Starline is coming back
Sage's design was better when she had her original red and black color scheme, it fits to her better imo.
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>>153329696Not the IDW way. The IDW way is to make you think it's someone you know, then reveal it's a new ORIGINAL THE CHARACTER (DONUT STEEL) and retcon them to have always been around watching the heroes and Eggman while plotting for the moment to strike.
>>153330742yeah but it's also the IDW way to never add new villains
Robotnik having a daughter is retarded. Sonic The Hedgehog is embarrassing.
>>153330939Eggman's been having kids since the 90sYou're late to the party
>>153330742Even if it is Starline it'd be done in the worst way possible. Like he dies again or something.
>>153331084So which whore did Eggman bang to make that?Rouge? Amy? Cream...?
>>153331154He built it. Its a robot.
>>153329696Huh? Was issue 86 storytimed already?
Starline was killed because someone was uncomfortable with the IDW Sonic The Hedgehog comic having a hypnokink villain. What changed? If they bring him back, is he not going to be doing hypno fetish shit any more?
>>153330742IDW literally already did this exact thing with Starline twice. Ian/Evan/Whoever is writing it atp genuinely thinks the audience will be super hyped and le mindblown by it being Starline every time.
>>153331177Damn, so he's an incel then. The old manuals lied.
>>153331209And we are.
>>153331226He wasn't an incel.
>>153331226>I’ll make sexism my BITCH!>Sexism will be like,>”Ohh! Robotnik! You so strooong!”>”Kissy-kissy!”>”You can hit me!”>”I like it-“
>>153331226Mistranslation. He's supposed to be a "ladies' man".
>>153331368He wants to kill Amy Rose because she defines herself by a man and repeatedly fails the Bechdel Test.
>>153331456Good for him.
Sage SEXOOOOOOOOOOO
>>153331202>Starline was killed because someone was uncomfortable with the IDW Sonic The Hedgehog comic having a hypnokink villain. What changed?Reality exists outside of your deluded headcanons of why things happen, is what changed. Starline was killed for the sake of marketing bait of something shocking happening in issue 50.
>>153331482>totally worthless, substance-free post about hating on Sally or AmyIt must be BOCO!!!!
>>153331185No idea, tried looking for a thread and nothing.
>>153329696Eh, maybe a robot with a copy of Starline's mind could pop up out from nowhere, cause trouble and eventually get destroyed, but not before leaving unclear that if it was the only copy or there are more ready to show up anytime.Extra points if every robot copy thinks it's the real Starline.
>>153330742>The Eighth Chaos Emerald
>>153331638He anonymously shitposts on /sthg/ btw
>>153332397The fuck I do.
>>153332431shut up boco
Hi I have 6 steam keys.I will post 1 for every angry rant about this article.https://ponett.dog/blog/lanolin-and-sonic-twitter.html
>>153332440I wouldn't touch /vg/ with a ten foot pole.
>>153330742And also gender gender genders everywhere
>>153331261>Fem StarlineI should not find her hot
To think this all happened because Starline pissed off VISA with his hypnosis glove.
>>153332397Considering the oc autism and twitter crossposting, no surprise.
So, I didn't listen to the chaotix thing, but can Infinite appear in the comics now thanks to it?
>>153332746The faggot mammal got beef with the banks?based
Why does Ian keep hyping up his shitty OCs like there was ANYTHING special to Starline beyond being Snively but lamer and with a hypnosis fetish?
>>153332746Does VISA/MasterCard hold the Starline Files? What did they know what we don't?
the only narrative purpose Starline returning would serve, would be as inevitable fodder for Surge's bullshit redemption arc when she finally gets the chance to kill him and then spares him insteadi hope he stays dead. sonic's reaction says its a returning character that he recognizes, but i dont think he'd be that worked up to see Starline
>>153329905I agree. I have no idea what they were thinking turning it to white and blue.
>>153329696>>153329905I remember a fanfic where Sage reacted to the moment Caine was deleted, and Eggman, to comfort her, recreated the Ringmaster to accompany her.
>>153334702Source?
>>153331154His wife Martha.
>>153334702>>153335526https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS9RhfjmW/
>>153330047>>153331185>>153331754It isn't out yet (grabberzoe might have it in a few hours though). There's a guy on Youtube who posts them a day early:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVNAHe1ZjPc
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>>153329696She just doesn't fit at all
how does the term “Trojan” exist in the humanless world of IDW
I don't know why they're trying to keep it a mystery when it's obviously Starline. It's even stated it would be him if he wasn't "dead". Alternatively, you csn assume it's some kind of red herring, but Sonic recognized them, so it can't be a new character. Pretty weird to keeo stringing this on.
>>153336552>Off to Angel IslandOh good, we get to suffer through several months of hanging out with the world's most retarded war criminal. Yaaaaaaay.
>>153336812Just something you have to suspend your disbelief for. I'm sure they've mentioned things before that if you think about it they shouldn't actually know about.
>>153336855obviously it’ll be Starline’s bastard son that was never mentioned until now
I miss this guy
>>153336518I figured it out! It's Black Star from Soul Eater!
>>153332376>What is the Master Emerald
>>153336855I'm still thinking it's a sentient Metal Virus strain.
>>153337480>didn't read the comic award
>>153336525Great, this mystery box is remaining shut for at least another year until issue 100. I don't know whether to laugh or punch a wall.
>>153331368Specifically it isn't even from the Japanese Heroes' manual. It is from the Japanese Sonic X website.Technically he is ascribed the label of 'feminist' but it is in the sense that Eggman believes himself to be an understander of the ladies rather than someone that studies feminism.
