Why is the fanbase so obsessed with turning him into this wholesome grandpa?Can't they just accept that some people are just pure evil and can't be redeemed
It isn't until after we die people see our potentional.
>>153371225T. Thragg
>>153371225Because it's funny. Nobody actually thinks he deserves happiness. It's a joke, you dumb fuck.
>>153371225ICANFIXHIM
>>153371225I admit it's strange that they gave him a speech about how lonely he feels.
>>153371251I don't think they would be putting so much effort into it if "it's a "joke"
>>153371225Presumably because a key theme of Invincible is the power of Love being stronger than Force. And his own speech about being the best Diet-Daxam has to offer and it leaving him miserable.
>>153371269Honestly thought they were going to go somewhere with that to deviate a bit from the comics
>>153371225The other Viltrumites went native right away. He just needed the same chance
>>153371225>>153371245>>153371246>>153371251>>153371268>>153371269>>153371280>>153371287OP, only you care.
>>153371287yeah, not to mention Cecil literally takes some of the most irredeemable psychopaths and turns them into somewhat law-abiding citizens (albeit through lots of psychological torture and brainwashing)
>>153371299?
>>153371225>Can't they just accept that some people are just pure evil and can't be redeemedThat's what Thragg is for. The show added a new moment for Conquest precisely foreshadowing what happens to the Viltrumites in the fifth, and it implies he could have very easily reformed himself on Earth if given the opportunity.
>>153371269>>153371280The most important, most revealing thing about that speech was the fact he explicitly referred to the Viltrumite's missions as "atrocities".This is what what really being hinted. Conquest is such a fucking sociopath because he's more aware of how evil the Viltrumites are and doesn't bullshit himself about "the cause", but he's in so deep that it's all he really knows. So he's decided to revel in the violence itself so he doesn't have to question.Combine that with "capable of so much more" and a lot of the joke hinges around the show posing a very legitimate question of who Conquest could have been under different circumstances.
>>153371225It's mostly women, and as we all know, women LOVE nice guys.
>>153371225None of the viltrumites deserved to be redeemed, but they were. Even the one that raped the MC.
>>153371251i do.>>153371225you are cringe>>153371268truth nuke>>153371485nolan is nice guy. conquest forgot the original values of his species and that's why he is unstable BUT that makes him better person
>>153371313Cecil should have turned him into one of his zombie soldiers, or taken out his brain and shoved it in a tube like what happens to Rudy.
>>153371225He wants change but he can never have it which makes him tragic.
>>153371225It's cute
>>153371762
>>153371225That Conquest refers to what he does as atrocities and says that he's capable of so much more suggests that he isn't pure evil, but chooses to be like this because it's the only life he knows.
>>153371614>never have itJust surrender to the coalition or earth
>>153371225People are just having fun.
>>153371225Same reason why people like to give flat chest girls big tits. Just having fun or being horny.
>>153371225>Can't they just accept that some people are just pure evil and can't be redeemedThe writers couldn't accept that and shoved in a stupid ass line about how he's heckin insecure
>>153371808he meant more atrocities.
>>153371225>Can't they just accept that some people are just pure evil and can't be redeemedthese people think literally everything is a product of personal experience, except sexuality and then only when its convenient to win the argument.
>>153371225Because that's basically what happened to every other viltrumite
My genocidal pookie
>>153371225This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>153371225It's funny.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9tFP7zAZPA
>>153371225He’s the most evil one so it’s funny, Thragg is bad but he doesn’t cause suffering for the sake of it
>>153371225People like the idea of the edgy guy growing soft. Like Vegeta or Piccolo. It's just how things go.
>>153371485>It's mostly womenYup, it's this. There's a reason I Can Fix Him is so prevalent (to be fair we do this too as men), but it's also partly because they flock to serial killers. There are soooo many jokes about women being attracted to men because they want to change them because there's a kernel of truth in it.
Well people forgave Omniman. He was a horrible genocidal mass murderer too.
It's funny how as soon as Kindquest became a thing, the latest Battle Beast issue revealed he does in fact eat the hearts of freshly slaughtered sapient beings he commits genocide on
>>153373908So? It's no different than a steak
>>153373908Would be very wasteful to not to.
