Why is Peach so angry in these movies? I get they want her to be the character little girls can LARP as but isnt it counter productive to give your role model character anger issues?
feminism
>>153296267She's got a highly stressful job and needs to vent her frustrations daily by kissing a handsome man named Mario on his big nose. By rules of the game she can't do that until the end
>>153296267All the princesses in this movie are oddly violent. Rosalina kinda gets a pass because she gets angry after her kids are hurt but Peach threatening people and Daisy punching a monkey is just weird.
>>153296267Hollywood thinka women being nice to anyone is sexist and therefor forbidden.
>>153296267Try to deal with the Toads’s bullshits on daily basis.She was frustrated beyond belief having to deal with dumb mushrooms.And she had to wait until adulthood to vent any sexual frustration on BIC (Big Italian Cock)
>>153296279Not good feminism either, it's that annoying brand that got popular in 2015 where the woman is just rude and unpleasant for no reason.
>>153296311>Daisy punching a monkey is just weird.Daisy is a tomboy princess who rules a harsh desert empire, her being more physical makes sense.
>>153296341Anon doesn't know about the Daisy memes...
>>153296320Why didn't the Mario creators fight back against this harder? They've got the leverage. A straightforwardly dainty female lead would actually feel subversive at this point..
>>153296328>Try to deal with the Toads’s bullshits on daily basis. She was frustrated beyond belief having to deal with dumb mushroomsSounds like Bubblegum and the Candy Kingdom. Only, the Candy People were explicitly shown to be too dumb to live.
>>153296267Strong Female Character
Character assassination. Peach in the games doesn't act like this at all (maybe in Super Princess Peach but that's purely a game mechanic than part of her overall character)
>>153296357So long as it doesn't look like the live-action movie again, I don't think they care much.
>>153296376The problem with trying to make Peach a capable badass is that the obvious question becomes "Why does she need Mario?" Frankly the first movie did not do a good job of answering that.
>>153296357Nintendo genuinely does not care about the Mario series as far as consistent characterization goes. Mario is their flagship, and their strategy is to alter the characters to be a blank slate and have whatever personality or trait that suits the story they are in, up to and including alternate mediums. If Hollywood says that angry girlboss Peach will drive ticket sales, then angry girlboss Peach is what Nintendo will allow. The only rules are that the characters must be recognizable for branding, and they must be at least relatively kid-friendly.
>>153296336>it's that annoying brand that got popular in 2015 where the woman is just rude and unpleasant for no reason.It was popular in the 90's too. We had a quick break from it in the 00's.
>>153296376No, Super Princess Peach is much more normal and cutesy. Her only time is when she activates her powers. Back than that was kinda seen as problematic considering PMS.
>>153296311>and Daisy punching a monkey is just weird.Never relax.
>>153296704Haven't watched the movie yet. Please tell me that they do explore her middle eastern/muslim roots in the movie.
>>153296336There is no good feminism
>>153296357Japanese are dumb, their 70 year old sake brains cannot understand that their creations are being subverted, they're just happy to see their characters in the Hollywood big leagues.
>>153296392"Women needing men" is at the heart of feminist principles. She cannot be shown to need a man for even 1 frame of the movie. Yet here we are trying to tell a cliched damsel in distress story. So it's a big nothing where characters do things that dont matter.The debate is tired. It really is their ideology which prevents them from telling good stories.
>>153296279I mean yes and noGuys write this too and probably went along with it because they're low T
>>153296267She's the straightman who has to boss the dumb weak idiots like Mario and Toad around and tell them how it's done.>>153296303>>153296328Mario's a middle-aged obese manlet and in the movie a stuttering soiboy manchild.>>153296341>>153296850>harsh desert empire>middle eastern/muslim rootswhat the fuck are you talking about?The place she's from is a beautiful fun happyland just like Peach's. It's not even a desert, one of its zones has pyramids, the others are a beach, a tropical island, and China.Where the fuck did you get "muslim roots" from she's not covering her head in a towel. I feel like Mariofags don't actually know a single thing about Daisy's personality (like Peach but energetic, says her name a lot) and have imagined a lot of bullshit for yourself to pretend she's like twitter memes which is your only source of exposure.
>>153296574And all the "self esteem movement" stuff in the 90s was put in place by academics in the 80s and 70s. And they could only do that because of the grounds gained by feminism in the 60s and 50s. And that movement gained its power from the women workers during ww2. And before that you had the suffregetes and the women's temperance movement.There are no "waves" of feminism. There have been no "breaks". It's been a continuous procedure constantly asking for more, getting it, and asking for more again.
>>153296962Yes and yesThe men writing it are necessarily simps because if you aren't going along with what every women says in an office you get kicked out, and hollywood is the ultimate example of that. Every man with the temerity to tell a woman her ideas are dumb has already lost his job. So the men employed now fall into ine of tue noncombative categories if they aren't just true bleivers in it.
>>153296964shh chud she's la vantablack muslim nigger whose badass and tuff and simps for le wholesome unintimidating soiboy luigi
>>153296964>what the fuck are you talking about?They got it from reddit and twitter. Stupid headcanon that for some reason has poisoned the mario fandom.
>>153296964Nothing says Islam like Easter island heads and pyramids!She was colored very slightly more orange than peach and the browns in a desperate reach to covet things, others have made, for their own claimed her.
>>153296981No argument here.
>>153296336Telling women to smile is oppressive, so being a petty miserable unstable cunt is the only way to pwn patriarchy
>>153296336Feminists were always like this
>>153297006Faggot
Daisy should be brown only when being a tanned sporty tomboy, and only "middle eastern" when wearing an Egyptian style belly dancer outfit.
>>153296303>highly stressful job>aside from when a movie needs to happen, she's just sitting in her fancy office watching a bunch of baby-brained creatures walking around and dancingshe is not some epic diplomat like the first movie tricked everyone into thinking
>>153296392Mario basically insisted he needed HER help to save Luigi, then it turned into "ok small guy show me what you got" and that became their dynamic. That she's a badass leader and took an interest in the dopey small guy who doesn't give up while he gets a crush on her even though she's a bitch but sooo cool. Really obnoxious.
>>153296267She's sexier that way
>>153296964>middle-agedIsn't Mario like 25 according to Nintendo? The mustache makes him look like he's pushing 40 though.
>>153296267It's kind of the same thing with every single female lead in media now. They have to be the revolutionary that is angry at the state of the world today and be the one that takes a stand against the evil powers that be and throw off the big bad evil people. It's weird when it's royalty like Peach or Galadriel since they kind of ARE the powers that be in charge of things. Yet writers really want to portray them as the revolutionaries that want to overturn the system anyway.
>Peach has never been angry in any iteration of the series eve-ACK!https://youtu.be/Q20ovbTOroE?si=uVI0WeXtLPvi-OTHBunch of zoomies who have never watched this
Feminists really need to stop thinking that Grace is the same as weakness.
>>153297811That shit doesn't count MovieBob.
>>153297811kys
>>153296267She comes off more like a smug asshole that knows she can kick your ass so she treats everyone like shit because she kind of wants people to get pissed off at her.Basically an elementary school bully type that antagonizes everyone because they are comfortable in knowing they can. >>153296392She didn't. Mario needed her to help rescue Luigi. Outside of that Mario was just along for the ride and not very good at doing anything.
>>153296850Why do people cling to that so much when the desert stuff was just level 1 of Mario Land? You actually rescue her in a China knockoff country. Why isn't everyone insisting she is actually Chinese?
>>153297806It's just penis envy.Rey with her staff.Ratadriel with her sword.& Peach with the Halberd.
>>153296267She hasn't taken her anger management classes yet
>>153297831>>153297846Yeah get fucked idiots.
