What are their must read comics?
Batman/Elmer Fudd
>>153300097As I'm working through their respective catalogs, I'm going to say none.>>153300141No, that's a piece of dogshit.
Tom King's Supergirl was really good
>>153300291No, just the art.
>>153300141This, because it upsets contrarian drama queens like >>153300186
>>153300097They don't have any
>>153301051/thread
>>153300097It's really sad that Johns is somehow the best writer out of those three.
>>153300097Johns GL stuff was great up to a pointHis superman stuff was decent as wellTom King obviously Mister Miracle is a classicScott Snyder has never written anything good.
>>153301314>obviously Mister Miracle is a classic
American Vampire is great.
>>153301299>>153301314>Johns GL stuff was great up to a pointI disagree. It never really got good.
why does this old geezer make /co/ SEETHE so much
>>153301404I dislike bald men.
>>153301314>Tom King obviously Mister Miracle is a classicby that time was already old that trick, his only good title is Omega Men due to being the first one with the PSTD stuff.
>>153301314Snyder is better than the other two.
Geoff Johns is the first writer I've ever seen who set up multiple storylines and then did nothing with them. Normally they get lost in a transition to another writer but he was on the book for like 8 years.
>>153300878Consider this: you're defending a subpar Tom King comic.
>>153300097very harsh to compare johns to the other two
>>153300097LolLmaoNo but really, Superman: Last Son and War of the Lanterns were cool.
>>153301299He's not. Snyder is. Low bar but he hobbles over it. Honestly think Johns is the worst by far, can not think of anything he's done that I would consider good
>>153303413name one thing johns has written that is half as bad as heroes in crisis or the human target
>>153303596Post-Infinite Crisis Teen Titans and Avengers are Johns worst works.
>>153303596>that is half as badThis doesn't make sense. You should be judging them by their best works.
>>153303646don't really remember post ic teen titans, was that with ravager joining the team? after conner's meltdown of course>>153303677you should absolutely be judging by both best and worst, and tom king's worst are not only shitty reads, but character assassination
>>153300097>Tom KingI like Strange Adventures and Mister Miracle and I don't care what /co/ thinks.>Scott SnyderHe peaked with The Black Mirror. American Vampire was good too.>Geoff JohnsThe most overrated man in comics. I was the one fan who liked Avengers: Red Zone. I liked his Justice Society. He did more damage to the Titans franchise than any man not named Eddie Berganza. Haven't read his creator-owned stuff.I'd put Hickman, Gillen, and Ewing above these three, personally.
>>153303596Doomsday clock
>>153303812was pretty bad, but I still think hic was worse
>>153303596Green Lantern. Johns wrote like he wanted it to be profound, piling on lore and bullshit and higher and higher stakes, but it came off like a kid smashing action figures together while quoting Alan Moore.
>>153303761>Hickman, Gillen, and EwingSomehow you found 3 worse writers than OP. Bravo.
>>153303812Weak bait. Kys Moorefag.
>>153301390We got a free thinker here guys.
>>153303136A few he definitely dropped. Cowgirl meant nothing in his run era. She was just developed enough for that to feel weird.But this? This I think was just laying out interesting oddities as world building/bait for other writers.
>>153303903That sounds more like Snyder than Johns.
>>153304046Tell me what's good about it without bringing up the character/franchise's popularity or sales.
>>153303761>He did more damage to the Titans franchise than any man not named Eddie Berganza. Marv Wolfman says hello.
God this was pretentious crap. You can just smell the smug coming off this as he thought this was the most clever line ever.
>>153303938Not really. I only read Johns, King, and Snyder because I'm a characterfag and they write characters I like.I read Hickman, Ewing, and Gillen because I like their writing.East of West, Black Monday MurdersWe Only Find Them When They're Dead DIE, WicDiv, Phonogram, Power Fantasy...
>>153301404He’s taking up work that could be given to younger writers.He’s a silver age fanboy and emulates the silver age despite the silver age era of DC being more accessible than the late 80s/early 90s era of DC.
>>153304097Snyder rips off Morrison, not Moore.
>>153304172Morrison rips off Moore, tho...
>>153304259Very early on in his career Morrison was definitely aping Moore a bit, but he found his own author's voice pretty quickly.
>>153304097The biblical symbolism of the emotional entities was nonsensical.
>>153305071I was exaggerating, but Morrison was constantly addressing things in Moore's comics, as if challenging him, something I noticed Johns did as well. The second he stopped, Morrison's comics turned to shit. Whether he likes to admit it or not, Moore was a valuable muse for Morrison.
>>153300097I'm not too into comics, but all I see is hatred towards every single writer.So my question is what are some good modern writers?
