No amount of meta-writing is ever going to make Superboy-Prime a "good guy," and it’s crazy how many fans are just eating up his recent redemption arc. People seem to conveniently forget that this guy is a brutal mass murderer. He didn't just cause collateral damage; he threw a tantrum and beat Conner Kent to death, wiped out Earth-15, and punched Pantha’s head clean off her shoulders. DC leaning into this self-aware, tragic joke about toxic fandom doesn't erase the actual atrocities he committed. It’s wild that they expect us to forgive an entitled, whiny man-child just because he got a little self-reflective at the end.What makes it worse is how the rest of the DC universe handles him. Given his body count, the in-universe logic is completely broken. He shouldn't get to have these sympathetic, misunderstood moments. If you slaughtered half the Teen Titans and ripped Risk's arm off, you don't get a pass. Every time Prime shows up, anyone who survived Infinite Crisis should be treating him as an absolute, shoot-on-sight threat. The fact that the surviving heroes tolerate him instead of immediately trying to put him in the ground for what he did to their friends isn't character growth—it's just bad writing.
I know you're upset his new comics are more like your old one's than your newer ones GwenGet off the keyboard
>>153346992I mean, I agree, but his meta narrative shtick is also just bad, I'd wipe him from continuity just to get rid of all that.
>>153346992He's a shitty character.
>>153346992You Jasonfags are so jelly.
>>153346992A brazillian comic book blogger from Melhores do Mundo wrote this.
>>153346992Hal Jordan killed way more people
Stop hating OP
>>153346992It was like 4 reboots ago geez, the d listers he killed came back and were killed in far less memorable ways
>>153346992Are you going to compare him to Punchline again?
>>153346992>It’s wild that they expect us to forgive an entitled, whiny man-child just because he got a little self-reflective at the end.Considering that Halloween special, the real reason is that Johns & Dan Didio's influences were removed from him.
>>153346992>anyone who survived Infinite Crisis should be treating him as an absolute, shoot-on-sight threatI prefer heroes not being retarded and not unnecessarily escalating a situation by attacking a Kryptonian that's trying to do good now.Clearly they still don't trust him, and that's fine, but there's also no reason to fight him or even try to jail him again, as both of those have failed.If he's trying to do good now, I say let him, it's better than the alternatives.
>>153347278Jasonbros and Primepatriots are friends.
>>153347599The "don't escalate unnecessarily" argument would hold water if Prime had a normal villain's history, but it collapses under the weight of his specific body count. This isn't about distrust — it's about proportionality. The heroes have gone to war over far less. The idea that they'd extend patience to the guy who beat Conner Kent to death while his friends watched, purely because he's "trying now," isn't pragmatism, it's selective amnesia written in to service a plot.And "better than the alternatives" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Better for whom? Not for Pantha, or the Titans he wiped out, or the entire population of Earth-15. Survivor characters tolerating Prime doesn't read as mature or strategic — it reads as the narrative protecting him because DC has decided he's interesting now
>>153347910>Not for PanthaPantha is alive again and is a mother, you would know if you read comics.
>>153347910Objectively, it would be retarded to attack Prime while he's trying to do good.There's no argument there, you can hate him all you want, but if Superman believes in him and he's genuinely trying to do good, there is literally no reason to start a fight against him, specially considering how strong he is.
>>153347910New fans aren't capable of understanding the spite of that era from DC, to the point they just treat it as broad strokes.
i dont anything about superboy. was he the one that punched the multiverse apart ot something?
>>153348000Yeah, he's pretty famous about that now.
>>153346992u mad?
I feel bad for Brazilian schizo. Seems like he has an empty life.
>>153347960Superman's judgment on redemption is famously, almost comically, unreliable. This is a man who has trusted Lex Luthor, Zod, and Cyborg Superman at various points.And the strength point actively proves too much. If "he's too powerful to fight so just let him do what he wants" is a valid principle, it applies equally when he eventually snaps again. You've just described a universe where Prime faces zero accountability forever, in either direction, purely because stopping him is hard. That's not a moral position — that's just surrendering the argument to raw power.
I think letting Prime play good guy for a while is perfectly fine, most heroes believe in redemption, don't fully trust him anyway, and know trying to fight and/or jail him would be a waste of time.However, I hope that Prime eventually does have to come face to face with those he has affected the most, namely Power Girl, the YJ generation, and the GLC to a lesser degree.And they better not understate what he did, they can all probably accept that he's trying to do good now, but they don't have to like him.