>>153297811There was a whole fucking video game where she uses extreme emotions as superpowers.
>>153297930You faggot Gen-Xers are the reason why everything is shit.
>Work service job all day>Get yelled at and can't say anything>Go home and live vicariously through angry girlboss
>yeah, portraying female emotions as unstable in a cute feminine way is exactly the same as girlbosses with generic smouldering rage, chudI cannot wait for AI slop to destroy the entire media ecosystem.
>>153296981What happened is that they did gain victories for their protesting.The suffragettes were allowed to voteThe 60s-70s generation were allowed to get better jobsThe 80s gained leadership positions in the workplaceThe 90s ones made objectifying illegal everywhereThe problems actually comes from their constant believing that there have been no victories at all before. That nothing ever got better, no one ever fought at all and everyone alive today are the first ones to ever revolt. No matter what, no matter what decade, the feminists have to believe that>Everything was always evil wrong and bad until I came along on this day in this year!! There has never been a single feminist victory ever before! They have to pretend that it was always 1890 and women were not allowed to vote or hold jobs until sliiiiiightly before current year and that the current feminists are actually the first incarnation. They have to pretend that there have never been any feminist movements at all and they are the first ones to take a stand.Only now all the victories to be made have been made. They really don't have anything left to take a stand and revolt against outside of petty little nothing topics that no one cares about.>They can vote>They have equal rights>They can have any job they want>They are not required to be married and no one gives a shit if they are not>They have equal standing in thew workplaceThere is nothing left to revolt for. So they come off as angry bitchy freaks that are just miserable people 24/7.Now they are freaking out over regular ol' normal relationships appearing in media. They freak out over an attractive woman appearing at all. They are lashing out in every direction because they have no focus, due to there not being anything left to focus on. You cannot say they do not have perfectly equal rights in everything, but they really really want to pretend real hard that they don't and then complain about it.
>>153298037I think the raging out at the mere existence of pink legos displays this level of nonsense. Now they just plain hate anything that reminds them women exist, because somehow that is also evil and misogynist.
Luigi, stop being a pussy feminist Mukhannath and chop off Mario's hands like a real man would. The Quran tells us that Magic Mushrooms are Haram yet he chose to be an infidel, Astaghfurillah
>>153298037>>153298068She-Hulk was the zenith of all this bullshit.
>>153297811Only amerimutts unironically use zoomer and any variations of it
>>153298086>Eurocuck trying to talk shitLol
>>153296311Daisy punching a monkey is completely within character for her.
>>153296850This is literally the entirety of her screentime.
>>153297811>>Peach has never been angry in any iteration of the series eve-ACK!Ok you get one chance to point to where the OP said this.
>>153296267women has anger issues tho. Is just realistic I guess
>>153298037>>153298068What happened in recent years is that a lot of gay women got involved and started mixing up the feminist grievances with the LGBT grievances. THAT'S when things got weird with the anything in the girl's toy aisle being evil and bad, or the color pink being evil misogyny, or a straight couple getting together in a movie being evil enslavement of women etc. They mixed up the messages and tried to pass all of it off as feminism.You had a lot of angry lesbians that already hate traditional feminine everything trying to claim that it's a feminist message and all women everywhere should hate it too or else they are enslaved by evil men. You had a lot of lesbians that hated seeing straight relationships on screen and tried to sell that as a feminist message too. All of a sudden if the woman was not the smartest, toughest, most useful capable character on screen, it was all the fault of the evil patriarchy forcing a message on the general public. which is the other side of things, they inject messages in their stuff and assume everyone else in the world does that too. That everything seen on screen was a targeted message to program viewers to some mindset.>>153298083It was a slow buildup, they were making sure every female lead in a major movie was a kungfu bitch of action back in the early 00s. It just took until the mid 2010s before it became a solid requirement in all things.
>>153297923>Peach fanning herself off and calming herself downWhy do I find this strangely attractive?
>>153296392the first movie left clear that she doesn't, mario just became part of the adventure to save luigi.
>>153298191only place Daisy ever threw a punch was the olympics.Her character is saying "hi i'm Daisy!" in a vaguelly silly way. She's not a rough em tough em badass kick your ass cuts on her knuckles tomboy, she's a marginally sillier version of Peach.
>>153296267They changed her personality to one which would work better on screen. Peach's normal reserved and demure femininity wouldn't be a good fit for such a loud and fast-paced kids action film.As for why angry? Eh it's a cartoon staple and one which naturally brings about conflict and encourages action in the plot
>>153296704Ukikis are joggers
Here come the shills...
>>153298511How about give Mario that energy. I'm sick of cow-towing to this gynocentric bullshit.
>>153296267female mc or co-protagonist? it have to be girlboss obviously
>>153298574In the upcoming Wolverine game they're going to make us play as Jean.
>>153298303Nobody wants that shit
>>153298592Source?
>>153298592Insomniac Spider-Man all again I guess
>>153296917This. Remember when they even went so far as to make the Princess Peach Showtime boxart resemble the fuck ugly Illumination face design thinking people in the west would like it?
>>153298603Movie it's making million, people don't care
>>153296376Peach in the games is a blank, boring plot device masquerading as a "character".
>>153299119Shut the fuck up Boco you mongoloid.
>>153299119Most Mario characters do, ironic that Wario has a more developed personality than Mario himself
>>153299119Good. Women are objects for men to use and abuse. Nothing more nothing less.
>>153299148Because you should roleplay as Mario but know why you hate Bowser or Wario.
>>153297822Feminists are the real life source of the over the top super villain personality
>>153298083Look how sincere the look of accomplishment is on her face
>>153298321Recently?Lesbians, lesbian predators, and rlesbian pedophiles, have been in it from the beginning. Alongside spinsters, the blue haired wierdo foids of their day, and wealthy men if power using them as tools to manipulate women abd through them society. Back in the 60s it became a cia backed tool to destroy women and the family. And lesbian pedophiles wrute works like the vaginas monologues that were little mire then how yo groom raoe and braknwash little girls. They even handwaived rape of infants because erection = college sent and males cant be raped. The scum manifesto is held up as brilliant feminist work as well. I can go on. Unlike the feminists I actually read up on yhe history and wurjs of the feminist cult. And its worse then you can imagine. I mean..these bitches dont even know that there were female doctors in the 1800s, that women graduating highschool back when that meant something was the norm. They think women were chained yo stoves and kept as house slaves. The truth is they are fucked forever because their leaders are degenerate retards empowered by men and women who hate women, men, children, and want the cattle class enslaved and culled. These feminism casualties are everywhere. They cant even directly point to a single positive thing feminist is directly responsible for.
>>153299185We have OF girls, escorts, artificial wombs+artificial eggs and dont have directly interact with women unless we want sex. They have no intrinsic worth. Thus they no longer have to fear us interacting with or accosting them ever.
>>153296311>and Daisy punching a monkey is just weirdShe usually saves it for Bowser.
>>153299666Damn, bitch just full-on Team Rocket'd him.
>>153296850As other anon said, that is her only scene in the movie.It's a post-credits teaser.
>>153299119Its almost as if its a video game about a plumber jumping on mushrooms...
>>153299119Yeah the games called "mario"and the movie is called "mario" it's supposed to be about Mario and peach is a motivation device.Make a movie called "peach" if you want to make a movie about peach
>>153299119Which is far more marketable then generic generic boss bitch middle aged hr lady we've been getting for the last going on 20 years.
>>153296376Peach is a cocky and smug Bitch in the sports games.
>>153297754Damn straight.
