAY
>>153263666The only problem is that Zuko misunderstood Iroh. He thought he meant that Azula was insane and needed to be stopped, when all his dear uncle meant was that Azula is into incest and therefore needs to go down on her brother.
Its less that he thinks she's utterly irredeemable and more that she's incredibly dangerous and neither of them were in any position to even begin sorting out that mess in the middle of a war.
>>153264040Azula's psychotic breakdown was triggered by paranoia, stress, and anxiety from the combination of her upcoming promotion to Fire Lord while Mei and Ty Lee betray her. The two betraying her disrupts her entire worldview of how to influence others, which is something she would have developed in her younger years through her experiences as a child. Unlike Zuko, Azula was taught through the stick, and the lessons she learned by having those methods imposed on her is what got her to think fear and intimidation are what she needs to lead and rule over others.
>>153263666We're so used to shows like this not being allowed to say 'kill' that we're putting words in Iroh's mouthhe genuinely meant that she needs to be taken down a peg or sixteen. Her father is a psycho who is making her his next godking successor. He himself was a psycho raised by his grandfather. The cycle has to stop, and it won't stop by 'trying to get along' any more than it would with any dictator.>>153263772she's a grown woman.. it's very very hard by this point.
>>153263703just now realized the fire nation is the viltrum empire.>>153264040it kinda does.
>>153264603>she's a grown woman.. it's very very hard by this point.She's not a grown woman, she's 14 at the start of book 2.
>>153264040Yes it does, especially if you were sexually abused
>>153263676fpbp, Iroh not being a simp is one of his best qualities.
>>153263666Kids are evil and restorative justice is fake
>>153263666you sound like a simp, or worse, a woman
>>153263978>>153264019>attacking a group of very straightforward, open enemies of your country, that your country has been fighting for 100 years, and who are the single greatest threat to your country's war effort and plotting to take down your father the king>attacking three open traitors, two on the direct orders of your father, the king>threatening a handful of subordinates as the crown princess of your nation>omg so heckin evil, literally worse than genocide, true insanity
>>153263666The tea shop arc would have been a better place to put surprisingly ruthless Iroh joke
How come no one ever brings up Azula's daddy issues and how everything she does is all to please her father?
>>153263666Fuck zutara, zuko should be married with azula. I mean they put lesbians on the show now, So what's wrong with one incest?
>>153263666Azula is more fun when she's evil and the story didn't make any attempt to develop her beyond that until it was too late and it always felt really forced and half baked as a result. Probably a lot of things about Iroh that make no sense or seem sketchy if you think about it too much but you shouldn't do that for a children's cartoon.
>>153264372Thank you for being sane, anon. It's not about 'redeemability,' Azula has just demonstrated that she is a clear physical threat to Zuko and he needs to be ready to defeat her. I'm sure OP understands that, this is just a ridiculous bait thread.I do see some people voice this sentiment, but anyone genuinely pushing the uwu victim Azula narrative is probably not the type to post here.
>>153264701and? She's literally the ruler of a country. She's fully grown both mentally and physically. In any setting other than the last 100-ish years in America, she would be considered an adult. And more to the point, even a subadult adolescent is still extremely hard to train in morals. Training must be done in childhood, ideally toddlerhood.
>>153265546What do you think stories are?Why do you think villains becoming good after a major trial or crawling through hell to earn their redemption is so well liked and thet become fan favorites when done well?She is unironically an evil cunt, and because of how gynocentric, because the stories are made by bad people she can never go through that trial or really see punishment. They didnt even have aang sealing azulas bending and stripping her of her royal birthright. Its a failure.She will always be the Asuka. The cunty characters bpd chicks and cucks like.
>>153263666you don't actually believe this satan, you just want (you)s
>>153264038>My gf turned into the moon recently>I was pretty bummed out about it>but I think waterbenders were happier to get the moon back than I was to lose my gf>the total happiness in the north pole increased>...that's rough buddy
>>153263772fuck off, she was born a psychopath, her father merely used that to his advantage
>>153263666He had his hands full tard wrangling Zuko for 3 years, who didn't flip until the third book. There was no way he could turn Azula.
>>153265546Are you out of your fucking mind? You are not physically grown at 14 and you're sure as fuck not mentally mature by then. You're barely even through puberty at that point. As well as her own psychosis, her body's chemistry is totally fucked with her hormones at that point.
>>153263666>she is to be completely forsakenThat's not what he says.There's just no reasoning Azula out of her current position. No connecting to her while she's high off of her daddy's twisted love and her new seat of power. She just needs to be beaten into the dirt so that she stops lashing out at people long enough to actually have to listen to them.
If the show tried to take any steps to redeem Azula there'd be just as many people complaining "she's obviously crazy, why bother?"
>>153264038Stone cold.
>>153263666Bro, there are some people who are unfortunately born with their brains crosswiredIt's called sociopathy and psychopathy
If I could make 1 minor change in the OG Avatar show I would change the last scene with Zuko and Azula in season 2 >Zuko talking about how he betrayed uncle >Azula does her regular talk about how Zuko made the right decision >Add in a pause >Azula suddenly hugs Zuko >"At the very least, I'm proud of you brother" I think they could have done a better job with Azula and Zuko. I always thought they should have had Azula have a toxic codependency with Zuko being below her, that would also prevent her from killing him
>>153263666Your teenage sister is beyond redemption said the old general who commited war crimes for his entire adult life.
>>153264733Simp for his own niece? How does that make sense?
>>153267381Sociopathy isn't something you're born with, you develop it because of circumstances in your upbringing, and can be dealt with. Psychopathy is the one where there's just something crosswired in your brain, and you just gotta live with it.Having said that, I think Azula was a sociopath. There's no hints that she was already a monster from birth, rather that her father had completely messed her up, even harder than Zuko, and when Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee turned on her it actually affected her to a deeper degree than merely losing an asset, even if she didn't want to admit it. But it could perfectly be the case that Iroh thought she was the second.
>>153263772>she a victim of poor parentingSo is Ozai but no one feels sorry for him. Azula's not going to fuck you, dude.
It is established through the flashbacks to the childhoods of Zuko and Azula that Ursa did not treat the two of them the same. When Zuko does something bad like throw a whole loaf of bread at the baby turtleduck, Zuko is met with a warm and loving response from Ursa as she points out why the momma turtleduck attacked him. When Ursa tells Zuko and Azula to go see Fire Lord Azulon, and Azula responds by asking why she doesn't just call him Grandfather as his role as Fire Lord is waning and there will likely be a different Fire Lord soon (he's getting quite old by this point), Ursa responds with a visibly upset face and "Young Lady, not another word". That's a threat. Then she mutters to herself "What is wrong with that child?" after Azula runs by, as if 8 year old kids don't say insensitive things as they start learning about major things like the inherent mortality of life. Maybe what's wrong with that child is that you didn't teach her how to avoid being insensitive about such things rather than condemning her to be inherently problematic, Ursa.Remember when Ozai suggested to Azulon that Iroh should no longer be first in line to inherit the throne because he has no son to pass the throne to anymore, and Azulon responded by saying Ozai should sacrifice his son for daring to say such a thing? Azula overhears all of this and mentions it to Zuko, who doesn't want to believe her, and Ursa overhears part of this conversation and asks what Azula said. She responds just "I don't know" and then gets dragged out of the room by Ursa the way you would when scolding or punishing someone. All Ursa had heard of the conversation was "Father wouldn't do that", that was enough for her to assume Azula was up to no good and punish her. Maybe if she didn't didn't punish Azula so much, she'd be willing to actually answer the question.
>>153263666That franchise died the second Aaron Ehasz left.Bryan and Michael made nothing of worth, everything we love about the franchise came from Aaron.
>>153263666Azula was crazy, and did need to be taken down. Your wah-wah I-can-fix-her bullshit has nothing whatsoever to do with it, she was an active threat and there was zero chance of talking her around.
>>153268331This is the kind of tumblr psychoanalysis nonsense i can get behind. Fuck Ursa.
>>153263666No Satan. At that point she was objectively crazy and indeed needed to go down.
>>153263666>The idea that a teenage girl is so irredeemable that she is to be completely forsakenShe wasn't completely forsaken though. Zuko clearly had her committed and tried to get her help. They needed to remove her from the Fire Nation power structure to do anything about it.
>>153268331There's a difference between naive act toward a duck and conscious indifference toward an important family member's imminent death. That said, yes Ursa was a shit mom and did favor Zuko. She despised Ozai who favored Azula and she saw a lot of him in her daughter.
>>153263666Had nothing to do with her being redeemed. She was an active major danger that needed to be stopped.
>>153263666he said "go down" not "kill" its an important detail.and its exactly what happens.
>>153263666>The idea that a teenage girl ATLA unironically works much better if you age everyone 4 years from their canon age, so well in fact it's my headcanon. It makes azula and katara 18, zuko and sokka 20, aang and toph 16, etc.
>>153268324There's a big difference between Ozai and Azula. Ozai is ambitious and hungry for power. When things look like he will imminently succeed at conquering the whole world, he prepares himself to be crowned as "Phoenix King", which is some hilarious chuuni shit. He tried to convince his father to change the heir to the throne so Iroh would no longer be the new Fire Lord when Azulon dies. This guy is mad with the desire for power.Azula, on the other hand, has never done anything throughout all of ATLA for the sake of having more power. All the things she does in the Earth Kingdom and to the Avatar crew are in service to her country's war efforts, because she knows that's what her father wants.Look at what happens just before Aang is killed. Azula has control of Ba Sing Sae, the Earth generals are disposed of, the King has disappeared, Azula has the elite Dai Lee warriors under her direct command, she has Zuko and Iroh in her clutches, and what does she do? She gives Zuko a free and honest choice to help her deal with the Avatar and return to their people a hero or to be a traitor like Iroh and help the Avatar. After she gives him this offer, she just walks out of the room. He's under no pressure to choose one or the other. He doesn't even have to choose one, he could simply grab Iroh and run, going back into hiding again.What does Azula gain by letting Zuko have this choice? She doesn't need his help in the fight, she and the Dai Lee warriors at her back can easily handle the fight. When they win, the prestige for success gets split between the two of them, and Zuko gets brought back and becomes crown prince again, meaning she's just given up her position as first in line to the throne. What she gets is her brother returning to the family, again. She gives up a position of power for family. Meanwhile, Ozai gives up family (leaving Azula behind to distract the Avatar on a day firebenders are powerless) for power (conquering the world).
>>153263737>>153263772>She's legit batshit insane and needs to be put down>No, she a victim of poor parenting,Two things can be true
>>153268357This is true, but Dragon Prince is proof that Ehasz benefited greatly from Brike's involvement as well. They complemented each other perfectly, and shit will never be the same without the dream team.
>>153268137Anon someone can be enough of a piece of shit that even being related to you isn't a good enough reason to make excuses for them
>>153263666Iroh was just being realistic and honestly I think it’s a good lesson to put in a kids cartoon. Some people really aren’t as capable of redemption than others and that’s not a good fact but it is a fact. Don’t let people take advantage of your kindness.
>>153263666Didn't the wroter himself regret having Iroh word it this way? Like it was a joke, but he realized it came at the expense of Iroh's characterization.
>>153263666It was because he needed Zuko sharp when he fought her. If Zuko went in with the mindset she could be redeemed then Azula could use emotional manipulation when she was losing to cause Zuko to drop his guard. Iroh needed Zuko going in with the conviction to defeat his family. That was the only way to safeguard him against last minute appeals to emotion.
Hey, remember when Iroh made a huge deal about Zuko having warring good and evil inside of him and that it is his destiny to join up with the Avatar and help restore balance by ending the war because Zuko's maternal grandfather was Avatar Roku?Azula has the same grandparents, you twat.
>>153263666She didn't want to be saved
>>153269455Remember when Iroh saw that Zuko made an outburst in the Fire Lord's war room because he didn't like the idea of sending recruits to die as a distraction? And then at the Agni Kaw saw Azula smiling with her first raised as Zuko, her own brother, got his face lit up?Azula never showed any sign of having a warring good and evil side.
>>153269783>Azula never showed any sign of having a warring good and evil side.Because she wasn't shown the same love Zuko was shown when she was being raised.
>>153263666>psychopath>never tries to murder anyone who is not an enemy or a traitor>conquers Ba Sing Se the most bloodless and efficient way possible, unlike Iroh>helps Zuko return to the fire nation, despite being next in line to the throne as older brotherApparently, being a bitch and going against the protagonist makes you worse than satan.
