>>153342610
Wasn't the guy the villain was based off of just an explorer and was skinned alive and some shit? I remember /co/ making a fuss over that.

>>153342610
I don't give a fuck how offensive and racist a movie is as long as it tells a good story. Aladdin's probably racist as fuck too but I love it nonetheless.

>>153342610
Since day-1. You'll find plenty of criticism directed towards the film for using historical figures for nonsense.

The more recent (seemingly unfounded) hate I've seen is directed towards John and Pocahontas' relationship, which wokies view as pedo shit because IRL Pocahontas was barely a teen. The thing is, IRL Pocahontas and John Smith were never a couple or otherwise romantically involved. So they're projecting that onto cartoon characters of vague ages that made up lots of things.

>>153342610
Pocahontas is RFWM propaganda
>>153342634
the chick was thoroughly anglo'd too

>>153342610
Like 30 fucking years ago or whenever it came out. This movie was considered bad, or mediocre at best on release. It's never been liked at all. Pocahontas was hot though

>>153342610
Reminder that it's all Katzenberg's fault

>>153342634
Yes, but because his name was Rat and "thing that Disney characters fall off of a lot", they had to make him the villain.

>>153342610
It's always had controversy, and especially this couple. There's a reason why she's the only Disney princess who breaks up with her man in the sequel to get with a different guy.
People don't care if they fuck around with the fairy tales like they usually do, like Hercules turning the one god who isn't an asshole into the villain because "Hades must be like Satan right?". It's a bit more of an issue when it's actual historical figures.

>>153342634
He was incompetent and despised by both the settlers and the Powhatan for trying to cheat them in trade.

>>153342610
When people started finding out about the real story of Pocahontas, and that the movie is based on some guy's fan fiction.

Brainlets literally cannot comprehend what art is. It's a waste of time talking to these people. If you showed them something like Giulio Cesare they'd genuinely be confused that it's not a documentary about Caesar and Cleopatra and call it wrong.

>>153342952
>It always had controversy
Yes.
>and especially this couple
No. That is revisionist history.

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>>153342610

It's weird that Disney still pushes her as part of the Disney Princess lineup, their upcoming hotel that replaced River Country will be themed around Pocahontas

>>153342610
I'm not gonna sugercoat it

America doesn't give a fuck about Indians

>>153342610
This moment is the only historically accurate thing in the movie.

>>153342634
Yes. All of the white settlers were just normal guys trying to build value. The natives were savage maneaters who breed through rape and were 1000x more prejudice against other members of their own race belonging to different tribes than any European ever was to any dark race.

>>153342691
>Aladdin is probably racist
It isnt.

>>153342711
I thought irl pocahontas was like 6, and this moment where she lays her head next to John's was the first and last time they met.

>>153342743
Great music too

>>153342970
wait until they hear about harriet tubman

>>153343215
We certainly shouldn't but the truth is white Americans venerate native americans.

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>>153342610
People always found in controversial in a way, because it uses historical figures but changes them to fit an idealize story. What I find is that Pocahontas was supposedly done by Disney's A team, and the B team worked on Lion King. LK came out first, costed $45mil to make, bringing in $979mil, while Poc costed $10mil more and didn't even bring in half of LK's run (Poc made $346mill). Pic unrelated.

>adult native woman has to choose between a basic pale white guy and a native chad
>chooses the white guy
Fairly realistic. I don’t know why people are complaining. The music was kind of meh save for like the two songs everyone knows and loves.

>>153342610
Pocahontas is arguably more racist than Song of the South ever was.

>>153342952
>>153343139
>>153342610
Most of Pocahontas old myth was myth. John Smith's story of being rescued by Pocahontas was the same story he told when he visited the Ottomans previously.

The real Pocahontas was disowned by her own father, because of her unhealthy obsession with the settlers. The settlers didn't really settle, but instead made a nuisance of themselves. They didn't grow their own food, and when their sponsors failed to bring them provisions, they raided the natives to steal food and kidnap locals to exchange for food.

At some point, they kidnap Pocahontas to exchange for corn, and her father basically says "keep her", having disowned her long ago and let her live with some other local tribe.

Not to suggest the natives were saintly figures that spent their days wallowing in their eco-awareness. They were racist drug addicts that made war with each other and anyone that bugged them. They were at least good at farming, because they lived there and new what would grow. They did try to help the settlers to set up their own corn farms, and fed them for a while, before basically giving up because all the settlers wanted to do was dig for gold while others fed them. There was, of course, no reason to believe there was any gold in the area to begin with.

