So is it true? Andy Park was the dude responsible for all those awful marvel costumes over the years? isnt this an actual good thing they got rid of him?
>>153314499On the one hand I don’t understand why these losers thought they’d just have a meal ticket for life. That’s not how the industry works. Plus, like you, I hate all of the MCU designs.On the other hand it’s not like theyre going to hire anyone better and the designers have no real power. It’s like complaining that the painter painted a house pink with orange trim when it’s the homeowner who chooses the colors. Nobody who works in any capacity for the MCU has any sort of latitude.
>>153314499This whole thing stems from a weird hatred/disrespect Hollywood has for superheroes despite relying on them so heavily. The cluttered designs that are meant to be more "grounded" comes from the same place as a lot of the writing, where the idea of superheroes wearing costumes in the first place is made fun of.
>>153314499Superhero costumes don't look good in general, no matter how many embellishments they add.
>>153314764It’s not just that though. You have to understand that due to union obligations they literally NEED to hire designers and if they don’t redesign the things significantly then they have to pay and name the original comic artist. So basically Hollywood has made it so they have to ignore the source material in most cases otherwise they don’t fulfill legal obligations.
>>153314764Wheadon and it's army of leftists hated mythos and pathos of herosim.
>>153315259Wrong, kys.
>>153314499Show me one example of this happening.
>>153316236This fag>>153315259
>>153316191But all of that was in his Avengers movies.
>>153315454>then they have to pay and name the original comic artist.Don't they have to anyways?Or you mean when the suit wasn't designes by the character creator?
>>153316227>>153316347Post 10 examples of superhero costumes that look good in live action.
>>153314499Twenty-some years ago I was watching a behind-the-scenes feature on the X-Men 1.5 DVD where the costume designers are working on the costumes and one of them says something like “this would be so much easier if they were the T-Men”. Years later I see this meme and always wondered if there was a correlation.
>>153316506Boom, bitch
>>153316520>the T-MenJohn should have given them that name.
>>153314764Hollywood has a love-hate relationship with superheroes for a few reasons:>capeshit was pretty much made by working-class Anglos and Jews, the natural enemies of wealthier Anglos and Jews who work in the film industry>capeshit straddles the line between grounded dramatic pulp fiction and fantasy-fairy tale, which makes it have more in common with a cartoon (something normies struggle to emotionally connect to)>for the most part, capeshit was made by and for men, is male-dominated, and isn't really concerned with women's domestic life and the specific type of social maneuvering found in their fiction (so women dislike it)>capeshit is by its nature, extremely libertarian (or outright fascist), which scares Hollywood liberals>a lot of boomers working in Hollywood resent capeshit for stealing the spotlight from trashy comedies and westerns
>>153314499Dude doesn't subscribe to the idea that "less is more." More is obviously more and more is better. Dude probably thinks greeble was a eureka moment from a genius.
>>153314499this tbqh famm. pic related
>>153315454This is one of the reasons why capeshit movies RARELY adapt comic storylines 1:1 and tend to pull from alternate continuity stories, notable events, comic retellings, or film/TV adaptations that loosely adapt storylines. Anything to avoid paying the original creator.It's why Lucasfilm won't really do anything with Star Wars and mine the EU for content because nearly all of the EU creators are alive (which is why they do their best to avoid paying royalties to them).
At the same time I am exhausted of the look, it's not like any given comic costume design is anything to be so fervent about preserving a 100% direct adaptation, I don't care how overblown your fandom is. Executing anywhere along the gradient of "first X-Men movie costumes, absolute dereliction" to "body paint and strongman belt, slavish devotion" in adapting a design to another medium is a matter of taste. And what the actors chosen are willing to wear, in the case for live action film. You have that, and the calculus against the movie-going audience to contend with.So this example of someone's taste in art direction worked well enough that it has now become a shorthand on its own. One that a majority of contemporaries have copied. Andy was savvy to land where he did for the template, it was "good enough" for two decades of slop.But maybe if other previous film ventures did comparable numbers we'd be bemoaning living in an era of nothing but carbon copies of Schumaker's drag and rubber suits instead. You fucking cowards weren't nutting up enough to go patronize that era of film enough, clearly.
>>1533165229 to go.
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>>153316771The effects weren’t that bad and black and white work in live action due to not being flashy colors.