>>153371225Ottley made Conquest being a nice guy art YEARS before it became a trend and Walker draws pic related every year right before a new season drops with a villain from the comic/show So there's SOME precedent over it I guessI remember when we joked Conquest would rip Steven Universe's head off the second he reached the third word of Change
People want to forgive but forgiving real people for real mistakes (or crimes) is hard so they transfer it onto fictional characters whose atrocities don't matter cause they're not real
>>153371225Don't know. I never liked Conquest
>>153374122Is that the other old viltrumite
>>153373868>He was a horrible genocidal mass murderer too.Thing is, the comic and show make it a point that most viltrumites see what they do as a job or means to an end. Conquest himself says this. He sincerely enjoys the bloodshed he carries out, he's a psychopath that was lucky enough to be born into a society that rewards it instead of punishing it. I don't see someone like that changing and becoming le wholesome chungus grandpa, the only woman he could fall for would have to be as fucked up as he is. And even then he might rip her guts out and eat them the second he gets bored of her or they have an argument.
>>153374236Mark's maternal grandma
>>153374314Imagine being so fat
>>153374314I'll bet you money those are the best hamburgers you'll ever have.The only irredeemable people in Invincible are the women.
They're gonna make Carl Kindquest canon the second they can show alternate universes in rapid succession again aren't they?
>>153374455>The only irredeemable people in Invincible are the women.And Conquest. >>153374461Unfortunately yes. Fucking reddit, man.
>>153374461God please let this happen because it would be so fucking funny.
>>153374512I'm willing to bet Zack Thompson will also cameo (and maybe Shrinking Ray) to throw his fans a bone
>>153374461That would be so fun
>>153374872Fag
>>153371225in fairness, He basically exists to show that the Viltrumites both are and aren't pure evil. He's 10000% brainwashed. When he fails, he escapes from prison and zooms back home to ask to be executed. That is not something a rational thinking person does. That isn't someone who CHOSE evil, it's someone with a warped version of what 'good' is. You can't paint every monster the same, when some of them THINK what they're doing is okay, or even mandatory. After all, some good things, like fighting and killing to defend your country from unprovoked aggressors, or executing murderers, make you feel bad.That's also why Eve has no idea what a monster she is. But it'll click with her someday. Presumably when she has to tell her kids that she didn't want the first one and killed it, and sees the look of horror on their faces, followed by 70% of them never speaking to her again. She grew up brainwashed, simple as. Shitty parents like hers almost literally SHOVE you into the arms of evil.
>>153371447oh wait I forgot he said thatIn fact I still don't remember that. are you sure he wasn't being sarcastic and dismissive of the criticism? I feel like his actions show he really does believe in the cause.
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>>153376013the drawing part is okay, anon. I'm not putting any guilt on the animators. (though i sure as fuck would have put in my 2 weeks once that script came through)
Doesn't every other Viltrumite have a change of heart the minute they get some Earth pussy? 1000+ years of beliefs tossed aside in an instant. Conquest would be no different.
>>153371225It's a memeAn exaggeration of both his speech and how viltrumites are instantly fixed on earth
>>153371780>>153371762Conquest x Conquest... the best ship...
>>153371447Yes, the whole point of adding this was to get rid of the meme that Nolan turned because of pussy and spaghetti. Viltrumites are MISERABLE. They HATE the way they live. They do it because they're convinced there's literally no other option, and as you see with Thragg, right now, there IS no other option. Through believes in something basically no one else in his species does at this point.
>>153373983Oh, he still would, even as Kindquest.
>>153371225It’s Conquest’s awareness in the faults of the Viltrum cause that makes him evil. What I would guess is happening is that people apply his babble directly to him instead of the fact that it alludes to the remaining Viltrumites being genuinely deluded in their beliefs of a better future.Conquest manifests the might of the empire without the genuine heart of it. The cause is what he wants it to be for his amusement, much like how Thragg later on will betray his own beliefs in the cause for his own gain.
>>153371225Conquest really reminds me of pic they would be great friends for sure>both are bloodthirsty pos>both scare the shit out of their kin>both like to kill children for fun
it's the human condition to wanna fix what isn't brokethat's why humans are stupid animals
>>153371225Cuz at least in the show canon, he's at least partially doing this because he thinks he doesn't have a choice. And he doesn't, Thragg likes him as his pet monster. Meanwhile the dude is such an emotional midget that he literally only knows how to interact with the world via violence.