>>153342634
Yes and it was actually during a mission of peace where he was skinned alive. For what it's worth he really fucked up some past trade agreements so the natives didn't trust him, but it was more because he was a retard and not out of malicious practice. He was actually in favor of coexistence with the natives and an active proponent of it.

>>153342610
The left has run out of things to be offended by today that they are even going back in time.

>>153342691
It's a terrible story and eyerolling in its bluntness and Oscar begging. That's why people shat on it.

>>153342634
They guy was actually a really good govenor for the natives. He went out of his way to trade fairly with them and try to have good relations. In return they gave him an agonising death.

You read the full story of Pocahontas and it's clear the Native Americans were also cunts doing the exact same shit people crap on the settlers for doing.

Also Pocahontas was happy in England had a good life and moved out into the countryside because her husband was worried about her health. She also refused to go back to America a number of times (and died when she was eventually convinced to come back).

>>153343666
That was common across tribes though. Lewis from the Lewis and Clark expedition wrote about how infant girls would be traded for goods. He also wrote that the men would send women and girls to the Expedition’s encampment to barter themselves for goods. The captains never engaged, but their men did. The women also slept with Clark’s black slave because they’d never seen blacks; not even for bartering (he was a slave after all), they just slept with him because he was black.

>>153342610
>Pocahontas
>not 12
>not naked
>no shaved head

>>153342610
White people hate themselves for making a native american movie because depicting native americans is racist
Also it's kinda mid despite the budget and hype

>>153343747
I would imagine it was a case of him getting along well with most tribes, but then ran into the one full of assholes who brutally killed him because another white man had pissed them off.

>>153343380
Some Arab organisation protested the movie because the opening number had the line "follow me to a land in a faraway place where the caravan camels roam. Where we'll cut off your ears if we don't like your face; it's barbaric, but hey! It's home!"
After the theatrical release, every rerelease had the line changed to something about it being hot as fuck rather than accurately describing Middle Easterners as uncivilised monsters.

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>>153342610
Because whites feel really uncomfortable about their history of genociding the natives.
It's a national embarrassment they want to avoid acknowledging. Like the Japanese do with the Rape of Nanking. Or Turks do with the Armenian Genocide. Or the Austrians do with Hitler. Or China does with Tienanmen Square.

On the other hand the "noble savage" propaganda is a bit out of control. But considering the "savage" propaganda got them all fucking killed, I'd call it fair play. The least we can do for wiping out their civilization is pretend like they were nice guys. If you want something more historically grounded, maybe just don't get your history from disney movies.

>>153342610
Always.
People thought Pocahontas was a clear step down from the other Disney films of the time when it released. The movie has insane tonal whiplash from the silly animal shenanigans and the settlers vs native conflict.

>>153343215

Horse Show S1_ "Over a Barrel" proved that they still didn't in 2011

>>153342610
In 1995.

>>153344074
>If you want something more historically grounded, maybe just don't get your history from disney movies.
This. Also, go talk to some actual decedents of natives, because surprise, some of them are willing to acknowledge any bullshit their ancestors did, which a lot of other people can't seem to do.
>>153344097
Same thing with Hunchback (which came out the year after), you got this serious story about religion and persecutions, but then cut to scene of Gargoyles fucking around.

>>153343747
Correct. Native Americans valued land as much as the whites did and fought wars over it. They absolutely had concepts of property and wealth. They also recognized that being allied with the French or British could be useful in their fights with their rivals.

>>153342968
You need to take charges of incompetence with a grain of salt, pretty much everyone who ever ran Jamestown was at some point charged with incompetence, including John Smith. Also Ratcliffe was charged with being to favorable to the Powhatan in trade deals.

>>153343405
Somewhere between 10 and 13, she visited Jamestown on several occasions and had several interactions with Smith in Orapax (the Powhatan capital), and met her again in England.

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>>153343160

I never met a girl who was a fan of Pocahontas growing up, they always called her "boring" from the lineup. Hell Raya has some fans mostly for the yuri with Namaari but she dosn't any have fans.

>>153343547
Really? I liked all the songs aside from the villain one.

>>153344074
>On the other hand the "noble savage" propaganda is a bit out of control. But considering the "savage" propaganda got them all fucking killed, I'd call it fair play. The least we can do for wiping out their civilization is pretend like they were nice guys. If you want something more historically grounded, maybe just don't get your history from disney movies.

Such a funny mindset.
"Sure this group was demonized and killed, its only fair your group now has all nuance removed and demonized too, sure nothing bad can come from doing that".