>>153314499Hey lay off the guy, he was just doin' what the executives asked of him.
>>153317069>>153317098>>1533171527 more.
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I liked the flashback costume much more than the main one.
>>153318376>>153318377>>153318458>>1533184716 left.
>>153314499This would be more accurate if the normal one had a mask.
>>153319047>Counting the Fantastic Four as oneAnon, C'mon.
>>153319787Did I?
>>153314764>the protagonist of our movie turns into a big green retard when he gets angry or his heart rate spikes>purple pants are somehow a bridge too farI fucking hate Hollywood's aversion to embrace the weird campy shit that makes superheroes fun. Batman in the latest Reeves movie almost feels out of place being the only one of the four costumed characters who looks anything resembling a preexisting Bat-design; Zodiac Riddler is a fucking terrible design, Catwoman just looks like a normal thief with an ill-fitting burglar mask, and Penguin is just Some Guy.
>>153314764On one hand, I think they deviate too far. On the other, there's a clear issue with adapting a lot of costumes to the screen. It's brightly colored spandex designed for worlds where the artists have complete control over every color, and is then vacuumed sealed onto bodies that are amongst the top end of humanity, or bodies that often break human proportion altogether. Some degree of adaptation is always required.
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>>153320252This suit is sexy as fuck, I also like the third suit a lot but I don't like how it became the template for every other suit. Also, I don't know what Andy Park was thinking with the Quantumania suit
>>153320252>>1533202695 left now.
Marvel Rivals does the exact same shit and I hate it
>>153317069ASM2's suit looked great too... Snug as well...
>>1533199881978's Superman is proof to the contrary, (and to a lesser degree) Sam Raimi's Spider-Man has very few changes aside from raised webbing looking silver from being a too-polished black. Nic Cage Ghost Rider also keeps to the original premise by keeping the biker suit and flaming skeleton.
It's like Anita Sarkeesian designed this herself.
>>153320837Marvel Rival does not in fact look exactly the same as the MCU.
>>153320837It's overdesigned in the chinese way. not the western tacticool outfit way
I don't like any more costumes than the ones that have already been posted in this thread as good examples, because they differ too much from the comics anyway.
>>153314499he designed some of them, but he wasn't responsible, his job was to give the director/feige what they wantbesides, he designed the original kratos
>>153314764>>153316601It's because the concept of caped superheroes is inherently childish, and not in a good whimsical way, more like in the maladaptive antisocial way
>>153322931>Superheroes are fascist!Fuck off Alan.
>>153321545It would be ok, if... You know, she had REAL muscles. But again, female actors can't just pump steroids for half a year before the movie like all the male actors do
>>153321510 Super Sentai had spandex clad heroes for 50 years and they looked great. And then there are all the other non Sentai Tokusatsu that did the same... Including literally Spiderman.
>>153323313How about being woman shaped first. She looks like a fucking fridge.
>>153323331Then it’ll be even easier for her to fit into one!
>>153323578Oh Gail~
>>153323331Can you tell me where you bought your fridge? I might like one of those.
>>153314499so he just becomes Robbie Rotten?
>>153322793Fuck, she was so perfect
>>153322793I think it's fine for human characters with no powers, or if they work with the military, but I would prefer a stark contrast to powered heroes doing their own thing. I hate that Thor already had 'tacticool' options to choose from in the comics, but they decided to use materials that looked like plastic instead of armour.
>>153323623The costume designers for Lazy Town are great tho
>>153321510Hang on a second, 78's Superman was also shot with a color grading, lighting scheme, and general color palette that served to make the suit pop out as unusual without clashing with the world around it and even then, designing the suit to work well was no easy feat, Yvonne Blake herself describe the process as an anxious headache.When it comes to something like the MCU, the real challenge lies in getting all these heroes with all these color schemes and aesthetics to work in tandem to all fit with no one feeling out of place.It's pretty apples and oranges in that particular regard
>>153323329See, but again, Tokusatsu is also a stunt-heavy genre in which the characters move in a very theatrical and operatic way. Even when stationary, the characters are posing or making various gestures with their arms as they speak akin to what you'd see in a live stage show. There are tons of creative sets and special effects with lighting and color grade emphasized . Everything about the visuals of a henshin/sentai tokusatsu is supposed to "pop" and the suits are built to this principle. There's a clear divide where the calmer "day-to-day" always happens out of costume and the characters in-universe are often deliberately putting on a showy act of heroism when they express in costume.In something like the Avengers or Justice League, the moments between action scenes where the characters aren't suited up are typically meant to feel toned down and day-to-day.There are problems with the MCU type costumes and they can get overdone as hell, but what you're asking for also has a huge amount of caveats.