>>153337291Naugus really was one of the best villains in the comic, will say I preferred his preboot origin since it's so unique and makes him more interesting as a character.
>>153338194I liked the stuff with the Ixian magic. Seemed like it might have been giving Rings some sort of purpose. Might have even been building towards a more proper utilization of Ultra Sonic.
Sex with Sage
>>153334532Sage is not a well thought out character in general.
>>153335540>His wifeHe divorced Martha's ass for cucking him with EVERYONE
Calling it nowThe tentacles aren't actually a mask, it's Starline's hair pushed forward. Dude was cyberized al a Dr Zachery from STC
>>153338273I wonder if they would've had Naugus get defused after his Geoffrey possession inevitably gets resolved to have the three Ixis wizards that form him take focus as villains. Also Naugus always had some of the best action scenes like when he's facing the Secret Freedom Fighters or up against Titan Metal Sonic.
I cant get over this lolis design, why was she added, why the fuck would eggman build something that looks like this, this is stupid.
>>153336494Goldlewis?
>>153338407I wish Ian wasn't so secretive about his plans for both preboot and reboot Archie.It isn't like he'd be spoiling anything.There's no way he'd have something so unique that wouldn't also be impossible to pull off in the IDW environment.That being said, I do think the Artificial Chaos Emeralds arc probably would have been a Naugy arc.
>>153337778I’m betting on “secretly injected himself with the same MV cocktail he gave his OCs but his regeneration got fucked up somehow so he became the masketta man”
>>153338439It isn't actually his design. Instead she's a hybrid/mutation of Eggman's hacking/data processing program and the Ancients' Cyber Space tech and probably some The End junk too.
>>153338439Play the game
>>153336855Plus the villain carries around a coffin.The thing associated with dead people.
>>153338439He didn't, at least not intentionally. The whole point of Frontiers is that she was just another generic Eggman AI that got exposed to Ancients tech and developed into true sentience, and he spends most of the game being unsure what to think of this unexpected result.
>>153338483It tracks since Naugus would've needed them to stave off the genesis wave just fucking his shit up plus how he always needed them to buff his magic and his general crystal powers that were as defining as his elemental mastery. Also yeah I've no idea why Flynn so so tight lipped on it when it's very clear that sad as it is that Archie isn't ever coming back and he might as well just say what notable ideas or plans he had either way if he can even recall then all these years now. It is funny to me how with Archie that the reboot and preboot have their strengths and weaknesses that make it fully hard for me to say I'd be happy without the other, especially on the topic of characterisation or designs especially.
>>153336432Sex with Belle.
>>153334532I assume it was to contrast with Eggman (White/Blue vs Black/Red), but Sage isn't independent enough for that aesthetic not to clash with him, whereas black/red/white tends to complement each (including in Eggman's outfit as-is)
>>153336552There is potentially an interesting storyline in Sage and Eggman where she's becoming far less evil than he could be, and this is a change pushed on by him caring for her. He built her to help his plans, but as she's slowly becoming a real person, she can eventually drift away and split from him. She says she wants to help him conquer the world, but the more time she spends with Sonic and co, the more she'll be disillusioned with the idea of killing them all. To me, with issues like this it's more and more inevitable that she's not going to stay with Eggman forever.However, I have zero trust in these writers, and they'll just dance around that idea, because nothing interesting can ever happen.
>>153338439Robotnik took his massive metal plonker and penetrated a long-dead civilization's hyper advanced computer system. It incubated his program and became a real bean
>>153338567Even if they were competent enough for that, SEGA hates persistent character progression.They designed the current state of the franchise to be everything canon, but zero continuity between entries so that every aspect of the franchise is easy to enter.
>>153338541Really? You are gonna go for the ugliest design in the comic?
>>153333586>and then spares him insteadFuck off
>>153338567Sage is a Sega character, so unless they want to write her out (yet don't want to do it in a game), something like that would be temporary at best.
>>153338561I just wish she got an updated outfit. That orphan rag was fine when her true role was still unknown, but Sage deserves a better look to emphasize her role as the empire's little princess.
>>153336552Frontiers and its consequences have been a disaster for Eggman’s character.
>>153338719Fuck off sl*shy
>>153338719>boutique pride flag in pfpCringe.Is that angry enough?
>>153338540Yeah, I'd kill for the Egg Bosses.A constant miniboss group with legitimate and illegitimate reasons for working for Eggman instead of just coercion and robotic lobotomies?That would be perfect, especially with how their designs match the vibes of the other characters instead of looking like weird oni emojis.
>>153338567I know comic Eggman is more evil than game Eggman, but Sage feels more like a character that will cause Eggman to lighten up more than someone who split from him. She is simply far too loyal to him that to split from him would be a total change of her personality, and reset him back to square one.
>>153338844It is weird honestly.Comic Eggman is more visible in his planning cycles.Because of that, we see him actually arriving at his plans (because foreshadowing), which also means we see him trample past the ethical and honestly even the pragmatic considerations.But in terms of actual scale, the Zombot Virus isn't worse than the Time Eater or Solaris.With those, he wanted to rewrite history and then erase history to suit himself.The issue is that the games treat it as Saturday morning cartoon villain stuff, but the comics have to dwell on it.
>>153338439>Dammit, we still can’t get Japan to give a shit about Sonic! What can we try next?>Let’s put in that Rei chick from Evangelion. Nerds love her.>Perfect! Just change the name for legal purposes annnd…done!
>>153338924Solaris wasn't his plan though?