Tbh, data shows that white people are the only group without in group bias. So white people are most likely to hate themselves and put other raes on a pedestal.

>>153343747
The colonists hated him for lying to the natives and provoking their ire with aggression, hoarding food for himself in times of hunger, and other things like making them build him multiple mansions while neglecting other projects on the settlement, the latter of which his colonists called “Ratcliffe’s Palace” out of contempt. The early colonies were like failing company towns, they were crown corporations run by gold rush failsons and staffed by people in peonage.

He ultimately tried to use two of the chief’s other children as hostages to trade for food, and that’s when the locals tied him to a pole and flayed him alive for his crimes.

>>153343160
>>153344238
I've heard mixed reception from natives, too. At the time they kinda shrugged off the historical inaccuracies because movies where a settler was the bad guy and natives were nuanced and positive were very rare, and some native moms put it on for their daughters as a result, but general consensus nowadays seems to be "It's time to try again and do it better."

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>>153344238
Chalk that up to Disney not really using her, mostly because they don't want to step on toes. Legit, the time frame between showing up in HoM and Ralph 2 was 15 years, she didn't even show up in Sofia the First, which had every other DP (except Moana and Raya, since their films didn't release yet).

Lefties hate it because within the first 10 minutes, Chief Litter-on-the-Freeway is celebrating his tribe’s victory over neighboring savages. This pokes a hole in the whole “colonizers on stolen land” argument because all “native” Americans literally killed other aboriginals to claim their territory.

>>153342610
Twl potential answers to this question
1) The lefties have been shifting even further left since the 90s, and now the film is a racist fetishization of native culture and apologia for white colonization by not painting the Europeans as uniformly evil and destructive to the Indians.
2) You're on the right and learned that the the noble savage memes were a crock of shit.

>>153342610
I remember having to write a history paper on what the movie got wrong in high school, so 2002?

>>153343958
>>153343958
Fuck off catfish

>>153342610
Boring movie but I will admit that Pocahontas is fucking hot

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>>153344445
>This pokes a hole in the whole “colonizers on stolen land” argument
No it doesn't.
The natives are actually native to the land. They've been there for like 5000 years. They squabbled over territory, but outsiders from across the pond have absolutely no claim. Just because land was in dispute doesn't mean it's up for grabs by anyone.

>>153344074
If we're speaking solely in idealistic terms, then I don't think any nationality or ethnicity should have to "apologize" for anything as firstly, history has showed all of them are capable of evil and large scale massacres are more the consequence of circumstances lining up than of a race's propensity for evil and secondly, most cultures worldwide seem to agree today that nobody is responsible for their ancestors' crimes.

There's also another aspect, the fact that everyone shares more ancestors than they think. Should a black guy pay reparations because of 5% european DNA, pay a reduced amount, or does it depend on appearance? It's best we recognize the past for what it is and avoid repeating it but completely give up the idea of ethnic guilt.

>>153344074
there's hardly any "pure" natives nowadays. they're all watered down with european dna.

>>153345102
So we should apologize for raping their grandma too.

>>153345143
He should also apologize for raping his grandma.

>>153342610
When did Nostalgia Chick's review come out? 15 years ago? At l east since then.

>>153344437
Huh weird. I guess there's a legitimate reason to only have white princesses then.

>>153345143
meh. my great grandmother was 100% native and got with a ukrainian guy of her own volition (guessing because the residential school system fucked her up and made it impossible for her to connect with her family). her kids were then too white passing for the native camp and too ethnic for the white camp so they were universally ostracized and moved across the country. they were then all fucked up degenerate addict losers, and now they're all dead. this is in a "progressive" country like canada too that likes to pretend racism doesn't exist here from the outside looking in. yeah racism doesn't exist if you look like a white european or neatly fit an ethnic group visually where you can "find your people", for sure, everyone else can eat shit and die apparently.

>>153344835
why does being somewhere first mean you have a claim on it, anyway?

>>153346474
Because anything else is stealing.
You can't lay claim to land people have been living on for 5000 years. When your ancestors have been living there since the time of the Great Pyramids, that's your fucking land. This is cut and dry. They didn't just stick down a flag and claim the continent. They settled it gradually over millennia.

>>153342610
It's actually interesting that they thought they could get away with it even by 90s standards

>>153344282
>The colonists hated him for hoarding food for himself in times of hunger,
Yes.
>Lying to the natives and provoking their ire with aggression
They also hated him for being too generous to the natives.
>He ultimately tried to use two of the chief’s other children as hostages to trade for food, and that’s when the locals tied him to a pole and flayed him alive for his crimes.
He straight up released the chief's children rather than keep them as hostages, which is quite possibly what got him murdered.

