It must have been lonely for him being the sole conservative out of all the others in the OG Marvel Bullpen.
>>153278876it wouldnt have mattered because the "bullpen" saw each other basically twice a month and all of them worked more or less alone, communicating primarily through letters or sending a runner down the hallit was not a tight knit community at all, they were all basically there to do their job
>>153278889Didn't his disagreements over politics with stan lead to him eventually taking his toys and leaving to make The Question and Mr A?
>>153278915Stan was the one to INTRODUCE Steve to Ayn Rand. It had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with Ditko wanting more creative control and credit on Spider-Man.
>>153278915No his refusal to work on anything else led him there.
>>153278942>Stan was the one to INTRODUCE Steve to Ayn Rand.Bullshit. Stan was no conservative. The guy voted for JFK .
>>153278915>Didn't his disagreements over politicshe didnt get radicalized until after he had left marveland even then, he actually came back sporadically to do a few jobs for a while before leaving for goodhis disagreement with stan was entirely due to the issue of creditstan lee was credit as the creator and ditko as the artist, which ditko thought was unfair because he was actually doing a lot of the story while he was making the art stan lee offered him co-creator status, which ditko wasnt happy with because he felt like he was making pennies already despite doing most of the work and he wasnt even getting proper creditso he left
>>153278952stan lee liked to keep up with the latest trends to provide more material for the comics, so he was actually the one to bring atlas shrugged into the marvel office what he personally though of ayn rands politics is unknown and can never be known, though stan lee would be described as a centrist these daysbut it does seem like he was interested in atlas shrugged primarily for its sci-fi elements, like a walled hidden city full of incredibly advanced technology and hidden from the outside worldstan lee kept what he actually thought about it to himself but it is known that he read atlas shrugged and ditko learned of it through him
>>153278952>Ditko was introduced to Rand as early as 1960, with Stan Lee being an avid fan of Rand’s stories and depiction of her heroes. As the Objectivist movement picked up steam in New York City, Rand’s followers set up learning centers dedicated to her philosophy; in 1962 they began monthly production of The Objectivist Newsletter. The 95-cent 1963 paperback edition of Atlas Shrugged made it available to a mass audience, and further exposure came with Rand’s 1964 interview with Playboy, the magazine a likely staple of the studio Ditko shared with fetish artist Eric Stanton. - From Stranger & Stranger: The World of Steve DitkoJust because Stan introduced Ayn Rand to Steve Ditko doesn't mean he was Conservative, anon. Stan could've read The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged and said "I bet Ditko would get a kick out of this" not realizing that Ditko would make Randian Objectivism his entire worldview.
>>153278876Meh, at least he still had his family
>>153278915>>153278958Years later he said that the reason (or at least one of them) why he left was because Stan wouldn't talk to him. And the situation was tense. At first he was contributing with the plot, but then he was basically writing it completely. And at that point his drawings were sent to Stan without any dialogue, he would change stuff that he didn't like. Ditko disagreed with his decisions. I think that Ditko was a very smart man who definitely needed an editor. However, I believe that he had better choices than Stan. The original plans for the Green Goblin were ridiculous. And btw don't believe that shit of Ditko wanting him to be a literally who and not Norman
>>153279324Imagine getting to say your dad co-created spider-man
>>153279394Ehhh kinda. He was just an uncle
>>153279384>Years later he said that the reason (or at least one of them) why he left was because Stan wouldn't talk to him.I side with Ditko on a lot of the Spider-Man stuff, but I wholeheartedly believe Stan wouldn't talk to him/avoided him because it would turn into a conflict or argument about Spider-Man every time Stan saw Steve. Stan should've been the responsible one and scheduled a meeting with Ditko and a third party witness to hash out the Spider-Man conflict, but I guarantee Steve was bringing it up publicly in the bullpen when it was inappropriate or business-as-usual.>The original plans for the Green Goblin were ridiculous. And btw don't believe that shit of Ditko wanting him to be a literally who and not NormanDitko himself debunked this:>Now digest this: I knew from Day One, from the first GG story, who the GG would be. I absolutely knew because I planted him in J. Jonah Jameson’s businessmans club, it was where JJJ and the GG could be seen together. I planted them together in other stories where the GG would not appear in costume, action…I planted the GG’s son (same distinctive hair style) in the college issues for more dramatic involvement and storyline consequences. So how could there be any doubt, dispute, about who the GG had to turn out to be when unmasked?
How good are the Mr. A comics?
