Would it be as accepted by the fans coming out in todays world as it was when it came out then? I can't imagine it wouldn't be called 'woke'>The entire setting being based on asian history and mythology instead of western european mythology>The entire cast of characters is 'Diverse' >No white characters or european style nations exist in the ATLA universe>Main villains are a colonial empire hell bent on ethnically cleansing and/or converting the natives. >Not unlike how leftists see real colonial history ignoring the nuances of real history. >Several episodes have preachy environmentalist messages about 'nature good and pollution bad.'>Several episodes where Katara fights the patriarchy. Mostly Kataras fight with Pakku in book one.>Female characters, mostly Toph, routinely beat up men twice their size with much more professional training than them>Several episodes where Sokka gets emasculated and made the butt the joke for his sexism>The entire reason Aang is freed from the iceberg is because of Katara lecturing Sokka for his sexism. >The Earth Kingdom commit war crimes and do just as much evil authoritarian shit as the Fire Nation. >Gives the world a darker morally grey tone than your usual fantasy story eg Harry Potter, or LOTR.>Pretty much everyone involved in creating the original series is some kind of leftist
>>153326710It would be called problematic and be changed to fit "modern audiences".Proof? Look at the live action and the og voice actors being kicked.See, unlike you, I have actual reality on my side.
>>153326768>Look at the live action and the og voice actors being kicked.Obviously if it was made today the entire voice cast would be Asian (Thanks for nothing PROZD!). But assuming everything else was the same, would it still be dismissed as woke?
>>153326710Designs are too complex and don't look like exaggerated featureless blobs, if Avatar came out today people would be amazed that it didn't look like a piece of shit.
>>153326797>Designs are too complex and don't look like exaggerated featureless blobsHaving good character designs and decent animation didn't stop the Netflix He-Man and Devil May Cry shows from being called woke.
>>153326710Culture war troons always have to leave out specific details whenever they do shit like this. Like how most of the characters are voiced by white people, Katara gets beaten by Paku, and the fact that the earth kingdoms shit gets called out in that the king is an incompetent rube who lets the secret police run his city and have their own reeducation facility that is under a lake which gets it name from CCP re-education camps.
>>153326790>But assuming everything else was the same, would it still be dismissed as woke?I already told you, the live action changed shit because it was "problematic". People on Twitter every other week cry rivers because Jet and the blood bending woman were presented in the wrong for killing civilian fire nation people. The original show by modern standards is not woke enough for woke retards, and the proof is on things being changed.Kindly kill yourself please.
>>153326863>which gets it name from CCP re-education camps.Yeah. That definitely wouldn't fly if the show got produced today. The modern CCP has modern Hollywood by the balls.
>>153326873In summary. It would be too woke for the right wingers, it wouldn't be woke enough for the leftists. Is that what you're saying?
>>153326790>But assuming everything else was the same, would it still be dismissed as woke?No, but it would be dismissed as problematic. For one, their societies have gender roles, and male characters actually dare to try to uphold them. None of the characters are gay. None of the characters are black. The fact that there are no white characters is a good thing, because it means there won't be any humiliation rituals for whitey.But you know all this shit already, because this is a bait thread. Like the other thousand times this shit has been posted.
>>153326863>>153326895It's unironically really funny how fast that changed. Avatar was coming out basically at the height of the Free Tibet movement in the West, and Hollywood just bulldozed over all of that the second the Chinese consumer could afford to regularly go to a theater, which was less than a decade later.
>>153326902I never said the first part. Are you retarded?