>>153342610
From the day it came out until the heat death of the universe.

>>153342610
When Disney thought that boring historic(ly innacurate. Where's the scene of Pocahontas doing naked cartwheels outside of the European's camp to tease them?) shit would win against a fantasy story about talking animals.

>>153347280
They should make it historically accurate but keep Pocahontas as an adult.

>>153344728
What in the fuck are you on about, retard? That's not what a catfish is and the claim is 100% true. It's literally the first thing mentioned on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin_(1992_Disney_film)#Controversies

>>153342634
apparently he dindu

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>>153344499
The 6 minute sex scene was a bit egregious, no?

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>>153344499
When your ancestral spirit tree tells you to get white dick

>>153348855
She legitimately looks like a pussy wtf, she even has a clit for a nose

>>153343685
This is the one live-action villain movie I would see, so of course they won't make it

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>>153348693
What do you think the point was of not depicting her as a 13 year old? Had to get that passed the MPAA somehow. Having the song sequence be in time with the fucking was something I shouldn't have found as funny as I did, but when the time signature would change with the positions, it was so jarring I couldn't help it.

>>153342610
I'm always caught between deciding that twitter posters like in OP are just extraordinarily retarded, or are deliberately playing dumb to signal that they're just too above the content they're discussing to understand it.

>>153342610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiuBw_kj1-U
Shouldn't have deleted the song.

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>>153342610
Since ever?
Its been seen as the weakest of 90s disney since it came out and the best defense people can come up with is "it's not that bad"

I like it, but its much weaker than any Renaissance movie. Plus, the fact it's based on a real life story makes it extremely conentious. With that said, Pocahontas by far is not only the hottest Disney Princess, but the hottest character Disney has ever made.

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>>153350362
It's as based on a real story than if I made a cartoon of Lewis and Clark and Sacagawea in which they went through America and found talking animals singing songs.

>>153344074
No it was the Spaniards who rape genocided the natives in Mexico/ South America. .
All the White people in North America just wanted to chill and live but the natives kept trying to scalp us so we had to put them on reservations .

>>153342610
From day 1 Disney saw it as nothing else but Oscar bait. The historical innacuracies, racism and unfortunate implications are all secondary in this case. If it looks, walks and talks like a shitty attempt at getting an Oscar, then it IS a shitty attempt at getting an Oscar.

Plus the only good song in the film is Colors of the Wind. the villain song and Savages outright suck (despite David Ogden Stiers and Jim Cummings singing them) and Just Around the Riverbend is mid at best.

>>153348563
The western diet ruined natives. Now they are all obese.

>>153350442
If you make Sacagawea look like Disney Pocahontas I'd like it, too

>>153350473
Oh sure, Imperial England found a vast new land inhabited by primitive people, and just wanted to be peaceful friends. And then the evil savages attacked them for no reason.
You have to be the biggest idiot drawing breath in the whole world to believe this.

>>153350688
Honestly the English just wanted to handle the American Indians the way they later handled the Indian Indians. It was really the French that got in the way of that, using them as insurgent proxies in their war with England.

>>153350785
> the way they later handled the Indian Indians
Tie them to loaded cannons and fire?

>>153350688
Any other group would have actually exterminate the red skins but White people being massive moral-fags foolishly didn’t

>>153350794
Make their princes/chiefs subject to the crown and then pretend that's fine for decades then later when it becomes clear it's not fine do yeah that to the princes/chiefs and take over their tribes directly.

>>153349873
true, even if you take away the controversial subject and historical inaccuracies, it's just a very mid movie.

>>153350820
that doesn't make what they did okay.

>>153350841
Stop pretending you have a moral compass we both know you are a piece of shit.

>>153344183
They’d screw each other over land too using the European settlers.
I remember a story of some tribe passing through starts negotiating with some settlers for the land, sold it to them despite them not even living there and they moved on. Then the actual tribe who lived on that land wondering who the fuck these pale devils are saying they own this land now lmao

>>153342610
the very second it came out. Possibly beforehand
This movie is so bad it made me not watch Brother Bear, though I'm told that was actually good.

>>153342610
BLEACH'D

>>153342691
Anon
it's woke, not racist. I mean wokeism is racist, yeah, but
Aladdin is just history. it's centuries of storytelling tradition FROM that area. and it's super sanitized up.