>>153263772>>153263666Azula's not gonna date you dude
did she do anything worse than iroh? legitimate question
>>153263772Poor parenting doesn't excuse being a psychopath. We don't excuse people from committing crimes just because they had a bad upbringing.It's not like they were planning on killing her anyways.
>>153268324Ozai isn’t a cute girl. Also he’s an adult and therefore responsible for his behavior.
It all comes down to Iroh seeing Zuko as a replacement of his son. Had Azula been a boy, I think Iroh would not have written her off like he did.
>>153270429Show examples of her being a psychopath.
>>153263666This narrative people are putting on Iroh is the dumbest thing in the fandom. You've finally dethroned Zutara.Iroh is compassionate and willing to forgive, but he's also practical. Zuko implies that Iroh's always been trying to get the two of them to get along, but now Azula isn't just playfully antagonizing him. She's trying to kill them.Remember when the kids broke that window, and at first he says that owning up to a mistake is the honorable thing to do, then changes his tune when it's clear the owner of the house is about to be inconsolably violent towards them.You can't always reason and talk your way out of that, and he knows that. To suggest otherwise would just be putting them in even more danger.Zuko and Iroh have nothing. Knowing that she's hunting them down means that she could show up at any point if they're not lucky enough to find her while she's distracted by Aang again.I think Zuko agrees since he only starts trying to reach her after he's in a position of power.
>>153270378Depends on what you put weight in. As far as we are aware of Iroh, he never tried to fuck over and forcefully coerce his own crew like Azula did. We also know Iroh showed mercy to one of the last dragons even during his War General days. Other than that we just don't know much about what else Iroh got up to outside the Seige.
>>153270851>he never tried to fuck over and forcefully coerce his own crew like Azula did.Iroh may not have done the same thing, but Zuko did. And Zuko was arguably worse because his means were less effective and he was willing to go violence and fight the captain of the ship to do what Zuko wanted (Iroh interrupted this), where Azula got her captain do to so without any violence.
>>153263666You're the type that tries to bond with the kid through guns before they go shoot up a school.
>>153270888I was partly referring to Ty Lee as well where she basically fucked with her home life to convince her to come along. Plus Zuko and his crew were basically in exile and I don't remember him threatening to outright kill the guy like Azula was insinuating.
>>153268331Azula literally says, "My own mother thought I was a monster. She was right of course but it still hurt."
>>153263666I think it helps with Iroh not being perfect and Zuko then realizing on his own that he should support Azula's recovery.
>>153263666you are what's wrong with society. this is the single best line in the entire show
>>153265037Based and true.
>>153268381>objectively crazyExcept she was perfectly sane.
>>153263666Mercy comes at the risk of extreme cost. If it didn't, then it would always be the obvious choice and there wouldn't even be a word for it. If you totally disarm someone's ability to hurt you and then make the decision to spare them when you're under no obligation to do so, that's mercy. If a monkey is attacking you with a screwdriver and you're too busy trying to talk sense into it to properly protect yourself, that's just stupidity. It doesn't matter if the monkey is a victim of socioeconomic factors. Shoot the monkey. The monkey stabbing victims you sacrifice at the altar of your imagined moral superiority wouldn't be relieved to know how many monkeys you saved by not meeting a lethal threat with the appropriate force. Mercy should be distributed with careful judgement.
>>153270977That doesn't work when Iroh is literally currently helping one such stabbing monkey as he was literally trying to stab Jesus.
Zuko should have ignored Iroh and just sexed his sister into submission.
>>153270958Carving up your own hair in a manic frenzy, hallucinating your mom talking to you, and challenging anyone who so much as sneezes around her to (Not) Mortal Kombat (or barring that imprisonment) is not sane behavior.
>>153271019That happened months later and was a stress induced breakdown due to ascending to the throne while being rejected by her dad and betrayed by her friends, watch the fucking show. When Iroh said that line, Azula was perfectly sane.Also Zuko is the one who challenged her to an Agni Kai, she didn't challenge anyone, just banished people.
>>153270924>She was right of courseThat's called internalizing.
>>153271019>to (Not) Mortal KombatAgni Kais are honor duel that end at the first burn / first blood.
>>153263666This is just more "le female villain is actually put upon by the narrative because... she just is, okay?!" revisionism that same that people do for VriskaThis moment is great because it shows that Iroh isn't just a coward peddling pacifism because it's what makes him feel morally correct. He recognizes just as much as anyone else that force can be equally necessary towards enacting justice as peace, his philosophy isn't giving infinite second chances to people that have shown themselves as violent and ruthless. This is like calling Iroh a hypocrite for threatening Admiral Zhao at the north pole instead of trying to father him as well when he was literally about to throw the entire balance of the world off course by killing the moon spirit.Keep in mind the only reason Iroh is able to be as close to Zuko as he is, is because Zuko's father both beat him and then banished him from his own nation indefinitely. If we see the relationship between Iroh and the Fire Nation as basically an ex-cult member realising how batshit insane the inner circle he's dedicated his entire life to is, Zuko being harmed and then banished is basically Iroh's best chance to get another member to see the truth, and even then it takes a LONG TIME for Zuko to realize how poorly he was treated. If it was Azula that went through that, there is no reason Iroh wouldn't have used that opportunity to try and help her like he did to Zuko, but you can't ask him to do that when Azula was at the very center of the cult brainwashing with no reason to believe she was being groomed.
>>153270914In book 1 where Zuko is on a fire nation ship with a bunch of crew is where Zuko threatens his ship's captain for not wanting to sail into a storm, then is about to start Agni Kai against him.
>>153271089>This moment is great because it shows that Iroh isn't just a coward peddling pacifism because it's what makes him feel morally correct.Except we know from the head writer himself that's not what the scene meant and Iroh was meant to be wrong and Zuko was meant to correct that in the future.
>My own mother thought I was a monster>...She was right, of course.Does being aware of the fact she's a sociopath circle back around to her having a chance of being redeemed? Are sociopaths usually aware and accepting of how fucked up they are?
>>153271127Sociopathy isn't a thing, it's a pop psychology term and thus mean nothing and is worthless, especially when applied to fictional characters, especially when they're making a joke to deflect from the fact their mom's opinion hurt their feelings.
Azula is crazy. She did a lot of stuff that a sane person wouldn't.>literally smiled while her brother was being burned alive by their father>manipulates her "friends" through fear>as a kid, she joked about her grandfather and brother dying like it was nothing >she didn't flinch at all when her father was being punished by her grandfather, again she was smiling while that was happening>endangered Ty Lee's life and passion to recruit her and for entertainment purposes>manipulated Mai enough where she didn't go through trading her kid brother's safety>has no idea how to interact with others without using fear>shot her uncle without a second moment of hesitation>went off the deep end and had hallucinationsThere was probably a couple of stuff I missed but its a general idea.inb4:>b-but she wasn't shown the same love as Zuko did!True, but she did solely have her father's attention at the very least. Not saying Ozai is a good father by any means, but she had her father's approval while he straight up disliked Zuko. Heck, even Iroh showed some affection for Azula (the doll he sent her when she was a kid) but she burned that up right in front of her mom and brother.Azula is still hot though, that enough is true.
>>153271105Can you link to this?
>>153271179>No sane person would do *insert basic bitch bad guy stuff that everyone in the fire nation and even non-fire nation does, including guys like Jet who became good guys or even Zuko himself*Cringe
>>153271182Don't have the full link but here's a screenshot of part of the thread
>>153271105A character can be wrong about what he thinks will happen in the future and still be ideologically consistent. The question isn't "Does Zuko need to KILL Azula?" And Iroh is wrong because Zuko didn't do that, the question is "How can Iroh once have been a loyal general to the Fire nation, and Zuko the crown prince of the fire nation, but Iroh then arbitrarily decides Azula is irredeemable and doesn't deserve a second chance when he's spent so much time and care guiding Zuko out of that very same mindset? Why is Zuko worth the effort but not Azula?" And the answer is that it isn't that Azula is just arbitrarily and evil scheming mustache twirling villain whereas Zuko has moral greyness to his character, Azula does have many sympathetic aspects to her character, but the circumstances between the two characters are so different that Iroh would have been a fool to think the situation could have been approached with hugs and tea. Just like how he was willing to fight Admiral Zhao to keep the world in balance, he knew Zuko HAD to fight Azula to keep the world in balance on the day of Sozin's comet.And I don't know how it can be said Iroh is even literally wrong here, either. Zuko didn't kill Azula obviously but he did literally bring her down. She's dethroned and sent to a mental ward or something, a far cry from the same care Iroh gave to Zuko. At THAT point you could say "okay now howcome Iroh doesn't give Azula the same guiding treatment" but at the point of those screenshots from OP Iroh is 100% in the right, if Azula wasn't taken down the whole world could have suffered.
>153271206>no rebuttable, instead completely ignores my post while not even denying all the stuff i saidWho are you quoting? It doesn't even deserve a (you) from me.
>>153271234>Who are you quoting?You>I don't even have the capacity to begin to cope with how hard you annihilated my nonsense so I'll just piss myself and whine while keeping my eyes on the ground and not daring to actually reply to youThat's a good retard who'll shut the fuck up now.
>>153271222>longer and far more complicated than Zuko's.Yeah, I'm calling bull on that. Zuko's redemption arc started early in season 2 and ended half way through season 3. You don't just "oops" your way into not giving a character an entire multi-season long arc when you know how long the show will last, and where it needs to end.
>>153271234Except he didn't ignore your post and not only denied but proved your claim that only someone crazy would do that completely wrong?This 'Anyone who has ever done something bad is insane' point you made is so retarded, it's insane.
>>153271226Remember that Ozai basically handed Zuko to Iroh on a silver platter as a ward for moral guidance, and even then Zuko went against Iroh multiple times and it took 3 seasons for him to fully come around to his way. Pretending that Iroh could have used some funny old man charm on Azula and had the same effect without at some point just being sent to life in prison and never spoken to by any of his family again is just silly.
>>153271274>Yeah, I'm calling bull on that.Which is worthless>You don't just "oops" your way into not giving a character an entire multi-season long arcWhich is not what he said happened, he didn't 'oops' not done it, it just didn't happen because the show didn't get more seasons and her arc was always planned after Ozai's defeat.
>153271271>still quoting no in particular in this thread>instead makes up a completely off-topic schizo replyI really hope you aren't OP. You give Azulafags a bad name by acting this stupid. Just so you know I actually feel bad for you who can't make an actual argument for a character you want to defend.Thanks for the (you)s however.
>>153271335>I-i-it wasn't me!!!!!!!>Proving me wrong is schizo!!!!>I hope you're not that other guy who curbstomped me!!!! Proving me wrong is bad look!!!!>I-i-i-i was only pretending to be retarded for attention! This isn't reddit, (you)s don't work like Karma and all you're doing is showing you're a bitch who's praying whoever he's mad at won't notice that seething reply and forget to laugh at you for it.
>>153271335Nobody feels bad for your ass getting beaten into the ground, lmao.It's obvious you're the one being quoted and you're the one who dropped your argument entire.Nobody sane would do what you're doing right now.
>>153263666Iroh meant Azula should go down on Zuko's dick
>>153263666Partially agree in that all Iroh needed to wisely point out with a sad shrug is that Zuko solving Azula's problems would be no different than himself with Ozai.Maybe they could, may they couldn't, all that matters is if he's ready for the latter if the former doesn't happen. Zuko can take from that what he wants while Iroh still vents his frustrations without suggesting too much.
>>153263978>>153264047Prove to me that Iroh was treating the Geneva Conventions as a checklist during his time as a general.The worst we know about is making a dark joke about Ba Sing Se potentially burning down before he was through with it. And...>Fire NationYeah, I think cities they conquered burned down pretty often even when they don't set out to do it.
>>153271974Based
>>153263666>The idea that a teenage girl is so irredeemable that she is to be completely forsaken while so many other characters change and redeem themselves throughout the series is ridiculous.No it isn't. Iroh knew that Zuko could be redeemed because he spent enough time around Zuko to see the honor and nobility under the aggression that had been literally burned into him by his father. Iroh also knew the circumstances that led to his Agni Kai and banishment in the first place. Azula was not a good person raised wrong, she was intrinsically a bad person and openly admitted as much. Iroh also did not consider his brother worthy or capable of salvation, and only refrained from killing him due to uncertainty of his own ability and because, even if he succeeded, it would turn Ozai into a martyr for fire nation ethnic nationalism, which Iroh was looking for a way to resolve. When Aang defeated the Fire Lord without killing him, the point was not that Aang thought Ozai deserved to live, but to prove to the other avatars and himself that he didn't have to kill to save people.