>>153298603You're a pussy ass Bitch of a male, a angry and in your face woman is hot and a true man's test of love, ask my wife.>>153298689This is the coolest I've ever seen peach, I always wanted her to have more zest and personality
>>153297446not all of them. but the sane feminists essentially got what they wanted years ago so the only ones still left complaining are the fat cunty disciples of andrea dworkin
>>153300123>Marketable Play any pokemon game with tons of tomboys and girl bosses in them and they overshadow Peach in any category of popularity
>>153296267She kind of has to deal with a lot of bullshit.
>>153300231Yeah. Look at all of the men lining up to wife up of fuck bitchy women.
>>153300252Post 4 examples.I want a good laugh.
>>153300231Kys, subhuman
>>153300252>tons and tons ofOf static characters dropping one liners before and after battles. Those aren't even characters, they're archetypes. Characters have arcs.
>>153299119Paper Mario>>153299148Probably because his games are usually not made by Mario's Team but Gotoi's team, Fire emblem studio or Treasure.
>>153300862Paper Mario Peach is best Peach, I love how she prays for you in the final battle with Bowser.
>>153296704If Yoshi is any indication, the next movie will have Daisy just kinda show up, exchange a few words with Mario and company, and then the movie proceeds as if she's been there the entire time.
>>153296267I would've loved to have seen Movie Peach's reaction to Bowser Jr. claiming she's his mom.
>>153300160
>>153302277>Peach:
Miyamoto approved of this Peach
>>153296934>It really is their ideology which prevents them from telling good stories.Yeah that's happening a lot these days. Potentially good stories get hijacked by someone's insane politics and they end up torpedoing it.
>>153303086Doesn’t matter
>>153299119>Peach in the games is a blank, boring plot device masquerading as a "character".that's why that made this game
>>153303086Miyamoto is a senile old man who probably forgot he created the Mario character in the first place
>>153296360Now I want to see Death Battle do an episode with Peach vs Bubblegum, an all-out battle with the former using the bros, power-ups, Toads, and star spirits while the latter uses Finn and Jake, her tech, the gumball guardians, and banana guards.
>>153297846you first
It's weird seeing the internet turn a 180 on Peach as a character.Genuinely I've seen many think she is a boring character in the games and now people want her to be boring because it won't remind them of annoying women they know?She wasn't even that annoying of a "girlboss" she just had agencyFor fucks sake, she and Mario have a legit straight relationship. How is it a girlboss to be straight?Because Mario is humilated? Fuck off, he still does cool boss fights in the movie and even has a great fight saving the day from Bowser Jr's antics.Also why do people here unironically say people have low T and talk about all women sucking based on a fucking kids movie? People take so much pride in being paranoid and everyone else being a brainwashed sheep.Are you really happy that you feel the world is against you?
I knew this version would suck when they took away her butt
>>153304349Fuck off boiled frog.You're compromised.
>>153304417
>>153304349>It's weird seeing the internet turn a 180 on Peach as a character.internet outrageit didnt matter what they did to peach, because they were going to be irrationally angry over a character with 3 character traits getting a 4th
>Mario's a middle-aged obese manlet and in the movie a stuttering soiboy manchildAnd yet he still pulls more trial than you ever will. How about that?
>>153304438Being a cold fish isn't a great character trait for Peach.
>>153300231I know you're just acting like a retard for attention, but since that's functionally the same as you just being a retards, I'm going to go ahead and tell you to take your medication and go back to eating your own turds you fucking retard.
>>153304460it didnt matter how they wrote peach, they would have gotten mad over anything
>artificial wombs+artificial eggsReally? Where are all the babies born from these artificial womb and eggs?
>>153303086Gunpoint Yokoi is litterally the father of everything that made the Mario you know now.
>>153304492shit's expensive. It's just easier to knock up random women if you have that kind of money
>>153296267Same reason all the chuds that make these threads are always angry
>>153304438You started a culture war, and are no angry and scared that you are losing it. We're done letting you subvert our favorite series and we're going to shit down your throats when you do.You asked for this, don't cry when we oblige you.
>>153304491Yeah Feminists would have thrown a shitfit if we got real Peach.
>>153304512Uh huh, I'm sure.
>>153296360Bubblegum actively lobotomized her populace and killed the one competent candy citizen. Peach is a royal princess of a kingdom of chikdren where she doesn't really have any problems ever outside of bowser. Her being a stressed busy business lady/birong basic boss bitch makes less then no sense.
>>153297754Larson certainly is
>>153304513It's a righteous anger.
>>153304515>what culture war bullshit does to your brainimagine being so outraged over everything that you have to act like an internet tough guy over an 8-bit princess
>>153304515>Are now
>>153296279fpbp
>>153304519the real peachs only character trait is baking cakeseveryone would have been rather rightfully angry if we got SM64 peach for 90 minutes because thats a character designed for a video game with an excuse plot that only existed for mario to do backflips over platforms
>>153304519If by shitlift, you mean like 4 people on Twitter expressive passive aggressive annoyance then sure. Every "outrage" is a like under 10 people passively criticizing something
>>153304349>because it won't remind them of annoying women they know?Well yeah. People don't want annoying characters in their entertainment.
>Imagine being so outraged over everything that you have to act like an internet tough guy over an 8-bit princess>Lol, why are you getting angry about video games?If it weren't important you trash wouldn't have devoted yourselves to undermining and subverting then to service your disgusting political agenda. You desperate attempts to diminish and distract from what you have done aren't going to work, we all see through you now. We have dealt with your tactics for over a decade now, we have developed immunity to them and you're left importantly crying about everyone finally turning against you.
>>153304515You're entire belief system was founded by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxxwell
>>153304581and its always about peachnobody is this outraged that mario doesnt sound like bob hoskins
>>153304595oh damn, internet tough guy coming through
>>153304569Wow you really hate women, Now wonder want them to be defective men with penis envy.
>>153304492Same place the robot girls are. Feminists fighting tooth and nail even though it will make men leave them alone and rescue them from the horror of pregnancy and abject evil of a rekationship with men. But they do exist and have both been proven viable. Soon. Very soon it will happen. And a complete sexual freedom of women from men and pregnancy.. sorry carrying a parasite around or pre-abotion.
>>153304617Hmm. I'm torn between pity for your obvious female issues and admiration for your hatred of children.
>Original Peach was always shit!>April O'Neil was always Black!>She-Hulk was good! Can you people just stop being communists for 30 seconds please!
>>153304614god forbid a character be changed to suit a different medium than video gamesmario can exist solely to say mamma mia in the video games because most of the time you are platforming, but you cant have that in a movie because you have no control over mario and they have to modify him to suit thatliterally the same case for peach
>>153304654what does communism have to do with any of this?what does she-hulk have to do with the means of production?
>>153304654>>153304656
>>153304597The opposite actually.
"It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible."
>>153304683No
>>153304695This isn't Twitter bud, you don't have to pull up old faithful to "win" an argument.
>>153304695>people I dislike dont understand things>unlike me, the final word on discourse
>>153304731Get in the Helicopter!
>>153304650I won't have any issues once robot girls are perfected.Geek girl and short stack are my choices. After a few years Ill put a baby in both.PS.The sarcasm is apparent to people with 2 brain cells. But the robot waifu? Oh yeah I want that.
>>153304699We all read the epstein papers
>>153304847the redacted*
>>153296303>needs to vent her frustrations daily by kissing a handsome man named Mario on his big noseGo to bed Luigi
>>153296376DEEEE ESSSS ELLLLLL
>>153304349>walks into thread complaining about depiction>complains anons don't like the depiction>thinks girlboss = lesbian>psychoanalyses anons collectivelyYou might want to take a break from the internet
Movie Peach is sexo
>>153304369
>>153296267To contrast what she’s like in Bowser’s headcanon versus the bitch she actually is
movie Peach could never
>>153304656What does Peach even contribute at this point? He collaborates with Toad to save Luigi, his trial is against Donkey Kong and later Bowser. What does she do that 'generic defenseless innocent Toad kingdom' isn't already doing?
imagine YOU had a fat, mexican greasy slob chasing you all over the world when your status in life is like, literally royalty.
