Ship-bait between two male characters used to just be fun. Now if you don't make it canon you're problematic and if you do make it canon it wasn't done right. There's no winning so writers just stopped doing it altogether and everyone lost. A great loss for comics.
>>153364450>they made the wrong superboy gay>they made tim gay for the wrong guy
The Korra show ruined shipping forever.
>>153364450>>153364490Just have Tim Drake hook up Jon Kent.Boom! Problem solved.Everyone gets SuperboyXRobin and everyone is happy.
>>153364577Korra ruined everything in general.
Post obscure team ups to make extra ships from cannon material
>>153364450>Ship-bait between two male characters used to just be fun. It was never fun. It was always cringe and forced.
>>153364450>two people of the same gender are friends>THEY MUST BE GAY REEEEEEWhy are women and gays so dumb? Why are they not capable of genuine friendships? Why is everything a fetish to them?
>>153364591Fuck off.
>>153364591This. It would even give Jon a purpose.
>>153364639You're a moron.
>>153364591/thread
>>153364450Now the SJWs are trying to force Superboy Prime to be gay with Jason Todd.
>>153364660>>153364682Ain't he getting with Red Devil now?
>>153364591I can see the clickbait headlines>Superman marries Robin?!!!
>>153364696those are the mentally ill jason todd fans. trying to make his character relevant.
>>153364591>I wish Superboy an Robin were a couple!>The Monkey’s Paw’s finger curls
>>153364591What about Dick Grayson and Conner KentNow everyone is mad
>>153364450Everyone lost what? The preaching and the revulsion? You are not God's gift. It took decades of propaganda and billions of dollars to get people to think ill of you instead of outright laughing or swearing at you. You subhuman scum.
>>153364591This. Make it a big Pride wedding with other LGBT characters in attendance (Dream, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Aqualad, Alan Scott, Kate Kane, Midnighter, The Ray, Constantine) and release it during Pride month for extra bucks.
>>153364719You have it backwards. Most Jason fans don't even know who Superboy Prime is let alone give a shit about him. It's the five or so Superboy Prime fans that actually exist wanting him to be attached to a far more well-known character so he won't fade into obscurity. as his run ends.
Is Tim still gay?
>>153364823You sound just as idiotic as DC editorial.
>>153364885Bisexual. His boyfriend just convinced him to quit being Robin because he keeps getting hurt
>>153364885Bisexual? Yes.
>>153364490>they made the wrong superboy gayThe one who throughout his history has always been portrayed as either a pussy hound or always in a committed heterosexual relationship? The one who always either has a girlfriend or is chasing after women in his appearances outside comics? That one?
it's fine for something to just be bait, and they are not actually gay. what is wrong with just doing that.
>>153364970The same problem with any other form of baiting. It's a waste of time and effort with explicitly no pay off.
>>153364450People have lost sight of the fact that shipping is like 99% out-of-character fanfic. That's the whole reason its fun. We KNOW these character will never really get together. But now everyone fights that their ship should be made canon
>>153364929They made the Robin most known for having a long term, committed relationship with a woman gay.
>>153365112>gaybi
>>153365112Infinite Crisis screwed that relationship, than said woman was erased from continuity to the point even out of continuity books weren't allowed to use her.
>>153365033if it makes the comic sell more or gets more engagement it succeeded. that's all it needs to do.
>>153364885Yes
>>153365167If you're looking in favor of it purely for the company then sure but as an audience member, it's nothing more than dangling a carrot. Seriously if you're just going to pull that stunt simply because your book isn't selling or your show isn't getting the viewership. Then there's probably something wrong. You see people rightfully calling similar stunts out, outside of "queerbaiting". Whether that be poor writing for the sake of plot twists or some other nonsense.
>>153365275i mean, it works for manga. why can't comics do it.
>>153365352Manga doesn't make it canon
>>153365376i know. comics don't need to make it canon.
