>‘Smiling Friends’ director David Hootselle has announced his original animated pilot ‘Shortage Electric.’>Starring Zach Hadel as Jerry>The client, Gianni Matragrano as Phil >The big green-shirted guy, and Eloediel as both Watt and Qtip, the robots!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzJSm4pywO4Will (You) be watching? I'm not very optimistic about this.
didn't laugh once during the pilot trailer. bad omen.
>>153311893is this what they snubbed adult swim for
Was not expecting this at all
>>153311936>snubbedThey're going to continue to work at [as] obviously. Probably ar first doing some channel bumpers with ZAM.
>>153311893Gianni's voice for a main character kinda sux.It wasn't that funny, the least flaccid joke was the robot using concrete scraping noises to zip forward like a statue. A literal youtube gmod joke.
>>153312030These youtuber voice actors are terrible. Whenever they speak you are always aware that its a person talking into a mic instead of a character inside of a world.
>>153311893>2,572 Days>7 years
>>153311893>Gianni Matraganodropped
>>153311893This is what you all wanted. You hated the industry and now you get low budget, poorly written YouTube indie animationsNo refunds
>>153312997>No refundsBut I didn't pay anything. Also, I'm choosing neither. I've taken the chinkpill.
>>153312997It's hilarious how some people thought they'd be able to get industry quality writing and acting with indie stuff.You might get good animation since that's the Creator's specialty but beyond that it's a coin toss
>>153313060>industry quality writingI'd argue most of it's about the same. Acting is definitely a coin toss though
Eh, this isn't that bad. Not sure why there's ire towards this
>>153313105Anons hate nearly any indie cartoon because of "it should have been me" syndrome The actual quality comes second in consideration
>>153313137>Anons hate nearly any indie cartoon because of "it should have been me" syndromeMost of us don't work in animation or aspire to work in animation so how could that possibly be true?Maybe we just hate stuff that sucks.
Zach shows up in too many things now, I'm getting a bit bored of his voice. He was even in the Cas Gnome pilot the other day.
>>153313166You don't have to work in animation to dream of making a cartoonAlso explain why this sucks
>>153313105People here hate every indie cartoon that isn't space kingMost anons only like a very specific type of cartoon really (big action with male leads)Not that there's anything wrong with that, I like SK
>>153313317The post I was replying to was about "nearly any indie cartoon" but suddenly you want to move the goalposts around just this one?Suck a fart out of my ass, you disingenuous faggot.
>>153313355>He can't explain why this cartoon sucks>He just hates it
>>153311893>GianniI can not stand the baggage that man brings with him.
>>153313399I don't hate it. Seems fine. And I'm glad Zach is leveraging his fame with normies to give attention to less popular animators.Whats up with the weird projection on display in >>153313137? Did you flunk out of art school recently or have these sour grapes been brewing up for awhile?
>>153313137You know what, yeahI fucking hate looking at these indie shows created by people with connections and moneyI flat out can't watch themMeanwhile I'm working a dead end job trying to animate my projects "on the side" (this doesn't work btw, you need to devote full time to an animated project)My shit is amateur and I hate looking at it. I wish I could hire co-writers, animators, voice actorsBut I can't because I wasn't chosen by the animation godsFuck you, fuck this pilot, fuck Zach Hadel, fuck vivziepop, fuck Speedoru, fuck Flashgitz, fuck gooseworx, fuck glitch, and fuck me for replying
>>153313105Yeah it looked fine, the teaser looked more like establishing a premise rather than a sizzle reel of jokes. I'm not big on Gianni but he fits the role fine. I saw his name and went "Please god don't let it be his screamy bit" and it wasn't.
>>153312028*is this what they used adult swim as a springboard to launch their boutique studio for
>>153313416>THEY COME INTO OUR HOUSE!>SUCK OUR DICKS!>AND CALL US GAY!