>>153338719Hello saars do the needful for free steam key bls do not redeem
>yet another shit nothing issue where nothing of value happensCan this franchise please just die already? >>153338483Why the fuck should he tell anyone? Anyone who's still invested in this franchise has dedicated their worthless existence to seething about him at all times.
>>153338966Utilizing Solaris was his plan. That's why he wanted Elise.>>153339043Iunno, I just want to know what he had planned because I liked the Archie world for all its flaws.Kinda like looking at cutting room floor content for video games.I like seeing the creative process.I know he doesn't owe me anything, but I can still want it.
>>153338924Eggman's a pragmatist. Most of his goals are usually so that he can build/establish his empire, with the people he kills or otherwise ruins the lives of just being collateral.Zombot reads more as an act of spite, especially when he had no means of controlling them and intended to flee the planet after he was done.>>153338966Solaris was his plan, he just never gets to act on it, either because he's playing princess ctf with Sonic or because he dies in an airship crash.
>>153339093>>153339127iirc Iblis was his plan and he didn't know about Solaris.
>>153338483>I wish Ian wasn't so secretive about his plans for both preboot and reboot Archie.The honest truth about this is that he probably used his plans for those and just tweaked it for IDW (as confirmed with metal virus, etc) which is why he won't say much , and at this point the well is dry of any old plans he had>>153338540Man it really bugged me that in the reboot for him, was literally a in universe "Man i fucking suck now!" What a humiliation ritual. (even if he kinda deserved it) now that I think about it, Ian probably thought about this and how he could apply it to Tails when he got to write for the games lol
>>153339139Other way around: Eggman only ever mentions Solaris and calls it the "flames of disaster".https://youtu.be/-NHONcca5x0?t=749The only thing suggesting that he knew of Iblis' existence is the fact that he knows about the Solaris project and that he knows that Mephiles is tied to Solaris.
>>153339192>"flames of disaster".Doesn't Silver also call Iblis that? It's been a long time for me.
>>153336868Knuckle's contract says he has to appear in a mainline comic every year
>>153339216He does, but I don't think he even knows about Solaris until Shadow takes him to the past. He just knows that Iblis is the fire monster rampaging through the future and that Sonic is the Iblis Trigger.Eggman seemingly treats Iblis as just an extension of Solaris rather than as an entity in its own right like Mephiles.
>>153339255Plot is honestly a total mess unfortunately.Like Shadow's storyline involves hunting for the Scepter of Darkness, but the Scepter is also something that predates the Solaris project.And the archaeologist Shadow talks to even has a whole other myth for the Scepter.So it seems like the Scepter was something separate from the Eternal Flame.But what does that even mean for Solaris and Mephiles?
>>153339310>"Adrianna: Thank you! I'm Adrianna. I am an Archaeologist researching Soleanna's ruins. When I was researching the ruins, they suddenly attacked me... I'm so glad you came. I was researching the Scepter of Darkness, a royal treasure recorded in ancient Soleanna texts.">"When black flame lights the Candle of Darkness and priest's prayers are answered, the dark seal will be no more, and so shall emerge the power."
>>153331368I dont know. Personally i think its hilarious that hes a feminist. Like he does all sorts of evil maniacal genocidal shit BUT he draws the line at treating women different from men.Which i suppose means he will also kill a woman as easily as a man but thats besides the point
>>153332458I thought it was pretty accurate aside from a bit of overzealous defense for some poor plotting.
>>153339310I never played 06 and it's been ages since I watched the cutscenes, but I would assume it's something like this.>Solaris is the god of Soleanna.>The Scepter of Darkness is created as a contingency/Anti-Solaris and given to the Royal Family>One day, the Duke and his band of science geeks attempt the Solaris Project, an attempt to take control Solaris and use it to rewrite time and shit>Project backfires and Solaris is split in twaine. Solaris' mind becomes Mephiles while it's flames/power become Iblis.>Both are sealed away in their respective vessals>Years later, Eggman stumbles upon the Solaris Project and decides to recreate it.>Presumably, he intended to plug Elise and the Scepter into the "Solaris Prototype" (i.e. that time machine he uses to send Sonic and friends into the future) or extract the halves, etc.>Egg Carrier explodes, Iblis is released (presumably this method releases it "incorrectly") and fucks up the future.>Mephiles sends Silver to kill Sonic so Elise will cry and release Iblis the "correct" way.
Here's a question, why in the FUCK did Shadow just leave the scepter alone again? That was fucking dumb
>>153339557Correct me if I am wrong, but by the point in Shadow's history traveling, Shadow's perspective goes from resealing Mephiles to Solaris reforming acausally in the present.
>>153339557Because Sonic 06 can't make up its mind on how its time travel works.>Stuff like the Blue Chaos Emerald, Mephiles and Iblis being sealed>Elise dies in the original timeline>She doesn't in the revised timeline>Silver's future still exists until Solaris eats everything.
>>153338567They've already said their vision of this is "Sage wants world domination first and foremost, she's just nicer about it."
>>153336855Ian sucks at doing mysteries and just immediately made it clear too early.
>>153338719Oh, seeing this on its own thread but also here clarifies to me that this is Slashy. You came up with a bit you thought would be funny, and now are just autistically running it to the ground everywhere you can, as usual for you.
>>153339630She's basically Eggman's ideals, but minus (some of) the ego.She'd subjugate you - from her perspective - for your own good, while struggling with the idea of what Sonic suggests but not being able to accept it.Or at least, that's what I would think the direction is.