>>153268840>What does Azula gain by letting Zuko have this choice?The thrill of making him do what she wants, and if he refuses, an excuse to execute him. You don't understand Azula.
>>153271206Zuko got burned and exiled specifically because he stood up for no name fire nation conscripts and then expected his own father to show mercy.
>>153275009She didn't need an excuse to execute him, he was an established traitor by that point, it was the whole reason Azula was sent out in the first place.
Zutara shippers are partly responsible for why The Legend of Korra's had issues, they directly influenced a part of that show to its detriment.Meanwhile Azula fans are responsible for the cancerous destruction of the online fandom. There is one Azula fan so mental that many people know their name because of their infamy across multiple websites. The simple fact is, you have to have villains, not everyone can be redeemed, she was a cool villain, we can't explore every facet of her being. But oh no, they connected to the character and they think that saying she is evil is somehow a treatise on the inherence of evil and therefore they are making absolutist objectivist statements. It has sperged out into almost two decades of angry posts on the subject.For me this says a lot less about the actual show and a lot more about the attitude of fandoms and why even the word "fandom" disgusts me.
>>153275119It feels better to kill your brother when he refuses to do what you command rather than kill him because daddy said to. Plus if Zuko actually did follow through with what Azula asked (which is what ended up happening), Azula sparing him and bringing him own would be a bratty act of insubordination.
>>153275132Plus, frankly, to suggest that Azula is just a broken sad girl using villainy as a coping mechanism is to suggest that the character is much more lame. She's compelling BECAUSE she's a total piece of shit. If you could fix her, she would be BORING. It's like asking for fucking Frieza to apologize and try to redeem himself.
>>153275179In comics, Magneto began as mutant Hitler and Claremont retconned him into being a Holocaust survivor, which added a different paradigm to his villainy. This was very popular so became a trope in itself, the villain needing this to add "depth" to their motivation.The whole:>AND YOU GET A REDEMPTION ARC, AND YOU GET A REDEMPTION ARC!Would simply undercut Zuko's arc. Not everyone can be done in the same way. We don't have infinite time to develop everyone and neither can we develop everyone in the same way.>She's compelling BECAUSE she's a total piece of shit. If you could fix her, she would be BORING.Exactly, some people are compelling even in their psychotic villainy. The people that empathise with her feel like her lack of a redemption arc is some how criticising them. You are perfectly fine in liking a fictional villain, there is no thought police here, her morality or lack of it isn't a reflection on you. Redemption arcs don't always automatically add "depth" either. She hasn't been on that journey. Heck, we can go further and just act dumb too: Ozai didn't start the war, his grandfather did. He was brought up in a nation that was already at war, he was just carrying it on. Doesn't he deserve redemption? Wasn't he just repeating what he had been taught by his parents? I guess he is an adult so responsibility counts whilst Azula is a child but still, we could just shit talk everything the same way. The arguments for redeeming Azula are all based on people feeling attacked because they don't like the idea that their favourite is being called inherently evil.
>>153275119It’s very rewarding to use power to put people in a position where they “bring it on themselves” what you were going to do to them anyway, because feeling like you are in control because you make better choices is extremely addicting compared to just having control.
>>153275132>>153275340Shut the fuck up faggot
>>153275051Exactly so it was the normal expected behavior in the fire nation, not insanity.
>>153270835>>153275132Zutara is kino though
>>153275179>>153275340How does it feel to have a really retarded headcanon about how a character was written and why they're 'compelling' when the guy who wrote her already publicly stated you're retarded?>Muh OzaiYou mean the guy that Zuko directly say 'Maybe one day you'll be a better person'? Oh wait, that would require watching the show instead of masturbating to shitty fanfics and edgelord discourse.
>>153275463multiple people wrote Azula, one writers opinion doesn’t have more weight than theirs.
>>153264701No contradiction detected here, not when she's leading military operations.
>>153275179>she's a total piece of shit.Except she wasn't, watch the show.>It's like asking for fucking Frieza Oh yes, the guy who committed genocide and was offered redemption multiple anyway. Totally comparable with the character with a kill count of 0.
>>153275429Following obviously evil and unfair rules for personal gain makes you a bad person actually.
>>153275485>The head writer's opinion that made it into entire episodes doesn't matter more than the hypothetical opinions of his underlings, which I don't even haveLmao. You're such a retard
>>153275520azula redemption never ever, lol
>>153275509>Bad guy is a bad guy!It's gonna blow your mind but you can't be a bad person without being insane. Words have meanings. Stop speaking like a woman.
>>153275463>when the guy who wrote her Which one? Because the ones that went on to make Korra clearly had no fucking idea what they were doing.>>153275503>Except she wasn't, Yes she was, and was very open about it. >the guy who committed genocide and was offered redemption multiple anyway. Frieza was never offered redemption. He was brought back to life once by his own lackeys and once as a desperate measure to save the universe. He continues to exist entirely because Goku is selfish and accepts Frieza's continued existence as an existential threat as a challenge for him to overcome. Also Azula was perfectly fine with the total extermination of an entire nation which she herself had just ruled over briefly less than a year earlier, and was actively holding down the fort while her dad went to do that when she was beaten by Zuko and Katara.
>>153275540Here, angry little retard: >>153271222
>>153275546I didn't say she was crazy, I said she was fundamentally evil. Though she was certainly also emotionally unstable.
>>153275463>>153275520So here are the fallacies you're making:>1. Appeal to a single creatorAvatar was made by multiple people, appealing to one opinion is not a good course of action.>2. Failing to understand context.You're talking about a single person talking on Twitter years after the show was made. A person who has had:>Years of Azula fans talking to him about it.So do you think his comments from his Twitter are free and unbiased? Do you think they reflect majority opinion? Or do you think they have any hindsight or regret, based on the singular minded people criticising him? Where would this arc have fit? Don't act as though a single person's vague Twitter hindsight comments dismiss any of these arguments.>The head writer's opinionI mean he didn't create the show. If you want to use this argument of appeal to authority.
>>153275569Good thing Aaron Ehasz was fired and Azula will never be accepted by the Fire Nation and die an outcast
>>153275562>Which one?The headwriter.>>153275562>Yes she was, and was very open about it.Nope, there's an entire episode saying you're wrong, go watch the show.>Frieza was never offered redemption.Goku on Namek.Goku on Earth in ROFEveryone at the end of the TOP.Goku in the Super Hero manga adaptation.So you didn't watch ATLA AND you didn't watch DB, so you're purely talking about shit you didn't watch.>Azula was fine with something everyone else, including Zuko, was fine with for more than a centurySo she's the same as any bad guy in the show, big whoop.
>>153275594>Having to write fanfiction about the dude who was head writer down to the very last episode to copeWho's an angry little retard? It's you!
how do azulafags defend the way she recruited Ty Lee? The daughter of the fire lord surely had some way of getting her friend to go on some missions with her that didn’t involve trying to kill her. She couldn’t appeal to her patriotism, ending the war so soldiers don’t need to die? Protecting Mai? Nothing?
>>153275622Head writer isn’t showrunner, which is why Azula wasn’t forgiven by anyone and her own teammates abandon and hate her, lol
>>153275593>So I don't have an argument so here's a list of buzzword to cope.>Appealing to the guy in charge doesn't count, please ignore I have nobody contradict me, you're talking about someone who matters and prove me wrong.>Failing to leave any hope for my cope, you're talking about someone who actually matters unlike me and my fanfic so I can only cry when he says I'm wrong and you point it out.I will use that proof you're wrong, yes.
>>153275649Its not really defending all her evil actions to say she’s 14 in a evil situation and people can change. I like evil Azula more honestly because it’s fun but cmon
>>153275664>B-b-but the showrunners!!!I'm sure you'll have statement from those showrunners contradicted the head writer then? (You don't cause you're a retard and wrong, your fanfic sucks).
>>153263676fpbp
>>153275688Yeah it’s all the comics where everyone hates, is afraid of, abandons, and never forgives Azula
>>153275604>The headwriter.Give a name>there's an entire episode saying you're wrongNo there isn't. The beach episode is mostly about how Azula is a terrible friend.>Goku on Namek.He was offered mercy, not redemption. When Goku offered it, Frieza IMMEDIATELY betrayed him, and Goku went for the killing blow. Frieza then survived because Goku underestimated his durability, it wasn't intentional>Goku on Earth in ROFFrieza is brought back by his minions. He blows up the earth when Vegeta kicks his shit in, Whis rewinds time, and Goku kills Frieza before he can blow up the planet.>Everyone at the end of the TOP.Killing him at that time would have been against the rules and would have put reality itself at risk.>Goku in the Super Hero manga adaptation.Wouldn't know, nobody has ever read the super manga>Azula was fine with something everyone else, including Zuko, was fine with for more than a centuryWrong. The plan was always to conquer the earth nation. Ozai came up with the idea of outright exterminating the whole nation during Sozin's comet all on his own, and sprung it on his subordinates like a month earlier. Hearing the plan was Zuko's primary reason for betraying the fire nation.
>>153275709>Fuck, I don'tGlad you could admit it.
>>153275724Their word holds more weight than fired hack Ehasz, sorry your fanfic isn’t canon. Ty Lee isn’t a lesbian, she actually hates Azula, lol
>>153271974this
>>153275721>I-i-i don't know about ATLA, spoonfeed me!No, go google it.>The beach episode doesn't count because it proves me wrong, stop it!!!!Lol, lmao.>Goku just expected Freeza to keep genociding people after being sparedSo you indeed didn't watch DBZ>Please, don't mention Goku giving Freeza a change before getting shot from behindSo you didn't watch ROF>Not bringing him back to life after the TOP was over was against the TOP's rules!So you didn't watch the TOP.>I don't know what I'm talking about but so does everyone!No, you're the only who has no clue.>You are right but if I say 'wrong', it'll do something!The writers and the episodes disagree with you on that.
>>153275747Their words you don't have and that probably agree with him, yes.>N-n-no u!!!!I hit a nerve and it shows.
>>153275604>>153275780in the episode shes the one who came up with the idea of burning the earth kingdom’s hope, the war began in the first place because Sozin wanted to enrich the other nations.
>>153275574>I didn't say she was crazy,Yes, you did here >>153271179You backpedaling faggot.
>>153275668Anon, you're incredibly mad and doing nothing to dodge the accusations about how Azula redemption fans act. He wrote that shit on Twitter in 2019. 11 years after the show had ended; 11 years of Azula fans bringing it up to him. But guess what? It never happened. We can only take the show how we go it, not some fanfic ramblings from the Azula redemption fans, not some pre-pre-production concepts of stuff that didn't happen, from someone who wrote the show but was one part of it and didn't create it but has had fans constantly bring up Azula's redemption for 11 years (Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko created the show by the way). Just saying, acting like the head writer Aaron Ehasz bringing up some concept he had 11 years later as PROOF Azula redemption fans are right is pretty meaningless stuff. At this point though, I suspect you're just baiting because you seem incredibly mad, but Azula redemption fans are so mental it is hard to tell. I even like Azula, I just think you're obsessive retards. You helped ruined the franchise by the way, congratulations.
>>153275791no, the comics that they personally sign off on and are used in material like the the movie that just came out. Where everyone hates azula like they always did.
>>153275803Sozin literally committed genocide as his very first act that began the war, you retard, what does it enrich?
>>153275463>really retarded headcanonThe only canon is that Azula is evil, as per the original cartoon. Glad we could clear that up.
>>153275811>Anon, you snapped my argument in half and didn't react to my whining, that means you're mad.>THE HEAD WRITER WAS LYING!!!! YOU FORCED HIM TO SAY THAT!!!Or, get this, your shitty headcanon was never real.>You ruined my headcanon for this franchise!!You're welcome, crying faggot.
>>153275822he did that to kill the avatar and prevent any more from being born, his goals were in that episode. Why are you calling me a retard for stating the factual canon reason the war happened?
>>153263676fippy bippy, OP is a fag that will die at the hands of a hot sociopath just because he thought he could fix her and all that jazz
>>153275821So not a single a word from them? Not even kinda? You were just that wrong? That's so sad.
>>153275872you’re really bad at trolling
>>153275838>The only canonHere's the dude who wrote said canon saying you couldn't understand a show for 10 year olds by the way. >>153271222
>>153275883Good thing it isn't trolling, it's just taking a victory lap around your sad 'I'm only pretending to be retarded!' cope after running out of argument.You have nothing and never will because you are wrong. Simple as.