>>153313455Grow a pair, fag
>>153313105No one here is ever happy with anything
>>153313519I've been growing a pair for most of my adult life and it has gotten me nothingHard work that doesn't pay off. I work 12 hours days 6 days a week and I can barely afford my goddamn studio apartment. I have no friends or family and my animation aspirations are fruitless I'm gonna start neeting and leeching off of society
>>153311893>AS’ strategy for the next five years is “put Zach in front of a mic and have him do the funny gremlin voice”Exciting
>>153313445Anons are quick to project that assumption in cartoon threads but I never really see it in the comic threads. Not sure where it comes from, TV?
>>153313455Based and same
>>153313105A real answer is that for like 2 decades how this kind of art style, animation, and humor has been heavily associated with lowbrow online animations. Stuff that's fun but also cheap and not worth being taken seriously, while also holding the concept of a "real show" to a higher standard mainly based off the best of the best from the 90s and 2000s.Its kinda like how you can look at a modern writer and see that they never properly unlearned their fanfiction sensibilities and how it negatively affects both their work.I know its obvious in relation ot the thread to bring up Smiling Friends but that is a "online" style brought up to "show" level sensibilities. Shortage Electric is still to close to something one could of seen for free on Newgrounds circa 2012 for it to to feel right giving it the Show treatment.
>>153313094Nah, anons think it's the same but there's a difference between the trained writers on shows vs some bloke on YouTube.Many anons think anyone can just get up and write a good script but you have to be a very specific type of person. You think anyone here can write something on par with classic Simpsons (or even s11-18 tier)? I have never seen a good piece of writing from someone who wasn't actively trained for it or has decades of experience
>>153313630Comics are seen as a smaller, older, more ossified industry where you don't expect new people to pop up that often, while animation despite it all is seen as a young persons game (mostly due to lack of job security outside of film animation but I digress) with a lot of movement and churn leading to the assumption that someone engaging with the industry is more likely to be around.
>>153313722That's a good thing, though. I like old newgrounds shit so this is right up my alley
>>153313105Everyone is a critic. You should never take online opinions seriously
>>153313105It's just bland looking.
>>153311893Do anons here like ANY indie cartoon that isn't Space King or Sublo? Seriously, link some that you actually like
>>153313767I think the biggest difference is that online animators lack the same level of timing and pacing combined with joke density.And so rely more on erratic snap actions to convey humor.
>>153313785And that's fair in the same way one can like fanfiction.But you understand why someone wouldn't want fanfiction type writing in the TV show they watch right?
>>153313864This isn't tvIndie is never going to be tv
>>153313557K, fag
>>153313883NTA but this is why the blurring of industry and indie has been a disaster Industry shit should stay on tv, amateur shit stays on YouTube and newgrounds
>>153311953So that's what happened to Robot Jones.
>>153313849i like space king and sublo
>>153313722Smiling friends was very amateurishly written and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't Zach can't write an actual episode ending to save his life and relies on either abruptness or random shit happeningAlso trying to do B plots in 11 min episodes is insanely dumb
>Smiling friends but for electrician As a electrical apprentice who has never used his cert, this might be my kind of show.
>>153313966It was funny, deal with it.
>>153313849murder drones
>>153314097I love how you can't actually refute my claim Something can be funny and amateur at the same time
>>153313849Bird Auditionshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNPBXUAOrBy6ZnCTObGJtsVUH_a_Q01QnHyper Breakershttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTuHIMY95apfWDkVhXhh_5omRUumbxW9lI don't care for Space King
>>153313630>I never really see it in the comic threads.Majority of industry artists see comics as a lesser art medium to animation unless they know they can use it as a backdoor pilot to animation.
>>153314457Comics are a lesser medium Literally no one reads them
>>153314457What a dick
>>153313030sauce of this pic?Also that pilot in OP; not really feeling it outside of the animation, and even that feels a bit tryhard.
>>153314696No. 7 West Mars Street.
>>153313557living alone is living life on hard mode dude, you gotta join a polycule and rent an apartment with like 3 other people to live a decent life
>>153314725thanks
>>153314766Also followup question: Does anyone have the show? I don't want to join bilibili to see them. And I don't know if they even have them now.
>>153314847You can watch it on herehttps://www.viki.com/tv/40615c-no7-west-mars-street#episodesDon't have any treasure maps for you matey, sorry.