>>153306004A man being needed or standing up to injustice is the exact last thing THEY want. A well "educated" boss bitch princess is preferable and useful to them.
>>153305997>Perry's story will never receive any kind of follow-up
she was kind of like that in the super mario bros super show and its sequels. the writers probably grew up with it and based the characters on how they are in the cartoon.
>>153296606This game would not be made nowadays
>>153305951I shouldAnons make me insecure in what I like because I worry I'm gonna accidentally become a cuck and die somehow
>>153302305alcoholic
>>153305997>Vibrator metaphor Modern Nintendo would never
>>153296267They turned Peach into Star Butterfly.
>>153296267Illumination is a hackery factory so their output will be AI tier in terms of writing. They wanted her to be more actively involved in the story, and so gave her the most basic "action girl" personality. Even this portrayal's defenders know there's a difference from the games, but the claims that she "needs" to be this way to tell the story are post hoc justification bullshit. There's nothing actually stopping her from being involved in the plot with her game personality outside of the writer's inability to get her out of danger without her knowing kung fu.
>>153296311Someone never played Mario Strikers.
>>153296964So, in 64 era, Mario Tennis and Golf Specifically, Daisy is notably darker than Princess Peach (I wouldn’t say Black/Arab, just tanned) The reason for this is unknown, probably just looked better with the orange dress. In Mario Land, the first world is Egypt themed. Now, you have to understand that most people probably didn’t get past the first world. They saw desert and assumed the whole game was like that. The original Mario Brothers had one theme. Why would a gameboy game be different?These two facts have combined into the fan idea that Sarasaland is a desert kingdom, and thus Daisy is Arabic. From there, little misconceptions form, and take root in the minds of nintendo fans, half of whom haven’t played the games they allegedly like.It’s silly, of course, Sarasaland is clearly a imperialist empire controlled by their powerful air and navyforces, which you use in the game. Her homeland would probably be Chai, making her Chinese.
>>153296267These movies are highly satanic because Peach doesn't walk behind her man and they imply animals have souls. Join me in prayer to kill Nintendo and Illumination
>>153307500
>>153307602>Her homeland would probably be Chai, making her Chinese.She was a female Jiangshi all along.
>>153307629The characterizations from this seem all off. They remind me of the>Kirby, Japan boxart: happy and cute>Kirby, US boxart: angry as hellexcept they did it to the entire actual game?
>>153307602All true, HOWEVER my penis prefers that she be some kind of sandwoman or Mediterranean, so I'll stick with that.
>>153296267>Why is Peach so angry in these movies?I'm convinced none of you rumb faggots even watch the film, cause she dosen't really act this way towards mario.Like she had this moment early on in the movie where mario gave her a umbrella as a gift.
>>153296267All the princesses are Daisy now. Because being the damsel doesn’t fly anymore.
>>153296357Because they don’t give a fuck as long as they get their advertising and revenue. This shit is made for kids and tendies to see and buy Mario shit. Mario has been nothing more than a brand for a good while.
>>153307726No one gives a shit about mainstream media, anon. Their all watching YouTubers role playing traditional fairytales and families and watching anime. They lost them a long time ago, and genx as well as millennial all grew up with anime and access to the web so they are wary and informed enough to find other media.
>>153307706Appeal to Sexy, the ultimate trump card. You’ve got me beat.
>>153307690The Mario Strikers have a weird edgy aesthetic that they just went completely over the top with for Charged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBinxNwAN5s
>>153307726Daisy was a damsel
>>153298364There's two versions of Daisy: the one from the games and the fanart headcanon version who people want to beat them up.
>>153304349>had agencySo you missed the entire premise of the OP? What value did the scene of Peach angrily kicking rocks out of frustration add to her character?
>>153307614Dont make me tap the sign
>>153296267>isnt it counter productive to give your role model character anger issues?Notice how none of the leftist faggots ITT are addressing this?
>>153296267Will always gets me is when the first one came out all the anti-woke dummies like the quartering and his entire little gelk of special ed kids got together and screamed about how this movie was going to fail and then when it came out was successful all of a sudden turned into oh yes this movie was based all along and it shows those evil Hollywood executives how woke go broke. They're so full of lies they change their tune every 5 seconds they just look at the algorithm and then they say words to get money and more views. They will come out and dresses and cut off their dicks if it would get them five more views
>>153308453>Still repeating this lie 3 years laterThey changed their tune because Peach wasnt a woke girlboss. She was clearly made to appeal to little girls like the OP said instead of balding trannies like yourself. Its almost as if being able to understand nuance is a skill you have to develop?
>>153296303This would've happened in the first movie if Nintendo didn't tell them to scale it back.
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>>153308486Oh that's bull crap and you know it they changed their tune because of movie did well there were complaining about it right up until the end and then all the sudden they said oh she's not a girl boss. Guess what she was a girl boss it did well it didn't fit their narrative so they altered it they have no belief system. You're being scammed so they can sell you crappy coffee and whatever else they can fart out their butts
>>153308614>you know it they changed their tune becauseNo, I don’t because that didn’t happen. To you, Peach is the same character as Rey and Captain Marvel. Wow that media literacy is doing wonders for you. Wait, Captain marvel did well, how come they didn’t change their tune then?
>>153308643Because you are a faggot
>>153308643They got Captain Marvel for Rosalina. Peach is a worse Magik.
I wonder if Nintendo even remembers or cares about this Daisy lore enough to mention it. Would be cool if they brought it back, but the odds of that are practically zero.
>>153298689Neither look that great.
>>153308708Not really
>>153308651Wow riveting response. You’re so intelligent.
>>153304369dont pretend like you guys weren't spamming screenshots and garbage art of her ass from the first movie's trailer with her in the suit
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>>153296267>this threadI guess it's no surprise that it'd turn out like this but goddamn this feels like /v/. The only amusing thing is how an angry Peach makes so many anons angry. Anger is contagious.
Her being angry is hot.Too bad her voice is terrible.
>>153308941>Her being angry is hot.Not really.
>>153296378At least the live-action princess is feminine and that is closer to the canon in my book.
Did anyone else think that Peach's face looked off in the second movie? Like it was oddly long?
>>153296311That monkey was a douchebag.
Dunno. Didn't watch them. They seemed to be for children.
>>153304656Peach did not need to change at all. She needed room to express what she is, what she represents, and why she was always narratively and metaphysically important. Paper Mario for the N64 already somewhat did that. A film should theoretically be able to do that to much greater effect if it took the time to understand her significance. A major female character, who isn't the protagonist, who is warm, kind, nurturing, diplomatic, faithful, vulnerable yet resilient, and traditionally feminine, who maintains the most peaceful realm in the world, is very easy to understand, and can certainly exist in great conventional storytelling.You people who act as if turning Peach into a cold, angry, violent, sarcastic person, a complete subversion of her original self, is some sort of necessary change or feminist victory, but it's neither. Women like the original Peach exist. Some women are soft and warm and traditionally feminine and like being that way. Some women wear their hearts on their sleeve. Some women need help from the brave and virtuous when the corrupt target them. You lot seem to think these mothers, sisters, daughters, and sisters, do not deserve love, respect, acceptance, or even recognition as full persons with inherent dignity. I think that's pretty fucking messed up.>>153304501Does Miyamoto resent that fact? Is that why Miyamoto hates Wario so much and worked so hard to sabotage him, because he can't claim credit for him? Wario was at one point not too long ago more popular than Peach and Bowser. Mario devs kept trying to put him in new games, such as NSMBW, but Miyamoto kept blocking him for arbitrary, asinine reasons. That's how we got stuck with boring ass toads.