>>153339630>Eggman wants to conquer the world because of his ego>Sage wants to conquer the world because she's an AI programmed to want that (and because it's what the doctor wanted)It's that shrimple
>>153339696Most of the posts in every Sonic thread are the same dozen or so obsessed autists recycling the same talking points on loop.
>>153339662>Ian sucks at doing mysteriesYes.>And just immediately made it clear too early.It's a comic for 9 year olds and the conclusion is going to be "it's not EXACTLY Starline!"
>>153339184The honest truth is Archie would immediately blacklist him if he shared the deets. He still goes back for the occasional gig. He had no problems sharing the details on Mega Man.
I miss Shadow man.
>>153331261Holy fuck, are there more??
>>153329905>Hi, I'm Diana, what's your name?
>>153340523ChatGPT Image looking scary bros
>>153340298Does Archie even care about Sonic anymore?I thought they dropped the license to go all in on Riverdale.
>>153340602They did. They don't give a rat's ass about it and haven't for over a decade.
>>153338655Gonna cry?
>>153340638I'll ask, What's wrong with not liking changes made for the worse for a character?
>>153339439There was a villain of the week in Kikaider who was a literal cyborg vampire mass murderer but openly identified as a feminist (mostly as plot armor for the female lead to survive)
>>153340602They signed an NDA in a settlement and don't want to deal with Ken's bullshit. It's not about wanting to do more work, it's about keeping his trap shut.It's why he kept trying to find ways around it for years and occasionally talked about the bits that had nothing to do with Ken's characters.
What a fucking nothingburger
>>153338404More like made a digital backup of his mind and planning to use the chaos emeralds to revive his body in a mechanized state.
>be post-SGW character>some dude hands you an old looking PDA>as soon as you touch it gain terrible knowledge>the world is wrong >there are people you remember that you've never met before>you aren't you and the real you is dead>you and everything you thought you knew are the result of a universe trying to stitch itself back together after an artificially-induced cosmic seizure unleashed by the same man who was responsible for every misery you've ever known>try to tell people what you know, they look at you like you're insane>the old memories quickly fade into the background of your new ones>spend the rest of your life periodically getting a vague sense that something is quite right put you can never pin down exactly what it iswhy did they put this in the silly video game mascot comic
>>153341564Because the book's editor had futile hopes of one day going back to the pre SGW continuity. Ian knew better and had the old memories fade.
this comic isn't good but I live for metal sonic so it gets a pass whenever he's in it
Starline's sister Starlina!
>>153329696>skilled inventor utilizing eggtech for his own ends>knows the cast, and has everyone under surveillance>knowledge of ancient artifacts (i.e. chaos emeralds, mystery coffin)>seemingly has a vendetta against Robotnik>not a fighter, relies on said gadgets or artifacts in combat>Sonic recognizes him>Star motifs everywhere>can manipulate people's minds>Sage says the only known person matching his MO is dead
>>153338602She's not ugly! She's cute...
>>153343009And watch it be a big rugpull from out of nowhere when it turns out to be something else entirely.
>>153332458Saar, stop scamming.
>>153329905Agreed
I hope they bring him back with that halloween Frankenstein design that they made awhile back
>>153343293I think the only time the comic did this is when everyone was expecting a Lanolin crash-out only for her to quietly apologize and then do nothing else with the character. Usually it’s super predictable.
>>153332458I keep typing up a 12,000 character write-up, but the place I'm doing it keeps eating my post, so I'll just be concise:If you think the Lanolin hate is unwarranted and misogynistic, find me ONE person that likes Geoffrey St. John.
>>153340564Her name is 67
>>153344153>find me ONE person that likes Geoffrey St. John.Ken Penders
>>153344201Reminder that according to him, Geoffrey took Sally's virginity.
>>153332458Why bother to rant? Just inform the writer that he will never be a woman.
>>153329696i can fix starline
>>153340842Because there's some development here? Why can't Eggman care(as much as asshole like he is) about something besides himself?
>>153344153>find me ONE person that likes Geoffrey St. John.The nip that made Mobian Forces >>153344201Ken clearly doesn't and is just in it for infamy.
*Mobian Crisis
>>153329696If characters have a name, they can always comeback.
>>153344375The point of him is being the most selfish mother fucker alive. Yes there is fucking problem with him going "you're sure you're fine?" to someone else like that>Because there's some development here? Which was not needed at all nor was it even good. Which said "development" was extremely weak and shit much like the ones for the other characters in that game.
>>153344375Why would you want what is supposed to be the worst of humanity a father, why would the fat man who chained little planet in which Sonic got a glimpse to the destruction and disarray he'd create with mechanical slaves care about rei but grok
>>153344834Because you're confusing him with SatAM Robotnik. Game/IDW Eggman was never that bad.
>>153344806Being a dad guy isn't any different from having him coo over Metal like they did back in 2018.Why does Sega keep letting them get away with coloring his stache red, anyway.
>>153344875.....Because he's a redhead?
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>Eggman squee'ing over MechagodzillaNow thats funny.
>>153344889Eggman's been a brunette in the games since 1991.
>>153344855https://youtu.be/LubnDSQOpZM?si=7bZSC5IlOgQkaGszhttps://youtu.be/EVHpL9yutLg?si=Hq5ql-qcPmqwLJDnhttps://youtu.be/cgoE8TjqmsU?si=67sWi-p5c_kg5vAGhttps://youtu.be/o2LEBFz_pzI?si=YtTZtC3o_L2HwGbu
>>153344855Game Eggman constantly does horrible shit, even in light hearted games like Colors he’s irredeemable. SATAM Robotnik isn’t even that evil, all he did was conquer one kingdom, you’re probably lumping him in with Archie Robotnik.