>>153314873Well fuck. I was hoping someone had like a MEGA or some non-subscription way of watching the episodes after episode 6. I ain't paying for this shit when I have things like rent to take care of.
>>153313849All the ones I liked are either dead or old. Nobody on /co/ discusses those shows. When's the last time we had a Big Lez thread? Have you seen a single soul discuss the likes of Gundarr, Cat-Man, or Deep Space 69 around here once? Happiness and Cyanide, for well over a decade now, has released weekly shorts and full length anthology episodes, but nobody here discusses a single one of them. Then you get stuff like Becky Prim or LGG which develops a following but burns out fast when the pilots fail to catch on.
>>153314473Stfu.
>>153314457>>153314473How come more pilots arent just glorified storyboards like J.G. Quintel's pilots were? Seriously, why blow so much time and money on a single outing when the pilot should just be a "demo" for a grander end result?
>>153314457Brandon got the last laugh lmao, he should drop a reply if Kyle’s FB is still up
>>153314457What a rude fuckin' reply
>>153315166>Big LezMan I have seen Lez threads before and they all die at like sub-50 posts.
>>153313849>>153314118Murder Drones is a lot of fun. Especially if you like supernatural eldritch autism and dark sci fi. I enjoyed it quite a lot while it was still running.https://youtu.be/xIebUcOxkMg?si=zdGCSd44XKCd2_2D
>>153311953>Cartoon Network’s treatment of robot based shows (minus Robotboy)
>>153313519>>153313918>>153315185I made these posts and by the way I'm transgender.
>>153315521This shot is so fucking cool
>>153313849Anons really just hate any indie cartoon with the word pilot in its title (at least if it never has a followup) If most of these "shows" stopped pretending they're on tv, anons would subconsciously be more lenient on themI don't even blame the creators, this is what happens when the actual, proper industry collapses. People were nowhere near as picky over 2000s-2010s internet cartoons because no one, not even the creators, expected them to stack up against real showsSK and Sublo are some of the few indie cartoons that have more than one or two installments
>>153313519Get a new material sperg
>>153315185Gtfo
>>153313918K, sperg
>>153313455Checked and pretty much the reality for every aspect. No matter what you do, if you want opportunities your family better have money and LE CONNECTIONS. If not:>MUH JOBSYou work for the dumbest Boomers alive and will be asked to do impossible taks. Get laid off for jeets/AI and you'll never get a job again.>MUH SCHOLARSHIPS TO COLLEGE (USA)Nepo-baby grants. At best you can pay off 10% over your 4 years in college>MUH CONNECTIONSYou will kiss every ass and sell your soul. Yes. You WILL be on an SSRI of some kind to cope. Maybe several!
>>153313105See>>153313722>>153316859Calling something a pilot means your going to treat it as a TV Level ProductionIf your work looks like it could of been on Golden Age Newgrounds treat it like a Newgrounds project, because we will.
>>153313455>>153316939>le connections are badhow the FUCK are people supposed to work with/for you on your le special indie project if they dont know you?is the hope that they just see your work and realize your greatness?obviously people will choose to work and hire people they know over randoms on twitter
>>153316859I think calling it a pilot is really done to boost your stuff in the algayrythim I know this because I did the same knowing goddamn well I had no intention on it being a TV show. It showed up in search results and got a good amount of views because of it
>>153317133I have come to the conclusion that a good chunk of people /here/ across all boards due to their lackluster social skills want every art/animation team to be made by the project head looking over a universal database of portfolios and then going "yes! artist #4763970 would be perfect for my project lets hire them" with no regards to any personal matters or interactions.
>>153317550Anons here have little to no clue how animation is made in general. It's actually astonishing how little they know about animation production.Reminds me of Mr Enter who thought he knew enough about making a cartoon so he made a Kickstarter for 350k. He had no team or studio in mind prior and just expected to get studios to make tests for him. He also expected to be able to sustain this all via patreon afterwards.
>>153317827All of /co/ knowledge comes from instances of single accomplished animators working on single scenes back during the cel era and the mid-2010s boarding culture info given by the people who made Steven Universe on their tumblrs.Even just trying to explain the difference between Boarder and Writers Room Driven shows is a pain unless they are a slapstick only autist that makes it into a culture war.