>>153265546>In any setting other than the last 100-ish years in America, she would be considered an adulti get you fantasize about being born in the middle ages and taking a child wife, but no, fourteen was not considered 'adult' in western society prior to a hundred years ago
>>153275855>Or, get this, your shitty headcanon was never real.The only canon, anon, is what happened in the original cartoon. Your headcanon never happened. In the cartoon she was evil and got defeated.>THE HEAD WRITER WAS LYING!!!! YOU FORCED HIM TO SAY THAT!!!I never said lying or forced. I was more implying that there is some bias there, it was never mentioned before. Anyway, potential concepts are not "canon" they are headcanon, which is weirdly what you're accusing me of. They only become canon when made. There is probably a bunch of other concepts out there too that never got made that could have taken the story in different directions. BUT he only mentioned the one that has had crazy fans asking him about it for years. Funny that.
>>153275855>153275855azula being a wacky bitch who’s never redeemed and dies alone is canon, though. Thanks Korra!
>>153264733>>153275699>>153275871Samefag 10 more times, I'm sure you'll feel better then.
>>153275884Kek you're retarded. Canon is just the cartoon, not Twitter comments.>anon thinks the body of work includes Twitter comments and concepts
>>153275780You don't understand the beach episode>Goku just expected Freeza to keep genociding people after being sparedYes. Goku expresses almost no hope that Frieza would improve as a person, and reveled in the fact that Frieza's survival would force him to endure the humiliation of having been beaten by a saiyan.>Please, don't mention Goku giving Freeza a change before getting shot from behindExplicitly so that he could come back for a rematch, it was selfishness. When Goku learns that Frieza has no intention of fighting fair, he kills him.>Not bringing him back to life after the TOP was over was against the TOP's rules!Whis did that. Goku or Vegeta could have tried to fight him and kill him right there, but they were still in the presence of Zeno and the angels, which would have been a very fucking bad idea.>The writers and the episodes disagree with you on that.No they don't.Also you completely ignored how you were just objectively wrong about how Ozai's decision to exterminate the earth kingdom was something new and which Zuko outright rejected.
>>153275908Still nothing? At all? Keep panicking then.
>>153275808Not me, retard
>>153275897Okay well Azula still isn’t redeemed and never will be
The cope levels of Azula fans is insane to witness.
>>153275929no one is panicking over azula dying alone and unredeemed except you.
>MUST REDEEM SAAR
>>153275903>The only canon, anon,That was written by the guy who said word for word that you're such a retard, a show for 10 year old was too smart for you and you couldn't understand it.>You weren't supposed to see through it and call it out, it was only supposed to be implied!Cool so you're still wrong and your cope was pathetic.
Aang really should've taken away Azula's bending too. Letting a insane person remain a Firebender is like giving them a loaded gun. And Azula's not afraid to fire it.
>>153275975>Aang should risked the entire avatar cycle because an anon proved me wrong on /co/Lmao.
>>153275975Energybending is like the penance stare, it jobs to mental illness.
>>153275916>Canon is just the cartoonCartoon written by a guy who directly said you got it wrong BTW.
>>153275987you haven’t been proven right though, nothing in the show suggests azula deserves redemption.
>>153275932>Still backpedalingSure, you're just an unrelated retard who jumped in to defend him despite supposedly disagreeing.
>>153275987>Aang should risked the entire avatar cycle because an anon proved me wrong on /co/What?>>153275991He eventually got good with it.
>>153276014>you haven’t been proven right thoughI was, by the show and the writer confirming I understood the show and you didn't. Not sorry at all, it's actually hilarious.
>>153276040>the writer The fired writer who doesn’t speak for this franchise anymore? That one?
>>153276022I was refuting your post saying that Zuko did the same shit, because he explicitly didn't.
>>153276034>What?If Aang fuck up energy bending someone, his spirit get destroyed and the avatar cycle is gone, watch the fucking show, anon. Every time Aang spirit bend someone, he's risking the entire avatar cycle.
>>153276049Except you didn't refute anything and he did.>>153276047>That one?Given that he wrote down the last episode of the show, no, no clue what writer you made up in your head to cope.
>>153276053I don’t think energy bending is synonymous with being in the avatar state. The lion turtles do it without an avatar state, and Vaatu can’t do it despite his avatar state
>>153276053Yes, and energybending someone else is a clash of wills. Aang had trouble dominating over another's will, then figured it out. Azula towards the end isn't exactly a bastion of willpower.
>>153276007>>153275969You're assuming so much. He made those comments in 2019, 11 years after the end of the cartoon, he never said that shit before or mentioned it elsewhere. And guess what, people create loads of concepts for different directions the show could have gone, all of those were potential directions but we can only take the show as what actually happened. Not the what ifs. So even if we assume that is something he wanted to do, we don't know if it would have happened, and it seems strange it never happened, and was only mentioned over a decade after; after years of Azula fans being mental. But you ignore all of this to fling more insults because you're retarded. The levels of cope you have over someone saying a fictional character is evil, is honestly insane. If anything I think you are fundamentally evil, your autistic brain is completely broken and this thread is proof of that.
>>153276061the last episode of the show where Azula isn’t redeemed?
>>153275917>You don't understand the beach episodeGiven that the dude who wrote it agrees with me and not you, we'll leave it at 'I won, you lost'.>YesGood job confirming you didn't watch it as if there was any doubt because Goku says otherwise>Okay, Goku did give him a chance but it doesn't countSo I was right and you're coping.>Whis did that and nobody objected and Goku directly said it was a good idea and had made that deal to begin with but it would have been a good idea to re-kill him despite Zeno and the angels not caring because?!>No they don'tLet's ask the writer then? So they do disagree with you.>You ignored the thing you debunked, also here's another proof I didn't watch the showZuko rejected it so outright he just sat down and nodded along the plans and later said that doing so was his greatest shame.Watch either show one day.
>>153276096>Writers Michael Dante DiMartino, Bryan Konietzko and Aaron EhaszSo Aaron was fine writing the last episode where Azula was not redeemed. Funny that.
>>153276096The one where Zuko feels bad for her and their fight is framed as a tragedy with sad music. Not that you'd have seen it clearly.
>>153276116>Please please, please don't actually watch that episode and what it sets up as confirmed by the dude who wrote itYou're so mad you even dropped your 'fired' cope lmao.
>>153276080>I don’t think energy bending is synonymous with being in the avatar state.That's not what I said.>VaatuKill yourself.>>153276082So he would be risking it just cause you're mad, which is retarded and why it didn't happen.
>>153276139I'm a different anon, you retard.Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko, who created the show, have never said they wanted her to have a redemption arc.
>>153276109>we'll leave it at 'I won, you lost'.Agreed, I won, you lost, retard lol
>>153276091>You're assuming so much.I'm not. There's actually 0 assumption in anything I said, it's literally just taking his words as he said them. Meanwhile you're doing mental gymnastics and assuming absolutely deluded nonsense like 'He's lying!' and 'He was forced to say it by those evil Azula fans!' like a retard just cause you can't handle having misunderstood a show for kids.
>>153263666Azula lost get over it
>>153276178>NO U!!! *nervous fake laugh*That one really hurt you, damn.
>>153276154>So he would be risking it just cause you're mad, which is retarded and why it didn't happen.whatare you okay, anon?
>>153276163>I'm a different anon, you retard.Okay, same fag.>Muh Bryke never saidAnd they never said they didn't want her redeemed while their head writer directly said it was always the plan and they never said he was wrong.So your cope doesn't work.
>>153276182Anon, I made basic logical assumptions about how concepts work. You're acting as though, the head writer saying something years after on Twitter = definitive canon. The actual creators of the show have never said this is something they wanted to do. You're taking a single concept, which didn't happen, and ignoring the show, which did happen. Are you the schizo autist who made the petition to campaign for an Azula redemption arc in 2019 after his comments? Are you the retard who has ruined basically every Avatar discussion for the past decade? Sure feels like it. You're basing everything on a what if. What ifs could have spiraled in many different directions. Even with a fourth season, there was no guarantee this would have happened. Everything with you is an assumption built on sand.
>>153276205>If I pretend to be confused by a perfectly normal sentence, I'll look less retardedTwitter is that way.>>153276192This pic set up her redemption according to the guy who wrote the scene BTW.
>>153276215>Anon, I pulled a random assumption out of my ass to cope, you're acting as if it's not as valid as the direct word of the guy himself about his own workBecause your assumptions and mental gymnastics aren't as valid, that's just a fact.
>>153276218i'm not confused by a normal sentence, i'm confused why you're projecting some hypothetical on meyou're more intent on fighting the version of me in your head than actually talking to me
>>153276207>it was always the planHe never said always the plan. He said he always intended. Commenting over a decade after. He never said it was a concrete or definitive plan or that it was agreed with the creators. This is like a writer from some other show saying they wanted to tell x story years after. You treat it like absolute truth and don't understand how the process works.
>>153275944>People with actual evidence who are bullying me with it are the ones coping!Lol.
>>153269818She kinda was anon, her father loved her way more than her mother did. Just like how the mom loved Zuko more.
>>153276231And your situation never happened aka it is headcanon. Actual canon is different from the unmade concept from one person (not the creators) commenting a decade after. That's a fact.
>>153276241>He never said always the plan. He said he always intended.Which mean the same thing in english, ESL retard.> Commenting over a decade after. On work that was finished a decade ago. The stuff he did make was made with the intend of Azula being redeemed, that is literally what he said so reading Azula as irredeemable is objectively not what the show intended. It's that simple and require 0 assumption.
>>153276207>And they never said they didn't want her redeemedThis isn't evidence. This is the lack of evidence. Aka, you can't prove your point.
>>153276255>And your situation never happenedNo, the episodes of the show written by the headwriter very much did happen and so did his posts confirming you were wrong. You're the only one with a headcanon here and it was proven wrong, there's no way around it.>>153276254Ozai didn't love her at all, that was the point.
>>153276265>Which mean the same thing in english, ESL retard.No it isn't. HE always intended means HE wanted to do something. It being a PLAN means that it was agreed in principle by other people. There is a big difference you retard. >The stuff he did make was made with the intend of Azula being redeemedWe have no pre-production information, no scripts, no concepts, no nothing. Just a bunch of Twitter comments from one person.
>>153275132>Zutara shippers are partly responsible for why The Legend of Korra's had issues>blaming Zutards for the creators attempting and failing to grasp zutara, only for them to then listen to korrasami fags on tumblr and go full turbodyke.Fucking Retard
>>153276272>This is the lack of evidenceGlad you could admit your lack of evidence about Bryke meant nothing.>Aka, you can't prove your point.Finally some self awareness.Here's MY point being proven BTW: >>153271222While you have nothing.
>>153276277>the episodes of the show written by the headwriter very much did happenHer redemption never happened. Those episodes happened. She was never redeemed. He even wrote her as being evil and getting defeated too. But you ignore this.
>>153263666I never really understood this long standing obsession with Azula being redeemed when she never even attempted to do anything to earn it, unlike Zuko. Have people forgotten what a cautionary figure is?
>>153276296>No it isn't.Yes, it is, learn english.>Me no english so you dumbCope.>HE wanted to do somethingWhich he set up in the episodes HE wrote that were very much made, you faggot.>WeNo, YOU don't have anything, I have direct word from the guy who write the damn thing, we are not the same and you are wrong.
>>153276312>Her redemption never happenedBut it was set up in the episode he did write as he intended and like he said so your reading of the show is objectively wrong.>He even wrote her as being evilExcept he didn't, as he said and as shown by the episode where they fight being TRAGIC, with Zuko BEING SAD FOR HER.>You ignore thisI didn't ignore anything, you just don't like that you can't counter argue so you pretend I didn't fold your argument.
>>153276304You have Twitter comments. Nothing to say it was in the works, planned or the intent of the creators. And all of that is immaterial to the fact it simply never happened. My evidence? The story we got in canon. Your "evidence"? A few Twitter comments.
>>153276340>set upExcept for all the stuff implying she wasn't redeemeable and the ending we got.
>>153276353>You have Twitter commentsFrom the head writer clarifying his intent for the episodes he factually wrote.Meanwhile you have nothing at all.> The story we got in canon. Story that disagree with you, as confirmed by the dude who wrote it BTW.
>>153276361>Except for all the stuff implying she wasn't redeemeableSo nothing at all ever.>the ending we got.The one where Zuko feels sad for her, say he'll make the fire nation a kinder place and even tell Ozai that he could become a better person and be freed one day?
>>153276362Weird how the story completely agrees with me and all you have is hypotheticals from unrealised concepts.