>>153305618All the good writers in American comics are retired, dead, or became bad writers. When mediocre or gimmicky writers like Tom King pop up, desperate comic fans and newbies eat them up.
>>153303938Gillen wasn't THAT bad, I think...>>153304157What's the advantage of younger writers? Any of them been making anything good?
>>153305895In Young Avengers he managed to turn Prodigy and Ms. America gay, Noh-Varr and Hawkeye (Kate) queer-ish, and reminded everyone that norse loki is a genderfluid weirdo that fucks animals.Most of them came out of it okay, but it kinda ruined Prodigy forever. He went from Academy X's Batman to a YASSSified token trotted out for gay pride specials.
>>153300097>>153303761>>153303938I'd put these six under a big list of cape writers to never bother with. Unless you're the type of reader that just reads comics because they exist, you really don't get much from these guys if you're into the genre.
>>153300097I'm reading Black Mirror right now, and I don't really like the way Snyder writes. But it's holding up better than what of I've read from the other two.
>>153303903GL is good but yeah the lore is more interesting than the writing itself
>>153303938Only /co/ hates them Hickman and Ewing are considered top writers by most people
>>153307485So is Tom King, anon.
>>153307531For good reasons his Supergirl book was magical
>>153307557It's a polished turd, like all his other comics.
>>153300097Don't bother.
>>153301299No he isn't
No one currently writing for the big two is anywhere near being one of the greatest writers in comics
>greatest writers in comics>No Pat Mills >No Alan Moore >No Roy Thomas
>>153308148This is the full list. Alan Moore is on it.
>>153308491King is great when he isn't trying to be Moore.Snyder is good at writing thriller action that appeals to both shonen addicts and hardboiled enjoyersJohns is a hack but he did write some good stories
The ones that made them stars before people got sick of them. Grayson, Detective Comics, and Wally West Flash.
>>153301404>boomer>autistic >ginger>simps for blacks and trannies>epitome of "fictional character agrees with me" mentality
>>153301404He doesn't like Trump or MAGA, that's enough to trigger right wing and "apolitical" chuds.
>>153308935All wrong.
>>153309867ill never understand people who hate Waid more than Tom King
>>153308935>Johns is a hack but he did write some good storiesname them
>>153300097Heroes in Crisis is a must-read because it is proof that King is complete dog shit, but it isn't 100 fucking issues long like his Batman run.
>>153309867It's more than that. He goes after people he disagrees with. He tried to fuck over Richard C Meyer. And he's just generally an asshole.
>>153306225Well I'll be a monkey's uncle, I remembered Gillen from before Marvel went FULL woke.Also I thought Noh-Varr was already gay and Kate Bishop fooling around with girls just sounds hot, but I'm not familiar with either.>>153307485That tells a lot about why we prefer to talk about comics here. It may sound weird, but there's some standards here and shilling doesn't catch on as bad.
>>153300097King - Sheriff of Babylon, Visions, Mr. Miracle, Omega Men, Supergirl: Woman of TomorrowSnyder - Animal, Batman New 52, Black MirrorJohns - Everything GL, Aquaman and JL relatedGreat thread for three of modern DC's honored writers
>>153310505bait
>>153310169Neither of then are very good, but I could see why people would dislike one more over the other.
>>153310497Gillen's the smarter, more-honest kind of woke.
>>153303646>Avengers are Johnshis avengers it is the last good avengers run.NUFF SAID.
>>153312413I wonder if there are Kelsey waifufags that would fight you on that.
>>153311494>but I could see why people would dislike one more over the other.so everyone who hates Waid is MAGA? while King supporters also are?
>>153312710Someone who likes storytelling gimmicks and depressing stories would prefer King, while someone who likes reminiscing about old capes and more standard superhero action/adventure would prefer Waid.
>>153301361Ehhhh, it was just okay before the whole Beast arc then it proceeded to shit the bed hard. Also it was carried hard by the art>>153304154We Only Find Them When They're Dead was fucking terrible, same for Wicked + Divine just the gayest shit imaginable. Die was alright and I liked Power Fantasy until the complete copout that was last issue.
>>153308935>King is great when he isn't trying to be Moore.When he's not aping Moore he just does the same bullshit PTSD story for every goddamn character he gains control of.
>>153312883>he just does the same bullshit PTSD story for every goddamn character he gains control of.Could you show the PTSD part of his Supergirl book?
>>153312976Wow, a single exception sure makes up for Omega Men, Vision, Mr. Miracle, Batman, Human Target, and Heroes in Crisis
>>153303413Snyder is in the same boat as someone like Cates. He's a terrible writer who knows normies and retards like Big Thing and writes that. It does't make him good at anything except exploiting retards. Congratulations, you're on the same level creatively as Todd McFarlane.
