This is a kino trope, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
what if it just started with the lore right away if you like it so much?
I want a cohesive story with setup, payoff, and an ending. I basically just want animated series to be animated fffffFFFFFUCKING novels and/or book series.any recs btw?
>>153351078GargoylesRoswell ConspiraciesAvatar: The Last Airbender
>>153351078Moral Orel. The ending was kinda rushed due to a cancellation but the last episode is still a satisfying ending .
>>153351005I don't, because it betrays the initial premise.If the show gathered a decent audience that liked it for what it was, why change it? I mean yeah, you can add a bit of lore here and there, perhaps some minor drama and development, but nothing that would change the vibe of the show in a permanent manner.I think it is unfair to part of the audience that expected things to be what they were at first, but then again I suppose the author can tell whatever story they want to tell, but the audience is in no way shape or form forced to like it.
>>153351078So you're looking for a story? Bold take anon. Now specify the duration of each story and now you'll realize that we're back at what OP is talking about.Also thinly veiled AT thread bee tee dubs.>>153351022Some shows should start like that and others having a massive change in tone is also good.>>153351005It can be. But 2010's shows havetired me out on it. That's why my book series idea which I am starting after I finish the book I'm about to start seriously working on is going to jump straight into continuous narrative but it will have the tone for a little bit of that "Season 1" as shown in OP or AT season 1. Also Pen Ward being the main guy is probably why that series caught on so hard. The lore was a big component of building the fanbase that stuck around but the initial artstyle, season 1 is gorgeous, and the humor for the most part was unique to it while taking in some of the cultural internet speak of the time. Yes some of it is dated or bad but I think it was why the show had staying power. Pieces of media to become huge sometimes need immersive qualities like unique language, objects, and behaviors for it to stick in minds.
>>153351156Are you that tonal dissonance or whatever retard guy?
>>153351078Godzilla the animated series
>>153351130Anything with conspiracy in the title's gotta be right up my alley.>>153351140Is it? Always assumed it was more along the lines of something like South Park.
>>153351219No, and I don't know what you're talking about.Typical ad hominem.
>>153351255An artist isn't required to follow what the audience wants.
>>153351277Nor is the audience required to like the direction he takes the series.
>ep. 1 - lore>ep. 2-71 - wacky hijinx>ep. 72 - loreWhy can't anyone see this is how you do it?
>>153351291You don't have power over the artist.
>>153351322Hate when stories are like this. I'm always wanting to get back to the actual plot.
>>153351291>>153351330Thankfully if an artist goes full retard people can stop watching or paying for shit.Unless the artist is doing it for free that stops the flow of shit from all sides.
>>153351330Don't know what you're reading, but I am not saying that. I said on my very first post that yes, the artist is free to do what he wants, but the audience is not obliged to like it or to continue to support the show/comic/whatever if they feel like it is going in a direction they do not approve of. That's just how it works.
>>153351156This, at least if it's loreshit from the start I just skip it.
>>153351322Why even bother with lore at that point.
>>153351005Gumball is basically this.
>>153351078Paranoia agent
>>153352483That was boring.
>>153352498Only if you are low iq, it has a proper setup, payoff and ending with good characters and explores some themese that are not present in most animation. Too bad a lot of dumb people were filtered by the ending.
>>153351078Literally InvincibleIf not, then Primal
>>153352558Invincible hasn’t ended
>>153351005lore should be stuff sprinkled on top of a good story and in my opinion you should be as obtuse as possible about it and leave a lot of it if not most of it unanswered. because mystery is fun and piecing stuff yourself is fun.
>>153352811>and leave a lot of it if not most of it unansweredWhat if it's a mystery cartoon instead of a fantasy one with some mystery sprinkled in?
>>153351322Literally Amphibia, piece of shit of a series
>>153351022I didn't even watch adventure time for a few seasons for this exact reason.
>>153351343>four month hiatus between steven universe episodes>first episode coming back is a townie episode
>>153351005>greelight a comedy show>O WELL FUCK THE STDIO DID YOU KNOW I WAS A SAD TEENAGER NOT LIKE THE OTHERS THAT LIKED TO *GASP* READ AND WATCH SAILOR MOON????>WTF STUDIO CANCELLED US NO THIRD SEASON REEEEEEEE I'M COMMUNIST NOWno, fuck OP's shows.
>>153352817i mean if the aim of the show is to answer several questions sure, but imo a lot of stuff should still be left unanswered. it's like you took a peek inside this universe and you didn't get to see every part of it.
>>153351078Anime - Like almost all of the best series are adaptation of finished or almost finished manga series with clear beginnings, middles, and ends and complete character arcs, etc. It's frustrating that western animation studios don't adapt more book series and shit.