>>153344961>Dumb asshole that goes "YOLO IDGAF I'll fix it later!"Villain, yeah, but he's not Hitler. He's just irresponsible.
>>153344991>even in light hearted games like Colors he’s irredeemableMaybe if you've got autism.Bowser's done worse and nobody tries to litigate the ethics and characterization of him loving Jr.
>>153345007I guess enslaving little planet, splitting the earth, blowing up half the moon and almost destroying the fabric of reality is just being irresponsible
>>153344991SatAM Robotnik wants to mass genocide every trace of organic life off the planet. All Eggman usually wants is everybody proclaiming him to be the most awesome guy ever, whether they agree with him or not.
>>153345032He's still a shortsighted bumbler.
>>153345045Just a doofus.
>>153345044And turn the world into a carnival.
>>153345007>Villain, yeah, but he's not Hitler
>>153344709>FionaThat doesn't count because his tastes mist be shit.
>>153345025A core part of Eggman’s character is how selfish he is. That was the whole reason Gamma turns on him. Bowser is also super selfish but was never on Eggman’s level and was shown to care for his troops in Super Mario RPG so him caring for jr doesn’t contradict previous characterization.
>>153332458>says the Restoration is interesting>cries misogyny even though everyone hated IDW Shadow, Chris Thorndyke, and Geoffrey St. John too>liked that boring racing arcI agree with her that the Lanolin-hate was unwarranted, but I hate literally everything else about that post.
>>153345032>I guess enslaving little planetIt's just a big island floating in the sky. It's no different than what he does every game, just spherical.>Splitting the earthLiterally, factually, didn't even hurt anybody.>blowing up half the moonWarning shot, moon got better.>and almost destroying the fabric of realityYeah. He didn't.>Is just being irresponsibleUnironically. Yes. He's a dumbass.You are putting way too much weight in this.
>>153345101>Warning shot, moon got better.Actually no, "we just keep seeing the normal side". According to Iizuka. Which is bullcrap.
>>153345093>It's contradicting your egomania and not giving a fuck about grunt robots if you love your daughter.You guys are really fucking dumb.
>>153345032Well, yeah. How many of those incidents could be followed up with "...AND then I built a theme park on it!"
>>153345044Colors Eggman also wanted the entire planet to be his slaves just without the robot aspect.
>>153345080Can't believe J Jonah Jameson is putting on the Reich.
>>153345137Splitting the earth actually https://youtu.be/sM-UzOI4biU?si=9X-ILaESTktxRDTz
>>153345121Sage is not actually his daughter. She’s a code of AI no different than the rest of his robots.
>>153345159Yeah, by using cartoon mind control juice so they would all say he's super cool and awesome. It's a Sonic Boom plot. Come the fuck on.
>>153345025Bowser's always been something of a frenemy to Mario & Co. Miyamoto even recently talked about how he views Bowser as the type of villain that can be a friend depending on the game/"play".
>>153345189Not to him she's not.Game even has like three collectable memos that explicitly state why he feels that way.I don't like her either, but come off it.
>>153345191Tails does exactly what Eggman says when zapped. It’s total mind enslavement just like robotization.
>>153338483I don't even think it's about being secretive, but it's more about Ian flat out not knowing. The man doesn't really plan things out in depth all the time. For example, that stuff with Tails' Moebian counterpart Miles being the hidden leader of the Suppression Squad didn't have further plans beyond the reveal and Ian was just going to figure things out later whenever he got back to it. He has said similar stuff about certain plots on his Bumblekast. And the plots he had thought more about was mostly already said in that very Bumblekast.There is a legitimate possibility that Lost Hedgehog Tales was never gonna be an actual thing.
>>153345251Yeah.We're talking about tone, man.
>>153345044All versions of Robotnik/Eggman is some various degree of total asshole. Some are just more inclined to being a total bastard, is all.
The thing that sucks is not only is the dumb caring for this daughter thingBut said daughter is such a dull ass character with a boring dynamic. How can anyone find such trite interesting is beyond me
>>153336445I like the villain design, at least.
>>153345082Crybaby
>>153345295>But said daughter is such a dull ass character with a boring dynamic.This is the actual problem. Nothing wrong with him having a daughter, but her deadpan robot gimmick is lame.
>>153345212They don’t actually explain why he feels that way. That was one of the criticisms against Frontiers. She saves him once from GUN helicopters and the next minute he’s coddling her. She’s not particularly more intelligent or powerful than his other creations so it makes no sense why he treats her so differently.
>>153345266No you weren’t. You said game Eggman wasn’t evil, not “It doesn’t FEEL like he’s evil.”
>>153345327I think it could work if they played up the contrast more i.e. the childish and over-the-top Eggman vs the mostly deadpan and calm Sage. But that's a relatively large "if" for modern Sega.
>>153345334This faggot either did not get the memos or play the game altogether
>>153345373Explain why he loves Sage then oh wise one.
>>153343382They seem to have pivoted to more of a Mind Flayer/Brainsucker aesthetic, which when you consider Starline’s consistent penchant for mental fuckery actually fits him much better.
>>153345366>Autist thinks everyone is one person>>153345334The memos literally explain why he sees her as a real daughter and not a machine. Frontiers has dogshit writing, but you're objectively wrong here.>>153345372Kinda. I don't think it's interesting, but it could work.
>>153345415Not them, but it's because he was forced to sit with himself and his thoughts for once, mulled over Maria a bit, and decided to hype himself up by essentially mentally positioning her as a superior version of the girl who outshined him. He takes all the credit for her skills by pointing out he made her and then hypes her to the moon.