>>153279384>At first he was contributing with the plot, but then he was basically writing it completely.as mentioned, they left over the issue of credithe wasnt on speaking terms with stan because of that whole issue>And btw don't believe that shit of Ditko wanting him to be a literally who and not Normanditko always wanted him to be the green goblin and even made sure to insert norman osborne early into the run to set him upbut again, he left because he was only co-creator despite doing most of the work
>>153279464Nice art, awful writing.
>>153279464Read the one that's like 12 panels per page and has no dialogue
>>153279324Its nice to see that he was actually close to his family since Ditko is often portrayed as an autistic loner who never spoke to anyone and would make weird rambling comic books in his rent controlled New York office
>>153279384What were thoese plans?
>>153278952Anon, liking the books of a conservative doesn't make you conservative
>>153278876>WAAAAHHH I HAVE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE I DON'T SHARE MY EXACT POLITICAL BELIEFS WITHI worked with an ultra conservative guy who I would debate about politics and stuff with. He was an ass and not many people liked him but that was because of how he acted in general and yet I probably got along with him the best despite being the opposite of him. Because he respected me enough to actually listen and I would try to meet him halfway knowing he wouldn't change his opinion completely. If you can't get along with someone then it's not actually politics that's the problem.
>>153280091ditko claimed that stan lees idea for green goblin was for him to be magical in naturewhich he didnt agree with
>>153280165>>153280091And egyptian iirc
>>153278948Not true, Ditko took on plenty of work, he just would either leave early or prefer to work on things that reflected his black and white world view.Which by the 90's ended up being WWF and Power Rangers comics
>>153278876Conservatives weren't hypersensitive loudmouths back then, I'm sure he got along fine with others.
>>153281247>I'm sure he got along fine with others.its worth remembering that the entire argument between lee and ditko happened with neither of them in the roomwe are creating this idea that they were yelling at each other dramatically in the same room, ready to strike one another, and ditko angrily storming out of the room and saying that he is going to make his own bug themed superherobut the reality is that these arguments took place over several weeks and with neither of them seeing each other directlyespecially after lee started giving ditko the silent treatmentthey were still both doing their job in between these arguments, ditko didnt stop turning in his work until he actually quit
>>153279464He really really needed either someone else to write the dialogue for him an editor to cut it down while still conveying the same message. Otherwise, pretty solid.
>>153279403So his wizard powers must have been off the charts
>>153281561I don't think he ever recovered from being rejected by Flo Steinberg.
>>153281770He did have some bros in his corner https://nick-caputo.blogspot.com/2022/06/ditko-and-kid-guest-post-by-bernie.html>One instance had Eric joking around shortly after Steve was politely turned down for a lunch date by Stan Lee's secretary Flo Steinberg. The kidding was funny in a locker room type way, but Eric told me he later tried to intercede for his friend:>" I called her up...">I did not know that part of the story and was surprised to hear he would get involved.>At the time of the incident I was maybe fifteen and did ask her about Steve's lunch proposal. At fifteen you could ask a dumb question and get a serious answer. I remember being put in my place and the sound of her squeaky, sandpaper voice saying:">It's none of your business. This is my personal life. Don't ever ask me again.">Case closed at the time, but now and I wanted to hear Eric's version.>"Wow ! What'd you say to her ? She never told me anything about it.">" I called, told her who I was and tried to explain why I was calling and she F*****G hung up on me !">He immediately started laughing loud, long and hard. I started to recall all the times he would make Steve laugh. Steve would smile often, but a real laugh only came after Eric's laugh was so loud you could not ignore it. They were the perfect studio-mates. >Eric had one more "secret" to share. When he finished laughing he said:>" Ahh, he did ok. He was seeing one of my models for a while."
>Once again, his nephew Mark was dazzled by his uncle’s magic. The door to Ditko’s office was jammed shut with hundreds of unread letters from friends and fans, delivered in the month since he’d been there. On the walls were nature scenes, visions of his childhood. His apartment had a file of clipped articles from over the decades. All about Spider-Man.https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/steve-ditko-spider-man-life-legacy-1235047781/Despite constantly distancing himself from Spider-man, the old man was always keeping an eye out to see what his greatest contribution to the world was doing. Whether he liked or disliked what he was used for, it does seem like he was proud in his own way of his mark on the world.
>>153281973He also had this qt, April March, working for him as an inker in the 80s for a while, and she said he was very nice and courteous to her, as well as giving her a lot of interesting reading material.