>>153344313
this is nuance to you?
the settlers literally sing about how the natives aren't human

fucking 50s cowboy movies were more nuanced

>>153344313
>"It's time to try again and do it better."
When did 4chan become such a Woke cesspool?

>>153342952
>the one god who isn't an asshole
Come on, Hestia and Hephaestus aren't bad.

>>153351082
You're on /co/. We've always been 4chan's Weenie Hut.

>>153351142
This, /co/ is love, /co/ is life

>>153350907
I'm not the one defending genocide, but you do you.

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>>153351165
/co/mfy /co/mrades

>>153351176
No one give a shit go anhero faggot

>>153342610
Always was if you're a female university student in the U.S.

>>153344097
It's just a boring and weird movie with its head up its butt.

/thread

>>153345979
>this is in a "progressive" country like canada too that likes to pretend racism doesn't exist here from the outside looking in

I'm pretty sure are excessive amount of Indians is just a legal slave trade at this point. And everyone hates them so much more than most countries now. Which is saying a lot. An ex BlackRock executive and ex Chinese ambassador are in charge of getting like billions of Indians here under the Century Initiative its actually insane. So now I am full of even more antisemitism and anti Chinese even more than after I realized circumcision was invented by jews and after covid.

Just...fuck man. Also we let indians rape murder and get lesser sentences and shit apparently and the residential school mass graves were all made up bullshit... I'll still always love colors of the wind as a song though...

>>153351486
> re than after I realized circumcision was invented by jews
No. That was legitimately created by God himself to symbolize the whole honor God over your own desires.

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>>153342610
I thought it was amusing to find out that the Sonic comic had this little rip on the movie. This was late 1995, just months after release

>>153343958
you didn't exactly say anything about the movie being racist, are you saying they don't chop off your appendages over there over trivial shit?

>>153342610
Like, right after the movie came out?

>>153344548
I mean, not a crock filled ENTIRELY with shit. They had a nobility. Big emphasis on 'had.'
Peace could have been established, cultures shared, useful things kept while wrong things stamped out, etc.
>>153346708
why?
>>153351570
Ray the Flying Squirrel looks different...
>>153351515
Well that, and also as a way to make sure nobody is faking. The guy you replied to (and a certain other guy people can't stop talking about) are a perfect examples of why it's important to have some way of telling who's really on your side, and who's just pretending so they can undermine you. Snipping off a few millimeters (they used to merely 'keep the tip') is a good way to prove commitment, because unless a bizarre graham-cracker-eating social movement springs up, nobody is going to do that en masse for any reasons other than loyalty to your religion. Every time you participate in athletics or go fishing or do a cleaning ritual, whenever your tackle's out, people go 'oh, that guy's different, I wonder what his deal is' and when you ARE dressed, you have the li'l tassels to do that. It's a way of proselytizing without being a pushy door-to-door asshole about it. Just wait for people to ask questions.
I wish that kinda thing came up in Superbook or Greatest Bible Adventures or any of those other cartoons I grew up on, it was weird having to find it out myself as an adult. I thought I wasn't circumcised, I had no idea what it was.

>>153343160

Unrelated but when did they comfirmed that they finally killed River Country?

>>153342610
like... when the movie came out?

>>153350841
I can tell you are a self-hating white person everyone would be much happier if you just Canadian health cared yourself

>>153342610
It's always been hip. You're just late.

mm... indigenussy

>>153342610
>When did it become hip to hate Pocahontas?
1995.

>>153347312
>but keep Pocahontas as an adult.
Coward.

>>153344238
Who the heck is Raya

>1989: The Little Mermaid
>1990: DuckTales movie/The Rescuers Down Under
>1991: Beauty and the Beast
>1992: Aladdin
>1994: The Lion King
>1995: A Goofy Movie/Pocahontas
>1996: The Hunchback of Notre Dame
>1997: Hercules
>1998: Mulan
>1999: Doug's 1st Movie/Tarzan

Pocahontas isn't the best of the Disney traditional animation movies released in the theaters from that era, but it isn't the worst either

>>153356724
Funny how the Disney blockbuster movies were consistently good in the late 90s and then returned to being mediocre, afterwards.

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The earliest design of Pocahontas was LITERALLY Tiger lily. Obviously it was supposed to be temporary, but it's still kinda funny. Pocahontas was originally gonna be like 10 or 11, but the higher ups had decided that they wanted a Romeo and Juliet story that had teenage appeal.