>>153345372>I think it could work if they played up the contrast more i.e. the childish and over-the-top Eggman vs the mostly deadpan and calm Sage
>>153345082How could you not love red hot vixen pussy?
Sage is kinda mary sueish with old character just becoming in love with them near instantly, huh. That's cringe.
>>153345415>Sage is performing at peak efficiency!Makes me wonder where I went wrong with Orbot and Cubot. Not only is she taking control of the Ancients' network, but she's harassing Sonic as well! I love it!(He views her with esteem)>Sage has been crucial to my survival here in Cyber Space. Early warnings of hostile entities, guiding me past firewalls, keeping me updated on progress in the real world - she's the best.>"She?">"It." It's a program.>An adorable program. A very personable program. A... hmm. I wonder if... she... has a preference?(Eggman gets comfortable personifying the program and acknowledges it's forming independent identity)>Sage told the funniest joke during her report.>"How fast can Sonic screw things up? Instantly - he's the fastest thing alive!"I tell you, she's a chip off the old block. Well, for a program, I mean. It's not like she's alive.>Or family. Or... hmm.(Eggman fully acknowledges that Sage has developed a personality, and is modeling it after his own, proving to him that they've started to form a more personal connection)>Who says I can't create life, huh?Just a bunch of proteins bumping together. Anyone can do that. A true genius does it with code and electrons!>And if I did create life, she would be brilliant and loyal and perfectly effective! And you know why? Because her dad is a genius, that's why!(Eggman draws the conclusion that the thing he created that acts human could be considered a form of life if the definition stretches to allow cybernetic physicality, which he would because of the repeated Cyberspace themes. If she is life, then logically as her creator she is his daughter. Eggman takes pride in this accomplishment, as in his eyes Sage's successful development is a testamount to his own genius from being able to produce a "daughter" of his own.)
>>153329905>>153334532>>153343354I feel like they should've at least keep her eye red along with some of her data texture frame mix with blue and red, but I do agree that the white and blue color frame on her just doesn't feels right in her recolored design, unlike her original color frame.
>>153345808I'd compromise. Blue when she's relaxed and red when she's actively operating.
>>153341619This pic reminds me of>"I'm retarded?"
>>153344372he consistently has a very fat bottom
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>>153344942He appreciates fellow /m/ chads
>>153345561>Father, it appears Sonic the Hedgehog is once again attempting to spy on us. A repeated pattern for him.>SNOOPING AS USUAL, I SEE!>...don't use those words so close together, father.
>>153344991>All he did was conquer one kingdomAnd forcefully turn the denizens intk robotic abominations
>>153345101>Moon got better.Didnt the Shadow Generations episode show its still blasted as far as game canon goes? In the anime he fixed it with some super repair tech to fill in the blasted part but yea
Sonic has become sanitized corporate slop. I don't understand how anyone can still care about this soulless trash.
Best Egg Daughter
>>153347464Shame we'll never see Sage interact with the other AI characters
>>153347429You’re on /co/
Sonic should seduce Sage lol
>>153347620Why
>>153334532Sage = SegaSega's Logo is white and blue. So they wanted Sage to match.
>>153348395That's fucking retarded.
>>153331209Hey look it's Sally on the top left
>>153344153Geoffrey rocks
>>153336598>spend half a year on this mystery plot>have no reveals>no-one did anything>it was all for nothing>>153337115Starline came in a woman?
>>153338439I think Japanese people like young girls more than they like pink hedgehogs or bats with tits
>>153338439Eggman didn’t build her she was an accident
>>153336552>She called him "Doctor", not "Father".Are they finally learning the subtleness of the Japanese version?
>>153338439Blame Rei Ayanami, and I mean that literally.
>>153348172It'd be the greatest defeat Dr Eggman could face
>>153331177>>153331226She's actually an AI hologram, and it was completely unintended on Eggman's part. She was just a regular ChatGPT servant he made to help him do evil stuff with some advanced ancient alien tech. That tech wound up getting tangled into her programming, giving her a personality and the ability to love, and turning her into the little goober you see here.
>>153348907>Japanese >subtlety Subhumans like you make me ashamed to be a weeb.
>>153348907Didn't the Japanese version get scripted after the English version? And didn't it sort of clash with the characters' personalities and have all sorts of contradictions?>Sage: "You are an enemy of the Doctor.">Sonic: "I wonder, who could this Doctor possibly be?"
>>153349085Yes, but the Sega shills will break their own backs bending over to suck their corporate overlords' dicks, so good fucking lucking trying to convince them that the JP branch can ever do anything wrong.
>>153329696Look, I know this is going to sound retarded and all, but who's this girl and where is she from?I assume she simply showed up in the comic and it's up to the readers to figure out the rest.
>>153349261Sonic Frontiers was her debut
>>153349344Okay.Man, I wish IDW could at least give foreign characters a basic introduction instead of just slapping them on and assume the reader is already familiar with whatever thing is Sega doing.She looks SO out of place.
>>153349484>She looks SO out of place.>"Any character who isn't Sonic but a different color is out of place."Literal retards like you are why Sonic is so shit.
>>153349261She's a super powerful AI that Eggman made that fused with magical alien tech bullshit during Frontiers and became a little anime girl. Now eggman is her protective daddy figure but shes also Sonics friend too because deviantart level fanfic writing is the norm for professional authors now
>>153349529wahhhhh wahhhhh muh humans in sonic cry about it hmofanigger
>>153347464>archie eggman creates a terminator and the phoenix for daughtersBro was on another level.
