Why don't shows like American dragon or Gravity falls use American cryptids when they weren't inventing their own unique ones like moth man or the Jersey devil? All they did was borrow European ones and make a bit more rude. At the very most you will get a cameo from Big Foot or the Chupacabra but that's it.
>>153374680>or the Jersey devil?They did.
dragons (european mythology) are way cooler than bigfoot or deer or whatever americans believe in
>>153374680Gravity Falls had a few Fearsome Critters IIRC
>>153374680I don't know, probably because when we came here from Europe we took those ones with us as well?
>>153374680Because mot show wriers are normalfags who only use whats popular and auiences re normalfags who nly watch whats popular
>>153374680Because American cryptids are evil spirits, demons and monsters and not whimsical forest creatures from the days where paganistic religions had a special relationship with nature. Wendigos are literally cannibal killers cursed for eternity for the sin of consuming other humans, whereas skinwalkers are shamans who made deals with evil spirits to wreak vengeance on people. None of that is kid friendly.
>>153375273>evil spirits, demons and monstersFair Folk fit this description to a T.The more twee and whimsical depiction is pretty modern.
>>153375273>Wendigos are literally cannibal killers cursed for eternity for the sin of consuming other humansDraugr are walking dead who eat the flesh of the living, usually cursed for their cruel deeds in life.Arguably the most well known folkloric creature, the troll, is usually portrayed as a man-eater.>whereas skinwalkers are shamans who made deals with evil spirits to wreak vengeance on peopleMyling are murdered children who murder in return if not appeased. There's plenty of not very childfriendly european folklore.I'm sure american cryptids have some more whimsical beings, same as europe have ones that aren't.
>>153375273It probably doesn't help that a lot of those cryptids in some way or another link into some cultural folklore that they don't want to touch on too much in risk of getting it wrong.
>>153374680I thought there was a gravity falls short that had the Hide Behind.
>>153374680There’s a jackalope in the Mystery Shack.
>>153375273>whimsical forest creatures>A strange man walks up to you on an old woodlands trail>"Can I have a few minutes of your time?">"Sure, no problem">He just smiles and walks away>You wonder what that was all about>But for some reason you feel slightly... older
>>153375709>DraugrNeat. I learned a word today.
>>153374680The gnomes are worse.>Go to the tea party>unwittingly violate one of their unspoken autistic social rules>Ravens peck out your eyes and your entire family burns to death>this incident is handed down as a story meant to teach Estonian children about table manners
>>153375709>those Scandinavian things that are the spirits of babies left out to die of exposure when the family couldn't feed an extra mouth
>>153374680Both shows literally did this along with European ones. Did you even watch them or are you just making a thread under a broad assumption because you saw this image?
>>153375846Can I have your name?
>>153374680Because americans always have the need to have someone to blame for anything
>>153375982The Florida Skunk Ape is a bro.
>>153374680Because nobody cares about American cryptids. Yeah, when you think about it, American cyptids just don't have the cultural staying power that creatures from other countries do. Might have something to do with our more nebulous culture, or the fact most of them are honestly kinda basic, or maybe they're not as strongly defined. Either way, people just don't care about them as much. Also, the image you used demonstrates why paranormal fiction isn't as common in the US despite the enduring popularity of the X-Files. Us Yanks are all too happy to just shoot the weird critters. There's very little appeal to this stuff for most 'Murricans, cause the audience isn't going to perceive these things as a threat.
>>153374680eh, this is kind of a false equivalence.Cryptids are things somebody saw, that aren't identified. Happy little gnomes and shit are stories you tell about things outside your area. Sometimes they're sweet and cute, sometimes they're mischievous, and represent the dangers of the forest, whatever. But that's mythology, we have it too. Paul Bunyan is not a cryptid. In Europe, the cryptids are things like "holy shit was that a panther? Someone saw a panther and it shredded one of his cows, I think I just saw it" so they are absolutely terrified. They just don't have the ordinance to fight back.