>>153365391That's the point they don't entertain the notion. They don't give any inch. It's not like Naruto came out as gay or bisexual and fell in love with some random guy. Instead of him being paired off with Sasuke. There in lies the problem with DC. They made Tim come out only to be paired off with some literal who. Thus pissing off Stephanie fans and fans that shipped him with Conner. No one gets anything they want.
>>153365435More reason they should do >>153364591That way fans can’t complain. After all, they wanted a Robin and Superboy couple. But they didn’t specify who.
>>153365435>>153365519My point being, if you're going to go all in. Then go all in consequences be damned. The only example I've seen in media where a company made the bold decision to make a ship "canon". Was with the video game developer Warhorse and their series Kingdom Come: Deliverance.The two leading men in the first title, Henry of Skalitz and Hans Capon. Were characters that first met as rivals then eventually became close friends. With their chemistry a small but dedicated portion of fans shipped them. It all could have ended then and there. However, according to the director, Daniel Vavra he saw the reception of the ship and decided to explore the potential route in the sequel. Mind you, it is a choice based rpg. So the romance isn't exactly canon per se but it is official. With said development there was of course controversy surrounding it. Yet despite it they stuck to their guns. Thus gaining even greater spotlight with the shippers and those unfamiliar with the series. Many started to play both games now because such a relationship was possible to explore. They could've not done it all or pulled a similar stunt but they didn't. They still made a huge amount of sales, selling 3 million copies within the first 3 months of release. And brought in another audience they can cater towards.
the person that make tim bi was some dumb fujo that shipped tim back in the day. it was bad idea the start.
>>153364450hetero chads keep winning
>>153365968At least post what the top row actually look like nowadays.
>>153366080Will SPB fall back to obscurity once Mora stops drawing him?
>>153366080>No helmetNot my Red Hood
>>153366141There will definitely be a drop from gay and female readers alike once he does. Unless they get another artist of his caliber or is known for drawing handsome men. I don't know maybe Nick Robles, Jorge Jimenez, or Travis Moore.
>>153365576Could have sold more without the faggotry
>>153366244Sure, Jan.
>>153364620fpbp
>>153365151she came back, they had sex, they were planning post-school life. One of the worst things about they gaying was how disrespectful it was to steph and their relationship
>>153364450I hate this image so much. Because all of young justice was about tim originally being the leader for the most of it. Then early 2000s titans was about tim. In none of these stories did he act like a girl. Now thats all retconned and hes just just kinda gay hes literally a caricature of a flamboyant faggot which makes all his early stories feel like a different person was in them.
>>153364661Seething troon
>>153367077Look in the mirror.
>>153367047because they just made it up and even changed the dude he's gay with. It's literally the case of some tumblr fanfic chick getting to being charge of the character. Just another example of why you shouldn't care
>>153366262The first game sold twice that.
>>15336712810 years after release.
>>153364450Love the progressive messaging that if you're non-straight, they will immediately hire the type of artists who will draw you femmed the fuck out. Doesn't matter how just a normal guy you were before, if you're slightly non-straight, you're now a flaming fem twink. Extremely progressive. This art triggers the fuck out of me.Oh and you will abandon your long time girlfriend because obviously non-straights are whores.
>>153365089True.>>153365391>>153365435The difference is that comics come from a culture that allows and encourages retards to attempt to whip and pressure creatives with the idea of "representation". You can't give these people an inch. They aren't fans, they don't enjoy fiction. Their ability to engage in fiction is only as a whip to use their 'marginalization' to pressure creatives. "I'm a woman, therefore if I don't like a costume, you need to cater to my criticism or it's sexism" "I'm a queer, so if you don't cater to me, it's evil. Muh representation". Manga is able to give fanservice to both men and women because it's culture hasn't yet fallen to these fucking vultures (but it will soon).Look at Supernatural, they had a character 'come out' because they took shipper feedback and decided that it made sense for his character. But because it didn't make sense for the other half, they kept it unrequited. You think that's enough for the representationfags? They have their so important representation? Of course not. They are still whining that they need to make their ship canon or the creatives and actors are awful homophobic queerbaiters. They still harass actors with 'obviously this character is bisexual coded'. No one killed shipbaiting like retarded representationfags. These "people" are vultures for whom the idea of 'representation' is a whip to exert power over creatives, they can't be given an inch.Extremely funny that the writer of these awful Tim Drake comics started her career as a token diversity hire on Supernatural.