>>153324253Even just this looks fantastic.https://youtu.be/_UXqHxGJBzM?t=900
Ideally a costume looks good, that's sort of the starting point. You want an appealing design for an appealing character. But then you have to consider tone, setting, character, and your costume needs more. In the modern day, for a gritty and moody war story with Captain America, you'd be shooting yourself in the foot if you had him walking around in the ol Red White and Blue pajamas. If you wanted a light hearted, BatB type of campy fun Batman, you wouldn't want him wearing one of his more recent costumes that're edgy and tactical and painful looking. Bringing supers to live action requires keeping everything level, and sure suspension of disbelief is an effective tool but you probably want things to be in-universe realistic. They wanted Spider-Man to have the moving eyes, but also have a homemade costume. They made the homemade one just have goggles, then a high tech one with focusing eyes. Choices like that add up, even if you don't like the Iron Man carry (I don't either). I don't want the movies to be too ashamed of their origins either, you can have your heroes no longer running around in underpants and capes without forcing a script scenario to go "haha how stupid would THAT be?" If you don't level things out though you end up having your serious moments look like picrel.
>>153324421In a studio, a studio that has been lit with a specific camera angle in mind.That's my point. Filming centered around a singular costume is easier to make it look good but the MCU costumes had to be designed around remembering they'd all be sharing a screen.You want a really good example of what I'm talking about? Look up the original Xenomorph costume. It's got a number of notable differences from what it looks like in the movie. You can make out where padding and prosthetic has been added vs where it's just regular fabric. You can make out various workings of the suit and where the different shades of black are. And famously, the head is translucent.It literally only works because of the colossal effort of filming every angle, lighting, and color grading around it, and in recent HD releases, the illusion slips a bit more. Particularly in the scene where its napping before Ripley shoots it into space.This is how movie costumes work. You have to design them not just around how they look but coordinate how they will be filmed. And a shit ton of comic accurate costumes would clash with each other like all hell unless they got streamlined.
>>153316506Literally any that is done right
>>153324594Kill yourself
>>153316601Westerns died long before the capeshit boom
>>153324783I'll consider it if you give me some actual reasoning
>>153323329This, Flashman is peak aesthetics.
>>153321545I bought the action figure of her because it was in clearance and you needed it to build Infinity Ultron and even the toy designers gave her curves that weren't there as an attempt to salvage the design.
>>153324253>>153324375>>153324656Damn, that's a lot of cope I'm not reading.
I have an schizo theory that movie designers do all these shapes and unnecesary lines to fuck with fanartists, lewd and legit the same.
I really like WW2 Cap's outfit but it's hardly a superhero costume
>>153325371Is that image supposed to be some kind of gotcha? You don't think they'd look stupid as hell running around getting in fights and going through drama? Tits aren't everything you know.
>>153324783Kill yourself
>>153323329>Super SentaiI mean, not really a great example given that most of the better looking Sentai outfits aren't just spandex (as you're already showing), and that Super Sentai is oriented much more towards younger audiences. Other tokusatsu then usually forgo straight spandex, with Kamen Rider always having some degree of plastic armor, or Metal Heroes just going all out. >including literally Spider-ManSpider-Man's actually one of the easier ones to give a pass in live-action, as his depiction had shifted to be a lot leaner in the comics over the years, and it's more about the dynamic poses than physique, which the Toei series suit actor did with. Even the colors are usually more passable since he's got one of the most acrobatic and showman-y powersets out there. The man is quite literally a clown.
>>153324375>There's a clear divide where the calmer "day-to-day" always happens out of costume and the characters in-universe are often deliberately putting on a showy act of heroism when they express in costume.>In something like the Avengers or Justice League, the moments between action scenes where the characters aren't suited up are typically meant to feel toned down and day-to-day.So...tokusatsu heroes are superheroes and that means they don't have anything in common with superhero movies?
>>153316488Herosim and pathos in HIS movies? Are you high?