>>153313006You said "every goddman character" and half of the books you metioned are the ones where King is trying to be Moore
>>153301404>Mark Millar's ghostwriter
>>153312869>We Only Find Them When They're Dead was fucking terrible, same for Wicked + Divine just the gayest shit imaginable. Die was alright and I liked Power Fantasy until the complete copout that was last issue.Nta being a contrarian doesn't make you look smart it actually has opposite effect.Same goes for this post >>153313023
>>153312976Doesn't she drink because she has survivor's guilt?
>>153312976You mean the book where Kara has PTSD over Krypton's destruction and they decide to send the villain into centuries of reform and then murder him when he's repentant over his actions because they're still PTSD-afflicted over what he put them through?
>>153313155That stuff is only brought up at the end of the book and you know it
>>153313155Just realizing I don't remember shit about this book except the parts ripping off True Grit.
>>153313191The book opens with Kara sloppy drunk on her birthday because she's sad about Krypton.
>>153301404He's a fat bitch and I could rape him easily
>>153313249The book opens with Ruthye planning her revenge, Krypton isn't even mentioned
>>153304141>u can just smell the smug coming off this as he thought this was the most clever line ever>YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE REFERENCES
>>153305895Dan Watters is okay
>>153313136>HURRRRRR YOU'RE JUST A CONTRARIANI genunely believe that people like Snyde, Hickman and Ewing are bad writers. Contrarian implies him doing it to get a reaction when I'm not, I earnestly and honestly feel this way. If I'm contrarian it's only in my utter confusion as to how so many people can be fooled into thinking absolute shitters like these are good writers and the realization that a lot o people are really, really fucking dumb and are easily impressed.
>>153308935>King is greatNigga what
>>153313326Read between the lines.
>>153300097None of any of their comics are what I'd consider "must read". Nearly all of their comics events are better absorbed by reading a Wikipedia article over actually reading the comics, and none of their art are at the level at which I would suggest buying a comic purely for the visual spectacle. I feel that way about most comics nowadays though, to be fair.
>>153300097Forget these hacks.You want to read the masterworks by EVS, Rippa and Ya Boi Zack (before the plunge).
>>153313360>Read between the lines.How about you read fucking book? the whole thing is told from the perspective of an older Ruthye, it's her story not Kara's.Even if it wasn't the trauma caused by the destruction of Krypton has been an integral part Kara's character since the early 2000s it has nothing to do with King
>>153313460Why double down? You're clearly wrong. Anon is posting proof from the comic itself.
>>153313346It must be sad to dislike anything that's popular just to feel special
>>153310385King's best comics are proof enough that he's a dogshit writer.
>>153313492>Why double down?Maybe because I actually read it? unlike you I don't let strangers on /co/ dictate my opinions over a wriiter I didn't like King's Batman and I think Heroes In Crisis was pretentious but Supergirl was great
>>153313500The current groupthink is hating Ewing for Venom. If anything, liking him is the contrarian take.
>>153313543You're not very good at reading, then.
>>153313460So this is the average King fan huh, a person who can't read subtext and who needs everything spelled out explicitly.
>>153313551yeah they hate it so much it has good reviews on every site https://www.goodreads.com/series/434862-venom-by-al-ewing
>>153313571>>153313598>You don't remember this specific panel from a story you read years ago that means you need to learn how to read betterFuck off both of you, doesn't change the fact that it's Ruthye story
>>153313732Even some of the 3/4 star reviews are mostly negative in their write-up. This is a rather poor example.
>>153313834>Even some of the 3/4 star reviews are mostly negativeI knew you were going to say something dumb like that /co/ntrarians never disappoint
>>153313909These definitely sound like the voice of happy people.
>>153313974>Cherry picks 2 reviews to push his dumbass argumentSad, the sexcond comment even says that Ewing is a good writer.I'm tired of this debate I've more important things to do
>>153314060Why are you people so allergic to proof?
>>153314060kek I wrote sexcond
>>153313818The issue isn't not remembering, it's arguing even when the panels are posted in the thread.And Post-Loeb Kara didn't have PTSD, she was just rebellious. New 52 Kara didn't have it either, she was just angry over the series of misfortunes she kept experiencing. Binge-drinking-to-cope Kara is an invention of King's.
>>153300097>The Greatest Writers in ComicsPlease.
>>153313136There's nothing contrarian about saying those books are extremely gay, they quite literally are. You can like gay shit all you want, I on the other hand do not care for fags.
>>153315019This. Homophobic, but not contrarian.
>>153313500I've hated most of these writers for longer than they've ever been popular.