>>153348104>trusted Lex Luthor, Zod, and Cyborg Superman at various points.And they've all done good at various points!
>>153348104You forgot Major Disaster
>>153348188>the YJ generationNobody cares for these
>>153348007I dont like this at all. Its like not meaningful, just do silver age writing dont have the characters 'know' what 'silver age' means that doesnt make any sense.
>>153348241I know, but Prime killing Kon affected them all for the worse.We know Prime is going to clash with Kon soon, so I look forward to that.His beef with Bart is slightly different, but still worth bringing up, wonder if he'd be more or less willing to accept Prime than the others.
>>153346992>Every time Prime shows up, anyone who survived Infinite CrisisThat's the thing anon, almost no one survived Infinite Crisis, everyone got rebooted like 3 or 4 times since then. So everyone knows he used to be a bad guy but none of them really know how much of a piece of shit he was.Is like saying someone was a mass murderer but when you ask what happened they explain to you the murders took place in a different reality were everything happened 20 years before you remember and a bunch of events and people mentioned don't even exist in the reality you remember being part of.
>>153348292Well, part of Prime's shtick is knowing about these kind of things, since he comes from a world where the DCU is just comics and he grew up reading them, he knows about these things.
>>153348343>everyone knows he used to be a bad guy but none of them really know how much of a piece of shit he was.Well, actually after Rebirth and/or Death Metal they should all remember.
>>153348209Yes, and they've also all relapsed, repeatedly, often catastrophically. That's exactly the point. Citing that Superman's repeat offenders "did good at various points" as a vindication of his judgment doesn't help the argument.There's also a scale problem being glossed over. Lex doing good "at various points" and Prime doing good "at various points" are not comparable situations. Lex's relapses are horrible. Prime's relapses are genocidal. The margin for error is completely different. When Lex betrays Superman's trust, people die. When Prime does, planets do
>>153348401I just think its dumb because it becomes like 'so what' after a while. I think after animal man grant morrison wrote himself as a in universe character. And it doest affect or change anything he just goes around telling people theyre in a comic and they respond 'huh... thats interesting.'and then using him to vent about irl comic frustrations makes the story not feel like a real meaningful thing its like the equivalent of Bat-Mite becoming the main villain of Hush 2.
None of this matters. It is possible Superboy-Prime is subconsciously rewriting reality to make this story work anyway, so you can't hold anyone accountable in their interactions with him.
>>153348433Apex Lex's relapse was universal. He's chilling.
>>153348343you do the crime you pay the time pal
>>153348451So what? No one's allowed to write 4th wall breaking characters because Morrison already took the concept to its arguably logical conclusion?>its like the equivalent of Bat-Mite becoming the main villain of Hush 2.What the hell kind of comparison is that? They just brought back Prime and are focusing more on the fact that he's a comic nerd to have a 4th wall breaking Superman.
>>153348527Well this is just a circular conversation because the so what is I think that page of him telling superman to get silver age with him is retarded. Its like if Bat-Mite showed up in a serious batman story and begged him to get more silver age too because thats what he likes. Its stupid. I brought up grant morrison to demonstrate how pointless 4th wall breaking meta storylines are. So that is all, clearly this bothers you.
>>153347517the solution is simple: next issue have it turn out a bug crawled up Prime's ass and made him do it. easy peasy
>>153348572The story itself wasn't very serious.
>>153348596Better yet, go all in and make it so Parallax caused all unsavory moments because Fear, make it one big continuity vacuum cleaner.
>>153348572Well, Batman and Superman stories tend to have different tones.Bat-Mite has always stood out, that's why Morrison made him a hallucination that may or may not be real.
>>153348411If everything is canon nothing is, Superman Can't be both a boy scout that does the right thing because his good morals and a gaslighting asshole who does heroics for glory, or Batman i¡being both a relatively well balanced crime fighter as well as an anti social asshole or Hal Jordan being both a pedophile and a tyrant who tried to destroy reality and killed many of his friends. Even if the characters remember everything there are a bunch of stuff that contradicts other things, so they probably can't point to anything as the definitive thing that happened.