>>153376059I'm with you on this, most of ours lack flavor. They're too indistinct, or too clearly 'ghost story' flavored.That said, I also feel this way about most native american, african, and to some extent asian mythology, where often they are NOT coming from a "Pokémon" kind of mindset, and they fail to tell us what it looks like, what it's made of, what category it belongs to, etc. Way, way too much mythology is "a spooky lady is gonna come and show you her intestines or something because her husband threw her down a well" or "There's a great beast we forgot to describe but we're pretty sure it has... features of some kind.. and certainly a color, it must have... and you should beware because.. um... well it, I suppose it eats people"and american stuff has flavors of that, but most often they also have a visual description that is just kinda lame and obviously something else mistaken. like the flatwoods monster being clearly an owl. Or just copies of logical and probably real things, like plesiosaurs in lochs, except in landlocked lakes where you would not have plesiosaurs.The main 'star' american cryptid is Bigfoot, who is pretty legit and interesting. but Jersey Devil is so vague and dumb, and Wendigos are clearly just a magic disease, not a proper creature.major exceptions to what I just said include the american southwest and most of latin america, where they actually have really awesome mythologies and cryptids. Chupacabras are fuckin cool.
>>153375273>Because American cryptids are evil spirits, demons and monsters and not whimsical forest creaturesI disagree.
>>153374914>>153375068>>153375961This but you'll have a bunch of people agreeing with OP's blatantly false premise anyway because this board is retarded and falls for obvious us v them bait every single time.
>>153376159Eh. Even Bigfoot is just an ape person. >WendigoPretty sure those are mostly Candian, actually.
>>153374680>European cryptids: Named something like Neckwringer in an archaic dialect. Coinflip on wether they'll help you, or rape you and your family. Has literal magical powers that prevents people from easily finding them>American cryptids: Named something like "The Floogollyman of Bodunk creek", might actually be an alien, likely just a branch that looked weird. All evidence of them being in the form of blurry pictures has nothing to do with the actual abilities of the creature, and is just pure coincidenceOnly good american cryptids are fearsome critters.
>American cryptid>OMG THE RONALD MCDONALD STATUE MOVES AT NIGHT AND EATS THOSE WHO SEE IT>European cryptid>weird gnome thing that is either the gnomertrollenyogger who fixes your shoes if you give it bread or the kdengeryaggarflabar who kidnaps your children if you see it taking a shit, depending on the country>Asian cryptid>it's the spirit of a chicken that fell down a cliff and because he wasn't buried using the ritual specific to his hometown he now wanders around roads and skins you alive because fuck you>South American cryptid>weird dog-bear thing that eats your cattle and fears Jesus Christ>50% chance of it actually being the devil or the grim reaper looking for some drunktard willing to sell their soul for booze
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>They're people right not that don't know the wonders of the hoop snake.Sadge.
>>153376383>African cryptid>An Albino
>>153375977Protocol 4000-Eshu requires me to politely decline.
>>153374680Americans saw themselves as simply Anglos who didn't want to take orders from London until after WW2, when it shifted its identity into the holy crusaders of the Liberal World Order™. They don't care about Native cryptids because it was never truly their culture, only borrowing a handful of spooky legends that sounded cool.
Americans tend to prefer humans with anomalous properties over cyrptids.
>>153374680>inviting the fair folk into your houseNGMI
>>153376506He's already dead
>>153374680>>153375933>gnomes knock on your door>Excuse me sir, can I have your name?>Sure, my name is Richard>HAHAHA, GOTCHA BITCH, YOUR NAME IS NOW MINEAnd then you become a mindless thrall or something because they now own your soul.It's a story for kids meant to teach them the dangers of verbal contracts or something.
>>153375028>than bigfoot or deer or whatever americans believe in>deer Holy shit do they not have deers in india?
>>153376390>why do you care so much about the people who are currently destroying the world economy for shits and giggles?
>>153375273>where paganistic religions had a special relationship with nature. Wendigos are literally cannibal killers cursed for eternity for the sAnon... wendigos are native american which is pretty fucking close to nature. you guys are all fucking retarded
>>153376669They're likely referring to the "not-deer". They're these creepy ass... things that look like deer, but aren't. They're mostly in the Appalachians.
>>153376216like I said, Paul Bunyan isn't a cryptid. You're looking at folklore. American folklore is adorable, and often very silly. I'm a big fan of the Cactus Cat.>>153376320I've never understood the idea that bigfoot is in some way an ape-man, but I guess that's my not-being-an-evolutionist speaking
>>153376673nobody cares about china and russia, anon>>153376413hoop snakes are so silly yet such a neat idea.
>>153376461>WW2 and american world-policing is now liberalanon you need to get as far away from /pol/ as you can, and burn your shoes.