>>153367345>Look at Supernatural, they had a character 'come out' because they took shipper feedback and decided that it made sense for his character. But because it didn't make sense for the other half, they kept it unrequited.I thought the bigger issue surrounding that debacle was because after Destiel made that confession he pretty much gets killed off immediately after and ends up in hell or something. Contributing to the "bury your gays" trope. I mean of course people would be irritated as well by the fact the ship never came to be.
>>153367405>as well by the fact the ship never came to beCompletely irreverent. They got their all important 'representation' and yet still harass and belittle creatives using their 'identity' as a battering ram because their ship isn't canon. You can't give these pathetic sub-human vultures an inch.>Contributing to the "bury your gays" trope.A vulturous term that only exists as one of the battering ram for representationfags. Manga is superior because it doesn't consider or think about these pieces of shit whose ability to engage in media and fiction relies on retarded terms like this.Imagine the manga industry caring "ooooooh it's so sexist. The Dead Mom With a Ponytail trope. It's so sexist. I'm a woman so if you don't cater to my criticism you're so sexist". Retard representationfags should die, they are the destruction of western media.
>>153367529>Imagine the manga industry caringWell as you said yourself things are changing.
>>153367558Yeah dude. Enshittification hits everything. The plague that is neoliberalism destroys everything.
>>153364711For real?
>>153367345If you think asians don't harrass creators or that their medias never catter to asian fans you're talking out of your ass. It's also funny how you don't mention men whining about not being cattered to when half the threads on /co are just that. You are doing that right now too kek. Your problem is that the big two are not a bunch of creators owned IPs, but an industry run by nepo babies who comission artists to milk a brand. There's zero room for artistic integrity here.
>>153368609>If you think asians don't harrass creatorsRetard who can't read or understand points. >whip and pressure creatives with the idea of "representation"Are the retarded otaku harassing creators doing it by saying "if you don't agree with me, you're sexist/racist/homophobic?" Is their retarded idea of 'representation' a battering ram they use? No, it's different. It's different because one is based on implying that the creator is a objectively bad and socially morally evil person, and therefore seeking to bring down social punishment on them, while the other is normal but annoying fan entitlement. You tell an otaku they are retarded for chimping out at some development in a manga, no one will say anything. You tell a representationfag they are retarded for chimping out because something isn't for them, you will hear 'muh racism/sexism/homophobia'.An otaku sending hate to a creator because their waifu didn't win is not the same as telling them "you not catering to my desires makes you racist/sexist/homophobic and therefore a morally evil person. And when I call you racist/sexist/homophobic, I understand that if enough people believe this, it will bring social punishment on the creator because we live in neoliberal hell". Representationfags cloak their retarded fan entitlement vulturism in social justice terms. You can't give them an inch.These grifters created a cottage industry based on 'consulting' to enforce compliance. That is what is going to happen to anime next. That recent BL anime was probably censored due to advice from a neolib representationfag 'consulting' agency. Manga and anime are mostly in corpo magazines, magazines that will soon have the exact same DEI consulting firm bullshit. Neolib enshittification will destroy anything and everything.