>>153350996

Brother Bear's actually kino

>>153356909

Just like we currently are with Encanto being followed by Strange World or Zootopia 2 being followed by Hexes

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>>153357090
>what do 10 year old boys want to see?
>uh how about a 10 year old indian girl
Walt was based for doing this.

>>153356909
Until Tangled. The revival era (2010 - ?) is long over by now.

Pocahontas is interesting for being the last Disney movie which Katzenberg supervised

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>>153357561
Katzenberg was already at DreamWorks when Pocahontas premiered, but make no mistake. He supervised the whole movie.

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>>153342610
It's less retarded if you think about it more like American folk-tales centered around historical figures (in the same vein as Richard the Lionheart and King John in Robin Hood) instead of actual history. Still, they sanitized a lot like they do with a lot of fairytales, and that always pisses people off, and not unduly.
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>>153348563
I love red women so much, it's unreal

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>>153357708
Yeah Iw would say it works as a vague story with native Americans.

There are worse examples like making a movie about a little girl gunned down and thrown in a dark hole with a woman taking her place years later.

>>153342610
>When did it become hip to hate Pocahontas?
Because the real “Pocahontas” was a 12 year old Powhatan girl named Matoaka who was stolen from her home by a grown white man and brought to England where she was forced to bear his sons. she died before she was even 22 and never saw home again.

>>153358280
This is incorrect.

>>153358280
Hot

>>153342610
Since day 1. Movie was dull when it came out and it's only aged better because it isn't CG sloppa.

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Pocahontas' real name was Matoaka, Pocahontas in Powhattan means "trouble child", she was a rambunctious kid. She married at 18 and had a child 3 years later., and then she herself died 2 years later from European diseases her American body wasn't prepared for, many such cases. When she moved to England with her husband John Rolfe they changed her name to Rebecca after she joined the church.

>>153343666
To be fair, nobody in the 1600's understood how geology worked. They just assumed there'd be gold in the New World because the Spanish stole all of the Aztec gold.
Eastern North America was basically worthless insofar as the European's interests were concerned, and it took time for the colonialists to adapt. They went there seeking gold and silver, and had to accept that what they were going to get out of it was tobacco, cotton, and furs.

>>153359257
Also don't forget the Spanish and French were in a rush to settle the new land and England wanted in on that pie. This was also back when they didn't properly understand the actual nature of the world's geography, even after they settled there for decades Gov William Berkeley was looking for this secret passage leading the continental US to the east India ocean to look for better spice and silk trade routes.

>>153342634
Yeah

>>153350473
Nope

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>>153357547
For me it's 2009 with P&F to Moana in 2016 as the revival era. Then the fumble with Ralph 2, F2 is a sequel, Raya's only memorable thing is people wanting to fuck the dragon, Encanto was actually good, but then gets followed up with Strange World and Wish (Wish is especially egregious given it was supposed to be the BIG anniversary movie). We then got two more sequels (with Moana 2 being a stitched together mess that was supposed to be a show) and Zoo2 (which was good).
2020's ain't looking so hot for their original ideas (meaning sequels are excluded), here's hoping Hexed is good (shame about the plot change). In terms of upcoming projects for the Animated canon, it's just sequels (Frozen 3 and 4)

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>>153357319
Something something about Walt and "Indian" girls.
You guys know the quote.

>>153360203
from what I'm familiar with in eastern NA tribes, headware feather count is tied to your role or social standing, having a feather at all is for less than half the population. Is this congruent through most the tribes as a whole? Because at first glance throwing a feather on someone's head without a meaning seems like a misfire in design accuracy.

>>153342952
>It's a bit more of an issue when it's actual historical figures.
The biggest controversy is aging up a very young teenager and shipping her with another historical figure. Her status of freedom is also heavily debated, whether she was given away by her father in an arranged marriage or whether she was abducted, so to portray her in the story as having entirely free autonomy is also a slap in the face to the real probably 13-year old girl who was probably treated closer to property and a spectacle than an individual.

We've had historical adaptations that miss the mark or just totally make up stuff. "Hamilton" is absolutely blazing nuts popular despite turning all the Founding Fathers into rap artists. The Neftlix Cleopatra was just a discussion of how embarrassingly wrong it was. If this were an entirely fictional story, it might just make people roll their eyes at the "noble savage" at best but Katzenberg turning a teen girl into a love interest for heart throb (At the time) Mel Gibson was all sorts of strange, even despite any good intentions they might've had for trying to accurately portray Powhatan culture.

>>153343160
This ruins the view from Fort Wilderness

>>153360147
>and Zoo2 (which was good).