>>153309103Filtered
>>153296267its amazing how they basically admit with shit like this that kinder heroines are not allowed to exist. there was nothing stopping them from having a variety with her in movie 1, and regardless between rosalina and daisy for movie 2, they'd have had a different direction to go with a female main. but they're just not allowed to exist at all even in a group. fucking hate the industry.
>>153300091Anyone who makes this kind of argument needs to swing from a noose.
>>153309167I miss Wario so much bros... It's crazy thinking he used to have his own games now, zoomers probably think he's like a D-lister at this point. And now even the Wario Ware guy quit.
>>153309331I don't know if zoomers even care about Mario. At some point in the late 2000s and early 2010s it went from being a whimsical, evolving, boyish series for anyone to a sterile, corporate, feminized version of itself. Isn't that exactly the kind of thing zoomers hate?
>>153309379i enjoyed mario odyssey where mario gets rejected for marriage while she walks away like a priss. made me feel VERY boy
>>153309379Brown and nigger zoomers prefer stuff like Sonic because they kinda smell like shonen manga shit, but Mario still has a big audience of civilized nation children since they're more intelligent than, well, you.
Real Peach is too based to be portrayed in current year by hollywood.
>>153309379I've only played Mario Odyssey. Liked it more then Sonic Unleashed and Mania
>>153309192Filtered by the fact that he has good taste, maybe.I saw both movies and they're easily some of the worst shit Hollywood has put out. It's kinda impressive when something is so bad you feel like you wasted money despite pirating it.
>>153309473Sonic hasn't been shonen since the Secret Rings/Black Knight days>Frontiers Never played it
>>153309416>>153309504I forgot about Odyssey, that one had some soul I guess.
>>153309520Frontiers is dogshit, don't bother. Can't even roll down a hill.
>>153309473What a retarded post.
>>153309573Stop larping, autismo. Anyone that follows the franchise knows it has been pretty consistent in tone for like 30 years.
>>153309641Not really. It became pretty standardized around the 2010s, it used to be a lot more varied and creative, until only the flagship 3D platformers became that way. Everybody knows about the NSMB effect, everyone knows about what happened to Paper Mario and the style of the other spin-offs. You want to deny it because you're an autistic fanboy.
The amount of morons in this thread that think they added character traits to her instead of totally replacing her original ones, smdh.
>>153309664>It became pretty standardized around the 2010sYes, standardized with the exact same tone they had already been using for long years by that point in time.There is nothing in Mario 3D World or Odyssey that headbutts with what Mario 64 was or Mario Bros 3 were doing. At absolute most you can complain the spin-offs stopped being creative visually but that has zero to do with being 'less boyish' or whatever term your brain damage led you to coming up with, the closest thing to a lull we had were the NSMB games which we know only looked as samey as they did because they were an exercise in learning to work with HD development tools for the Mario team which is why they produced both NSMB2 and NSMBU out of refurbishing and polishing NSMBWii assets.You are schizophrenic and retarded, we get that, but don't burden others with your problems, don't jump into conversations way above your pay grade;
>>153309799The funniest part is that you can tell it's all soft culture-war autism since they're whining only about Peach despite the fact that ALL characters in the movie are bastardized with generic Hollywood archetypes. The fact they turned Mario into a generic Hollywood underdog is 100 times more offensive than anything that happened to Peach.
>>153309819Didn't read, keep coping. The fact is the whimsical style and spirit of boundless creativity and style were sterilized into a cynical formula, at best reserved for a select few games.
>>153309832That's debatable. Mario was greatly deminished, but Peach was subverted entirely.
>>153309865This. Mario's still at least meant to be somewhat likeable. There's a lot of shit at his expense but they still try to force the "plucky never gives up" angle. Peach is just a bitch to the point Bowser's idolizing visuals of her and her castle mural come across disconnected from her completely despite representing her more normally. He thinks of her in this cutesy sexy way and the mural has her with her hands clasped like she's wistful or praying.
>>153309849We know you read, we know you will reply to this post too, otherwise you wouldn't be trying to run away to make this become about art style instead of your initial retarded claims.
>>153310167Is that the royal we or are you posting with friends IRL?
I don't mind Peach's characterization but I do mind that they essentially made Rosalina less special and important just to hype Peach up more. I'm honestly surprised Nintendo allowed a rewrite like that.
>>153299119I bet you like Daisy too you fucking dumpling
>>153310191Neither, it's we as in you and me. Like "We both know that" something something.
>>153309315Feminists think kindness is weakness.
>>153310204No, not particularly.
>>153308405Mario helped her feel better by kicking rocks with her>>153308451She's human as the people who look up to her, and we see her go through her issues with her friends like Mario who, as I said before, offered to kick rocks with her
>>153310923Aww, why not?
>>153311095He fumbled with a handshake.
>>153311640HII'MDAISYHII'MDAISYHII'MDAISY ad infinitum
>>153311640Tits too big.
>>153311642What does that have to do with Mario and Peach bonding over kicking rocks?
>>153298344It's a sign of maturity and readiness for motherhood, like big tits and wide hips
>>153304597It's very funny to me that you troons latched onto that little PsyOp for dear life considering you have never even known about Epstein or Jizzlane if we hadn't told you about them. You like one of those faggots that actually believes that Hollywood isn't and wasn't run by commies because the commies who run it tell you that it wasn't. You literally just believe anything.Either way, lashing out at the truth with spurious accusations is such a troon thing to do and only further serves to prove my point, so thanks buddy.>>153304607Go back to eating other dudes assholes fag boy.
>>153304617Keep dreaming buddy.
>>153311640That's a dude>>153311771What tits? Bro's got pecs the size of Mt. Rushmore though.
>>153311784The reason rock kicking happens is because of that.
>>153311924They have a thing about female bodybuilders now.Its wierd. >>153310729They seem to have gone out if theur way to claim every traditional feminine trait is a miral failing brought on by the patriarchy.
>>153311924>>153312211Its trannyesque. Theg are trying to deconstruct what a woman looks like to get you to accept male body types on "women" rather than upkeeping what biological women look like
>>153296267Imagine the handjobs...
>>153311965I thought Peach was kicking rocks because their ship is destroyed and Mario wanted to jump in kicking rocks with her to help her feel better.I didn't get the idea that Mario was kicking rocks because he fumbled a handshake, I thought that was just a scene to show him trying and failing to express his true feelings with peach but it was moved in from, so now him kicking rocks with peach is him given another chance to bond with her.
>>153311868Where is the proof that Hollywood is run by commies?
>>153313353this movie has barely any cause and effect or continuity, so yes it was solely for what happened in that scene already. idk where he got that idea or what he meant.
>>153296267>women are always rational and never lose control of their emotionssure anon...
>>153311868If Hollywood was run by commies then why does it cost so Goddamn much to buy movies and buy a movie ticket and buy popcorn? Shouldn't it all be free for the working class or something?
>>153313423Commies are just mask off capitalists. Its the same shit from a different angle.
>>153312445Kys, tripfag
>>153313410I got the idea of what he meant because I see characters doing stuff like how human beings do stuff and think of how characters do stuff based on how their character works and how human beings work because Mario and Peach are human beings or human being adjacent.I got the idea that Mario wanted to help Peach feel better because Mario and Peach are friends and Mario likes Peach and wants to help her feel better because he is her friend so they kick rocks together because he wants to help her feel better because they are friends.How is that hard to figure out?
>>153313423Popcorn is how the theater makes money.