>>153374680>In Ireland I stayed at a lonely bungalow last summer which the peasants avoided not because a ghost had been seen near it (they didn’t mind ghosts) but because the Good People, the Faerie, frequented that bit of coast. So apparently ghosts are the least alarming kind of spirit.-C.S. LewisFear of of the Fair Folk lasted well into what we would think of as modern times.
>Cryptids? There's a task force for that.
>>153376830Honestly don't blame them.>No concrete rules or ways to protect yourself>Nowhere is really safe from them, not even your own home>You behavior doesn't even really matter. They might curse your entire bloodline, even though you were being nice, simply because you were being nice in a way they personally dislike, like not taking off your hat while greeting someonePeople often meme about the Enchantress from Beauty and the Beast, but she's actually being pretty rational and fair, all things considered.The Prince was actually being a dick to a stranger in need.
>>153376945Lewis dedicated an entire chapter of "The Discarded Image" to the Medieval perception of the "Longaevi".Basically Medieval scholars liked having a tidy universe with a place for everything and everything in its place, and Fair Folk just didn't fit, which irritated them to no end.
>>153376810Call it what you want.The point is post-war American identity is being a defender of FREEDOM™ and not much else. There's zero continuity with the Native cultures, so there's little interest in retelling their myths.
>>153376681>>153375352Fae aren't necessarily evil or malevolent, they are literally a part of the forest as a manifestation of it rather than just inhabiting it. Paganism in Europe resembled something more like Shintoism with the spirit of things, its not the same as cryptids who happen to be in the forest because all the spooky things are in forests and the forests are big and easy to hide in. Nobody even defines a specific X forest in America because its such a stretch of land with unbroken features, whole regions are JUST forest, JUST desert or plains or mountains. Native tribes being semi-nomadic built their mythology over the whole of the land not just a fixed place like Germany or Greece which has been inhabited continuously since the literal first human arrivals, native tribes at least in US territory saw an universality in the spirits of nature that actually compares better to other nomadic peoples in the Asian steppes.
>>153376059The truth is that most Euro cryptids are so generalized and removed from their origins at this point they're functionally new creations using names. Probably the most famous Euro cryptid that still retains its context-specificity in wider cultural use is the Loch Ness Monster due to its name containing its actual geographical origin - and it's a known hoax.
I’d rather fist fight a skinwalker than deal with the Fae’s bullshit to be honest. Higher chance of surviving I’d say.
>>153377057The “skinwalker” you’re thinking of is a pop-culture invention that can be punche in the face and shot with guns, whereas the original skinwalker of Native American myth and religion is not very different to the fae folk
>>153376810"Liberal" ideals remain unchanged at their core from the days of the French revolution, even as things keep being piled on them, and they include things like free speech, self determination, economic freedom, freedom of work, freedom of travel and marriage, etc. These are so intrinsict to how we understand the world now that its hard to even conceptualize them as a distinct ideology for most people, but that also means people don't get they are imposing an ideology when they extend things like universal human rights that contain all of Liberalisms' tenets and then some. Some are universally compatible with virtually all cultures but others are not, and its a historical fact that western countries and specially the US failed completely at extending them. Decolonization was botched and created autocratic collectivist regimes where individualism didn't prosper. Globalization led to kleptocratic oligarchies at best or failed states at worst. In the US and Europe themselves, individualism led to flat out hedonism, self obsession, identity politics and a morose, materialistic and ethically bankrupt approach to life, where success is only measured by line-go-up policies, peter pan syndrome adults and broken social bonds. The US absolutely did export a lot of this in the form of foreign aid but also in its cultural exports.
>>153374680One issue with american creatures is that most of them are more like unique existences than proper "magical species". You don't encounter A Mothman, you encounter Mothman. There's no jersey devils, only the jersey devil, and so on.If you remove:>unique characters>ayyliens> those fucking Nessie ripoffs that absolutely nobody takes seriously.You are left with very few creatures left.>Skinwalkers (human variant)>wendigos (human variant)>bigfoots >Jackalopes>Moon eyed people (human variant?) (ayylien?)>ThunderbirdsThe thunderbird in particular seems to be the one truly majestic creature around, Essentially the dragon of North America.