>>153311893Don't like the eye gimmick thing they're going for.Don't like how it feels over-animated.Don't like how close to Smiling Friends the setting is.Don't like how certain jokes feel very "YouTube Editor" type of comedy.But hey I'll watch it and formulate my thoughts then. Can't be worse than Day Job or Monkey Wrench.
>>153313849I like Bridge Kids. The creator/s have a show, Jake Renaissance, on that [AS] "test the waters" program. Personally I didn't like that one as much.https://youtu.be/DPPfYPwVOVw?si=yeY5yc6TGtFdR1sPhttps://youtu.be/_cySyYVQizY?si=eG-daQM7QMYo4_DY
>>153318154What's wrong with Day Job?
>>153318289NTA, it's not very funny.
It kind of reminds me of all the things people who don't like Smiling Friends complain about. So far I'm unimpressed, but it might just be a bad trailer so I'm willing to give it a chance when it comes out.
>Introducing... Smiling Friends 0.5lol
>>153318289Not that anon but it's just boring and unfunny, it really over relies on "realistic" dialogue to be entertaining when the actors don't have the skills to do it well. And I feel like the show doesn't lean into being a cartoon, you could make it live action and absolutely nothing would change. I see why it wasn't picked up by a network.
>>153318508Yeah, took a look at it, and the only thing that really makes it a cartoon is the art style. This could have worked with live action with few other changes.
>>153314457After reading the other replies in this thread it seems like the animation industry just drives people insane whether they make it in or not
>>153312997This is great actually. I'm pleased with this outcome. I hope the industry as a whole collapses and it's just indies.
>>153313557Have you been networking? Not even proper networking events, but have you been hanging out on Discords/forums dedicated to big-name animators and talked about your stuff?
>>153313849Punch punch forever was pretty funSpooky MonthI also liked Retarded Animal Babies and Blockhead, I wish they would do more of those.
>>153318729Blockhead was so good. What happened to The Swain? Is he still tied up in Madness Combat projects to this day?
>>153313455>This guy again Has someone given you a name? I swear I see some variation of "WAH, I WORK AT WALMART AND I HOPE ALL THESE YOUNGER ARTISTS FAIL BECAUSE THEY ARE LIVING MY DREAM" constantly and it reeks of it coming from 1 specific bitter schizo
>>153313105the tangential links to SM combined with the timing of the drop = SM DIED FOR THIS???but also it doesn't seem that good either.
>>153318811Wish I knew.
>>153313455You fucking retard. How are you going to create any kind of cartoon show if you don't meet people, make connections, and create a team? Not everyone is an antisocial schizophrenic sperg like you. And even antisocial spergs can do it, but you're so pathetic that you can't even do the bare minimum.Based autists like Liam Vickers went from writing autistic creepypasta waifu fics, making his own music, to making his own cartoon animatics, to working up enough connections for Glitch to offer to produce a show for him that he'll show run - way back when Glitch started their indie cartoon push with Murder Drones. You will never accomplish your dreams being a deluded, pessimistic basement dweller.
>>153318289As the other posters have stated, it's just not funny. It's been a long time since I've watched the episodes, and I no longer have access to my long detailed post about it. But to put it simply, it doesn't take advantage of being a cartoon, and the characters are extremely bland. It's very easy to "fix" Day Job, just staple actual funny/exaggerated and dynamic characteristics to the characters. Just put something like Mission Hill beside it and you'll notice it immediately.What can you tell me about the characters in DJ? You have the main boy, who's poor, but not enough that it interferes in his life or is funny. He's a stoner, but not A stoner, so it's not stoner funny and it once again doesn't add anything to his character. What about the main girl? Well she's in a relationship with main guy, we didn't see it start and it seems it's mostly a sex thing that basically happens off-screen. They have a fight, but it's resolved in the same episode. And their dynamic is simply that, they kind of dig eachother and have sex. They don't hate one another but bang, they're not obsessed with one another, they're just a fling and it adds nothing. She's also studying law, I think? But that was only used in the same episode it was introduced, for a bit that went too long. The Boss man is a worse version of the Boss in Mission Hill, I assume it's made worse because DJ is afraid of actually making him a terrible guy or too afraid to make him the stereotypical greedy Greek man. Then I think you have a girly girl, which I don't remember much of, I think she does small talk with the other girl and complains about work?! And to end it you have the 2 comedic relief idiots, who are not used to their potential and often absent from most episodes, there was something else about them that bothered me but I don't recall. In the end, they're all too similar with their blandness, and they lack any sort of animosity to one another. They all like eachother including the Boss.