>>153313451im saying it'd make more sense she was upset which led to that scene because of the fucked up ship, not because of a different scene prior i doubt the writers were caring about already
>>153296311>>153296704Daisy punching Ukiki makes sense...but it really doesn't make her stand out anymore when every princesss in the movie is Daisy. What does she have now? Now she really is just Yellow Peach
>>153313438I guess that's why it's a political "spectrum" huh?I just get defensive about it because I am okay with the rights of women and minorities, and you guys will think I'm a pedophile faggot just because I don't mind the existence of other people you find degenerate.
>>153313481SHE WAS ALREADY UPSET WHEN THE SHIP CRASHED BECAUSE THE SHIP IS CRASHED AND WE SEE HER UPSET THAT THE SHIP CRASHED AND THEIR PLANS WERE NOT WORKING.How the fuck did you not think Peach would get upset at a bad thing happening to her and her friends and their plans to save Rosalina??
>>153313495NTA, but I would believe you're one because you preemptively hide behind common courtesy when attacking people.>Look, I hold the door open for people, and say thank you, but I'm not a member of a commune or anything, but also you guys are colossal gigarapists that only want to light blacks on fire.See how weird the virtue signaling comes off as?
>>153313526I just am scared of you guys bullying me and rejecting me because I am forced to care about everything you guys say because I am taught to believe everything you guys say because I grew up being told how based and right 4chan is and especially far right Nazi shit. So I deflect and reject because I am scared of doing something wrong in the eyes of God
>>153296267Yeah, my two gripes with this movie are the way Peach acts and behaves, and the princesses designs. Both feel off.
>>153313487If Daisy is Yellow Peach and Peach is now Pink Daisy then Daisy is Yellow Pink Daisy.
>>153313552>Guys guys I'm super scared that you're going to make fun of me because I'm a good person unlike all of you subhuman filth.Seriously think about what you're saying for two seconds and learn some self-awareness.This shit is why people don't like your ideology. You enter outside spaces preemptively namecalling and casting judgment, then cry when you're outcast for being insufferable. Your moral grandstanding is thus hollow, and people will question why you need to preemptively mask behind it.
I think miyamoto has gone senile because the movie characters are weirdly out of character and hes somehow allowing it and doing weird shit like Rosalina and Peach being sisters,Previously Miyamoto was autistically protective of his characters to the point that they had basically little to no personality but then he allows completely baffling shit here that picks up on out-of-date trends and allowing Peach to become some giga Mary sue.
>>153297811>Using the DIC cartoonC'mon nigga..Atleast mention the Nintendo Power comic, that one's relevant enough to have received modern reprints approved by Nintendo
>>153313569>>153313691>>153297811>>153313671A lot of anons in the thread don't quite grasp that Peach being angry isn't the problem, and Peach being levelheaded/headstrong/composed isn't the problem, it's that Peach isn't allowed to show any variety or range of emotions that typically distinguish her. Even when she crashes out in the second movie, it's not how Peach gets angry.She's not allowed to be girly, bubbly, sweet, naive, effeminate, have an explosive temper, to be petulant and arrogant and smug and impatient and naive. She's not allowed to be maternal or a peacemaker or generous and sociable.I don't think this is really a "girlboss" problem as much as it is the input of the actors. Allegedly, Peach and Mario are OOC in the films because of Anna and Chris having a large amount of sway over how their characters were depicted. It's only because of sheer luck and the actors being fans of the characters that examples like Bowser and Luigi happen to resemble their game counterparts more.
>>153296267the normalization of toxic femininity
>>153313671For what its worth, he never liked Rosalina and only agreed to her creation under the assumption she'd never show up again after Galaxy 1.
>>153313438>>153311868>it's the commies!you're retarded
>>153313644Well fuck, I didn't intend to sound like that. I inherently do not agree with you sure, but I also feel that you guys are the REAL good people and everything I believe is a lie. THAT is what I'm scared of, that I'm actually a bad person without even knowing.
>>153313671Allegedly, Illumination had more control over the first film which is why it feels more like a "full" movie, but they had LESS control over the second movie despite having the same creative team involved.>>153309832Peach sucks because she has her emotional range pruned. Mario is a thousand times worse because he doesn't even have ANYTHING resembling his personality whatsoever. He's just a grumpy asshole.Where's Mario's playful and courageous spirit? His cockiness? His cheerfulness? His sportsmanship? His love of food? His ability to charm women when he's not even trying to?
>>153296336This "brand" has roots in books from the 1970s and even late 1940s. Look into Kate Millett and Simone de Beauvoir. Or don't, you don't have to waste your life studying nonsense.
>>153313377>>153313423>>153313759Yes, the Venona Papers proved that the Soviet Union was funding communist front groups such as The Communist Party USA to subvert American values and promote virtually all forms of socialism through the medium of American film. They infiltrated evry sort of union they could, from screen writers to set makers, ensuring that they could enforce their will at anytime with strikes, riots and black listing those that went against their will. Even after the Soviets crumbled, their power structures remained through the true believers still there and they haven't given up on demoralizing Americans by turning their entertainment against them.You don't have to accept the truth, but it doesn't mean that the truth has to bend to you. Communists were and still are a powerful force in entertainment.
>>153313753Fag
>>153313712>effeminateIt’s femminine.
>>153314307Okay, but what does any of this have to do with Princess Peach not being a ditzy damsel in distress? If I want a ditzy female character to not be too ditzy, does that mean I'm a commie? Why is there so much overthinking over a character being different? Miyamoto wanted Peach to be less and less ditzy as the games go on.I'm sure commies exist, I met one in a cartoon community server, but this makes me self conscious about liking women who are not womanly. Am I genuinely a bad person for liking this version of Peach because she is cool yet willing to compromise with friends and her kingdom?
>>153314388NTA, but it really doesn't help your case when you try to handwave what people are actually saying by trying to motte and bailey the argument.People don't care that Peach isn't "ditzy," they care that she's had pretty much all aspects of femininity written out of her character and replaced with... whatever it is we have now.
>>153314428She has eyelashes, big eyes, lipstick, wears a dress, calls herself princess, takes care of the toads.I think that's pretty woman-y to me.
>>153314472Superficial.
>>153313671On the contrary, Miyamoto said that he views the Mario characters as "actors" that can be used in games and now movies depending on the needs of each work. In other words, he is fine with the Hollywood bastardizations because he views it as the "Hollywood versions" of those characters, which are allowed to be different from the main video game versions because they are literally not the same.
>>153314388>Okay, so you BTFO'd my prior claim and that scares me, so I'm going to just flee over to a completely different argument and hope that throws you off.Your not a bad person for having shit taste, you just have shit taste. From your post here >>153314472 I'd say that you're a very shallow individual who focuses predominantly on appearances without going to deep. You don't know what femininity is beyond make up and being vaguely mothering.
>>153314494It is an accurate description fo Peach's character in 90% of her mainline game depictions, so it's fine.
>>153314566Nah this guy was right >>153309167
>>153314494But she cares about the toads, she cares about her friends and even provides for both of them, you know, like a mother would?>>153309167I never got the impression that she was cold angry violent and sarcastic.Sure she was snarky but she really did care about Mario and respected him and even helped him. She cares about her kingdom, she cares about her friends and her sister.I genuinely do not know how you got the idea that she is a bitch.
>>153314644>I never got the impression that she was cold angry violent and sarcastic.I got it from watching the first movie where she is personally. I didn't watch the sequel.
how many cakes has movie Peach baked so far?
>>153314529Okay, then where can I go to be educated on proper femininity? Because clearly mean know more about what it means to be a woman than actual fucking women apparently.I don't even know why women characters NEED to be womany when what's important is what they provide the story. It makes me self conscious that I have to write my female characters in a hyper specific way or else I'm shallow because I have a female character do non female things like, be stronger than a guy.
>>153314693Aside from her tossing Mario into the ground, she quickly changed tone when Mario stood up to her.