>>153377057Have you read Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell? The Gentleman's curse on Stephen and Lady Pole is one of those classically common expressions of the Fae and what they do but often forgotten in modern tellings of stories dealing with Fae, not to mention the curse on the titular characters themselves. Very typical in older stories and uncommon in modern ones. There was once a Christian named Julius Caesar who landed in England and was met by three men, all named John Hollyshoes. The master of the castle at Pity-Me had a magical ring that was stolen by his daughter and eaten by a Christian goose at St Matthew's feast.
>>153377232A lot of Euro folklore contains centuries of contact with radically different peoples, their fears, misconceptions and stereotypes, like Elves, Dwarves, centaurs, dogmen, cyclops, sirens, fauns, gnomes, etc all being partly inspired by a specific tribe, subculture or ethnic group, or by travelling far and seeing really weird alien shit like huge ass animals they've never seen before. You need a settled society with a sense of otherness to the world beyond their own land to build such a mythos.
>>153375709>I'm sure american cryptids have some more whimsical beingsThe good ol North American Jackalope.
>>153376059I don't know about that exactly. I think a lot of it is also that their country is so new in the grand scheme of things. A lot of these cryptids from European stuff are older than the states are and have had genuinely hundreds of years to take roots. The stuff states sides is too new and mostly known to them.
I gotta be honest, SCP-1000 has kinda ruined all other interpretations of Bigfoot for me.
>>153377320That book is so goddamn good.It's everything I wanted out of Harry Potter but didn't get.
>>153377320I am the Champion of the Castle of the Plucked Eye and Heart
>>153377414Best thing about that one is wondering of they were being sincere in the "we forgive you" message.
>>153377414Never bothered reading much of that. How's their interpretation on the species?
>>153376416Africa has a bunch of cryptids. The Secret Saturdays actually used that winged cyclops goblin that ass rapes men then threatens to ass rape them again if they don't tell everyone they were ass raped.
>>153377608I like to think the individual and/or the specific group they represent are being sincere. Obviously not all of them share the sentiment. >>153377751TL;DRThe bigfoots are the previous dominant sapient species of the planet. Humans used to be their slaves until we wiped them out by turning their organic technology against them.
>>153376059>Us Yanks are all too happy to just shoot the weird crittersSaying you'd shoot Big Foot in the Pacific Northwest/Rockies or Moth Man at Point Pleasant will get you dirty looks at best and a shitkicking at worst. We love our weird ass regional probable hoax hominids. >>153376320Great Lakes.
>>153376719Those are just deer squaring up for the species equivalent of fisticuffs. Taken on a camera made in 1997.
>>153377043Can you add some more examples? I'm curious
>>153377208Skinwalkers are witches (very close in specifics to Bantu witch lore, oddly enough), the Navajo are just being deliberately obtuse about it in modern times.
>european cryptids
>>153375846>Track the strange man down and beat the fuck out of him.>He just smiles, hands me two shiny new haypennies, wrinkles his nose, and then jumps into his own hatEuro folklore is fucking odd.
/co/ really is a world apart from /v/Whenever this gets posted there it only takes ~20 posts to devolve into porn
>>153374680Because American cryptids can be just some fucking serial murderer as all the immigrants in America already carried European mythos with them. The real monster was always man.
>>153375846The old piece of shit stole an entire 2 minutes! That's like... 2 posts on 4chan
>>153374680>All they did was borrow European onesbro we literally speak English in the US and have white skin, the country was founded as an ENGLISH COLONY of course it's gonna "borrow" European fairy tales
>>153375028Dragons are cool but I would be more afraid of facing a Wendigo than a Dragon
>>153376320>Even Bigfoot is just an ape person.there's also stick Indians which are murderous Bigfeet with hypnotic powers
>>153374680>>153377616>>153377849Stupid dumbWojakshitter scum.
>Allegewi - man eating giant in the Appalachians>Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Skunk Ape/Orange Eyes - hairy ape man and possible missing link>Jackalope - rabbit with antlers>Pukwudgy - 3ft tall humanoids that magically start fires and attack intruders with poisoned arrows>Thunderbird - giant eagle of the Pacific Northwest>Raven Mocker - shapeshifting birdman that eats people's hearts>Wendigo - evil spirit that possesses people that partake in cannibalism>Spearfinger - stone skinned witch that uses her long nails to cut out people's livers>Hide Behind - shapeshifting ambush predator that can be repelled by alcohol >Gardinel - monster disguised as an abandoned cabin that eats anyone that enters>Deer Woman - pretty lady with hooves instead of feet that will ask you to dance and stomp you to death if you refuse>Wanderlight - literally a will o wisp>Dewayo - wolfman of Maryland
>>153374680Yeah, but these little fuckers will skin your entire family.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYqPTqyWxnc
>>153375273This isn't entirely wrong. Having friendly spirits is useful from a writing perspective. But many of these native magical creatures, friendly or unfriendly, are still strongly connected to the Native American cultures that produced them. Writers are worried about causing offense if they use those beings divorced from their original cultural context. It brings to question why no one wants to make stories that are explicitly Native American through and through. Whether it's disinterest or worries about cultural appropriation I think both are rather a shame.