>>153367799For realsies
>>153369271>splitting hairsThe retarded otaku sending death threats because they didn't get what they want or to get what they want are not better or different at all. And you know it; otherwise, you wouldn't use quotation marks around "representation." It's still unhinged babies bullying creators through fear and sometimes social pressure to get what they want. Asian companies had voice actors, creators, or idols publicly apologize and bow to fans to calm or avoid the shitstorm. They take these shitstorms or threats into consideration while writing their characters with stories devoid of interpersonal conflicts. Gachas are full of this shit, and they are tailor-made for their home market. As you said, anyone who is alive right now has grown up in neoliberal hell. There is a cultural difference at play; Amerimutts love their moral faggotry and policing thoughts for example, but the means, motivations, and results all match. It's control through fear. The oldest trick in the book. It's too easy to be a bully in this day and age of the internet. I don't even know why you refuse the similitudes between those because it doesn't work in favor of the DEI clique you hate so much. It's a weird fucking hill to die on.
>>153366080Jason lost all that made him stand out kek
>>153364929They also made a batgod who was raped, not just by a psychotic terrorists but also by a bad 1980s punk rock singer, into someone apparently proud of his pyschotic murdering demon child of rape, anon
>>153370562>are not better or different at allAre you retarded? Let me explain this to you slowly.If someone is a "bad creator" who did subjectively shitty work, there is no social punishment for the creator. Because a 'shitty creator' is not a objective moral evil the creator is committing. If some retarded fans harass them, it's bad and all of society knows that.Racism, sexism and homophobia are social evils, they are essentially social crimes and have been since the 90's. If you say 'this person is racist' you are attempting to damage them socially in a way that is far, far different to calling them a shitty creator. That is the purpose of using those phrases. They are completely normalized. You are retarded if you can't acknowledge that someone saying "The writing and art on this issue is bad and the creatives are retarded" is a normal statement without an attempt to ascribe a social crime to the creators, whereas "This writing and art on this issue is perpetuating sexism, racism and homophobia on society. This creator is perpetuating real, actual harm on poor helpless people because I don't like what they did :(" is how representationfags engage in criticism, and is a deliberate attempt to pin a social crime on creatives so they subjugate themselves. "This narrative is bad" = normal. "This narrative is sexist, racist and homophobic" = oh my god this creator is so evil, we have to get them cancelled.Representationfag fan entitlement is objectively worse, it is always an attempt to associate creatives with a social crime for not bowing. You can not give them an inch.The anti-woke male fan entitlement is annoying and shitty, but it only really exists as a reactionary response to retarded progressive DEI bullshit to begin with -- and more importantly no one who gets harassed from a retarded loser is going to be eternally associated with the actual damaging social crime of being a racist, sexist or homophobe.
>>153371260You are retarded for conflating threats of death and violence or stalking with someone saying, "The writing and art on this issue are bad and the creatives are retarded." For assuming that people who lead these witch hunts with no proof are not perceived as retarded and unhinged by adults who are not terminally online. Or for thinking you can't be prosecuted for slander and harassment when it's just as illegal. The prejudices are real in both cases.
>>153372347>You are retarded for conflating threats of deathYou're retarded for constantly bringing up death threats against a post that doesn't fucking mention them because they are irrelevant. I am comparing like-to-like "harassment", harassment which is legal entitlement campaigns by fans, rather than bringing up retarded emotionally driven bullshit like death threats which is illegal. Of course someone defending retarded representationfags would go straight to 'but muh death threats, muh death threats.' As if representationfags aren't doing that shit constantly, but they do it and then hide behind 'but I'm just a queer wittle poc'. When a loser send death threats, every segment of society sees that it's retarded and wrong. A representationfag sends death threats and they will be defended with "They're just a little queer POC omg. They're just voicing themselves against cissexist patriarchy violence. Don't you know the person is a SEXIST/RACIST/HOMOTRANSPHOBIC and therefore has committed a social crime." Which is why, wow, my main point is that representationfags retarded criticism is about pinning a social crime onto a creative to force them to bow to their whims is fundamentally worse than anything other types of fan entitlement will tie to creatives.Representationfags call JKR transphobic so they can justify violence against her. This is the same reason they attach social crimes like "sexist, racist, homophobic" to other creatives, and that's why they are worse.But whatever. Muh death threats, muh death threats.