>>153326710>The entire setting being based on asian history and mythology instead of western european mythology>The entire cast of characters is 'Diverse’I actually don’t think that would bother people. Shoehorning races in where they don’t make sense is what bothers people. Just making a whole Asian inspired world is cool. >Main villains are a colonial empire hell bent on ethnically cleansing and/or converting the natives.Again, I don’t see an issue. The fire nation isn’t just a strawman about colonialism bad. They have a rich culture, which includes believing in their own superiority. They’re also pretty fucking cool. And as time goes by, there are plenty of fire nation characters who don’t go along with the imperialism. We even see how it came about and how young citizens are indoctrinated. It’s quite nuanced for a children’s show. Having colonialism in a show isn’t what bothers people, it’s when that it’s a cheap excuse to say “white man bad” that people get annoyed. The fire nation doesn’t feel that way. >katara vs pakku Katara gets FUCKED UP by Pakku. Ultimately, he does see the error of his ways, but never forget that asswhooping. >Toph beats people upYeah, because she has magic powers. If she started arm wrestling and beat up large men without her magic, it would be silly. But she’s a prodigy and it makes perfect sense. There’s also a good balance of crazy strong male and female characters. >sokka gets emasculated and Katara lectures about sexism But none of the characters are portrayed as always right or as a lame strawman who exists to be knocked down. The more I’m writing this out the more I think Avatar did most everything right. If the writing is good, people don’t care about political themes. If it’s just a heavy handed way to shit on your present day political opponents, people will notice and hate it.
>>153326710chrissakes you either don't know what the contentions are or you're deliberately misrepresenting themnobody gives a shit what race gets cast. they don't like when characters are REcast because a white guy voiced a minority, or in live action when a character of one race is changed to another just to tick boxes.
>>153326710There'd be culture war debates about it for sure but that happens with almost everything these days, at least online anyway. The anime-ripoff seethe would probably be heightened too, but all in all it would likely still end up being popular enough though maybe not the medium/genre-defining work it's generally cited as
>>153326940I haven't watched the live action netflix show, but how did they handle the Air Nomad Genocide given it was inspired by the Chinese genocide of Tibet?
>>153326710You know white people are fine with not being in things, because the win is they’re not the bad guys or the joke if they’re not in it.
>>153326710>No white charactersYour forgetting the Aryan Pathik.
>>153327004>If the writing is good, people don’t care about political themes.Some people just refuse to engage with a work of art if the creator isn't on their side of the culture war.
>>153327004>Yeah, because she has magic powers.So did Rey in the star wars sequels, didn't stop the usual suspects from tearing that character apart.
>>153327298Are you seriously whining about people not liking Rey?
>>153327276Oh my god so true, I had to cut a friend out of my life because he wouldn’t shut up about that nonsense. Dude even shit on George Orwell because he gave the world the “wrong” idea of socialism because communism and socialism are completely “different” shit just got insufferable.
>>153327334I don't like her either. But what did Toph do right that other similar characters dont?
>>153327336>Dude even shit on George Orwell because he gave the world the “wrong” idea of socialismIronic considering despite writing a book all about how socialism and communism are evil, Orwell never really stopped being a socialist.
>>153327298Toph was shown to have a big weakness in her first episode being blind, great for earth bending, but once someone like Aang figures it out she’s not unbeatable. Remeber she lost the belt to Aang, also Toph was seen to have these skills when she was younger and in constant practice with them. Rey learned her powers and beat a master in the same day with 0 training. They are not the same.
>>153327349Toph is an actually fun character that people like because of her personality and how she acts around others. Rey is not a fun character. Note that nobody minds Princess Leia even when she had her own moments in the OG trilogy, because Princess Leia was a fun character. Write fun characters and nobody minds, write shit characters and people mind.
>>153327364I know like I said dude got insufferable so I cut him outta my life. I was tired of his bitching all the time.
>>153327370It's certainly inspired but not a rip-off by any means.
>>153327370true but it still gets accused of it regularly
>>153327371Noted.
Stop drinking paint, America.
>>153328039I would but they won't stop putting it in the water supply.
>>153327153> medium/genre-defining workDid it really influence western animation that much?
>>153326710also Dave Filoni directed the first season and everyone hates him now
>>153328073>Did it really influence western animation that much?Yes it did. For better and for worse. It at the very least mainstreamed that 'anime but not really' artstyle that we see in everything. Including but not limited to:>Castlevania>Devil May Cry >Voltron>She-Ra >He-Man Revelations>Vox Machina>The Mighty Nein>Gabriel & The GuardiansJust to name a few.
>>153328196I think you're confusing ATLA with clone wars.