>>153348621>Hal Jordan being both a pedophile and a tyrant who tried to destroy reality and killed many of his friends.There like 3 parallaxes running around
>>153348572>I brought up grant morrison to demonstrate how pointless 4th wall breaking meta storylines are.It's just a matter of taste, you either like these types of stories or not, that's why some people hate Deadpool.I'm not usually into these type of stories, but I like Prime.>So that is all, clearly this bothers you.What bothers me exactly? lmao
>>153348518That is the issue the crime got retroactively erased from ever happening at least for the people in earth 1.
>>153348621>Superman Can't be both a boy scout that does the right thing because his good morals and a gaslighting asshole who does heroics for glory,He can, it's called being a layered character that can be nice some times but lie other times.
>>153348621I wonder if Supes offing those Phantom Zone criminals is still canon
>>153348641Exactly, should the characters give shit to Hal for being Paralax? despite the things he did as Paralax getting retconed and there being a Paralax going around who is also Hal?
>>153348641If they forgot about the other 2, are they even still around?The answer is no, when was the last time they were seen anyway?
Kon El was physically sixteen but literally three years old when Superboy Prime killed him. Baby Wildebeest was literally two.Prime is a monster. OP is right.
>>153348665Is not about being layered, Silver Age Superman and Modern Superman are pretty different, but the new canon is that everything is canon now so Superman is both the boyscout and the slightly assholish superhero that evades taxes.
>>153348646lmao asking 'so what' like a catty girl followed by 'oh i guess no one can do 4th wall breaking!' is usually what bothered people do lmao but ok if you say youre not bothered I guess I have no choice but to believe it.
>>153348728>Superman is both the boyscout and the slightly assholish superhero that evades taxes.It's funny you think these are mutually exclusive.
>>153348714>Baby Wildebeest was literally two.>Prime is a monster. OP is right.This one tells more about the writers than about Prime.
>>153348730It was more like a genuine question actually, I didn't mean it to come off like that.My point is that even if you think they're pointless, it's more of a subjective kind of thing, you know?Yeah, Morrison did it a long time ago, but like, people are still gonna keep writing characters that break the 4th wall, you know? It's clearly something with a certain appeal.
>>153348789It was a different time.Everyone says the 90s were edgy, but the 2000s were just downright brutal.
>>153348621>Hal Jordan being both a pedophile and a tyrant who tried to destroy reality and killed many of his friendsThe only two characterizations of Hal Jordan
>>153346992>People seem to conveniently forget that this guy is a brutal mass murderer.so is red hood and wolverine.
>>153348016this cover reminds me of a certain rage-fu comic
>>153349084Nvm found it
>>153348842this is true. John's Titans run from the same period had those two dipshit kids from the Super Friends get mauled by their dog for no real reason, not to mention Identity Crisis and the like. The 2000's were edge personified
>>153349180All because Marvel began the fucking trend and both them and DC went all in with it pair with The Boys and Cynism went over the top.And people asks why Prime Snapped.
>>153346992anyone disagreeing is the problem in comics also. the fans that WANT slop to jerk off to and bad writing for their bad broken brains and low IQ.I will never accept superbitch as anything but the killer of Pantha and others. so the subhuman fanbase and subhuman writers want this trash. even this thread is already having the subhumans attacking you and larping made up reasons as fact because you're right and they are mad it exposes their subhuman wants for comics.and because I said this they'll buttseethe at me and larp things and make things up.thats how it works. you call out something bad and the people who actually like the bad get buttgaped and seethe and make things up and lie and name call over it. like hmm sure do expose themselves don't they. I am going to have a laugh when these idiots post at me going big mad and u mad and seething and its like yeah you are actually. lol, lmao. sadly we cant ignore them since subhuman is the majority in all things and they love subhuman entertain as it is easy to understand.
>>153346992I honestly don't know how you can care or get invested in capeshit enough to really give a fuck. Maybe if it was 20 years ago and you didn't know any better but in current year after a ton of rugpulls, reboots, shit writers, etc. you'd have to be a fool to try to make sense of it
>>153348343>>153348411>>153348621This just raises the question of why Superboy Prime then?
>>153349562he had a moment that gave him a lot of goodwill when things were getting really stupid in DC
>>153349598But bringing him back and trying to redeem him because of that is even dumber
>>153349349>Nothing matters, the whole thing is broken, caring is cringezero argument. zero contribution.