>>153316506I don't care about the drama behind this movie, this suit was amazing to see in action.
>>153316601>(or outright fascist)I see what you did there you sneaky weasel and it's not funny you faggot, how are superheroes fascist?
>>153322931Only because of lefties jerking their waste all over with their intersectional venom.This is the shit that leads to ghouls like Linkara.
>>153323313Not to mention they would fuck up their faces and look like trannies, I ain't even kidding.
>>153324253Then why they NEVER EVEN TRIED? o wait? I know, because whatever they do classic "comic accurate" outfits, THEY. ALWAYS, FUCK, THEM, UP, ON, POR, PUSSE, so they can strawman, and all the retards and fakers can go and say, "well yeah guys c'mon, they have a point you know, somethings don't work on one media mmmkay", but it's all a crock of shit, is like Wheadon secretly hated comic books and wanted to subvert them just for profit.
>>1533253712 of em look nice, don't care about the 3rd, but maybe a tiny bit of texture would be fine, but NO MCU tactikewl bullshit, please.
>>153324656>>153324594>>153324375>>153324253Copium Copium ConGA!Copium Copium ConGA!
>>153327044And MCU was oriented at land whales, $ö¥pods, Horny yet soon to be catladies and coomsoomers, kids don't realize these ain't at all good representations of the mythos and legends that form these characters.
>>153327590If only there and that movie were shot like this photo, you know, like the Burton films were? Heavy white lighting from the sides and maybe heavy shadows as well?
>>153327818Traaaanny Smiiith
>>153327849No human being talks like this
>>153327350Wait shit, I meant to say you often have more toned-down moments where the characters are often in costume.>>153327744Okay, I can actually sum this up.You work at the MCU.You have >Captain America's brightly colored classic costume, made from whatever materials>Black Widow's black leather spy suit>Hawkeye's classic purple outfit with the mask and everything, be it bright or dark.>Iron Man's shining cgi outfit, or hell, combo CGI-practical>Thor's classic outfit, studded, made from whatever materialsNow, figure out the lighting, cinematography and color grade that will make literally all of these work in a single shared shot without clashing with each other too much.And that is before you get them to a point where Winter Soldier, who has always been a bit tacticool, shows up as well as GOTG, Dr Strange's more esoteric flowing outfit, et cetera.I'm not saying the particular MCU style hasn't gotten annoying or that it was the best option but some kind of streamlining between the costumes was absolute necessity because the heroes all have to share shots. And before you post a cosplay photoshoot, filming them in motion, contrasted to backdrops, factors in too
>>153328167>Wait shit, I meant to say you often have more toned-down moments where the characters are often in costume.Okay, so I'll say that's exactly the problem. This is exactly part of the reason why the superhero dual identity thing exists, because most of them are intentionally projecting a theatrical image of heroism while in costume, while going about their day-to-day lives in their real identities. Toned-down moments should be out of costume unless there's a reason otherwise. But these idiots don't understand why real identities and hero identities are separate in the first place, and try to create "solutions" for problems that only exist because of their ignorance.>Now, figure out the lighting, cinematography and color grade that will make literally all of these work in a single shared shot without clashing with each other too much.Older movies had colorful settings and characters all the time and figured all that out just fine. The problem is retards putting in the bare minimum because "we'll fix it in post" (it never gets fixed in post). Again, "solutions" to problems they caused in the first place.
>>153328034>When the bot tries to call someone not human
>>153328167MCU shit is shot and always was shot on fucking video, digital video sure, HD sure, but it was still on fucking video, it would never move or look as good as shot on celluloid, but on top it all, the color grading on this trashy films has always been garbage, let alone the lighting, everything is shot like a goddamn sitcom but with actions, and looks flat.It sure won't fix the garbage writing and mocking tone, but at least give us something pleasent to look.https://youtu.be/v5MZHwyx1rc?si=bUnkKey9wUpxLN_t
>>153328264A lot of older movies were filmed not just with brighter color grading on more colorful sets.Put Black Widow, War Machine, Dr. Strange, and Punisher on that and they'll stick like sore thumbs within the larger composition of a shot.Which is precisely my point. I'm not asking "how do you make comic accurate costume work?"I'm asking "How do you make this wide array of character costumes with vastly different designs that would be made with a large variety of materials all share a screen? What is the specific lighting, color grade, and cinematography that gets this to work?"You pointed to Tokusatsu but the characters in a tokusatsu show are already streamlined to one another when sharing the screen.Costumes in movies are always designed in the mind of how you have to film them, meaning the costumes need to all be streamlined to filming. The bright colorful ones, the darker tacticool ones, and everything in between. All streamlined so they can share shots. If they didn't do that, the composition would clash with itself while the lighting and color departments would get a fucking migraine trying to find out what set-up manages to work for all of them at the same time.This is how live-action films work, it's an extremely technical medium.