>>153349261>I assume she simply showed upThat was pretty much her game debut tooThe only people who didn't question it want to fuck her
>>153349571Didn't specify humans, but nice telling on yourself, retard. >>153349551>DeviantArt tier fanfic writingSo, Sonic the Hedgehog then. Basic self awareness is all I ask of you "people", honestly.
>>153349261Her name is Sage, and she's from Sonic Frontiers. She's Eggman's latest creation, an evil AI servant meant to simply do evil AI servant things, but a bit of alien techno-magic transformed her, and now they see each other as father and daughter and love each other very much.
>>153349667The game explains how she was created, you absolute tard. The internet was right about Sonic fans.
>>153349673>its a sperg chimpout episodeOh boy here we go
>>153347429>Sonic has become sanitized corporate slopAlways has been.
>>153349484She's probably one of the less out of place human designs IMO. Though I think the only other non-robotnik bloodline human characters that haven't been visually jarring are Professor Victoria and Sara plus her dad in the OVA.
>>153349484>Man, I wish IDW could at least give foreign characters a basic introduction instead of just slapping them on and assume the reader is already familiar with whatever thing is Sega doing.That's actually on both Sega and Evan. She just blindly assumed Sega would let her tack on an author's note (like Archie did with SA2), but Sega explicitly wanted to avoid that to keep things continuity-light. I'd pity her more about this if not for the fact LITERALLY EVERYBODY (including at IDW, like editorial and Danny Barnes) was telling her not to do big arcs like the one she's doing now with zombie Starline(?) for a reason and ended up putting herself in this situation. In fact, the minor backlash this timeline fuckup got her made her no longer accept continuity questions on her blog because "discourse makes me uncomfortable".https://spiritsonic.tumblr.com/post/804790822658850816/ah-seems-i-opened-the-floodgates-im-very
>>153349697>avoiding the pointSega simps need to be hunted down and shot. >>153349734Nah, unironically the old days before Sega really got on their control freak bullshit were a thousand times better. Shit was messy, but it was actually fun and felt like it was worth giving a damn about. Now it's just soulless and empty.
>>153349773I don't mean design wise, I just mean that humans do not seem to exist on this Sonic iteration and seeing another human beside of Eggman pop out of nowhere just looks and feels out of place.Well, at least she is not barefoot. Archie Sonic already had enough with the soles focus and the foot fetish crap.
>>153349786In fairness of Evan's poor planning, wasn't IDW's editorial also extremely adverse to humans? Acting like she'd never have to introduce Sage would seem like a safe bet under those conditions.
>>153349888Ah you mean how humanless IDW is, guess her being a hologram and a game character gives her the leeway. Admittedly I'm not fussy on the human or anthro NPC topic since it's just whatever works for what adaption even if like most people the animal characters is the main draw of the franchise besides the setting, personality and other elements. The main thing that bugs me about IDW is the lack of actually dope animals like reptiles or sea animals.
>>153349957According to Mauro Fonseca last year (pic related), his impression is that it's simply a matter of out of date brand terms (due to the comic being made in the 2010s when Sega was still traumatized by Sonic 06) and that it'd be largely trivial for IDW to update things to be more in line with Chaotix Podcast if they just sat down with Sega, but corporate inertia makes editorial take the laziest approach of sticking to the initial guidelines like glue because it's easier.
>>153350081>Sonic is shit because the corpos in charge of the IP are actually retardedShock. Gasp.
>>153334532she became less evil, and blue is less evil than red
>>153350081>corporate inertia makes editorial take the laziest approach of sticking to the initial guidelines like glue because it's easier.Seriously, why IS everything IDW puts out so slow to be done? I know they're not Big 2, but they seem particularly prone to delays for a comics company.
>>153350113To be fair, IDW has this reputation about going full retard with it's franchises and filling it to the brim with crapy token OCs unless the franchise owners keep a very tight rope around the writers and editors.
>>153350165In this case its because Sega of Japan can't hire enough people to work with IDW and make it a more consistent schedule.
>>153350165It's crazy how when IDW wants to drop a special like the Fang mini series they have to put the main book on hold meanwhile Archie had two Sonic books running concurrently for over a decade
>>153350184I will happily take a bunch of freak ass OCs over stagnation. I want things to be messy. It's more honest.
>>153350243see>>153350239Thats all Sega will approve.
>>153350262Well, then you're gonna have to go back in time and assassinate Ken Penders before he sued Sega over the existence of Sonic Chronicles. That was what they reaped by letting the Americans go unsupervised.
>>153350243>Archie had two Sonic books running concurrently for over a decadeArchie Sonic was ass. And it wasn't even Ian's fault because his work on Archie Megaman was great.
>>153350283>letting the Americans go unsupervised.JP created Chris Thorndyke and lobotimized every character so they only exist to worship Sonic. Miss me with this bullshit.
>>153350526I'm not talking quality. They have legal incentive to never stop being hands-on.
>>153350559Ken Pendejiners really ruined everthing for all future writers.
>>153350342Ian’s d yke fantasies infected it.
>>153336481Metal Sonic has got one sassy pose there.
>>153344153>>153332458I went ahead and retyped it from memory.https://rentry.co/g52parvoKeep your fucking keys.
>>153336602>Non-CanonWhich is why Sega Japan and Sega America both have to sign off on every issue and constantly demand rewrites. Cope harder.