There'll be plenty of time for rehabilitation once she's not actively committing war crimes
>>153276353>The story we got in canon. Like the final Agni Kai showdown between Zuko and Azula having sad haunting dirge music?
>>153276384>Weird how the story completely agrees with meWeird how we got confirmation from the dude who wrote it that you're wrong and it disagrees with you.>While all you have is direct confirmation I'm wrongSounds like plenty to me.>>153276390War crimes aren't a thing in ATLA.
>>153276353>The story we got in canon.Meanwhile Zuko's reaction to Azula's defeat in said story was sadness and regret.
>Noooo, don't redeem the 14 year old! It's not edgy enough for my show where the genocidal tyrant was literally told 'We'll be your friends and let you out of jail if you stop being evil one day'.This particular schizo meltdown is always a trip to witness in real time.
>>153275503>Totally comparable with the character with a kill count of 0.Eh, more like a killcount of 0.5Aang got better.
>>153276480Don't bother, anon. They don't know it happened because they didn't even watch the show.
>>153276480>>153276541>RTH
>>153276538>Eh, more like a killcount of 0.5>>Aang got better.You don't get credit for effort. Just like you don't get a nobel prize for 'attempt at a discovery in physics'.
>>153276391>>153276449>sad music and being sad means Azula is good Ozai got plenty of that. Wheres the Ozai redemption arc?
>>153276548Take your meds
>>153276563>Ozai got plenty of thatNo, he didn't.>Wheres the Ozai redemption arc?Did you miss the part where Zuko tells him he can still become a better person? Or you're just talking shit without ever having actually watched the show?
>>153276557"Attempted murder" is a real thing you can be charged with. Anyway, the ACTUAL worst thing Azula has done is come up with the idea to use the comet to nuke the Earth Kingdom.
>>153276575screenshot?
>>153276563>Ozai got plenty of that.Ozai never onced looked sad or had anyone look at him sadly, especially not after his defeat. And the music with him was always either threatening or action music. The fuck are you on about?
>>153276600>"Attempted murder" is a real thing you can be charged with.But it's not murder. You don't get credit for being a dragon slayer if you just wounded it.
For those who are slow in the head: A writer going 'This is how I meant the stuff I wrote' isn't the same as JK Rowlings going 'Wizards used to shit themselves and Dumbledore was in love with Wizard Hitler'.One clarify how existing stuff was intended, the other add new random shit.
>>153276627Tell it to the judge
>>153276646Here's it's more like "What if Avatar got cancelled before getting a third season, so Zuko was technically never redeemed but it was SO obvious that's what was going to happen if the story had gone on?".>>153276666It worked for Tahiti Bob.
>>153276563Please don't tell me your dumbass mean fucking Live Action Ozai.
>>153276646Dumbledore’s dialogue in the novels does imply he was in love with Grindelwald thoughever. And it clarifies why he died to protect Dumbles’ secret
>>153276695>Dumbledore’s dialogue in the novels does imply he was in love with Grindelwald thoughever.Anon, the books are clearer about Dumbledore's brother fucking a goat than about him loving Grindelwald, let's be honest there.
>>153276675Zuko betrayed the fire nation at least a few times, and was shown to have a moral code that was the reason he was banished in the first place. What exactly did Azula do that suggested she would be redeemed?
>>153276563>Ozai got plenty of that.>I only watched the shitty live action and want to pretend I know the actual characters. I'll do a full 180 when they inevitably redeem Azula to gain woke points
>>153276751>What exactly did Azula do that suggested she would be redeemed?Try to be normal at the beach, trying to make her friends get along during the vacation and trying to get them to a fun party, apologizing to Ty Lee for being mean, genuinely honoring her deal to bring back Zuko to their nation and handing him the throne instead of betraying him, which would have been easy with her Dai Li.Then genuinely giving advice to Zuko during his stay in the Fire Nation, refusing to torture a prisoner, not harming Ty Lee and Mai despite having them at her mercy at the Boiling Rock, accepting Zuko's Agni Kai instead of just siccing everyone on him and then melting down as Zuko sadly watches her and not resisting being sent somewhere to be taken care of while Zuko has his coronations.
>>153276563...You only watched the live action, didn't you? That's why you don't know shit about the actual show
People really love to pretend the 'she's getting help' at the end of the show wasn't already taking her out of the villain role despite literally any normal viewer concluding that.
It's pretty clear that there was something more to Azula than the coldblooded fire autist, but it's a question of what to do with that and there's no time to explore it. She clearly had affections, fears, and felt severe pain/shock when betrayed. She needed more self reflection and a place in the world more than she needed redemption. Now the easy answer is her having Zuko as a guiding light but that could be a bit problematic
>>153263666Wasn't this directly after she tried to kill him? People act like an attempt on his life should have gotten a response like "but what if she had a good reason to try to kill me? Sometimes, people deserve to be murdered!"Iroh was cool, but he was still a human with human feelings. "She tried to kill me, I think she's beyond redemption" is a fine opinion to have.
>>153263676fpbpOP wouldn't have made this post if Azula were a dude.
>>153277274>Zucest Zucest put Azula to the test
>>153277274>Now the easy answer is her having Zuko as a guiding light but that could be a bit problematicNothing problematic with a brother making his sister cum until she calms down. It's perfectly natural and wholesome.
>>153277341>4th samefagging in a row.
>>153277341Dabi exists
>>153277341If Azula was a dude, she'd be Zuko.
>>153276646>The head writer make comments in 2019, eleven years after the show ended, saying he intended for a redemption arc.>Provides no notes, comments, concepts, that would say that this was in any way planned or in-development, just something he personally wanted, that could have been made, could, not would have been made.>We have some character stuff with Azula that could be interpreted in different ways, this does not prove that it was planned either.>We have the creators saying they don't think she is inherently evil, but a product of her environment, but again, not proof of any arc, more clarification on her position as a character.>The show never had a redemption arc for her.>Ultimately we got Iroh being pragmatic saying she had to be stopped, written in part by that same writer.Ultimately her redemption isn't definitive, it is what the head writer said he wanted over a decade after the fact, but until the creators say they intended it too, or some other plans are shown, I don't think it is definitive. In many ways it could be compared to Dumbledore. There is stuff in the text that could suggest it, but it is open enough to go in a variety of different directions, and ultimately we can only go off of what we got. So until the creators provide comment or Aaron provides something beyond basic comments, we have nothing else. Except from another JK (except Aaron didn't create ATLA) retroactively stating something, that some fans clearly wanted comment on.And anyway, for arguments sake, let us be generous, let us say it was a definitive plan and Aaron has notes and the creators were receptive to it, is it necessary? What does it add to the story? The threat of the Fire Nation ended, the heroes won, why must she be redeemed only to satisfy the meta narrative of fans ego? Why is it important beyond how they feel? This seems a rather crazy way to consume media. It leads to mental illness. It has been 18 years and people still won't let this go.
>>153277389Zuko isn’t a manipulative sociopath though
>>153277410Zuko just sucks at it because Ozai wouldn't give him lessons. He tries that shit on Katara and fails. His blue spirit shtick is a direct parallel to Azula's Kyoshi disguises.
The simple fact is you have limited screen time. This weird modern obsession with tropes and how everyone needs massive development leads to paralysis. Some people will be bad guys and get defeated. She got plenty of development and story for who she was. Did she need more, just because a lot of people liked her? Go down they route and you'd never write a functioning story again.
>>153277410He kinda was in the first season. Reminded me a lot of certain sociopaths who use their anger to get what they want. If he didn't have his uncle and later the Avatar and his gang, he would've easily been Azula 2.0
>>153277402>Head writer of the show makes his intent in how he write Azula and her episodes very clear in a directly manner with no ambiguity>It directly contradict my shitty headcanon>Instead of accepting I just didn't understand a show for kids, I convinced myself that if I type enough mental gymnastics, I'll stop being wrongThis is just sad.>is it necessary?Yes. It's absence is a big part of why everything sucks and feels nonsensical post show.>What does it add to the story?It conclude Zuko's journey from student to master and from someone being reformed to a reformer, with Azula both paralleling his own journey AND Zuko redeeming the fire nation at large.
>>153277450>The simple fact is you have limited screen time.Which is why her arc was set up for later when they'd have more screentime for her with Ozai and the Fire Nation being defeated and Zuko's plot moving from defeating his own nation to now leading it and redeeming it.
>>153277450>>153277483Even the comics set this up further with Azula and Zuko literally talking about his reign and fighting in the crypt of the Firelord's most trusted advisor.
>>153277468>directly manner with no ambiguityAutism anon, there is plenty of ambiguity, considering Iroh's comments and how it played out. >It's absence is a big part of why everything sucks and feels nonsensical post show.Only because you won't let go.>It conclude Zuko's journey from student to master and from someone being reformed to a reformer, with Azula both paralleling his own journey AND Zuko redeeming the fire nation at large.The story didn't need an elongated epilogue just to satisfy your waifu needs. Genuinely crazy how 18 years later you're still obsessed with it. You're cancer.
>>153277340>Wasn't this directly after she tried to kill him?Yeah, after Iroh and Zuko were branded traitors after they impeded Fire Nation efforts in the Northern Water Tribe.Of course there would be a national order to kill traitors.
>>153277402>>153277450>Is it necessary? Pay off is a must after set ups, you dipshit>What does it add to the story? Furthers the arc of both characters and the themes of the show by PROVING Zuko can change his nation, starting with his antagonist>Why is it so important beyond how they feel?Because it's not about fan reaction, it is about finishing that arc, much like Zuko's own redemption was. >Fans would like this This just a consequence of "audience is pleased to get what they were promised">It has been 18 years, the story is over Avatar content keeps being made, it is VERY MUCH not over
>>153277531No, you misunderstand. I'm not asking if she had the right to kill Iroh, I'm saying its reasonable to say "Yeah, she literally just tried to kill you, but you shouldn't speak ill of her or harbor any ill will!"
>>153277515>Autism anon, there is plenty of ambiguity, considering Iroh's comments and how it played out.It's clear you have autism, no need to say it and no, there is no ambiguity, Iroh's comment was a joke and how it played out was a tragedy over sad music that Zuko looks sad and outright say he now agree with Aang that everyone, including Ozai, can be redeemed and Azula is getting help.>It's your fault for having standards and a brain.No, it's the comics and movie's fault for sucking.>It didn't need the thing the head writer said he has plans for, please ignore shit still being released to this day and how another season wouldn't be an epilogue.18 years later the franchise is still going, get over it, retard.Crazy how 7 years after the head writer confirmed you were full of shit, you're still crying.
>>153277561I meant that its unreasonable to say Iroh just should have been cool and sage like after nearly being killed.
>Zuko wants to do right by the fire nation and his family>Azula wants to be loved, valued, and a part of something>Zuko is also a pushoverwe all know the logical ending but you can't put that in a kids show
>>153277538>>153277568Ehaz is no longer involved with the franchise, why would his personal thoughts on it have any bearing on the direction it goes in?
>>153277592>but you can't put that in a kids showI've watched enough anime to know that's not true.
>>153277597>Why would how the original show was made and intended doesn't matter if it means my fanfic is trash.Ehaz not working on the comics won't change the episodes he wrote, retard.
>>153277598Anime isn't for children though.
>>153277592>Zuko is also a pushoverIn what world? Dude kept headbutting a whole nonstop for 3 years despite everyone telling him to give up and kept hunting the gaang down nonstop for a year despite repeatedly losing.
>>153275811Don't mind me just passing through
>>153277614True, it's for toddlers.
>>153277614Good thing ATLA is anime then. I have Aang going Super Saiyan as proof now.
>>153277592The bedroom scene exist in that show, anon.
>>153263666Every Oldhead has his limit.
>>153277592>Zuko is also a pushoverit's the opposite, his core characteristic is literally being a contrarian that never listens and always has to find out for himself still he has an unhealthy fixation on Azula, and it's clear that he'd want to "fix"her
>>153277687>still he has an unhealthy fixation on Azula,A reciprocated one too. Azula literally introduce herself as his sister and imitating him despite not having seen him in 3 years.
>>153277721She always brings it up like he belongs to her or something.
>>153277749Don't forget her insistence on calling him Zuzu, which NOBODY else, not even their other childhood friends, does.I think Azula might legit kill someone if they tried to use her nickname for him.
I have hundreds, if not thousands, of post about ATLA on tumblr, how hard would it be to get movie tourists to follow me and give me money?
>Hundreds of post that are essentially just one dude seething at Azula and his headcanon not being realWaste of a->ZucestYou now have my attention.
