Based or cringe.
>>153336150Based. I unironically agree with Mr A, and I hate /co/mblrDon't touch me motherfuckers
cosplaying as Mr A hitting on Harleys at the comiccon judging them for their sins
>>153336150Like Kirby all his good work was done with Lee.
>>153336779Obvious b8 but Lee was the one who managed to make Jameson likeable.
>>153336150Mr A is autistic and even if you agree with him there's nothing worth enjoying about him as a character. That said who cares since he made Spiderman and a few decent C listers like the Question and Hawk and Dove.
>>153336150Cringe. He and Kirby or others are not very good creative people. They need to bounce ideas or a corrective person.They are like AI, they need a corrective or guiding force. Just the same with Jim Lee or George Lucas!
>>153336954Botslop post spotted
>>153336150yeah, being a loser does tend to make people bitter
>>153337027Whats botslop? Because i criticise AI. A bot wouldnt.
>>153336150Based
>>153336150A child in an adult's body but a great artist
>>153336150Great artist, mediocre writer. Shade was pretty fun, though.
>>153336150Created Squirrel Girl so based.But created Spider-Man so cringe.
>>153336150Pretty based. It seems like people are too obsessed with Mr. A, there are other characters as well>>153337027It's literally the midwit take
>>153342424Mr. A is just a bad read, aside from this wordless one you posted.
>>153342454Mr. A is kino. Sadly I can't find the one in which he's smiling ;_;
>>153336150Like all great artists he was both
great artterrible monologues
>>153336150Based beyond belief. Few will accept his message
>>153336832No, no bait at all. Kirby's best comics were working with Lee. Nobody cares about his Golden Age shit and his DC and Marvel return stuff was not good.
>>153342424Mr A is so funny because to Ditko this isn't an anti hero moment or something this is just the peak of morality and how every single person should be
People who claim no one cares about Kirby's Golden Age comics are the ones who don't want people to read Kirby's Golden Age comics because Kirby fans have started realizing how much he has written predates Marvel's usage of certain ideas and starts making people ask more questions about who came up with what
>>153343357All Kirby's best stuff was at DC. His collabs with Lee are not the best of anything, even Lee's best work was with Ditko and Romita, and Moebius.
>>153343862Crazy. Kirby's DC is good ideas turned boring by subpar writing.
>>153343970As opposed to the masterful writing of Mr Stan Lee lol. It's his most creative period with his best art by far, and writing that is equally as good as his stuff with Marvel with the only issue being somewhat subpar dialogue for the time.
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>>153343784Well, that thing was a mass murderer, and one of the victims was a baby... also picrel. Mr. A won't help criminals even if they're about to die, but he doesn't kills (the other criminals in this story were arrested), and he spares them when they want to change
What would Mr. A done in this situation?
>>153345140Unironically the same. At one point, Rorschach stopped being a parody and was the only character with a moral compass
>>153345360Rorschach was never a parody. He was always an example of an extreme.
>>153347286True. He was never meant to be a dunk on Mr. A, Moore was portraying how he felt a character like that would be like in a world where everyone is playing power games.
>>153345140Died a hero like Rorshach given the mercy of dieing instead of having to hide the truth by letting him die for his beliefs.
>>153345140He would have done the exact same, except he would have tried a bit harder to convince the others and/or reach America.Rorschach basically committed suicide by Manhattan for his beliefs, Mr. A was more practical, he'd have made a more genuine effort even if it still might end with Manhattan killing him.
>>153345140Thing was, the ending proved Rorschach was completely correct. The truth WILL be figured out, and the world will be even worse off as a result since it would create a crisis of confidence in just about everything. The nation's greatest heroes, scientists, and a fucking god were all liars, megalomaniacs, and cowards? Hrrmmmmm.
>>153349672Not exactly. “I leave it entirely in your hands” suggests ambiguity—Veidt’s plan could be uncovered or not, but the peace still rests on a brittle foundation. Even something unrelated to Rorschach’s journal could end the peace, whether five, ten, or twenty or more down the line. Seymour could even read it and do nothing, like the others who stayed silent. I like this personally, the fate of the world is in the hands of a doughy intern.
>>153343862>All Kirby's best stuff was at DC.
It’s actually good for Veidt that the journal was sent to the New Frontiersman rather than another paper. In the real-world, that’s often how consent is manufactured, the legacy media refuses to cover a story that’s taken up by other, more controversial sources, allowing the media to point and claim that the source is just unhinged conspiracy theory, which delegitimizes the story in the eyes of the public.Given how easily Veidt controls the media, the journal being published might even help his plan.