You have to understand that these characters are not real. From Prime's perspective back then, they weren't real. Since then, like Gwenpool, he's learned to chill and treat them like real people, even though they're not.
>>153349823Fiction about someone ending up in a fictional to the character world is really popular, and he is DC's existing one.
>>153348007Beautiful art wasted on the shittiest stories.
>>153349598The art is horrendous.
>>153349852Just the naked truth.
>>153349598>been used to help at the end of two eventshow would he interact with WW and Krypto
>>153347910his body count goes down to basically nothing in current continuity, because those characters are still alive. we are multiple reboots removed from Infinite Crisisalso he did us all the favor of ending Death Metal
>>153352119That doesn't absolve of him anything, attempted murder is still a crime.
>>153352134there was no attempt. attempt and death alike have been removed from the continuitydo you not know how reboots work?
>>153352198So what's even the point of this being Superboy Prime then? This quite literally could've been Conner then.
>>153347438>>153348065i require context, because there clearly is a schizo here. a schizo completely oblivious to the fact they're acting exactly like the "toxic fan" caricature Infinite Crisis Prime was intended to parody
nothing wrong with wanting things to make sense.
>>153346992They're all back to live don't worry. Beside blame the comic writer literally for making superboy prime an edgy maniac. But we don't see DC characters going up and arm against them do we?
>>153346992To be fair he ripped both of Risk's arms off
>>153349562>>153349598Turns out the strawman that says comic sucks, becomes endearing when your comics do suck.
>>153352259Dude these comics with Superboy Prime suck and it's because they're trying too hard to make him endearing.
I feel like they have to have Prime meet Pantha and make amends. That just feels like too egregious of a thing to just avoid. He should also probably apologize to Power Girl and old Superman too
>>153352286>and old Superman tooEr...
>>153352778god damn those graves are shallow
>>153352778Well obviously he'd be a force ghost
>>153347016fpbp
>>153352778what comic or earth is this? I want to track it down.
>>153352286well on the plus side it's not like she had much time to be upset about it. Prime did not know how to hold back at this point, he'd never really *fought* any villains in his original universe because he was the only person with superpowers.in some sense Pantha was lucky, because she didn't watch all her friends die in front of her.>>153348451comic book limbo as a canon place in DC is a concept i really enjoy, and that whole thing is part of a deconstruction of Animal Man himself, all the way down to the conceptual level. it's not meaningless just because it's strange....and the villain of Hush 2 IS the writers. shit's ass.
>>153347278Jealous of what?
>>153353443>hyphenanon, i...
>>153353375Justice Society of America V3 (2006/2007), #11. Part of the "Thy Kingdom Come" arc
>>153347935Kal-L is still dead, however
>>153352119>his body count goes down to basically nothing in current continuityIf everything is canon then it's impossible, Threeboot Sun Boy, Elemental Lad and Kinetix are still dead, thank you Geoff Johns
>>153352119>>153353956
>>153353956And I hope PG directly brings that up to him.
>>153353956And this is one part of Karen's arc that was never settled, that is a trauma she should had let go, because Clark knew that Prime was good but broken due to how fucked up comics became.Imagine looking at DC and marvel after the Crisis and Secret Wars in the 2000's and look at the shitshow it became, at that decade with disassembled and Identity crisis, or JMS spider man, Death and Return, Emerald Twilight, Heroes Reborn and Killing Joke+Knightfall.
>>153354895Comics have been dark since the Bronze Age Johns and people like him are just blinded by nostalgia
>>153352230Superboy Prime is just male Harley, "they committed genocide, but said sorry", it is hard to swallow.
>>153354958But most of this dark was to write stories where it would be undone later, late 90's and 2000's was all edge and spite against everything out of sheer spite, the literal generation of Josh's, with two being quesada and didio, aka the buttbuddies from LA.
>>153355047>But most of this dark was to write stories where it would be undone laterNo it wasn't, Babs remained in a chair paralyzed and Jason Todd was dead.
>>153354958>Bronze age dark.>Crime noir, heavy social issues and violence as a vehicle for a story, and even then the violence was "sanitized"/non-gore.>2000s edge.>Everybody is an asshole, writer throwing bitchfits against the fans and stories used as a vehicle for gore.