>>153328211No I'm not>"The Boy in the Iceberg"Directed and storyboarded by Dave Filoni >"The Avatar Returns"Directed and storyboarded by Dave Filoni >"Imprisoned"Directed and storyboarded by Dave Filoni >"Jet"Directed and storyboarded by Dave Filoni >"The Blue Spirit"Directed by Dave Filoni >"The Fortuneteller"Directed and storyboarded by Dave Filoni >"The Northern Air Temple"Directed and storyboarded by Dave Filoni >"The Siege of the North"Storyboarded by Dave Filoni Why do people say things when they don't know what they're talking about
>>153326710OP you’re a retard. Probably about as retarded as the anon in the other thread who said that the show was “Proto woke”
>>153328265>>153328244He directed that much? I thought he only directed a few episodes not the biggest ones in the first season.
>>153328196I blame Kathleen Kennedy for what happened with Mandalorian Season 3 and Book Of Boba Fett. Not Dave. He was just doing what he was told to keep his job.
>>153328301I think Filoni's problem is that he has to constantly make new stuff for a franchise that already ended in the 80s so every project he works on has to have some elaborate excuse for why the character involved don't show up in RotJ and after a decade of Clone Wars Ahsoka slop it's just gotten ridiculous
>>153326710I could actually see this cartoon being called a chud show because it doesn't have gays.Shit is so bad right now I can actually see people on the left hating it, and people on the right as well as actual normal people liking it because it isn't ugly.Seriously Normal/Rightoids just want to see car keys jingle, the moment they saw Ty Lee it would be the same shit as it was back in the day but with 10 times more porn.>>153326831Because their writing was ass and the shows were ass.
>>153328424>I could actually see this cartoon being called a chud show because it doesn't have gays.There would be a GIGANTIC push from the fandom to make Zuko and Sokka gay for each other. Maybe bigger than Zutara.
>>153326710I have never seen someone call an eastern mythos based show as "Woke". If anything, far eastern mythos is the most accepted exoticism in America for decades, especially paired with anime being more popular than ever.The main villains are imperial japan, pretty blatantly because again, it's all east asian. People don't care about Japanese imperialism being depicted as aggressive. The Earth Kingdom being Chinese and doing evil Chinese stuff isn't something people call "Woke"We did have a "ATLA made today" and they basically bucked the majority of the cast, and erased half of Sokka's character, and toned down a lot of it not for being "Woke" but for being "Problematic" and not "Safe" enough, seeing it as dated. It'd probably also have a vocal minority angry that two white guys are using "Asian history and lived experiences and culture" as a set piece for their story. >>153326831Devil May Cry had the whole "Bro this is literally the Iraq war look at the demons dressed in Middle eastern garb being bombed by the president while American Idiot plays" which is, a tiny bit less nuanced than Avatar's Japanese Imperialism basaed around philosophy of fire being all consuming if not controlled.
>>153328477>Zuko and Sokka gay for each other. Maybe bigger than Zutara.I can see that, I could see them bonding, maybe Sokka could fix him.
>>153326710I rewatched it recently and was very uncomfortable with how much they sexualized the underage female cast.
>>153326710Present day /co/ wouldn't have gotten past the first scene where Katara calls Sokka sexist. That one line would ruin all possible discussion.
>>153326831the pajeet that made the DmC netflix shit basically made it all about 911 and also demons did nothing wrong its an absolute rape of the source material
>>153326710>>153328616The Beach would release online and immediately disprove any claims of the show being woke
>>153328201>it's all shit
>>153326710If ATLA was made today, Pakku would either be on board from day 1 (see the Kyoshi warrior subplot in the live action), or Katara would defeat him in the duel.We'd also not get a purely asian cast, there'd be all sorts of africans and indians (see Seven Havens).
>>153326710Nope, post 2016 anything that was remotely Asian looking in any particular way would have people screeching that it's>OrientalismWith loads of people only knowing of the series at all due to the fact that YouTubers will never ever shut up about the fake Asian-ish fantasy setting as created by two white guys. Also voiced by white people,.
>>153326768Fpbp and /thread
>>153327298Toph actually has some good reasons to be that strong and is a likeable person too.
>>153326768MAWDUUURWM AWRDIEENCIEEEEEEEEEEEESDUHRHRH MEHSAAAAAAAAARRRRRRHGEEEEE
>>153326710Threads that exist solely to get chuds mad about a hypothetical are always bangers.