Hey you must accept reptiles (migrants) who will bring their "culture" to your civilization what we won't tell you is that their culture is to KILL and replace you idiot Non Jews. Zootopia 2 is shit. Anyone who likes it needs to be euthanized like an unwanted feral cat at an animal shelter.

>>153360414
>Mel Gibson

Nowadays he dedicates his time exposing how the Jews are ruining the United States.

>>153360776
I cant tell if this is bait or your just that fucking retared but here
Kenai didn't need to kill the bear, like at all. It was a mother bear so it would've left sooner or later, Kenai fucked up by leaving fish unattended- which guess what dipshit, is a retaredd thing to do in nature- and most importantly he didn't need to hunt the bear, literally. He could've just taken his humiliation/ punishment and just not messed with the GRIZZLY. Had the bear stuck around and become a threat they would've been like "let's take care of it" but Kenai older brother was like "this is your fault. Messing with the bear won't do anything." Which is a smart thing to say because it's a grizzly, everyone knows you give them a wide bearth.

He could've left the bear alone and his brother would've been alive that's the point. Don't be petty or stupid, it does no one good.

>>153360414
>but Katzenberg turning a teen girl into a love interest
John Smith already did this, Katzenburg was just relaying it faithfully in the film.

>>153360888
>Hey you must accept reptiles (migrants)
not migrants, hillbillies
zoo 2 is actually about 2nd amendment rights.

>>153360924
Fuck you. I want to grab you and feed you to wild animals because I can't stand self hating retards like you. Political correctness is a disease and the infected must be killed. You are shit for wasting your empathy on a feral beast who has no qualms about killing you strictly because it crossed your path.

>>153360366
Most Eastern woodland tribes would sometimes wear a feather headband for special occasions, but for them it was just decorative and any nice looking feather would do. Specific eagle feather warbonnets that you had to earn through bravery was particular to the plains Indians. Either way it wasn't a daily garment. The biggest design inaccuracy is that she's barefoot.

>>153360414
>13
I understand the desire to remove any whitewashing of historical events that is common in children's media, but Matoaka was around 17-19 when she married John Rolfe, who was 29. Allegedly she had a previous marriage to a fellow Powhatan when she was 13, but the mere existence of this man is hotly debated.

>>153360985
It's a fucking GRUZZLY BEAR
The need to kill a grizzly is equal to how much it's fucking with you because it can kill you 19 out of 20 times. Leave shit alone and it leaves you alone cause it doesn't know you, it doesn't know if you can kill it. It knows it psnot worth messing with you unless its trading out. Don't fuck with shit is a message of Beother Bear

>>153360414
Once you actually listen to the lyrics of "Savages" you can tell how corny the whole movie was.
It's very much 90's liberal "coexist" worldview that just more naive that stupid

>>153344499
Whoa, look at 'em go.
...Maybe it's just me getting old.

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>hip

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They should just make a movie about John Smith before he came to Virginia

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>>153342610
If they wanted to do a Native American cartoon they should have made one about hiawatha

>>153350442
That could have been pretty good.
You'd have to add some "bad guy" for them to deal with to make it more dramatic but the basics of their real life is interesting enough for a cartoon movie

>>153362809
That is a Disney short from the 1930's.

>>153360414
>so to portray her in the story as having entirely free autonomy is also a slap in the face to the real probably 13-year old girl who was probably treated closer to property and a spectacle than an individual
That's a big assumption to make. Is there any evidence to suggest that she was unhappy with her marriage?

>>153363250
All women were unhappy in their marriages in the dark days prior to feminism.
It's a widely accepted fact.

>>153363289
It's widely accepted that you're full of shit

>>153361535
All woke ethnic girls are like this

>>153359654
Yep

>>153344074
>we

>>153344074
>genociding

>>153342952
I was really autistic about Greek mythology as a kid and got pissed off watching the movie or the Hercules cartoon when Hades cowers to Zeus that he wouldn't hurt his baby brother. Even though Zeus is the youngest of the children of the titans and Hades is one of the oldest.

>>153344835
>but outsiders from across the pond have absolutely no claim
their claim was having more and better weapons than the other side, just like every other successful, conquering tribe to ever walk the Americas

>>153363509
But why?

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>>153343376
>>153343685
>>153343747
This is why I legitimately laugh when people try the whole "oh muh poor injuns evil white people killed them" like you're god damned right we killed them, we invented the 44 caliber 6 shooter for the sole purpose of killing them and I'm only sorry I wasn't there to shoot some of them too.