>>153314698Right here
>>153314716She did things like shove a mushroom down her throat and say he's not important instead of just introduce him to everyone. And with Bowser there's no grace or diplomacy, just martial displays and fury. She's consistently cold, aggressive, and angry.
>>153314825The he's not important bit was to not make the toads butt into their business.And why would she have grace over Bowser, an evil tyrant? Even then she still had diplomacy when she gave herself up to marry him for the sake of her kingdom. The reason why she got so cold is because Bowser was going to fucking murder Luigi and other characters in front of her thinking she'd like that.There is, a lot of shit you seemed to have missed
>>153309167>Mario devs kept trying to put him in new games, such as NSMBW, but Miyamoto kept blocking him for arbitrary, asinine reasons. That's how we got stuck with boring ass toads.It's still amazing that we got him in 64DS.
>>153314880>The he's not important bit was to not make the toads butt into their business.No, it was put in there by the writers to denigrate him for being a man.
>>153314915[citation needed]
>>153314880>The he's not important bit was to not make the toads butt into their business.Even if that's true, being evasive and dismissive in the same breath is definitely very cold.
>>153314987I guess? I just saw it as her wanting to move things along for her plan to stop Bowser and not get distracted
>>153314969The fact that the scene exists. Can you give me a narrative reason for it other then "The lead male character everyone came to see is not important and is almost superfluous to princess peach's middle aged hr lady boss bitch powerfantasy". Not post hoc justification.
>>153314880>And why would she have grace over Bowser, an evil tyrant?Because she's Princess Peach, a graceful princess. That's what she always does in the RPGs, she's simply graceful and gracious when she's not actively captured.
>>153314997Spending fifteen extra seconds explaining that a hero is helping the kingdom would definitely put them off too much in this fairytale adventure without a set time limit, yeah.
>>153315007It was for a funny scene where she says not important and all the Toads cheered.That's the purpose of the scene, to be funny.Jokes don't have to serve a narrative, it can be a quick thing and then move on.>>153315012I don't have an issue with her not being graceful, I never cared for princesses being so uppity and princess-y and whatever role you need characters and genders to fill to give purpose and meaning their lives or something.I'm sorry if I sound like I'm assuming shit. I get you don't like how she is different, but I personally liked how she was handled in the movie. She wasn't a bitch, she just stood up for herself but still cared about her people because she's a princess, and she likes Mario like that.For fuck's sake she kissed mario in galaxy, I thought girlbosses hated men and straight people.>Mario is a cuck and a simpFine, you win, I guess I'll go kill myself
>>153297811Theres literally a episode where Peach is being forced to mary Bowser/Koopa via manipulation because hes holding the toads hostage. And she sacrifices herself to save them she doesnt get an axe and go try to kill him. So youre leaning on something with a direct comparison to the movies plot, trying to act smug for using a forgotten show, and you dont even fucking know about it.
>>153315030Hyping up this random guy she found as the ultimate hero we all should follow? You've seen movies where an average guy is hyped up as a hero and nobody is buying it, right?
>>153314388>Ditzy>Ditzy>Ditzy>DitzyYou types are always so transparent with your narrative pushing. Peach barely has enough of a personality in the games to be considered ditzy you lying faggot. If you genuinely like this >>153296267 regressive bullshit then say it with your chest. Stop trying to hide behind false narratives.
>>153303086They pimped Anya out to him, of course he's going to let them do whatever they want.
Did she really get flanderized in just one movie?
>>153311095The point of a role model is they represent the ideal version of the person you want to become. The role model having a major character flaw like anger issues defeats the fucking point you dumb faggot.Why are Superman and Spider Man considered role models and not the Punisher?
>>153315057At Mario's expense. It anded like a lead balloon covered in fat problem hair foids.
>>153296357They kinda did in the first movie. Despite being a girlboss who did the obstacle course perfectly on her first try, she was nice to Mario and serious when it came to Bowser. I guess Nintendo just dont care this time around.
>>153314528See, even if that was the case despite no offical media ever outright confirming it....it still doesn't justify the bad and lazy characterzation these movies have. Because the Muppets are literally the same premise, they're an acting troupe of weirdos fitting whatever role they're cast in, that said, no matter the role they're still supposed to act more or less how they're supposed toThis same thing applies to Mickey Mouse and co. who are cost in whatever best fits the story, but still how their characters are supposed to, and even have room for genuine character moments. I hate to say this, but either Miyamoto doesn't know what makes a good story or how to properly write characters or he's too enamored by the western idea of "Hollywood" to push up against it
>>153315070Have you forgotten this is Super Mario and Princess Peach you're talking about? Why would she not give him credit for his courage and friendship? God the movies are such cynical dogshit and you're a boiled frog who just expects shit like that.
>>153315076FineI like regressive characters that are made by feminists to destroy true femininity because I hate how we have to shove people into roles for them to be validated as people. I hate how I'm a guy and I have to do guy things to be a proper guy. I want to exist and be me dammit. I want to write women how I want and not how you want because I want do what I want as an artist. If you want a perfect woman to be as woman-y as possible, talk to an AI.>>153315091Why can't role models have struggles people can relate to admire how they overcome their struggles?
>>153315209She did when he beat Bowser in the endAt that moment she saw him as just some guy with potential, she gave him credit when he did the thing to get credit for.
>>153315212Tranny confirmed.
I don't know why people keep regurgitating that game Peach doesn't have a personality. She very clearly does even if you find it boring or whatever. People also ironically confirm it when they say they're happy that movie Peach is different. Hell in current year game Peach's personality would be outright novel compared to the average lady character.
>>153315226You gonna dismiss everything I say now?
>>153297778>Isn't Mario like 25 according to Nintendo? Yes, it was first officially mentioned in a game in Super Smash Bros Melee, in Japan Mario's trophy bio states his stache makes him look older than he is, but Mario is just 25. The American version of that trophy bio just assumed Nintendo was referring to Mario's 25th anniversary as a character so they wrote the bio in English as such.Miyamoto then started to officially reaffirm Mario really is a guy on twenties during certain interviews.Mario being young is a 21th century change though, early design documents do claim him as an "Ossan", an uncle type guy.
>>153315222Proving my point that she's cold, inconsiderate, and dismissive, the exact polar opposite of what Princess Peach should be. The plot of the movie should have been about saving the Mushroom Kingdom and Peach, but ultimately it ended up being about Pratt having to prove himself to this anti-Peach.
>>153315228Because people are extremely disingenuous, especially the ones who hate traditional femininity. They're borderline inhuman, can't expect them to be honest.
>>153315250Okay, then make your own Mario movie, make your own story where the guy saves the girl as a role model for boys everywhere.Not saying this to shut you up, I genuinely wanna see you guys make something like this because you think it's so important
>>153315178>it still doesn't justify the bad and lazy characterzation these movies haveBad and lazy don't need to be justified in their eyes though because Nintendo has never cared about keeping these characters consistent beyond the widest strokes. Look at Peach herself, across different RPGs she varies wildly from catty deadspan snarker to boring as fuck stiff "priestess" archetype to a lively rich young girl and so on, neither of which match the way she is characterized in the mainline games where she basically boils down to just yelling "save me!" or going "oh my..." to the point where she even fails to have an understandable reaction to a tiny Bowser telling her that he is his mom.At that point it is clear that as long as she is wearing a pink dress and Mario likes her and toads worship her that is "Peach enough" for them.
>>153315295I would love to, give me the budget for the SMB Movie and I'll quite my job and get right on it
>>153315320You could just animate something in the free app flippaclip and learn how to draw from watching proko and learn how to animate from watching BAM animation. Make actual indie animation with grit and imperfections, don't let budget and perfection get in the way of your vision.