>>153277749>>153277798
>>153277965Genuinely a better story and character development than anything since the original show.
we all agree on what's the most satisfying and proper progression, but how do we stop those cowards from ignoring it
>>153277986>but how do we stop those cowards from ignoring itWe lobby for Grey to get on the writing team and threaten to set fire to Bryke's houses if they don't listen to her.
>>153277986Just keep making fanfics and doujins that are better than the official stuff honestly.
>>153277986I remember that one, do you have the rest of the set?
>>153263703The thumbnail makes it look like Azula is wearing a party hat.
>>153263666True, the author flat out admitted it was a complete mistake.
>>153263666It was a humorous subversion for the time. It's not that deep. Besides, teenagers do psychotic acts all the time. Then they get tried as adults and put away forever.
>>153278385Which is adorable.
>>153264038Happy? With THE MOON gone, all life on yhe planet was potentially DEAD.
>>153263666Some people are just psychopaths that lack a conscious and you can't do anything for em'.
>>153278448>psychopathsNot a real term
>>153278448Except Azula liked to win. A psychopath wouldn't care either way.
>>153278492Based thumbnail.
>The guy seething at Azula is now seething at Azula AND Zucest in another threadLmao, he really was ran off the thread.
>>153278593Zucest always wins. He can keep crying in his safe space.
>>153263666Have you spoken to a teenage girl?
>>153278613I'm legally obligated to say no.
>>153278593Still no redemption arc though
>>153278676Already got bullied out of your safe space? Damn.
>>153278700He can't reply to you, he's too busy typing as fast as he can on the other thread to make his samefagging convinced.Nice dubs of truth btw.
Friendly reminder: Zucest owns /co/, this is a Zucest board and you gotta deal with it.
>>153278853hear, hear.
>>153278853Based and true
Why does no one use this argument for Ozai? He’s a product of his environment, too. Is it because he’s a grown man?
>>153277274Azula without makeup…
>>153278937>Why does no one use this argument for Ozai?The show does. That's even the very last thing Zuko tells him in the entire show.I don't know why people think ATLA closed the door on Ozai's redemption, it didn't, they repeat endlessly 'yes, that include Ozai'.Ozai just doesn't take it and nobody cares to think about him taking it because we already know what him taking it looks like: Zuko.
>>153277389Zuka has always fundamentally been a kind person.
>>153278963How the hell did Zuko resist sexxing her on the spot?
>>153278969He had a kind mother, unlike someone else.
>>153278969He literally throws the bred at the turtleducks exactly like Azula did. ATLA is very clear about 'fundamentally good' and 'fundamentally bad' being bullshit and it's all about balance and CHOOSING to do good and being guided to do good.
>>153278937he doesn’t have friends, even if azula does manipulate them through fear the beach episode and flashbacks is enough to say that she isn’t completely heartless. She probably could have killed zuko instead of getting him back into the FN. Ursa’s parenting gave her a complex. Ozai is also the undisputed authority who can do whatever he wants.>>153278965I think the Bryke approved search comic kind of closed the door on that by having Ursa call him a faggot
>>153278973he has to make sure to not get her pregnant and put a Hapsburg on the throne
>>153277274It's funny because she would've fell apart on her own without Zuko and Katara getting involved. And when they did, all the had in their mind is taking her down. It's the one time a "you can still change" speech from the hero would've worked.
>>153278978So did Azula, but she’s always been a psychopath who even her mother feared to a degree.
>>153278997I don't care about the non-canon comics that suddenly decided Ozai had actually been raping Ursa the entire time and both Zuko AND Azula were delusional about their family being happy despite confirmed older lore saying she was Ozai's perfect match that was also his fiancée until Ozai went off the deep end later in their marriage.
>>153279004>comics
>>153279001>And put a member of one of the most successful and prosperous royal family in historyShut the fuck up.
>>153278963Zuko should’ve impregnated her.
>>153279006They’ll always be canon, cry about it.
>>153279001>he has to make sure to not get her pregnantWhy? That's the entire point.>>153279003>It's the one time a "you can still change" speech from the hero would've worked.Don't even need a speech, a hug and a headpat would have worked at that point
>>153279003Katara is so beautiful >>153279004This comic sucks because Ursa tells Ozai she cucked him and Ozai says he’ll treat Zuko like an actual cuck child to punish her. Nothing in the show indicated they were an arranged marriage, it’s just mystery box plot twist bullshit like Aang cutting Roku off or trying to kill Zuko
>>153279004Same comics set up Azula to become Zuko's most trusted advisor BTW.
>>153279005I agree, but in this specific scenario of Ozai redeeming himself I think the creators of the show approving the message that’s he’s a loveless small-hearted monster is indicative of how they view him
>>153278997Ursa didnt parent her. She pulled away. She was a daddy's girl with clear oedipus complex>>153279003Thats the worst part. She wasnt defeated she just got a sad one day and went crazy out of nowhere. Entire thing was fucking retarded. >>153279006She out right stated it in the show How is she an innocent dindu nuffin. Look at this, she smiled happily when Zuko was nearly killed. She deserves to be depowered and locked under the prison.
>>153279008>>153279015but anon, health defects. It’s just making things worse for future fire lords who might also fuck their sisters
>>153279033Sure they view as someone who'd never take it now and retconned the old lore to make him more stupidly evil but I don't see how it change how the show ended with Zuko directly saying he CAN become a better person and that they WOULD accept him getting redeemed.
Keep spamming that frame as if it helps prove your point.
>>153279044>but anon, health defects.Not how this works. Incest only increase the likelihood of pre-existing health defects, it actually DIMINISHES the likelihood of new health defects manifesting within the bloodline.Since Zuko and Azula are unironic ubermensch from a dynasty anointed by actual deities, I don't think they have anything to worry about. Especially if you included the comics where they are literal super-babies from a magic eugenics program.>>153279040>She deserves to be depowered and locked under the prison.Aang would never do that and he'd be right because it's stupid.
>>153279053Dude keep ping ponging between threads and still doesn't get he's the problem.Also I love his 'dindu' meltdown when the entire point of REDEMPTION is that you did do wrong, otherwise there's no redemption needed
>>153279044People always focus on the negative. Albert Eisenstein was a product of cousins. George Washington was a product of cousins.
God, Azula is so hot.
>>153279073Hes also a midwit racist pedophiliac syphilitic plagiarist fraud
>>153279088>midwit racist pedophiliac syphilitic plagiarist fraudHe's just like me!
>>153279062>Aang would never do that and he'd be right because it's stupid.Why. Shes a monsterpus genocidal lunatic who woukd kead a coup against zuko without hesitation.Depowering and imprisoning her is the most humane of punishments he should do to her.And no, fuck your head Canon. Shes a monster.
>>153279095>Why.Because Aang isn't gonna go around risking the entire Avatar cycle just to kick people while they're done and have already long stopped fighting.>Canon as a separate wordGlad you could admit it's canon.
>>153279095>SAAR, DO NOT REDEEM THE AZULA!English, please.
>>153279095Learn to spell.
>>153279095any coup is doomed to fail because he has the support of the other 2 nations plus the white lotus and the avatar. She’s smart enough to know that.
>>153279113And he's stronger than her by that point.
>>153279101Like I said. Fuck your head canon. Being beaten but a clear and present danger does not mean she gave up fighting and realized she was wrong this deserves a chance at redemption.Shes an u ironically evil person and for the good of the fire kingdom and planet she shoukd be depowered and imprisoned.
>>153279101where are you getting the idea that energybending risks the avatar cycle from? Wasn’t that only a risk of dying while in the avatar state?
>>153279128>where are you getting the idea that energybending risks the avatar cycle from?That's what the Lion Turtle says to Aang while warning him about his spirit being destroyed if Ozai's spirit is too strong for Aang to overpower and de-bend.>Wasn’t that only a risk of dying while in the avatar state?It's both.
>>153279125>>153279113>>153279110>>153279108>>153279101But she would still try. Shes a danger.A snake that should be defanged.
>>153279135Well azula is significantly weaker so it should be easy.
>>153279126>>153279136What the fuck are you even trying to say? You sound like you had a stroke.>Muh snakePeople aren't animals and that's not how things work in Avatar, the final of the show is literally Zuko saying Aang is right and that kind of bullshit is better left in the past where it belongs.
>>153279143>Well azula is significantly weaker so it should be easy.How? What make you say that? How can you be sure? How can Aang know for real before he tries?Spirit Bending is a complet unknown to him, he has no idea what make a spirit easy to overpower or not.And again, he wouldn't kick someone when they're already beaten.
>>153279135I honestly thought that just meant aang would die, would he really risk the entire avatar cycle for his own moral comfort?
>>153279144"People aren't animals""While discussing a show where everyone mimics and gains powers from animals"The past informs the future. At no point fud she ever showed hesitation regret mercy doubt. Nor did she see her path as wrong and change it. She is still a dangerous insane twisted gorl and needs her powers taken and to be locked away. Nothing said or shown in the show says she wants or is worth trying to redeem.
>>153279143It sure as fuck not gonna be easy to convince Aang to put himself at risk to do something he doesn't want to do to begin with.>>153279160>would he really risk the entire avatar cycle for his own moral comfort?It's not moral comfort, it's the hope for the world to move past the 100 Year War and toward a kinder more hopeful era where despite everything, the Fire Nation couldn't kill off his people's beliefs and principles.
>>153279150He used it alot and defeated the fire lord at the height of his powers with it.Abuja is nothing in comparison. A lunatic monster with prodigious talent with fire bending. But nothing compared to ozai during the comet.
>>153279163>The past informs the future.And in Avatar, the past sucked EXACTLY because of that 'muh snake' nonsense so they decided to not do it anymore.You're a retard and should stop stroke-typing.>>153279160He was already risking the avatar cycle fighting at all.
>>153279163Erm, what about waterbenders? Checkmate chuddo.
>>153279171>ure as fuck not gonna be easy to convince Aang to put himself at risk to do sThe fuck show did you watch?
>>153279175>He used it alotLiterally once.*>The firelordAnd what happened? Aang's spirit almost got destroyed on the spot and he pulled it off by the skin of his teeth.>nothing compared to Ozai during the cometHow would you know? Your spirit isn't measured by your bending abilities. This isn't Dragon Ball with its power levels.
>>153279180Youre just flailing about now. Im done here
>>153279184>The fuck show did you watch?Notice how you cut off the 'to do something he doesn't want to do'? Just like nobody could make him kill Ozai?>>153279193>I have no counter argument and will now shut upGood and stay siloent.
>>153279198>u spelt wrong so I winIm done with you
>>153279211>You cut off something on purpose because it proves you wrong>You're being mean to muh spellingAre you high?
>>153279224No I cut it off because I couldn't cut and paste it with my hotlink sized fingers. Im not some retard who woukd try shit like that. Anyone can go back and see what was posted dumbass.
>>153279239Then you were extra retarded for not noticing the part in the thing you were quoting that already addressed your dumbass response.
>>153279243Youre a fucking idiot. Good luck.
>>153279247Cope, retard.
Why did Azula bring back Zuko to the fire nation and give him Credit for taking down the Avatar?You can't just say she expected to turn tail and run. That could've gone the other way and It didn't benefit her.
>>153279323Because Zuko helped her and picked her side over someone else, which mean a lot to Azula, especially since he's her second favorite person after Ozai at this point in time.
>>153279331Yeah, but he's next in line to the throne. Any other person would've taken advantage of the situation and killed him. Unless she never cared about the Firelord title to begin with. What does she even care about?
>>153279338>Unless she never cared about the Firelord title to begin with.We got no real indication she did beyond wanting OZAI to be firelord.>What does she even care about?Approval and love from her dad, mom and brother mostly.Going by the comics, she wants her whole family to be alive, happy, not fighting each others and ruling over the world.
>>153279380>she wants her whole family to be alive, happy, not fighting each others and ruling over the world.That doesn't sound like Azula at all.
>>153279388>That doesn't sound like Azula at all.Why? At no point does she seem to like that her mom 'hate' her, that Ozai doesn't love her and that most of the family is dead or fighting.
>>153263772>No, she a victim of poor parenting,She's mentally ill because she inherited her fathers egomaniac sadism with a trace of her mothers compassion, which makes her desire human connection. Zuko is the opposite where he inherited most of his mothers compassion with a small trace of his father.She wants friends and lovers like a human being but her egomaniac personality drives them all away and all relations she has are superficial. And thats what ultimately makes her go completely bonkers when the two incompatible personalities clash with each other.