>>153352246Every character now has some 20-88 years of history swirling around in their head even though they physically haven't aged much in that time. Sense went out the window with Death Metal, this is "turn your brain off and enjoy the show" DC.
>>153355135Black Canary was abducted and nearly tortured to death. We would literally her naked brusied body hanging from a chain, she lost the ability to have kids because of this.
>>153355166Two things:1)that's obviously bad writing because it's literally incomprehensible to write.2)because it's literally incomprehensible to write, no writer can actually write it.
>>153355171That was post-crisis, a "modern age" comic.An example of bronze age darkness would be Denny O'Neil killing a retired Batwoman out of spite because he hated the silver age that much.
>>153355186They've been getting by decently enough these past few years.Marvel's never had a full reboot and their characters have 60 years of history in their head compressed into 13 years. It doesn't matter.
>>153355197Were you even alive back then?You were there in the 1970s reading comics?
>>153355197A modern version of this would be he having her cut in half so we could see hers entrails, like what happened to that girl from bloodlines cross-over
>>153355212>They've been getting by decently enough these past few yearsWith what?
>>153355228We literally saw her got cut open.
>>153355218I've read a lot of 70s comics. The Comics Code was still enforced, though they had eased up on the restrictions from the 50s and 60s, and there was no full-fledged direct market yet. The content in the 00s was a direct result of all the companies being direct market only and no longer needing to concern themselves with angry parents or kids seeing something inappropriate.
>>153355244The 70s most certainly did have a full fledged direct market.Just shut the fuck up dude, you don't have an actual dog in this fight
>>153355131Because Denny O'Neil was the Editor.Erasing Art Deco Gothic Gotham was the biggest crime ever made.
>>153355262You're just saying shit that contradicts each other now.
>>153355238It was offscreen, and her corpse wasn't disfigured
>>153355254In the 70s, Marvel's edgy comics were sold via magazine format. The only one that did well was Conan. Their first direct market-exclusive comic was Dazzler from 1980.I believe DC's was Camelot 3000 from 1982. To my knowledge, that was the first non-code book DC published since it started in 1954 and it was this new era of DM-exclusive books that had ripple effects on the newsstand books that led to the end of the bronze age.
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>>153355332This is post crisis >>153355197
>>153346992I haven't kept up on stuff but>batman has contingencies for taking out the entire JLA including supes and a singular lack of scruples about using them if he has to>somehow this fucker is still drawing breathDoesn't seem right to me.
>>153355371Batman doesn't kill.
>>153355360Yeah I saw you moving the goalposts and figured I just let you hang yourself by noting you specified 2000s comics.>b-but that was a different anon!?!Guess what dipshit that you went from saying 90/80s bronze age comic to post crisis doesn't matter because the argument still holds.
>>153346992Sorry, but this is a necessary correction after the childish metawriting in IC making E2 Superman and SBP out of touch with the sensibilities of DC at the time>wow you don't like Sue Dibny getting raped on the JL meeting table, you must be a psycho fanboy who only wants flat happy go lucky heroes and can't deal with our current multilayerd narratives
>>153346992>No amount of meta-writing is ever going to make Superman relevant, popular or interesting againFix'd.Gunn's Supershit has nowhere to go but down, a single Superman movie is a novelty, you can only retread his origins in comics so many times, and Superman but Evil is just the current fad.Superman peaked in the 50's. Now he's just some old timey brand.
>>153355398>Bronze age comics weren't that edge, post crisis and 2000s were worse.>stop moving the goal post.Kathy was killed offscreen, compared to this post crisis >>153355332
>>153346992>redemption arcWilliamson just folowed what Geoff wrote in batman who kek event.Prime has his redemption,is like getting mad because some xmen writer retconed Origins or some spiderman writer made Peter and MJ marry again.
>>153355047Many deaths were permant and got undone in the modern age>>153355135I don't disagree but the idea before Watchmen comics were light-hearted and tha heroes were infallible is just false
>>153355546I don't read Marvel, use a DC metaphor instead.
>>153355547>idea before Watchmen comics were light-hearted and tha heroes were infallible is just falseI never said this, Spider-Man is a notorious example of the contrary, originally he was pretty fallible.Contrary of his modern incarnation that is a mess made by and for bitter divorcees
>>153355384He can disable though, (and then somebody else can kill) and he seems willing to make an exception in superman's case.