>>153376239It doesn't sound like he wants to do it from the way he talks about it to Mark. It sounds like he does it because he doesn't think he has an option, and because it's literally the only thing he has or apparently believes he's allowed to have.Not to absolve him of his atrocities, of course, if he was that sickened he could've stopped, or turned on his masters and at least died clean, but the fact that he feels the need to go into those issues only when he's sure Mark is going to die (and only after Mark has put up a pretty damn good fight), says something about his mindset.
>>153374461Forget alternate universes, they should do a scene where it shows his grave smashed open, with dramatic music, then immediately cuts to him living on Earth peacefully.
>>153374314>the only woman he could fall for would have to be as fucked up as he ishe would think my skull hoard is cute, he would be able to tell that I have the dark urges but can't do it to anything bigger than a house cat, which was an accident, but I'm not just gonna not keep that skull too, looks way different than all the others, very interestingwe could have serial killer dates, I bet I could teach him to be sneaky, you gotta be sneaky about stuff on earth, it's not that everyone is judgey, they are, but you get in trouble on earth if you get caught, they make you go to the hospital againI want to bite him and tell him he's perfect
>>153374512>Mark and/or Angstrom are just going through multiple universes >They don't even notice Carl (who doesn't notice them as well)
>>153376100Grand Regent Conquest
>>153376387so you reckon it's stockholm syndrome? that's interestingi've often said that clearly viltrumites are the way they are because being functionally immortal means you never develop the thing literally all other animals past a certain intelligence level do: protective instincts toward your family. That's why mating with lesser species helps them develop that. But it's fucking weird if you can be that intrinsically aware of your nigh-immortality and then also give two fucks what your people think or about their dogma. So it MUST be that tons of others decided to bugger off, but they were hunted down and killed and that's why everyone left is scared.
>>153371280Have you seen the amount of effort people go through for jokes?
>>153376387he fucking loves killing people, it's literally his favorite thing; he doesn't like being controlledimagine if your favorite thing to do was golf and you got to golf all the time because it's your job, but your bosses are mean as shit and call you a stupid animal and hit you and make you live in a fucking box with no toilet on the fucking moon
Invincible is poorly written schlock and within the rules of it's own story Conquest would fold and become tamed by earth bitches like all the rest.
Fuck Mary Kill?
>>153377354>the rules of it's own story Conquest would foldI'm sorry but not at allJust because most viltrumites fold doesn't mean every viltrumite has to foldThragg doesn't.The sample size is too small to call that a "rule", it's just a common occurence
>>153377371lmfao at the skinny little robot arm
>>153377378Thragg was attacked before he could get some puss and that just hardened him into keeping his old ways. Left alone, Thragg would have been converted too.
>>153371225le subversion
>>153377498Thragg went slightly soft on his daughter but he still wouldn't reconsider his path in lifeYou can't rehabilitate everyone, some people are beyond fixingBoth nature and nurture can be factors at the same time.
>>153377378>Thragg doesn't.Because he excludes himself from the task of reproducing with humans for no apparent reason.And he only begins to show a glimmer of feelings when he finally has children.
>>153371225He was ruined the moment he started talking about his "feelings" and crap.
>>153377518He already softened. He just needed more time to fully convert. This is a man who has lived thousands of years after all. But the alliance went full retard instead which forced Thragg to backslide into his old ways.
>>153377518>>153377542Thragg was too proud and too invested in what he had been made and what he built himself to be to try another way.
>>153371269Noncanon filler for animeonly plebs
>>153378232It's sort of getting canonized in the comics
>>153371225steven universe ruined cartoon writing
>>153378316I wonder what's in that little box.
>>153378418Cum jar.
it seems to be mainly women. which makes sense a huge part of female romance is the idea of taming the beast. a violent chaotic male who can act proper but for her and her only. usually harmless and can make for descent story telling but dangerous if applied to irl. its just regular old mischaracterization by fans nothing new
>>153378348NO YOU DON't UNDERSTANDEVERY villain has to have le heckin' sad backstory!EVERY villain has to actually just be misunderstood!There are no bad guys!Only good guys, and good guys having bad days/weeks/years!Le heckin' CAT FINGERS bro!