>>153349755As I see it, that makes everything that Oz and Manhattan did even more pointlessly deleterious. The fact that all the pain and suffering they caused, and the nightmarish future they've in all likelihood created, could come crumbling down based on the whims of a random fatass. That doesn't speak to me of a super-genius doing the terrible but necessary work to ensure humanity's future, but a lazy, selfish, petty idiot who wanted to be rewarded for bringing a bucket to the apartment fire he started. I think a really clever bit of writing was getting the audience to buy into the notion that Oz was actually intelligent, and not just slightly more intelligent than the band of lunatics and damaged goods he surrounded himself with.
>>153342424>midwitMoron
>>153336150So is every panel just Mr A loudly announcing what vice he doesn't like? Because I don't really expect subtlety or anything but...
>>153349865He definitely saved the world for a time, right before World War 3 was going to start actually, which is why Manhattan himself agreed—to him, giving the world an extra SECOND to survive is as good as giving it a hundred years.Is Veidt as smart as he thinks? I think so, but he’s still a human trapped in time like everyone else. That’s why he wanted Jon to confirm that what he did worked out long-term, but for Jon that question is meaningless, there’s only now for him.
>>153349933ditko is often, for better or worse, about as subtle as a brick
>>153349807Sounds fucking sick
Reminder that when DC started a Post Crisis Question run in the 80s they had him shot through the head in the first issue and had calming down the Objectivism be part of his recovery.
>>153336779>KirbyMotherfucker.
>>153345140>Six Million People lie dead, and you three speak of covering for their murderer, while claiming to "value" life. >I've heard what he's said, but I'm afraid his actions speak louder.
>>153350683>Six Million People lie dead, and you three speak of covering for their murderer, while claiming to "value" life.Because not covering means many more (billions) may die.
>>153350505Pretty sure a lot of people love that run.
>>153352015Yeah that was my point. The most popular run for his most popular character was gutting everything about his entire political ideology.
>>153349865>As I see it, that makes everything that Oz and Manhattan did even more pointlessly deleteriousthe tales of the black freighter that pops up in between the issues adds some important contextsince its about a lone shipwrecked survivor trying to warn his town of a possible threat and then killing that same town in his attempt to avert the disasterso we are left with the distinct impression that ozzy osbourne over there either possibly killed millions over a danger that was never there
>>153352754Veidt caused that. He made Manhattan meltdown on live TV and leave Earth.
>>153352599It actually was in this case, though, as World War 3 was about to start. If Veidt had waited slightly longer to teleport the squid the nukes would’ve already been hitting. Although Veidt probably didn’t know just how close his plan came to failing.
>>153352772That was a way to get rid of Manhattan. I don’t think he knew how close the nukes were to launching.
>>153336761It's very funny that the person doing this is a manlet, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons were on fucking point with Rorschach.
>>153338946>A child in an adult's body Was that meant in a derogatory way?
>>153352557Ditko's most popular character was Spider-Man. I like the idea of the Question, but the Question comics themselves were largely forgettable. Ditko was on a kick in the late 60s where every new hero he created was a crusading journalist with no flaws: Mr. A, Question, Creeper, it was very one-note.
>>153343786I might have missed the one posts you mean, but i got the idea that anons talk about Kirbys non-big2 stuff.Which is kinda true with all the hero stories. They feel much more like a cartoon pitch. Kinda like Fantastic Four comics vs 60s Fantastic Four cartoon.
>>153355058Ditko was probably heavy on conspirancy. I mean 1963 was the John F Kennedy assassination. Than all the reports and stuff. Plus all the UFO things that were present.
>>153352599I think the context here is that Veidt pushed the parties to engage into a confrontation. Black Freighter can be interpreted as several things. Like Veidt is the reason WW3 was close. Or just that Veidt is thinking he is rescuing the world but is the villian or very ruthless in his methods. I also can see that this is just a commentary that not every means should be pursuid because you become what you fight.
>>153352809Many dictators are manlets. They compensate their height by hurting the world.
>>153350148I agree that Veidt is intelligent. Good point that he is still a human. He can be mislead or even assume the wrong outcome. Humans and reality just have a small chance of not reacting like they should or could.
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>>153355058Spider-Man is the one I don't like lol
>>153355688That's not necessarily true.
>>153355058Spider-man was co-created with Stan Lee and the only reason Peter Parker didn't end up thinking like Mr. A eventually was because he thought it was okay for someone to have a flawed ideology as a teenager. It's often thought that one of the reasons he left the book was because he realized Stan had no plans to grow Peter into having Objectivist politics. So while technically yes Spider-man is his most popular character The Question is the character that he'd claim reflects him the most.And then those politics had to be gutted from him to be bearable.
>>153361183I wouldn't say "had to." O'Neil's take was fine, but I also liked Morrison's, which treated the long speeches as a visual gag.
>>153336150textbook "based" as Lil B described.
>>153336150Steve Ditko was a genius ahead of his own time but he was also fucking crazy