>>153355371does he have something that can throw him into the speedforce or have something that produces red radiation
>>153346992Fans want Superman to be more like Dragonball z don’t can be popular.Vegeta is just like Superman Prime, so we forgive. And now Superman’s ratings are going up just like Dragonball. They even had a tournament like DBZ.
>>153355197Don’t forget the death of Aquababy. Or death of Iris Allen.Or the few Legion of SuperhEroes that died.Or the death of the original Doom Patrol.
>>153354958>Comics have been dark since the Bronze AgeLet people who remember it talk, fetus. "My ward is a junkie" and old black man cussing out Hal Jordan aren't on par with the 2000s era deconstruction parade that birthed Tom King.
>>153355857Why?
>>153355543>I am called…BEN TUR!>he's just Ben Turner
>>153355891"My ward is a junkie" is far tamer than rise of arsenal or what the hell Slade's titans was.
>>153355371>I haven't kept up on stuffThen go back to your designated Marvel Cinematic Universe threadThe JLA voted him out over that
>>153355891>Spoonfeed meNo, read the actual books not wiki summaries on your phone
>>153355857Ok boomer but the anon said that Superboy prime was corrupted by the 90s and 2000s comics because they were too dark which makes no sense considering that Prime was 15 in 1985, comics with dark stories and flawed heroes were no longer a novelty at that point.
>>153355949Yes, and?
>>153353956Eh...sort of.
>>153354895It's kinda hard for her to "let go" when his murderer is literally inducted in Justice League. I'd be pissed too.>>153357031Where is this from and what's the context here?
>>153356063Did you read Infinite Crisis? He directly stated that was his motivation. He loved his lighthearted newsstand books, and after the Crisis, the heroes themselves got darker (to be more like Marvel) and he didn't like it.
>>153357323>He directly stated that was his motivationYeah that makes no sense since he was a teen in '85 and the Bronze Age starts in the 70s
>>153357268It's from JSA. Earth-2 was recreated in the wake of Infinite Crisis. Kal-L and Kara were recreated there, making the Kara on Earth-0 a temporal anomaly.
>>153357499*Geoff Johns' 2007 JSA run.
stop making superman evil
>>153357444He was Didio self insert, everything makes sense with this in mind.See "I know what you did last crisis" to see the full extent of Didio's pettiness.
>>153357268Which is what i said, Prime in fact Williamson and Waid has the perfect opportunity to help Prime, Karen and Conner with this and fix this continuity fuckup made by DiDio's retarded editorial, because if OG Kal-L is alive once more, he was shoved out of reality during Batkek's insane shenanigans just as the parallax Hal clones in a reality bubble.Also Prime gets his own turpin moment with him because he still has to die to keep both Prime, Conner and Karen as heroes, and Prime finally has the right to admit that he is a hero and will honor Kal-L's legacy with Karen, and Peej sees Prime as a Hero and finally forgives him since Prime was her biggest fan, because both finally found peace with each other, and Conner seeing that his death was necessary to make him stronger, just as it happened to Clark, and Conner came back even stronger than he originally was.
>>153357268Lex Luthor, King Shark, Cheetah, Starro and Giganta are all in the Justice League now. Not just Prime.
>>153357444He watched the 90's and early 00's occur on Earth-0 from the Paradise Realm that he, Alex, Kal-L and Lois were trapped in.
>>153357623Guess what? All their body counts combined are still below Superboy Prime's desth toll.
>>153352119>his body count goes down to basically nothing in current continuity, because those characters are still alive. we are multiple reboots removed from Infinite Crisis>Prime: Didn't I kill some of you already? Whatever.
>>153357602Destroy Robinson/Taylor Earth 2 and sent Powergirl and Kal-L to a new Earth 2.
>>153357714Wow he's so repentant and contrite about it.
>>153357719That Earth 2 was destroyed
>>153357648chettah basically killed Wonderwoman mother and luthor deadcount is high as fuck
>>153357444Capeshit writers actually don't read comics, and the Bronze age is kind of a forgotten generation; the nostalgia addled writers or forget that it ever happened or they go out of their way to shut on it for not being the silver age
>>153357752Yeah but guess what? Superboy Prime is still worse.