>>153327867It's more that that one was earlier in production, and they made the suit even bulkier looking for the final form.
>>153327590Kinda like like he's wearing a garbage bag ngl. Plus I hate the fat bat symbol. What's the point of an animal symbol that doesn't even look like the animal?
>>153328385Okay I'm not gonna lie, yeah that looks way fucking better than the movie proper. Like I'm well aware of the muted grey issue on color grade.But I still can't see something like not doing a degree of streamlining costumes in terms of shades and materials.Also yeah the writing is shit.
>>153328430Toei films mass crossover movies constantly. Sentai crosses over with Metal Heroes. Sentai crosses over with Kamen Rider. All three crossover together. Mass anniversary crossovers happen where literally every Kamen Rider since 1979 all share the screen together. Fucking Inazuman gets in on the action in one of them. There are tons of varied designs with varied materials trying to evoke varied themes, and it all just works visually because they actually took the time to figure it out. This isn't a case where Marvel filmed a bunch of completely different standalone movies and then mashed them all together later, they wanted a shared MCU centered around the Avengers crossover movies from the beginning. So again, this is them fucking up making things work and you inventing excuses for their fuck-ups. No shit live action films are technical, so why is it that a small (relatively speaking compared to other major media companies) Japanese company making toy adverts for kids is able to figure it out when literally the largest movie company on the planet can't? It's just laziness, no other reason.
>You can't just have a whole group in different colored costumes, how would you possibly light it?Just put them in their comic accurate costumes.>But they'll stand out from eachother!Good!
>>153328710>Literally showing costumes that have been designed to streamline with one anotherYou baited me and I'm falling for it
It just still gets me that they did it in the 70s but have failed ever since
>>153328710>Busy movie costume but tasty thighs
>>153328770That's because there's not a lot of examples of a large group of superheroes made comic accurate, both because a franchise has to last long enough to get to that point, and the makers need to have that vision in mind rather than making the MCU style tacticool gear.Just seeing footage of random cosplay groups moving about also makes me think they should just go for comic accuracy.Even Kickass 2 where costumes were intentionally a little crap still looked good with the characters all clustered together..
>>153328838Okay, so on the 1970s.Remember what I said here?>It literally only works because of the colossal effort of filming every angle, lighting, and color grading around it, and in recent HD releases, the illusion slips a bit more. Particularly in the scene where its napping before Ripley shoots it into space.This is where filming really becomes an art form because a lot of shit genuinely looks worse now largely because of technological advancement rather than despite it.You watch a lot of remasters of classic films especially from the 60s and 70s and depending on how much effort was put in, they can look genuinely great or genuinely shit because they were filmed to a technology of the time they came out and what would show in the shot on that technology.Yvonne Brown basically fucking slaved on the '78 costume and making it work both to film and to Reeves physique. The MCU literally uses CGI to remove wrinkles in post which often makes the costumes feel like they aren't even real as a result. Another anon posted modern recreations of the '78 suit showing it still works pretty well on modern equipment, but I get the distinct feeling it's still ultimately something you only could have gotten out of that particular era of film where they'd be both willing to risk how a suit like that could look on camera and willing to go all in on practical without access to CGI in post
>>153328430>Put Black Widow, War Machine, Dr. Strange, and Punisher on thatThe only one that might be wonky is War Machine and that's because it's a metal suit, but you can still make it work. The other three can easily work together in the same shot. You're severely overestimating how much one superhero costume clashes with another superhero costume.
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>>153325710>>1533275903 more let's go!