You'll never hear the heebed out government schools ever in a million years talk about what they put white settlers through to make them finally give up on treating them like human beings, people who are taught colonial history don't even know who pic related was, who was scalped when he was 14 and had to live his whole life with his fucking skull exposed. Whenever ever someone tries to bring up the indian wars like my people were the bad guys I instantly think of this picture and laugh.

>>153366424
Maybe the Europeans should have stayed in Europe? Everything the Natives did was in self defense.

>>153366463
maybe you should self terminate

>>153366463
>Everything the Natives did was in self defense.

Literally the other way around, my ancestors bent over backwards trying to coexist with animals and finally got tired of it, they deserved way worse than what happened to them. Any other ethnic group on earth would have 100% extinguished them from the face of the earth for the shit they did to people.

>>153342610
Pocahontas was always a weird bit of 90s progressivism

>>153366463
Very anti-semitic post (modern Jews are italians)

Something something historically inaccurate. Something something offensive

>>153344835
Their claim was right of conquest which is the general through-line for all of human history. Your "right" to land begins and ends on whether you have the power to enforce it.

>>153366463
And? Politics is about deciding who the acceptable targets are. It's only self-defense if it's someone whose life you value, otherwise it's 'revenge,' 'treason,' or 'violent insanity.'

Trying to clawhammer a low value for the lives of settlers into a sterling remuneration of mass genocide on behalf of a disenfranchised minority is a form of pathetic narcissism and amoral degeneracy that only fundamentally complacent minds can conscien. If you want to represent the goddamn First Peoples' interest so bad, how about you go to some of them and start there?

>>153366463
>torture, rape and murder are self defense
You're right anon, injuns are just like palestinians

>>153366424
>>153366492
Dial it back some man. You're trying too hard to fit in with >muh super based racist 4chan secret club.

>>153344074
>Or Turks do with the Armenian Genocide.
Talk to a Turk, especially one who emigrated to Germany
They aren't embarrassed, they wish they finished the job

>>153350688
>Imperial England
The Kingdom of England wanted a healthy relationship with the natives and was at odds with the colonists

>>153350794
>Tie them to loaded cannons and fire?
Congratulations, you've swallowed decades old propaganda
British India was a string of diplomatic vassals profiting from a relationship, some of which hated each other
Imagine aliens coming down to your country, codifying your language, teaching you burning windows alive is wrong, giving you space lifts to export to the galaxy, handling all shipping costs, giving you famine relief aid and even taught you caste is wrong (you still do it), and then the day they left you started murdering your neighbours with a smile on your face
That's the history of British India

>>153357090
This is when you learn Juliet was also 13 years old

>>153360985
>HOW DARE YOU NOT POKE THE BEAR!

>>153344839
>It's best we recognize the past for what it is and avoid repeating it

But some people don’t ever want to acknowledge that. If anything they repeatedly try to make it okay instead of it being bad. Look at how many conservatives to this fucking day try to rewrite history so that their side looks good. Confederate apologists haven’t given up trying to paint themselves as the real victims. For the love of God, you have people stilll arguing slavery wasn’t that bas because slaves were taught a profession so that more complicated work could be exploited from them. Or how racists assholes keep insisting black people were better off being slaves in America, and that black people sold slaves to whites so actually American chattel slavery was not bad or evil system.

The only people with issues of guilt are the people who can’t accept we did bad things in the past and that’s why they play mental gymnastics in order to justify it and whitewash it. Also, simple acknowledgment does dick all. You need actions, mechanisms to prevent it from happening again because people don’t fucking learn the way you seem to think. Within the past decade you’ve had people elect Donald Trump twice and both times immediately go “WTF I DIDN’T WANT THIS, I DIDN’T THINK HE WAS SERIOUS!” when he assumed office and starting implementing his policies. Human beings are fucking stupid and don’t learn their lesson like in children’s books.

>>153366964
You are the one trying to rewrite History. Do you actually believe any of the bullshit you are spewing or is someone paying you?

It probably would have made more sense if it was just like a fictional Indian.

>>153342610
This is just the average mixed-race couple in America today, Asian/Latinx woman and blond man

>>153367058
That is not how I or anyone in this thread learned the benefits of hydration.

>>153366492
>>153366424
Samurai used to test swords on random passerby and they had ritual serial killer headhunters who beheaded people. Europeans had multiple multi-decade long holy wars where people got murdered en masse.

Native Americans were not uniquely peaceful, but it's just as fucking stupid to act like they were unique bad as you're doing