>>153357602There's two problem with two where firstly I fail to see how rehabilitating Superboy Prime is gonna magically change those past stories, in fact it's kind of an inherent contradiction which begs the question of why are redeeming Superboy Prime even in the first place.The second problem is there's no interest in actually redeeming Superboy Prime, the narrative seems to insist that he already has effectively been redeemed already and everyone should just shut up and let him continue on his path redemption, an actual paradox if I ever heard one. The whole thing reeks of putting cart before horse, treat Superboy Prime as if he's already redeemed while his story is about his unyet realized redemption.
>>153357755I think they're mostly remembering the few significant specks of sex 'n drugs 'n rock n' roll and forgetting about all the insipid dreck in between.
>>153358037This would explain Barry wank, who only notorious stories were endless trial, meeting Garrick and dying in the Crisis.
>>153357972As anon suggested above, have CK be New Earth 2 Superman honoring Kal-L's legacy, canonize that batkek destroyed the taylor Earth 2 alongside their Power Girl and Superman/Val Zod and have the original Earth 2 restored through a reality bubble, have Prime undo the damage the way he does best.Have even Helena Wayne If she is even alive move there to be the new Batwoman, in fact she should be bonding with Karen too since both are Earth 2 for fucks sake.Karen gets her reality back, CK gets to be superman to honor Kal's legacy and Clark at Earth Prime, and his GF is alive there as Krypto.Bring him and Helena Wayne only when shit hits the fan.
>>153357714Bushido, Baby Wildbeest, Kal-L and many many Green Lanterns are still dead.
>>153358083We’ve seen Earth 2 long after Batkek was defeated.
>>153358113Have that fake Earth 2 made by taylor and robitchson destroyed
>>153358134Their Earth was already destroyed. Their universe still exists though. They relocated all survivors to a new planet.
>>153358083How is this solution when ever part of the problem is still there? You seem to have this idea that Superboy Prime is like this loose end that needs to be addressed and the only way you can address is rehabilitated and redeemed the character.But why would you ever think this?
>>153358231because it is a comic book and even fucking mangas and books pulled thiswhy the fuck are you projecting yourself into it for fucks sake
>>153358083You're just saying dumb bullshit.
>>153358270Yeah it's a comic book and not a time machine so you cannot physically retcon Identity Crisis out of existence because then run into a classic time travel paradox of going back in time to undo the reason you went back in time.And it's so silly too like you think this is the reason you don't like DC comics, because Superboy Prime turned bad and wasn't redeemed?
>>153357444The villains got darker in the bronze age, the heroes did not. Geoff Johns was also a 12 year old in 1985. Prime is Evil Geoff.
>>153359407Flash literally snapped Eobard Thawne's neck
>>153357647That's the thing many seem to be forgetting, possibly intentionally.SBPrime's grievance isn't that comics got edgy, it's that he and the others sacrificed their literal and personal lives to prevent all existences getting fucked by Anti-Monitor, and it would have been one thing if the remaining reality was rational but the longer they watched the more it deteriorated into vulgarity without reason, his compunction was that things needed to be addressed and sorted out, and if the inhabitants gladly weren't going to do it they should let him, Alex's idea was to clean house, but they told SBPrime to specifically get fucked even PG despite that Kal-L was more or less on the same page until Kal El convinced him eating shit was an acquired taste in their age, anyway after everyone threw a tantrum reality got reset anyway, repeatedly, and no one seems to have minded each time for reasons.Point remains SBP unraveling, aside from obviously being at the writers' whim, narrative wise was was not just because of edge in comics, it was particularly the edge in the world he recognized and worked to salvage, followed by the absurdity of it having no point or seeming end, then the obstruction of a solution, then everyone shrugging at how it all turned out.If someone found out our world was similarly being deviated from how it could be and started going axe mad at sources of it, even if collateral happened they'd be championed as a misunderstood hero for trying instead of resigning to it.
>>153359530Because he had no choice. He allowed himself to be put on trial for it and then accepted a guilty verdict because that was the heroic thing to do. He ultimately ended up acquitted and got to have a happy ending in the future with the wife Thawne had already killed before it was time to die in the Crisis.
>>153359655why didn't he just pull a Hal and blame it on a bug?
>>153360194He was legally in the right, but Kadabra manipulated the evidence against him.
>>153352258And we like that
>>153357737This was him moping before he got redeemed BY A FUCKING DOG
>>153357031>>153357499I was always under the assumption that Kal-L wasn't recreated and that's why he was "missing" for so long