>>153279445>She's mentally illExcept she's not. She's perfectly sane the entire show until she has a breakdown over being betrayed, which isn't insane.
Just let me impregnate her. That will solve everything.
>>153279452We know, Zuko.
>>153279450>until she has a breakdown over being betrayed, which isn't insane.breakdowns are insane.
>>153278963Sexy is evil
>>153263676/thread
>>153279568And yet you're breaking down right now.>>153279611>Stop ignoring me!Lol, no.
>>153279445>She's mentally ill because she inherited her fathers egomaniac sadism with a trace of her mothers compassionAzula tries her best to be like Ozai, but the whole time even her scheming is done for her family, and when she gets a chance, mostly for Zuko
>>153279885People really tend to forget that Azula only ever act in Ozai's name for most of the show
>>153268478This may come as a surprise to you, but in the days of Imperial Japan teens were employed and had responsibilities instead of being mid-20s manchildren
>>153279954Twitterites see highschoolers acting like highschoolers (and they do act like highschoolers, look at the Aang prom ep snd the Azula beach ep) then whine that they should be college students still finding themselves
>>153279954>but in the days of Imperial Japan teens were employedNo, they weren't, they were apprentices under family members or just outright sold to people as apprentices who weren't paid.
>>153263676>>153263703FPBPSPBPAzula simps GET OUTImagine being this mentally stuck on a 20 year old cartoon showImagine wanting such creative control as to completely change its narrativeImagine being such a simp for a character that you genuinely look at it and say "durr i can fix her"Imagine wanting to ruin the entire plot just so you can play fictional tea time with her in your headAnd especially:Imagine taking the one thing away from Azula that makes her interesting: BEING EVILPretty women can be evil for fuck's sake, move on, get a life
>>153279967Slaves weren’t paid.Apprentices were ALWAYS paid.https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/japanese-childhood/home/home-en/topics-2/children-at-work/#:~:text=Otherwise%2C%20however%2C%20the%20vast%20majority,proportion%20went%20into%20such%20work.In fact 14 was the standard age you would start working and being paid as an apprentice.
>>153265546>She's fully grown both mentally and physically.Found the pedo.Though to be fair she seems way older, and her voice doesn't really help.
>>153279967“ Throughout the period from 1900 to 1945, the majority of Japanese children left the formal education system not later than age 14. Indeed, until the second decade of the twentieth century, most left formal education on graduation from ordinary elementary school (jinjō shōgakkō) at age 12, and this was still true for a significant minority of 10 to 20 percent even in the 1930s. Of those who left formal education at 12 or 14, some girls continued their education informally, usually at sewing classes (saihō kyōshitsu) with a private teacher, either part-time or full-time. Otherwise, however, the vast majority would start work, either as part of the family labour force in the household, farm, or business, or else in apprenticeship, domestic service, or paid employment.”Nah you’re full of shit. 12-14 is when you either went into apprenticeship (which is also paid) or go into regular paid employment.
>>153279992She seems 14. Women are at full height at 14 and have grown their breasts and are fertile to breed. Stop being an arrested development manchild
>>153279980>Literally say what I said, working for family or apprenticeship where they aren't even paidYou really should just read the entire link next time.Also WW2 Japan isn't 'Imperial Japan', Imperial Japan started in the 1800's.And that's ignore the pre-Shogun era.>>153279979How does it feel that no matter how much you screech, not a single person agreed with you?
>>153279993>Nah, I can't read so you're wrong>They totally got paid, please ignore it's the master taking the apprentice in and teaching the kid his craft that was paid by the family most of the timeI have sorry you can't reading your own bad source that doesn't even start in the right century. It must be hard living with that disability.
>>153279998Can you read?“Of those who left formal education at 12 or 14, some girls continued their education informally, usually at sewing classes (saihō kyōshitsu) with a private teacher, either part-time or full-time. Otherwise, however, the vast majority would start work, either as part of the family labour force in the household, farm, or business, or else in apprenticeship, domestic service, or paid employment.”I’m serious.“domestic service, or paid employment.”“paid employment”CAN YOU READ?
>>153279997What 14 year old sounds like that though.Katara and Ty Lee, yea, but even back when it was airing for kid me it didn't really come across.
>>153280007>Can you read?Yes, I can and you clearly can't.>I'm seriousAnd retarded.>I WILL REPEAT MYSELF 500 TIMES WHILE CRYING BLOOD!Deep breath, anon, I know you're cornered and panicking but take deep breath, calm down and read your own full link.So unlike you, I can read so now how about you question why 'paid employment' is vaguely defined and mentioned last and does not include apprenticeship? It's because I'm right and paid employment was the rare exception, not the norm and the rest wasn't fucking paid.
>>153280007This isn't twitter, don't chimp out just because you think you have a harebrained 'gotcha', it's cringe.
>>153279997>>153280007The average age for marriage in most of medieval history was between 17 and 22, you faggot.
>>153280019>i-it’s rare because i’m coping.Nowhere does it say it’s rare. Nowhere does it say apprenticeship isn’t paid. You couldn’t even read a literal excerpt typed out for you now you’re crying like a little piggy cause we saw it
>>153280035>You just folded the one paragraph of one shitty source that refuse to read in full or get more informed on and insist on ignoring all context. Also please ignore my retarded claim the apprenticeship was paid despite my own source saying otherwise.Now get on your knees and apologize.
>>153263666Hello CD Call/Lily Orchard/whatever
>>153280033“Average”?That’s because most westerners couldn’t afford a dowry without years of work. We have famous examples of girls being married at 12. There were no laws or practice against than convienience
>>153280044Where does the source say otherwise, crying little piggy?We’re waiting for you to learn to read and post the quote where it’s unpaid.
>>153280047Yes, average, as in the vast majority of the population.Almost like they're famous for a reason, you retard. Even nobles who married much earlier for political reason would wait until 16 to 17 before even trying for children and any attempt otherwise would cause country wide scandal.Go back to your subreddit.
>>153280033No, twitter ballerina, “average age” is not a law.
>>153280050>Where does the source say otherwise,Scroll up and read, seething retard.>crying little piggyDidn't ask for your name, faggot.>WeLMAO, you're all alone. You've been fighting for your life here for hours against everyone.
>>153280060Replying twice won't make you less wrong, redditor bitch.Your cope that 20 year olds are just as bad as your 40 year old ass still living with your parents will never be legitimate.
>>153280058>Almost like they're famous for a reason, you retardThey were famous because they were rich nobles who already owned land from birth, you retard.>and any attempt otherwise would cause country wide scandalNo???????Lmao what “scandal”?? Twitter wasn’t a thing back then. Post these scandals for the class pleaseKing Henry VII’s mom was 12 when she got knocked up, noone cared.
>>153280045semirelated but it makes me laugh when Steven universe fags try to blame their show’s reputation on her. No, that shit just crashed and burned I was there.
>>153280035>You were supposed to only read the excerpt and misread it like me! Stop reading the entire thing!That's just sad.
>>153280075>projecting his crybaby manchild lifeTypical. Functioning humans can work and marry and start families in their teens, you pathetic neckbeard twitter tranny. Always have.
>>153280079Post the part from the entire thing where it says they’re rare and unpaid.
>>153280077>Every noble ever was famous!!!! Stop proving me wrong very easily!No, it's because their marriage were atypical, thus the focus on age.>Me adding 5 billion ? will totally cancel out history disagreeing with mePathetic.>No one cared, which is why we know about it with many many people talking about it and being shocked at the timeGlad we could make clear you're coping.
>>153280087>No uBull's eye, cry more, 40 year old fatty>Okay they didn't so I'm moving the goalpost to 'they can!'Nope, you're still the only dysfunctional one.
>>153280093No, their marriages were very very very typical for the rich.Post the imaginary scandals you insist happened but only happened in tour head.
>>153280093> with many many people talking about it and being shocked at the timeThat’s interesting.Can you post any of these people who were shocked at the time?
>>153280089>and unpaid.That would be the part where 'paid labor' is named separately from the rest. Cool to see you still dodge the apprenticeship point since you know you were proven wrong on it.> it says they’re rare That'd be the part where it's named last for clear reasons and the context of the full actual text of the link you didn't read.
>>153280101>>153280103>No, their marriages were very very very typical for the rich.Every historical report disagree, giving birth at 12 was never the norm for nobles or anyone. Now triple your samefagging begging me to google stuff for you because you know you lost.>No one cared about this very documented thingThat was so funny. So desperate.
>Retarded faggot got bullied off the thread over his Azula hateboner spam and samefagging>Tries to comeback but get slapped back out>Now tries another comeback where he's instead shitting up the thread with his weird cope that everyone is as much of a loser as his 40 year old ass for not having kids at 14Lol. Lmao.
>>153280093Young marriage was the norm in medieval times, not atypical at all. Most Kings and Queens married early.Alexander III of Scotland (aged 10) was married to Margaret of England (aged 11). Edward I (aged 15) was married to Eleanor of Castile (aged 13). Philip III (aged 17) was married to Isabella of Aragon (aged 13)Could go on, there’s never been any scandal over them, they were celebrated
>>153280118He really think he's fooling anyone with his constant and identical pattern of big burst of identical seething followed by silence all at once.
>>153280110All kings and queens of England are documented.Please post the scandals where people were outraged and having panic attacks over young marriage.
>>153280110Can we see those “historical reports” where the people all cry and screech like you?
>>153280121I understand you're pretending to be retarded out of despair but I already addressed that, nobles married earlier on average and still waited to have kids and the exception to that got massive coverage and scandals related to it, which is why you even know about it from your furious googling right now.
>>153280118>>153280124>1 minute apartYeah sure.Also following everything with “ass” makes you sound like a dumb twitter nigger
>>153280128No they didn’t, learn your history. all those examples i listed had kids early.
>>153280126>>153280127>All kings and queens of England are documented.And that's how we know it wasn't the norm. Good job.>WeYou're still all alone.Just need 3 more begging for me to google stuff for you.
>>153280133It was the norm because most Kings and Queens of england married early, and noone got upset by it like you, lmao
>>153280130>>153280132>NO U!!!!Poor fatass, he's so mad and samefagging yet again. Sorry you easily got called out again.>earlySo not 12 and not the norm; cool. Glad you could admit you were wrong, again.
>>153280133You should google for yourself because your only source is twitter lmao
>>153280139>>153280143>marriedSo not having kids like I said because I'm right while you have to dance around the point.>*upset fake laugh* I was laughed at on twitter too!It shows, tourist.
>Fuck, they're onto me, let's change the pattern to two reply repeating basically the same thing slight rephrased for each anon laughing at meHow long before he switch threads again? All this because Azula was always intended to be redeemed.
>>153280142Why are you replying to me?>so not 12Eleanor of Castille was preggers at 12.Margaret was also preggers at 12.
>>153280151You’re not right at all.Both Eleanor and Margaret were having kids at 12 and birthed at 13.
>>153280164>>153280166>Two high profile, due to being unusual case totally change how it went 99.9% of the time, please ignore why those cases are even known!Lol. Lmao.Be less blatant with the samefagging next time.
>>153280168Watch out, you're gonna get two identical replies crying at you now.
>>153263666I think "go down" is actually a poor choice of words. Like ATLA used a lot of euphemisms for "kill" and that sort of falls into it, even if unintentional.I think Azula needs her ass kicked, is what he's saying. And he's probably speaking from experience, since it's the asskicking he got at BSS that (probably) turned his worldview around.
>>153280230>since it's the asskicking he got at BSS that (probably) turned his worldview around.He was winning actually. His son just happened to die and he gave up and left entirely.
>>153263666Nah, she deserved even worse.
Sex is the solution.
>>153280033>The average age for marriage in most of medieval history was between 17 and 22, you faggot.At what age did women lose her virginity?
>>153281062*their
>>153263666Listen Satan, some people are literally born psychopaths with no capacity for empathy at all. Iroh knew her since she was born and probably realized she was a psycho when she was still little.>>153263676FPBP
nigga she literally killed people lmaoThe degree to which men will go to simp for objectively bad women.
I don't think Azula really intended to actually kill Zuko even at that final agni kai t b h>I'd rather our family physician attend to Zuzu, if you don't mindShe says after hitting him with lightning and Katara goes to heal him.
>153263666Retard.>>153263676Fpbp.
>>153275912lol cope
>>153279997>>153280047>>153280060>>153281062LOL WHY did this turn into a "well ackshually" pedo thread? HOLY FUCK!
>>153282587Take a little look at the catalog and guess
Genuinely crazy how one mentally ill schizo Azula fan accounts for like half this threads posts. That is made pretty clear by the posting style. That anon cannot beat the autism allegations because this is insane. The levels of seething are insane.