>>153328964>cope
>>153329015I literally said it works today. Hell, I basically just said "It was only something that could have been made in the 70s because the 70s put way more effort into that kind of stuff since they didn't have the same amount of room to fix it in post".That's largely agreement with your side of things I'd imagine>>153328979The specific context here is a super bright colorful shot but I do see what you mean when those are pretty uniform.What I'm thinking though is like.The materials for a comic accurate Dr.Strange right? Kinda looser fit at the sleeves, needs to have a more esoteric feel to it.Then you get the materials for something like a Black Widow, and that's gonna be like this tight fitting, kinda shiny leather look. It's gonna be a very different material that would have to be shot very differently from whatever you put Dr. Strange in.To me, that kind of thing is where streamlining has to happen.Is the way they added lines to literally everything retarded? Yes. But I can absolutely see why they underwent that concept of figuring out a streamlining between costumes.
>>153329083I mean... I wonder if there aren't really any 70s movies with someone in colorful clothes right next to someone in leather.
>>153329711I don't know about the 70s, but color mixed with leather, off the top of my head, Mystery Men, Kickass, and everything by Tim Burton.
>>153327590I feel like I should like this costume but for some reason it never did much for me
>>153314499They all just want to pull a batman Nolan trilogy where the suits are logical tactical armor colored like the superhero's suit, but it only makes sense for batman since he's a regular guy and his color scheme isn't stupid, especially when the bat symbol lacks the yellow part.
>>153328964>>It literally only works because of the colossal effortWow. It works because they did their job and cared?! Crazy!
>>153328430I understand your point but this mentality leads to MCU costume design problem where they all look the same, are made of the same materials, have the same lines/geometric patterns, all look like the same person made them despite some characters originating from alien worlds, etc.There SHOULD be different colors, tones, materials and otherwise among the costumes because it should be a bunch of weird individual characters coming together, not a bunch of people who go to the same tailor and end up with a bland, homogenized look among them.
>>153331172(nta) characters for sure shouldn't like they all went to the same costumer, but an overarching style should be consistent. Ideally you feel the difference between Iron Man, Ant Man, Spider-Man and Human Torch; you should recognize them as different characters with different backgrounds even if they're all different flavors of Some Jerk In A Suit. If there's too much clash it's more in line with Spider-verse or Who Framed Rodger Rabbit, where if it's unintended it's a distracting difference. I feel like DC would be easier to fuck up with that in mind though. Something like the latest Blue Beetle would be jarring with the newest Superman and, say, Ezra's Flash. They're all a take at a new, "real" look for the costumes, but they convey different realities. With Marvel, honestly, I feel like Guardians of the Galaxy did a lot of cushioning between that feeling of mixed genres in a cast.
>>153331172Whenever they do "classic costumes", the MCU always make them look like shitty Halloween costumes, imagine if these fuckers would design the Batman suit, it would be worse then the 1940s serials suits, and those and the West one at least had the excuse of one being done in the 40s when the sense of mythos haven't yet stabliashed for pop culture and the latter it was an intentional comedy but in good spirits without any cynical type of self awareness or subversion.Doesn't help that whenever the MCU do the classic suits badly, again, ON PORPUSSE, they always out the actors to make dopey faces.
>>153332860When did MCU do classic besides actual Halloween? And Cap's war effort costume?
>>153333259Iron Man?
>>153333259He's probably mostly talking about stuff like the tv shows. They exist for ten seconds and made intentionally bad so the character can say 'Isn't this dumb' and then disregard it forever.
All this fucking thread is proving is that capeshit was never good and only for ugly retards who never get any pussy. Costumes and superpowers are corny ass shit. Just get a gun and shoot rogs.
>>153333500Sure I'll give you a pity (you). What cool, manly, sex-haver adult stuff are you on the Comics and Cartoons board for?
>>153314499end of an era fr
>>153314499You do get they're just gonna use a LLM fed his work right? It's not gonna result in a fundamental change, much less an improvement.
>>153333259Wanda looked SO hot here
>>153335103Very flattering on her Pumpkins but then Vision got the shaft.
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>>153333259>>153335245A complete refusal to ever be 'camp' has always been my biggest gripe with the MCU. Even dumber considering they'd always inject into each film and series too. As far as Andy Park and the rest of the visual development team goes, though, I do feel bad for them.
>>153337906>*Even dumber considering they'd always inject campy humour into each film and series
>>153314499Why are people so afraid of doing something like this?
Live action adaptations of anything with an established artstyle are inehrently and objectively bad.
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