>>153300097Would it hurt so much to put "super hero" before comics in the title?
>>153308148Fucking Roy Thomas?
>>153308491I kinda get why fans and established magazines/news outlets prop up lesser newcomers, but it's the fucktarded way of doing things.
>>153315685Not the greatest but I'd say his Avengers was pretty good, better than Stan's.
>>153316046No one in the image is a newcomer at all
>>153300097>Geoff JohnsFlashpointThe Shazam story that was part of the New 52 Justice League run.
>>153316177When King was all the rage, around the time he started, I noticed fans would put down people like Moore, Miller, and Morrison to prop him up. Similar things happened with Lemire before that, Mark Russell and Deniz Camp after. It did happen with writers who had been in it for a while, like Warren Ellis and Al Ewing, but not for as long as the big names, obviously.
>>153300097Bro, why are you doing this?
>>153317136why not
>>153317136ragebait is the only way to get a legitimate comics thread on the comics board that has more than 30 replies
>KingBatman/Fudd>JohnsFinal Crisis: Rogue's RevengeGreen Lantern Rebirth, GLC: Recharge and then GL up to and including Sinestro Corps War.>SnyderBlack MIrror. I liked Zero Year (both the Red Hood and Riddler stories) but I don't think most people did.
The genuine best writers in comics for me are probably:Darwyn CookeDenny O'NeilFrank MillerMike Carey
>>153300097>Hitler, Mussolini, and the Japanese nigga
>>153318045Darwyn Cooke is alright. To me, Denny O'Neil is middle-tier. I have never enjoyed any of his comics save for maybe his Ra's Batman stuff with Neal Adams.Frank Miller stopped being good during the 90s, partway through Sin City and Martha Washington, but before this period he's still one of my favorites.The only Mike Carey comic I've read is part of his Hellblazer, which wasn't very good. Can't really judge him based on that.
>>153318275Do you fuckers like anyone's work?
>>153318435Don't ask questions, just hate current product and get angry about new product.
>>153318435I said Frank Miller up to about the late 90s. There's Alan Moore. Select works from different writers.
>>153317953sad
>>153317953happy
>>153318435Fandom is inherently toxic and devolves into anti fandom, /co/ is the most extreme espression of that.
>no mention of JSA
>>153307240I just finished The Black Mirror. It was okay. I would have preferred on or the other artist to draw the whole thing, leaning more toward Francavilla. Jock drew nice covers and buildings. Better than anything I've read from King and Johns, at least.
>>153304154Sounds like a you problem. Sounds like you just have bad taste.
>>153300097Is /co/ finally coming around and accepting that King's stuff is actually kino?
>>153321165I think Kinghate is stronger than ever.
>>153313155If there's anyone deserving of actually having PTSD, it would be Supergirl.
>>153308148Fucking House Roy? Are you fucking kidding me?
>>153318275Love Carey. Also love Spurrier. Love Ram V. And sometimes Priest.
>>153313136Nta but calling Gillen and Ewing great while shitting on Snyder IS the contrarian take. Be better.
Johns doesn't get enough hate for fucking-up She-Hulk.
>>153313330>>YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE REFERENCESThis isn't a reference it's a title drop. And the whole book is filled with crap like this. King thinks he's coming up with mantras and EPIC MOMENTS but it's all just superficial trash. No wonder reddit eats this shit. It's just posing for pages to be posted out of context.
>>153318045Best writers to me would be Alan Moore, Morrison, Mignola, Spiegelman, Dan Clowes, Pekar, Charles Burns, Dave Sim, Jaime and Gilbert Hernandez.
>>153321209What did you think of Spurrier's Shadow?
>>153315685>>153321202I like Roy Thomas so he's on my list of the best. cope.
>>153321209Carey is inconsistent. Spurrier is too up his own ass. V is mediocre as fuck. Priest is downright bad.
>>153321165No reasonable person thinks King is kino. It may be baffling at first that /co/ of all places has the right opinion about him, but then you find out it's mostly for the wrong reasons.
>>153321165Tom King can only write about 3 things.War Crimes.The Bush Administration.Mommy Issues.
>>153312403The hackiest of hack. This bald retard embodies everything wrong with modern media, he's the post irony retard that thinks that this wink wink nudge nudge bullshit in which he writes something retarded and then has a character point out how retarded it is is clever writing.
>>153301051/Thread
>>153321188In Tom King's head canon. No one ever said "Supergirl is too unrealistic, she should be depressed all the time" for the decades she wasn't that kind of character.
>>153321528Yep
>>153313460>How about you read fucking book?King fans, this is your mindset.
>>153301427What about Peter David?
>>153324035He had hair on the inside.
>>153324356kek