>>153300284>>153300795Cynthia and Irish > Peach in the games
>>153315337I would honestly love to but I don't have the time or energy to pour that kind of project with no monetary incentive.
>>153308965Yes really
>>153296267Movie Peach > Game Peach because I sure as shut didn't care for her before this movie just like I didn't care for Mario before this movie.
>>153315401I agree, but that anon might say it's not hot because it's "feminist" angry and not "sexy angry"Angry is angry to me
>>153315449Not what I meant
>>153315303So make her exactly like every basic boring dismissive tired boss bitch.l wwe've seen for pert near 30 years now. Greet. Lot of little girls wanted to vospjsy princess pea.. Scratch that everyone dudnt care for her. Shes a basic stereotype in a sea of women EXACTLY like that. Want to kniw what would have been ballsy? Fresh and provocative?Make her a traditional feminine graceful loving princess. Give her that low key Unohana edge where shes..a lady.Roll her emotion based powers into her and have her effortlessly get into and out of things.But she gets angry or sad and all hell breaks loose. Empower her femininity, and respect it. Don't apologize for it and replace it with try hard self hating bitch.
>>153315433Secondary faggot, nice of you to admit it.
>>153315228Her personality was mainly just "princess" at least in the games. She'd sometimes get angry. Id say daisy had more personality because she was the tomboy princess and even then in games they fucking try to neutuer her into just being "Hi im Daisy!"
>>153315480Didn't the Daisy tomboy stuff really only start getting depicted in games after "Hi I'm Daisy!"?
>>153315480Princess is as much of a personality as tomboy. You just dislike her as a character. You didnt change her to have a personality. You replaced what was there known and liked with mediocrity.
>>153315480"Princess" isn't a personality. She's kind, sweet, and demure with a bit of a competitive edge. Sometimes games go beyond that by giving her some spunk when dealing with antagonists and rivals. That's very clearly a personality you can easily throw into a story. It's absurd how people say Peach has no Personality then bring up Daisy who had even less than that or was a clone at best in her game then they turned her into a pokemon
>>153315554>You didnt change her to have a personality. >You replaced what was there known and liked with mediocrity.no one in this thread worked on the movie...
>>153315563As someone who likes both Peach and Daisy I can tell the difference between the two. Peach is as you describe, while Daisy is much more rambunctious and boisterous. The way she speaks, emotes, and carries herself in general is much less coy, but she's still not excessively angry or anything. That said, she's still the one I have an easier time picturing both knowing and readily using martial arts, while I always pictured Peach as the more thoughtful problem solver.
>>153315268sadly this has infected everything. can't even rely on japan anymore.
>>153315688No shit. I got carried away and thought of the people defending as some nebulous mob thats somehow part of it. Its ridiculous but it's there.
>>153313964>This "brand" has roots in books from the 1970s and even late 1940s. Look into Kate Millett and Simone de Beauvoir. Or don't, you don't have to waste your life studying nonsense.I'd rather read schopenhauer since he's still correct to this day.
>>153315788Peach also feels, I dunno, more magic-oriented, even in her two games where she can fight.
>>153296267It's shots like this that make me laugh when people want to say stuff from the movies are "canon" to the games. These are not the same characters at all
Rosalina being related to Peach is even more retarded
>>153316483Its one part FROZEN POPULAR SO THIS GUUD TU and no character miyamoto didnt create can be better then the characters gunpei...I mean he created. Its why donkey kong is such a big part of the first movie even though it made fuck all sense.
>>153315212At least you admit you’re retarded. I wish all leftists were as honest as you.
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>>153304349>How is it a girlboss to be straight?my sides are in orbit
>>153317781Yeah, how is it girlboss for a woman to like a man? I thought they hated men
>>153308816Too bad they didn't go full Mario Kart Wii.
>>153298364In fairness, there's also the moment in MP3 where she sends Bowser flying from a slap because he was 'in the way'.
Attempting to distance themselves from the vapid empty headed Peach from SunshineNot wanting feminists and SJWs calling Nintendo and Illumination saying the main heroine of the film is a sexist joke (she was always by design in the 80s)
>>153297754Understood
post mario x peach please
>>153296704Its borderline thematically fitting the issue is its something you can also see movie peach doing which removes the entire point of daisyShe's the tanned tomboy princess except when peach isn't the dainty and refined gentlelady you want to protect she has no more niche.Brawl seems to be the only thing that managed to show peach at just the right angle
>>153316579Gunpei Yokoi did not create a single Mario character. His biggest involvement with the series was being producer on Mario Land, and with producer we mean "the guy who said GO AHEAD WITH MAKING A PORTABLE SUPER MARIO GAME" instead of being a hands on creative.
>>153296267That's just normal woman behavior. I'd be very concerned if a woman was always calm and collected.
>>153318542They already did that in 2004 when Thousand-Year Door came out, though, and she didn't read like a different person in that game. As for the second point, grifters like Feminist Frequency always complained about Peach and that didn't stop her from being the second most popular female video game character of all time after Lara Croft.
>>153296267>>153296279>>153296303Girlboss shit, blame the TTG for this Daisy 2.0
>>153314307>venona paperswere more than 40 years ago you jackape>CPUSAis controlled opposition>infiltrated unionslike the mafia and dem party?>commies are in entertainmentjust doubling down on retardation
>>153320425>were more than 40 years agoAnd?
>>153320273Not pictured:>peach getting laughed at and told to fuck off by cranky kong>peach pissing her panties in fear of donkey kong>mario stepped up to fight him and winning while peach cried, peach would have been shit out of luck without him>peach immediately shitting herself and surrendering when bowser hurt toad>peach being a retard and throwing fire at king bob-omb, setting him off and hitting herself losing her power up and needing mario to save her
>>153296964>mariofagsActually it's touristfags waiting to claim another character in the name of diversity and inclusion because they can't create characters for themselves and must attach themselves like a parasitoid.
>>153320273TTG?
>>153320651>peach being a retard and throwing fire at king bob-omb, setting him off and hitting herself losing her power up and needing mario to save herThe fact that she didn't receive a hard smack across the face for this makes the movie worse. Stop coddling female protagonists.
>>153320651>peach pissing her panties in fear of donkey kongLiterally?
>>153318542The "vapid empty headed Peach" thing always felt overblown, even in the heyday of the 8 bit to 64 era; she's a damsel in distress McGuffin in Bros., SMW, 64, and Lost Levels (if you want to count it as a separate thing) sure, but also:>is playable from the outset in SMB2 and its weird Japan-only sequel>sent Mario on the quest in SMB3, communicates with and sends him powerups throughout it, and only gets kidnapped by Bowser at the very end after Mario saves all of the kings>gets kidnapped by Bowser and Booster in SMRPG, but then joins the party and spends the rest of the game helping out against the Smithy Gang>gets kidnapped by Bowser in PM, but gets a bunch of playable stealth sections where she gathers intel for Mario, also helping him (and Twink) out in the final battle against Bowser and Kammy>was a main character in the DiC trilogy, the Valiant comics, and Super Mario Adventures and quite proactive in all of them
>>153296336>feminism>GoodChoose one
>>153304349Wow almost as if people are sick of decades of feminist lies spam, girlboss bitch and emasculated beta simp men.It's gotten so bad that it isn't until NOW that these spinster bitches are pointing out that there're not men in college or in the workforce and only because this means there are not enough betabuxx around to leech off from, as if men weren't discriminated again due to DEI/ESG/BRIDGE policies
>>153320741It's weird how many people still don't know the TTG guys are the directors behind these Mario movies..
>>153309167>warm, kind, nurturing, diplomatic, faithful, vulnerable yet resilient, and traditionally feminineSorry, 4chan told me these kinds of girls are boring and bland now.