Feels like OP didn't got the answers he wanted and is in full meltdown on the thread, fakse flaging and shit flinging until something sticks.
>>153328849>>153328912>>153328973>>153329077>>153329098>op was samefaging several sides
>>153329209Wasn't me.
>>153328875>the pajeet that made the DmC netflix shit basically made it all about 911Ironic considering he also openly supported Donald Trump.
>>153328980>there'd be all sorts of africans and indians (see Seven Havens).>>153327270Guru Pathik looked pretty Hindu for an East Asian inspired fantasy world.
>>153326768The pic doesn't apply to the series. They don't do shitty uncanny valley pin up sex sells poses
>>153328910It's not like Bryan and Mike could have predicted the negative impact ATLA would have on american animation. Though given their openly leftist politics, they're probably happy about it.
>>153329244They wouod be screaming and shitting themselves over the cleavages in the beach episode.Hell they shitted themselves over Iroh and June lmaoNiggas bend backward trying to say "you would say the show was woke!!!!" then fucking apologize for gags on it.
>>153329235yeah I saw thatthe jeet is a major fucking grifter
>>153329235He seems like someone that just likes to stir the pot for drama, taking whatever inflammatory position he can.
>>153326902Stop being disingenuous, media was capable of nuance back then.
>>153326710Something something cultural appropriation and racism
>>153328287Dave filoni was a pivotal part to avatar's early success, and was the reason george lucas noticed him in the first place.
>>153328477>>153328614not even now is zukka bigger than zutara, lets not kid ourselves here. people here seem to forget how big enemies to lovers slop is with the general zeitgeist.
One thing is for sure. If it came out today, there's no way she loses against Pakku. She would girlboss all over him, and would most likely be a much more intolerable person in general.
>>153329930reminder water tribe men literally collar their women
>>153326710it would be 100% called woke propaganda
>>153326768Reality wins again... so sad... OP was blown the fuck out as always.
>>153329930>>153330034>feminism isn’t woke if it comes out before I was born Okay chuddie
>>153329975Notice how Sokka doesn't give a fuck and is played as Katara chimping out
>>153329239can't have not-buddhism without not-hinduism I guess
>>153330107How the fuck do you get that out of those posts? Reading comprehension really is at an all time low these days.
>>153329291The comics are written exclusively by queer lesbian women for some reason.
>>153330297It feels like the average IQ has just collapsed.
>>153326768Boom, progressives owned in the culture war as always
>>153330634I blame Covid.
>>153330616all the cucking and jobbing was written by a straight man
Idk but I watched this show for the first time and I just finished Book 1 and it's not the best cartoon ever like everyone says it is. It's a solid show but some of the plot developments and where things are told in the season is very weird and the characters sometimes change out of nowhere. Maybe that will change with Books 2 and 3
>>153330806I remember season 1 being kinda hard to get through, but ended up loving the show. It does have some kino episodes, but the overall quality really picks up once Toph joins. Not just because of her, but because you get a lot more story and character development after that.
>>153329291The problem is that Iroh is held up as THE example of what a good man should be in the avatar universe. You can’t have your icon of morality molesting much younger women.
>>153329291>>153331288June was willing to hand over a bunch of kids to the Fire Nation for money. I don't think she's the right person to talk about morals.
>>153326710it was a fairly progressive show for the time but the progressive window has shifted more as seen just within the series. Now if it was made today instead of just being time leaped then it would be changed quite a bit
>>153331288>Iroh is held up as THE example of what a good man should be in the avatar universe.The guy has a body count rivalling Rommel.
>>153331407>the progressive window has shifted more as seen just within the series.Howso?
>>153329975It's literally showing how, while Sokka is wrong to underestimate her power, she's also losing control of herself in the process. That's the most anti-woke message possible.
>>153331246Will keep going then. I just remember the few episodes I did see being tighter and funnier when I was a kid. Maybe I'm thinking of the later episodes. I am excited to see Toph I remember her bring one of the better characters on the show next to Iroh and Zuko.
>>153331613They recast most of Gaang’s voice actors due to them not being the same race as the characters.
>>153332878I already knew about that.