>>153351005this is exactly how I like it. I already know your tv trope character roster, now I want to learn about the history of the world.
>>153352483Isn't it only 1 season?
>>153353133Yes.
>>153351005shittyass trope actually
>>153351005What if I want 3 good seasons of silly adventures with lore sprinkled in the background? Like just enough to kickstart the plot every other episode but not too much to make the later episodes feel like homework that takes priority over the silliness?
You understand why the majority of cartoons are like this, right?You don't need it explained to you, do you?
>>153353088Yikes
>>153353791>majorityThe majority of cartoons are comedies without lore though.
Cartoons can't do actual lore. They can only satirize lore. Even the most circlejerked cartoons completely fuck it up. It's better to just imply lore for the sake of mood and never explore too deeply. Teen Titans & Ben 10 nailed it with this.
>>153352959Take your meds
>>153353816Stop worshiping liquid shit,cultist
>>153351022‘Miraculous’ kinda starts like that.
>>153351005Is there an opposite example?
>>153353872What, you mean something that starts off having a plot, and then it gets resolved and the show is episodic for the rest of time?
>>153351005>kids show>Kids show but is le "deep and mature" with a totally deaf artstyle to appeal to mentally stunted manchildsAdventure Time is cancer
>>153351005What I hate is that for some reason these shows almost never have a middle ground. It’s either episodic stuff where there is not real continuity or bullshit that gets so absorbed in the story that it goes up its own ass. Why can’t there just be a show where shit happens in an episode and the episodes after it will acknowledge it. KND is one of the few I can think of that managed to do it without getting too bogged down. Hell even Johnny Test did it.
>>153351322That's just Steven Universe
>>153353847I don't even know which show you're talking about
>>153351005Reboot comes to mind.
>>153351247It's genuinely great. It's not so original today after all the mainstreamness of Ancient Aliens but at the time I remember thinking it was such a cool idea that all of our myths and legends are actually just aliens. Their designs are so cool and the way it all ties together is chef's kiss.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUHf4MFyXQk
>>153351005This could be a good concept if done right, but so far no cartoon really has, and their efforts have been embarrassing to the point that it makes it seem like a bad concept instead. The problem isn't the concept, it's everyone's execution of it.
I suppose anything here would count, right?https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CerebusRetcon
>>153352992Kinda this. A lot of the best anime tend to be serialized and the only cartoon that even comes close to them is Avatar
>>153351005>Season 1: silly adventuresThis is how loresows get foot in the door. Execs fucking DESPISE lore shows.
>>153355793Shows* not sows goddamnit
>>153353791If you want to say, just say it already, smug Jenny
>>153352992Yes I agree, people here try to mimic anime all the time, but they're approaching it the wrong way. It's not just about the visual style, it's also about making a story with well defined arcs and ending.
LEAVES FROM THE VINE
>>153355911Is that a motherfucking atla reference?
>>153351005Depends on how it's done really. I liked it when Amphibia did it, but hated when Big Top Burger did it.
>>153353811Ben 10 was great saturday morning style fun, shame the sequel show fucked it up.>>153354335Season 1 was so fun.
>>153351322You tell me.
>>153351078Blue-Eyed Samurai isn't done yet (I don't think S2 is even out) but it's pretty much main plot right from the start.
>>153355793Which sucks for us when they get sabotaged for insolence and no one who actually wants to pick one up has reliable metrics to point to
>>153351078If I can name animu then Dennou Coil
>>153351005Basically the cartoons of the 2010's that love this trope in result ruining the main character
>>153355597If no one can make the concept work, perhaps it really is a bad concept that only works in theory, anon.
>>153357471Name one other than AT.
>>153351005It's fine if it works but things like Chikin Nugget sucked for doing that
>>153360983see the thing is, you can't just drop lore randomly. it's got to be relevant to the plot. you can do that through an overarching plot or in a more episodic series you can make each individual episode establish worldbuilding stuff through its plot, but you can't randomly drop "scrungus boogle blop comes from the moon and genetically engineered the human race!?" without giving anyone a reason to care.i don't know if this actually relates to chikin nugget i don't watch it lmao
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>>153361112Did it work?
>>153361112icles
>>153351005>I'm tired of pretenYOU NEVER PRETENDED, YOU JUST WANT TO USE THE STUPID JOKER QUOTE
>>153361221That was from Joker?
>>153354335Dot and Mouse were my sexual awakening, then AndrAIa took over post-timeskip.
>>153353791We have a right to protest shitty execs stifling stories
>>153351005Better Call Saul?