>>153381643come on man how could you forget my boy the Jersey Devil
>>153376059Paranormal romance was extremely popular in the book world like 10-15 years ago. Paranormal fantasy in general was more popular once. It wasn't just X-Files it was stuff like Charmed, Sabrina the Teenage Witch and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Stuff oscillates in popularity. That said, in all the examples I mentioned they did mine other mythologies for material to flesh out their worlds, it wasn't just American cryptids.
>>153381683There are so many variations of the Jersey Devil story that I had trouble summarizing it in a single statement.
>they don’t know about the meat-eating pink cloud west of Daytona, Florida
>>153381643>Chessie/Champ/Ogopogo - Nessie style lake monster>Beast of Bray Road - wolfman of Wisconsin >Squonk - gross creature with saggy skin that constantly cries because it's self conscious about its appearance>Flatwoods Monster/Dover Demon - literally grey aliens>Stick Men - extremely tall, thin, 2 dimensional humanoids that stand there MENACINGLY>Beast of Busco - giant snapping turtle>Grampus - dolphin man that sits in a tree and yells at virgins>Piasa Bird - man faced dragon thing>Boo Hag - vampires that steal your breath instead of your blood>Tommyknocker - gnomes that warn miners of imminent caveins>Letiche - feral child raised by alligators that attacks boats in the bayou >Milton Lizard - giant lizard in Kentucky>Nain Rouge - a red dwarf that curses people with misfortune>Hugging Molly - ghost woman that hugs children tightly and screams in their ears>Miniwashitu - cyclops of North Dakota that drives people insane when they look at it
>>153374680america is cursed land full of demons
>>153381643>>Deer Woman - pretty lady with hooves instead of feet that will ask you to dance and stomp you to death if you refuseThis definitively was just a /k/ommando who got drunk and played with/fucked a deer and then made up a story about it.
Why do people always ignore America's literature? American Literature has been insanely influential especially with how young it is. In this regard creations like Moby Dick, Headless Horseman, and Lovecraft stuff are all iconic monsters.
>>153376719>>153378422
>>153381211>we literally speak Englisheh>have white skinlol>the country was founded as an ENGLISH COLONYtry again
>>153375977You may not have my name but you can call me CHUCK
>>153374680>instead of borrowing european ones"American" folklore is just stolen from injuns
>>153375846Every normalfag ever
>>153374680Why does this image have a gradient
>>153384292To add to the horror tone on the bottom.Vs the light whimsy of above
>>153374680Supernatural was already doing that but better on The WB.
>i want the x files but cartoon
>>153384325Yes, but I would prefer an SCP cartoon.
>>153384325Yes. I do want that.
>>153374680>ouiEveryone knows gnomes are germanic
>>153374680They're all indigenous myths and white people refuse to touch indigenous culture nowadays lest they get branded a racist for cultural appropriation
half of Euro cryptids want to either eat you or steal and marry your daughters.
>>153384877Gnomes are the Germanic pastoral woodland spirit regarding progress and creeping industralization as the poison that it is.
>>153377336when you have a society like the early americas with lots of pioneers and homesteaders living in the woods, you get a bunch of folktales that are essentially "i saw some weird shit in the woods". it's got its own charm, i feel. half the fun of folklore is believing in it even when it's obviously fake.
>>153382166That reminds me, Fright Krewe is all Cajun folklore monsters, although they did do some weird things like making the Honey Island swamp monster a plant creature.
>>153374680Every single euro knows that the gnome is ten times worse than the skinwalker if you manage to piss him off. You will spend five centuries as a moldy bread in his pantry or something if you don't accept his invitation for tea.
>>153374680>what did you say about me bitch?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Bu5J_0A2kjw