>>153282587Azula fans are all pedos.
>>153282587prepubescents can't get preggo
>>153280713Aang is so lucky
>>153284097based.
>>153283011Most of them are female pedos. The rest or foids who want to see an unironically evil chick get the vegeta treatment. Even though it would be more akin to them wanting to rehab frieza.
>>153278007Wait, does she ship zucest?
>>153281562pretty sure that’s a joke, lightning is extremely fatal. She specifically attacked a bystander to get the shot on him
>>153263666What is it with the new generation simping for villains? She is not a good person nor was she abused like Zuko. She enjoyed every moment of what she did. Let villains be villains, and enjoy them for what they are. Even in the comics she proved yet again she was evil even her companions felt relief when she fucked off.
>>153277592The Bible patriarchs commit incest to keep their covenant with God as pure as possible; it's a big deal to the point Abraham specifically orders a servant to find a relative for Isaac to marry (his sister). Parents bring their kids to mass all the time since a very young age, all this shit is in the Bible, I don't see why putting incest in a cartoon would be any different.
>>153285498I think azula and her friends were undeveloped on this front, but the Fire Nation is extremely propagandistic and evil to the point kid Zuko, Azula, and their mom all laughed at the joke Iroh made about burning ba sing se down. Her nature might be sadistic and manipulative but her environment made it worse
>>153263666This reminds me of that Yuri vampire girl in the hero anime. Retards want her to be redeemed because she was abused” but when you look into it it was her parents just telling her not to bite other kids or suck their blood and the blood bullshit is not necessary for her to live. I thought she must drink blood to survive but the cunt just likes to stab and drink because it makes her cum. People wants her to be redeemed because she is a Yuri.
>>153285587Zuko was born in that investment, and he was kind, as were Mai and Tylee. But only Azula showed sadism and enjoyment in hurting others. One significant scene exposes that bad nature, when she threw rocks at the duck/turtle and pushed Tylee. That has nothing to do with being born in the fire nation. Through the show, many people show love or care in one way or another Azula just wanted to hurt and destroy.
>>153285708Environment*
>>153263724@grok why am I crying?
>>153285468Yeah but if she had actually suceeded in killing Katara I don't see her turning around and finishing off a wounded Zuko. Ironically I think he would have ended up like Azula did in the canon timeline, kept in captive confinement but for her amusement instead...
>>153285708Also, while most of the Fire Nation born showed hatred or superiority for other nations, they still had some respect or like for their people. Azula hated everyone including her friends. She didn't want friends she wanted people to control through fear. That is why Mai’s line of loving Zuko more than she feared her made her made. It also proved that Mai did fear Azula but fought that fear to save Zuko.
>>153282587The dude seething about Azula and how much he's been bullied since 2009 started spamming about it since he saw he kept being forced out of the thread when he spam about Azula
>>153281062>>153281073Same as marriage. Pre-marital sex was against the law.>>153281914Come on, tell yourself you did a good job 10 more times, it'll make the pain stop while you look at the trip of truth making fun of you.
>>153285335Yes.>>153285708>he was kind,He did all the shit Azula did.>>153282950>Get caught samefagging and spamming on two different thread with his exact pattern being called out multiple times>No u! Crazy how there's totally that dude doing what I'm doing making fun of me, right guys?!>Get ignored This is insanely pathetic.
>>153285667Yuri/lez/jailhouse bi foids and cuck voyeurs/pegging lovers are into abusive creepy lez bitches. News at 11. >>153285498They've been told evil people are not to be punished and are all good and shoukd just be let go....by evil people. Its gotten worse since social media became dominated by obvious bots and narrative manipulating algorithms enforcing bubbles.
>>153263666Because we really need more "muh misunderstood" garbage
>>153285667>People wants her to be redeemed because she is a Yuri.Except Azula is a straight and you're retarded.>>153285498>What is it with the new generation simping for villains?It's not a new generation, it's everyone who watched the show because that's what was set up.>nor was she abused like ZukoYes, she was, there's multiple episodes about it.>Muh comicsSame comics say she'll become Zuko's most trusted advisor.
>>153286097>>153286104>Thread turn against him again>Sudden burst of copy pasting setthingType faster! People are laughing at you and you must type faster to stop them!Also redemption is the opposite of 'muh misunderstood' and Azula isn't a lesbian, you faggot.>I blame social media for everyone disagreeing with me!Lol. Lmao.
>>153286110>that's what was set up.She goes insane out of nowhere and loses only because of that and is given a feather touch when she should have gotten the wicked queen treatment.Where did she at any point show that she deserves or wants rehabilitation. Shes as bad as Zhao. Worse in many ways.
>>153286126what the fuck are you even talking about?
>>153286150Learn to read
>>153286137>She goes insane out of nowhereShe doesn't go insane and it's not out of nowhere, she has a breakdown that's been in the work since the start, with Zuko leaving her, Ty Lee and Mai 'betraying' her and Ozai dropping her like a useless toy.>loses only because of thatNo, she loses because Zuko found peace and learned true firebending, which let him use his full potential without any self destructiveness.>I already know the show disagrees with me!Good, at least you won't pretend otherwise.>ZhaoThe dude Zuko tried to save even after he tried to end the world?>Where did she at any point show that she deservesWatch the show and read what the dude who write it said.
>>153286170I'm not reading your walls of slapfighting fucking autism.
>>153286194actually she lost because of Katara’s platonic love for Zuko
>>153286203>I can't learn to read!This was obvious from the start, don't worry.
>>153286219Nah, that just balanced stuff because if Zuko didn't give a fuck about Katara or she wasn't there, Zuko would have been safe from the lightning.And doing that was a defeat for Azula anyway cause you can't attack the audience during an honor duel so Zuko won either way before Katara even entered the equation.
>>153286223Retarded faggot
>>153286234Nice to meet you, retarded faggot. Weird time to announce yourself but okay.
>>153286088You really need to take the hint and fuck off one day.
>>153286253Why is the best any of you brain-dead mongoloid cum-drooling /co/mblrites can come up with is "no u"evety fucking timeproof you're brain-dead faggots your monkey pox ridden mother fucked by your faggot father wishes she swallowed
>>153286271>How dare you make fun of me after I insulted myself due to my retardation! People always do this to me!Sounds like you're the problem if every time you talk, it ends like this.
>>153286297Nice literal straw-man, cerebral AIDS patient.
>>153286297Last post, best post.
>>153286297>>153286330samefag
>>153286322Damn, you have a very long name.
>>153286343>>153286271>"no u"
>>153263666The entire Atla series is filthy air/water/earthbender propaganda. The victor justifies itself when writes history. Azula was surely betrayed and dishonorably overwhelmed by cowards. Many of the details doesn't add up. Killing all the airbenders, Azula suddenly losing her mind. Zuko, who was known as weak and a traitor conveniently appearing and taking the throne with the support of the Avatar. The Agni Kai won by a third party on the height of the Comet.VERY suspicious I say.
>>153286297Best post>>153286339Coping 'no u' post.
>>153286374learn to read
>>153286385Already did, nobody here share your disability.>>153286361They just want to hide the truth that the Final Agni Kai was actually a Bedni Kai where Zuko fucked his sister into submission.
>>153286401Constantly mentioning incest everywhere kind of ruins any point you think you’re making. If someone said Toph was the best character and they wanted to huff her stinky feet, they would be ignored for good reason.
>>153286401>nobody here share your disability....
>>153286410>they would be ignored for good reason.100% of ATLA threads since the movie release prove you wrong. Where do you think you are?
>>153286410>If someone said Toph was the best character and they wanted to huff her stinky feet, they would be ignored for good reason.This has genuinely been the consensus on every ATLA thread on /co/ for days now, it's the OPPOSITE of ignored.>>153286413Except that guy I guess.
>>153286410/co/ is a Zucest board, get used to it, we run this place.
>>153286110He is talking about Toga from Hero academia, retard. > Yes, she was, there's multiple episodes about it.Show a time where she was abused, retard.> Same comics say she'll become Zuko's most trusted advisor.And she didn't she just tried to murder multiple people and then fucked off alone after her crew told her to fuck herself.
>>153286484>He is talking about Toga from Hero academia, retard.And Azula isn't a lesbian so the comparison is retarded.>Show a time where she was abused, retard.Watch the fucking show, everything Ozai does is abuse, including making his 14 year old daughter do military shit.>And that doesn't count because....I said so!Sorry that even your shitty source agree will end up on Zuko's side and set it up too.
>>153286194> Ozai dropping her like a useless toyOzai gave her the fire nation to rule, dumbass.
>>153286501> Watch the fucking show, everything Ozai does is abuse, including making his 14 year old daughter do military shitI did. Every fire nation child was learning to be a soldier, so did Zuko. That is not abuse.> Sorry that even your shitty source agree will end up on Zuko's side and set it up too.Show it then. Because as far as the comics showed us she didn't because Zuko’s advisor. She just became a shadow cult leader and has proven to be a shitty person.
>>153286501toga is a bislut >>153286502she was still clearly disappointed by it because it was meaningless, Ozai declared himself an even higher authority
>>153286502>Ozai gave her the fire nation to rule, dumbass.He didn't, he made the title empty first by creating the Phoenix King title first, retard.>>153286526>I did.You clearly didn't.>That is not abuse.It is and the show you didn't watch has an entire episode about it.>Show it then. Scroll up, faggot, the headwriter saying you're full of shit was already posted in the thread>As far as the comics have showed usShe'll end up as Zuko's most trusted advisor, yes, as they have shown in the crypt of the firelord's most trusted advisor>She *random headcanon that's in no comics*So you didn't read the comics either.
>>153286535That doesn't mean he dropped her like a toy. He praised her and rewarded her by giving her a whole nation to rule.
>>153286535>toga is a bislutThen that anon was dumb and retarded about Toga too.>>153286562>That doesn't mean he dropped her like a toy.Yes, it does>He 'rewarded' her with an empty title he just gutted in front of her while directly rejecting herThat's abuse and dropping someone like a toy.
>>153286562not really. He was about to holocaust the earth kingdom. He’s the king of the world, which includes the fire nation, the flaming wreckage of the EK, and some shitty water tribes neither he nor Azula give two shits about beyond rounding out their collection.
>>153286574You are a sad cunt, are you. At least pretend you read the comics. This is the last we saw of Azula.
>>153286578Exactly. He gave her another people to torment and torture. >>153286574You are a retarded cunt.
>>153286643>>153286666Cry 5 more times, it's totally gonna cancel out even the comics saying you're full of shit, retard
>>153286676I posted a prove. You are posting shit you dug out of your ass. Cope harder. She is a manipulative evil bitch who probably died alone. So far you have nothing but headcanon.
>>153286692>I posted a proveLmao, you can't even write 'proof'No, Azula leaving her fire warrior doesn't undo the comics literally setting up that she'll because his most trusted advisor.
>The spammer seething about Zucest was an indian scammerHow fitting.
>>153286676Well, she didn't. She manipulated him and kidnapped kids to force Zuko to be ruthless and that didn't work.
>>153286707Yeah? Post it then. Post when she became the advisor. Other than that it's just s theory and he writers realized it's forced and shit then dropped it. Nothing happened. She just fucked off to find a place to rule. Nothing happened.
>>153286707I don't think it will ever happen. Even in the movie we saw everyone and Zuko was on the throne. She wasn't there. I think it was an idea, but the writers scratched it, just like they did with the idea of redeeming her in the show.
>>153286727>>153286740Come on, 3 more times and you'll finally feel better.>Set up is a theory unless it already happened.So the show disagree with you, as confirmed by the headwriter, the comics disagree with you as confirmed by the crypt scene and everyone disagree with you as confirmed by multiple threads here. What's your next cope?
>>153286768You are a moron who has yet to post any actual proof. All you've done so far is post copes and theories that still haven't come true. She will never be redeemed. Cope harder.
>>153286815>Random seething and cryingSo you have no cope left.
>>153286847Say the loser with 0 proof. Cope and seethe harder. She will never fuck you. She wants to fuck her daddy in the ass
>>153269115this. besides, not every character has to go through the same arc. we already had Zuko
>>153286873>No uYou're so mad without your pathetic copes that got destroyed. Hilarious. Don't forget to jump threads to cry again.
>>153263666he went on the run with zuko for a long time in hopes of saving him, azula was the saavy daughter of the firelord and one of the top people in the fire nation army, they had to take her down before they could even think of helping her. any attempts otherwise and she would play it coy and try to capture them.