>>153345117>Which is bullcrapIt's a completely logical sci-fi concept- the moon had a chunk of mass removed, so shifted so the side with more mass is the one being pulled by the Earth. I'm no physicist to know if it's what would happen IRL, but for a kids sci-fi series, it makes perfect sense and works better than "chunks got exploded from the moon but then froze in place, neither expelled away nor shifting into a ring"; but the latter got more memberberries and retards like you excited, so it's what we got now, instead of simply explaining the concept that already existed better.
>>153329905I don't like her outfit, doesn't really scream "series regular." She needs an outfit more in line with Dr. Eggman's if she's gonna be sticking around.
>>153336423>Edit
>>153345271Boom Eggman is actually pretty chill. He's petty but he has clear lines he won't cross and freely admits that like, a hard 90% of the shit he does is because he wants to be friends with Sonic but fucking sucks at simply talking to him like a normal person. The people on the island are unironically WAY more evil than he is once they're given even the slightest scrap of power.
>>153349261She's literally introduced two issues earlier. Others are explaining game stuff to you and behind the scenes drama because they're addicted to it, but all you literally had to do was check if the start of a three issue story has any sort of explanation. He goes "I'll need an agent I can trust", presses a button, she appears, he goes "Sage I've created you to do this thing, go do this thing, be careful".>>153350081>>153350165>and that it'd be largely trivial for IDW to update things to be more in line with Chaotix Podcast if they just sat down with SegaNot what's written in that screenshot, that's you adding your own thoughts to it.
>>153351658Daddy's little AI princess deserves only the best in style.
>>153349085>Didn't the Japanese version get scripted after the English version?It did, so for the most part Frontiers itself remains an exception, as it was the character’s introduction.It was after the game that the Western side went for a more in-your-face take of Sage calling Eggman “father”, while the Japanese version keeps calling him “Doctor” (making the few moments when she does call him “father” more special, in my opinion).See the difference in her dialogues in Crossworlds for reference.I personally like the more subtle approach the Japanese side went for with their father-daughter dynamic, but neither is technically wrong.
>>153349031>>153349222>If you compliment anything done by SoJ, you can only be a company shill.I don't know what kind of groups you frequent, anon, but I think you’d better quit them as soon as you can.
>>153352260Ideally, she'd be calling him Doctor when working and Father in private.
>>153352338Precisely, but I’ve felt the Western writers went a little too fast with her usually calling him "father" since the end of Frontiers, almost as if the dynamic itself wasn’t enough to imply it (maybe I’m wrong, feel free to correct me if I am).Maybe it was an order from SoA to soften Eggman? Whatever the case, I liked that she called him “Doctor” in that last panel.
>>153352401>the Western writersIt's Ian specifically. As with how obvious he made it the villain is Starline this issue, he's just developed an attitude of no patience for the writing, maybe an overcorrection from how long he dragged things on in Archie. You're not allowed time to develop things- they have to pay off immediately in his modern style of writing.
>>153347464Makes me wonder how Sage would’ve been handled in the preboot given how Eggman aborted Mecha. I wonder if they would’ve be good sisters to each other.>>153347514I also wonder if they’ll ever revisit the concept of the digital world.
>>153352455That's it, exactly. The plot points and emotional development are rushed, but the arcs themselves still drag on with endless dumb chase scenes.
>>153339630>>153340086The problem is there’s no way of doing that and also have her be nice with the heroes, because her goal implies she crushes them like Eggman wants. You can’t take over the world in a “nice” way, and her consistent growth full of kindness contradicts her goals directly. So pretending she can be both nice and as much of a threat as Eggman is contradictory, and just creates a flat character that shifts from one thing to another.
>>153352513It works if they also stop trying to have Eggman be portrayed as a massive threat that shatters the world as opposed to the guy that's fun for Sonic to beat. All we gotta do is not have the main writer be a guy who repeatedly tries to write Eggman like an ideal of SatAM Robotnik, torturing people and acting out of personal spite and malice and evil, thus being shown by the narrative as more unforgivable than someone who just does something big and bombastic but cartoony and comes back next week.Hold on, I'm being told something from backstage...
>>153329696Making sage call that "Thing" belle her sister should be against the mandates.
>>153352455Coming hot off the sheer drag-along that was the Duo/Clean Sweepstakes arc, one can't even say the book didn't try it the other way around.
>>153353298It was Evan in that case, though. There are many other criticisms that could be made of the stories she wrote, but I'm specifically talking about Ian's book's tendency to rush for payoffs in recent years, after years of dragging payoffs back in the Archie era.
>>153336602canon Sonic and non-canon Sonic are equally bad.
No one's ever really goneExcept for the entire fucking Archie roster.
>>153353123Look, Ian, you've been shackled with Evans for years now. Should've spoken up way back when.
>>153352499Mecha only got wiped out because Archie was doing a total purge of the bloated cast after Penders was gone from the book. Ian supposedly wanted to do more with her, but wasn't allowed to.
>>153329696How long before they come back?
these comics are so fucking bad.
>>153355188>Q:Just a fun thought experiment, but which of the Diamond Cutters are the most likely to be LGBTQIA+ and who would be what?Ian: Claire was kind of sort of hinted to have a thing for Mimic so she's straight. I would imagine Smithy is as well, but this is headcanon and stuff. If you want to think of them any way you want, go for it. The internet seems to have collectively agreed Whisper is at least gay. Slinger is bi, why not. Mimic, I don't want to say asexual, just I don't think he cares about other people at all. It's not really a LGBT+ thing, it's just he doesn't have the desire to make interpersonal connections.Kyle: Doesn't strike me as the type.
>>153355188Being dead gives Whisper an excuse to cry and for Tangle to comfort her for brownie points. The comic is never going to end this sacred cycle.