>>153319943Also a show set in Australia, with Australian characters, and not a single "cunt" was uttered.>>153319831Even Zach built it up slowly. Have people forgotten how long ago Hellbenders came out? And that it was rejected by [AS] iirc? The connections he made started by linkin' up with other Newgrounds creators who were basically just shitposting online.
>>153319943>>153318289Dude's ruining the show's art style in real time
>>153314118>>153315521>lmao directly verbally pointing out the tropes at play every other sentenceCouldnt get past like 5 minutes of the pilot fuck that dime a dozen mid 2010s le self aware slop. I thought the writing would at least make up for how dogshit the visuals are. People who hate TADC should direct their ire towards Murder Drones, it actually deserves it for doing what TADC gets criticized for at an actually invasive and, ironically, non self aware level.
>>153319943>they lack any sort of animosity to one another. They all like eachother including the Boss.This is definitely a problem I've seen in indie stuff but even things from big studios. Writers are afraid to have their characters be mean to each other, but when every ones nice its really boring and unrealistic. Even the nicest person you know who gets along with everyone has someone they don't like.
>>153320306You're judging an entire show purely on the pilot, overall it's not nearly as bad as you're trying to make it out to be.The pilot is obviously the weakest part but the rest of the episodes are far superior. Give it an actual try instead of shitting yourself and trying to tribalfag with TADC because of one quirkychungus line.
>>153320336Yeah, cuz then you'll have the intelligent cartoon critic community coming out with cries of >mean spirited!!!This is why I feel most conflicts in modern cartoons, both indie or otherwise, feel hollow.
>>153320306>"I watched 5 minutes of the weakest episode very early on in the show's production, this entire show sucks and I'm not going to watch it"Well that sucks for you. Murder Drones is kino and you're filtering yourself by being assmad over some small cringe lines in the pilot episode before the show starts finding its feet.
>>153320306>using "slop" unironically>just saying you didn't even watch itBasically just outing yourself as a retard with a pointless opinion. I haven't even seen this show and your post is dumb.
>>153320306It's a good show. Seems like you've got some weird deep seated feelings about people shitting on TADC for being a quirky therapy show. Murder Drones has some quirky humour as well, especially the pilot, but you haven't even watched it so this complaining makes no sense. If you don't like it then whatever but immediately dismissing shit as "slop" because people like it is the height of being a conceited faggot.
>>153320336It certainly doesn't fit the scenario of >dead end job with teens/young adultsEven Nickelodeon shows understood that. And it's not like they need to hate eachother; an example I remember giving was the anime Osomatsu-san. A series following 6 brothers, each with very distinct personality traits, who are always backstabbing one another and getting on eachothers nerves. But y'know, they still love their brothers.
>>153320306Yet another example in the wild of a TADC fanboy directing his seethe towards Murder Drones when people praise MD at allLikely because you're insecure about whatever complaints you've seen about TADC and you cope by overexaggerating about the sibling show from the same producers instead of enjoying shows in a vacuum without bias Many such cases, you seem like a miserable person who can't enjoy new things apart from your current hyperfixation
You faggots have Godawful taste. Day Job is kino and the OP cartoon looks alright too
>>153320601Unfortunately /co/ has a lot of seething failed artists that need to project their loathing onto other things. Just how it goes. >>153320306>DURR SLOPPPPStfu spastic, actually watch cartoons at least before you bitch about them.
>>153320601Most anons here only like two types of cartoons, action shows (including but not limited to 80s toy centric types) and overtly whacky looney tunes type shows
>>153320615Someone's projecting
>>153320637>I'M NOT PROJECTING YOU'RE PROJECTINGStruck a nerve eh?