>>153378443I said the same thing and made a whole thread seethe.
>>153378443
Wow, a lot of people are seriously angry at a clearly unhinged line from Conquest as if it ruined his character
Wow, I love making passive aggressive posts and pretending not to understand things.
>>153378717Not pretending, I genuinely don't understand how a clearly unhinged speech makes him steven universe, or "ruins his character"
Juxtaposition
>>153371225Personally I find the thirst art of him (and the rest of the viltrumites) more hilarious.
>>153378316He also actually does eat hearts, this is what he does in his spare time so he wouldnt have become nicequest
>>153378907I'd try reading some of the posts talking about it
>>153372663The Viltrumites only send Conquest around to brutalize planets, but he never got the opportunity to show them how capable he can be at psychological torture too.
>>153378316Why doesn't he live on Viltrum?
>>153378418Moustache grooming kit
>>153378418Your heart(on a string)
>>153379037Ottley joked canon Kindquest would just get hearts from the butcher shopFans ran with it
>>153378418grinder and rolling papers
>>153378988>Dad why would you bother burying him instead of just hucking him into space?>He was important, Mark. Invaluable to the empire. And he always had a weird old man crush on me but never did anything inappropriate with me when I was younger, and he could have. That was allowed on our planet.">"What?">"When I found out you spurned his advances too, and then killed him, I couldn't help but feel guilty. He had a long, lonely life.">"Dad what the fuck are you talking about?">"I don't know, I miss your mom."
>>153379536All the other viltrumites are scared of him, no one talks to him, no one wants to be his friend etc etc
>>153371269They wanted to differentiate him from Thragg, I think it was a good direction to take him in. Seems like he might rape you. Spooky
>>153380340you suppose cecil would have just watched that shit on the jumbotron tooyou reckon eve's dad would have had some hurtful words about that part
>>153371328Wait a second, op doesn't have yous in it on replies, LIES! PHOTOSHOPPED!
>>153371225Is this not obvious after so long? Grimdark is made wholesome and cute innocent is made edgy. Contrast is enjoyable. Are you just retarded or autistic.
>>153371280>don't think they would be putting so much effort into it if "it's a "joke"Where do you think we are?
>>153371269Said it before, but I thought it was going to lead up to his death being changed to be something more like the Killing Joke
>>153373709The fuck he doesn’t
>>153380289Could he take on Thragg?
>>153381160Can't defeat him, but is the closest to match him, I think.In the show the power gap is bigger, as Mark couldn't even make him flinch.
>>153381160if he wasn't being a weird freak getting off on the fight, and he was in his prime, honestly probably
>>153381160Nah thragg is the equivalent of 5 conquests in one body or roughly 7 nolans in the show the gap is much larger mark couldn't even make him bleed so probably 7 conquests
>>153381562So…Thragg is basically Broly or…? Invincible feels like DBZ Westernized as a gore parody.
>>153371280man imagine having no drive or imagination to have a giggleeven sadder not being even able to imagine it
>>153374314i worked with a guy kinda like this. he was in his 40s and we were at a starbucks coffee roasting plant. he would run everywhere and drive the forklift faster than you were probably supposed to. if he was cuttijg burlap sacks to drain them into the – well there's this big device called a "chain-way – when he was finished he would bang his boxcutter by the handle against the metal wall of the platform like he was ringing an alarm bell by way of saying that he would like a new pallet.strange to say as seriously as he took his work he took no pains to preserve his employment status. he loudly told jokes that were more crass than actually funny, for example he once told a woman from another department that she should try sticking the candy cane she was eating on her nipple and seeing how long she could keep it there. he was fired not long after that.one time he came in from a rather long smoke break and approached me directly, point at me and thumping his finger against the air as he spoke as if to scold me and said:>"listen to me, are you listening? good. listen>don't ever marry a stripper."and to this day i have not.
>>153381849Invincible wishes it was DBZ on its best day
>>153382369sounds like a drug addict. But also based for not pausing his life while at work.
>>153373788>they flock to serial killers A handful of nutjobs isn't representative of half of humanity you stupid fuck, otherwise people would just go around murdering each others in order to arouse women.
>>153374461Really why not? Its not as if they haven't shown characters with different morality in alternate universes before.Alternate universes are a wanky concept to begin with.
>>153371225humanity craves for redemption.
>>153382390dbz is fucking gay even if it inspired invincible, i am glad viltrumites can punch planets to death without having to scream and power up.
>>153382390I hear The Boys suffers this same malaise as well
>>153382536I think, deep down, we all crave redemption
>>153381562Thragg got his shit rocked instantly by four viltrumites
>>153382614They can't, even multiple viltrumites working together needed a dude with a magic gun to nuke the planet for them before they flew through it
>>153382699and goku almost fucking died from a gunshot.
>>153382739And?Dbshit and Invincible are both fucking garbage, both equally worthy of scorn.
>>153382749>invisible is shit, dbz is better>well, dbz is retarded>WELL THEY'RE BOTH RETARDED AND I'M BASEDYou are the reason conversations are impossible on this website now.
>>153382941You're an idiot for thinking every anon is the same person.
>>153371280Doesn’t really matter what you think.
>>153383058You know, I keep seeing defensive posts like this defending the nicequest shit and it's starting to make them look like either actual women, troons or fembrained men.
>>153383263Seems kind of a conspiracyfag conclusion to reach.
>>153375947>>153376061wow just a drawing right? totally not based in reality
>>153383275Not really.
>>153371225They want to fuck him.
>>153371225Am I completely nuts if I think the story of Invincible would have been way better if the plot had been a slowburn where Nolan had slowly but surely accumulated power for himself as a conspiracy instead of just delivering an ultimatum one day? It wouldn't have been hard for him to insist his hero team gets jurisdiction over world governments.
>>153382408maybe, i don't think he held himself to be better than a drug addict, but he never had a "down" day. i sort of imagine he wanted to be run out of town on a rail. he wanted to prove to himself he was a good a worker. the best out of a lousy heap, and then drive himself off somewhere else. not entirely at odd with him being on drugs.i suppose i'll add a footnote about the "chain-way". a large pully device comprising of a chain enclosed in a tube runs the distance between "green bean loading" and the cimbria, a decive to clean the beans. the chain is spaced from the tube by disks at short regular intervals. i and my co-workers would stand on a grating above a funnel that poured into the opening of such a pipe, and it would drain out an opeing elswhere on the bottom. the chain-way handles bends by means of gears.
>>153383263>defensiveIn the comics, the Viltrumites staying on earth to breed under Thragg‘s orders basically uniformly soften up similar to Nolan. Arguably Nolan remained stubborn for longer. The joke that someone like Conquest, who craves interpersonal connection would turn into a rugged, good natured grandpa is a joke so obvious that apparently the original comic artist made unofficial art about it a while ago.
>>153383629Why not them? Do you think only women and troons are enjoying the meme?
>>153383629I think it’s really funny how there are supposedly at the same time no women in nerd spaces but then they are also apparently loud enough to promote something to mainstream meme status at the same time.
Because otherwise he's discount nappa
>>153382689i just want to kill whoever i want whenever i want with utter impunity and no ripercussions on my life whatsoever. i don't need to redeem to anyone.
>>153384870>Because otherwise he's discount nappaHe still is but the new quotes are more memorable.
>>153384870He's much more intimidating than NappaEven without his lonely speech, he is great on screen
>>153379037He used their bodies for sustenance instead of letting their deaths go to waste. I'd say that's kind as far as galactic conquerors go.
>>153379037Ottley apparently said he'd still eat hearts, just bovine hearts bought from a butcher's shop. Yes, he really does like the taste of heart.
>>153381160No. Mark could hurt Conquest badly, and when Conquest let his guard down in a bad moment, kill him outright. Mark can't even make Thragg flinch.The reason Conquest thinks he's trapped being a monster is because in one sense he IS. There is nothing in all his strength he could do to defeat Thragg. He probably couldn't even make him take the fight seriously.
>>153382369This is just how factory men used to be, dude. You were judged (by your peers) by how productive you were. You were as sexually crude as humanly fucking possible. The only place a woman had was the front office blowing a useless manager or checking in the new hires you'd be hazing in a few days.I'm not saying that's the way to be, but it's the way it was. Is, still, in some smaller outfits.
>>153385699Nappa is meant to be a clown and Conquest isn't. Nappa's whole role in the story is to make Vegeta more menacing. Conquest is meant to be a main antagonist on his own.
