Find a flaw
>>153376974cubes are cooler than spheres
>>153376974It can't fight non-capes.
>>153376974Itself
>>153376974Someone forgot to program the self-preservation code.
>>153376974Boring design with no real flair.
no breast or penis
Why did Syndome make it self-aware?
>>153376974No! Then you'll just make a NEW one.
>>153377430Something something Chronos something something overthrows the father
>>153376974Five legs is excessive. 4 is enough for stable locomotion. 3 is enough for stability in place, if it moves by retracting the legs and rolling.
>>153377430Syndrome clearly didn't think that through. He thought it would make the robot even stronger and more invincible if it could think on it's own rather than be a basic robot.
>>153376974SYNDROME'S REMOTE
coolest disney villain ever
>>153376974Like a woman with a dildo it self penetrates.
It can't fly by itself
>>153376974syndrome's retardation gave birth to it
>>153376974The claws can be removed and used to destroy the robot. Make the claws too weak to penetrate the main body.
>>153377882Four legs for walking, the fifth for attacking
>>153377430It's not self aware, it's just very good self preservation coding
>>153376974It's obese and have an odd number of limbs. Should have an even number of limbs starting at 6 and upward.
>>153379640Then it needs more legs.
>>153380151More legs = More vagianasImagine.
>>153377430he didnt think it would be smart enough to turn on him
>>153376974its armor can be penetrated by the same metal its made out of
>>153377430It wasn't self-aware, it was just programmed badly. Like when someone tries to make an AI learn how to do something in a videogame with repeated trial and error, but instead of learning how to do it properly it exploits a bug in the physics to launch itself at high speeds towards the destination by flailing like a retard.Except with a murderbot.
>>153376974Delivering it via a rocket which could probably be easily traced back to his private island.
>>153377430If it was self aware. It would have changed its strategy against Mr. incredible mid their first fight. But it was programmed to fight against Frozone so it thought the volcano was all the advantage it needed. Also, it wasn't able to realize that stabbing itself was a bad move.
>>153376974the only thing hard enough to penetrate it is itself
>>153376974Didn't listen to Daddy Syndrome.
Ripped off Doc Ock's tentacle arms.
>>153376974it's ai
>>153376974It's just a walking eye! Anybody could build one o those!
>>153376974Its prey species is not naturally abundant.
>>153376974Not bad
>>153381429>Also, it wasn't able to realize that stabbing itself was a bad move.Weird how Syndrome never thought to fix this problem.
>>153388271The only reason it got killed a second time by its own hand was because the Par family exploited the remote control to shoot its own claw through it's body. So I think it didn't matter if Syndrome patched out the "attack myself to get to my enemy" code one way or the other.
>>153376974Neck joint is always vulnerable, might require a slightly different head design to mitigate. Ranged weapon is exposed and destructible on v10 and could likely be better hidden within the head. Earnestly I don't think this is a flaw which could be easily addressed, any other head design likely wouldn't work as well in terms of combining flexibility with the ability to suitably "plug" the head port in the most simple manner possible, i.e. almost any other head design would require a very different and possibly more complicated (read: vulnerable) mechanism to seal completely.>>153377430It was never self-aware, but it seems to have no IFF system of any kind. It's a killing machine which was not made to discern between different people while aggressive. After the defeat of the very first Omnidroid Syndrome told Mirage to sound an all-clear because no matter what the Omnidroids, while active, would've tried to kill anyone they ran into. The Omnidroid v10 was no exception; Syndrome fought it, and so it identified him and his remote as a threat and attacked. It is smart enough to identify opponents but was not made smart enough to "play-act", when it tries to kill it tries to kill.>>153388271The thing is that it actuall might've been fixed, we just never got to see that because the next Omnidroid fights never ended with anyone getting inside of them. The v10 was defeated with a claw that'd been detached from itself externally while the v8 stabbed itself trying to reach Mr. Incredible when he got inside of it.
>>153388271Funnily enough, most guided weapons systems aren't programmed to not identify its own launcher. Two incidents of this were in Ukraine where a Russian BUK blew itself up with a boomeranging missile. The other was a year ago in Israel.
>>153381429>it was programmed to fight against FrozoneWhy do people keep repeating this headcanon just because they switched targets from Frozone to Mr. Incredible? The omnidroid is never programmed to fight a specific hero. It adapts to whoever it's fighting and if it loses, Syndrome uses the data from the battle to upgrade it and remove its weaknesses. As Syndrome stated, the omnidroids were always for Mr. Incredible. He just needed to get it strong enough to fight him.
>>153376974It isn't the REGIS MARK V, which is invulnerable and cannot be stopped.
>>153389359>Why do people keep repeating this headcanonBecause Frozone was the intended target before Mirage realized that Mr. incredible was also with him. And the Omnidroid went out of it's way to take him to an environment that perfectly counters Frozone as evidenced by the earlier conversation about how a burning building nerfed him. Otherwise there would be no reason for a physically superior robot to pick an environment like a volcano when Mr. Incredible would have still lose in an open area where the Omnidroid's superior mobility proved too much already.
>>153390265>Otherwise there would be no reason for a physically superior robot to pick an environment like a volcanoThe omnidroid didn't pick a volcano. There just happened to be a volcano on the island and it followed Mr. Incredible there.
>>153390289Why do you think on such a huge island, the Omnidroid chose to attack within let's be generous and say a mile of an easy volcano entrance instead of literally anywhere else?
>>153390339>the Omnidroid chose to attack within let's be generous and say a mile of an easy volcano entranceSyndrome has control over where the omnidroid is. You are now suggesting that not only did Syndrome specifically program the omnidroid to fight Frozone and didn't change the programming after switching targets even though Mr. Incredible was his main target the entire time, but he didn't even change the battle plan specifically catered to Frozone.
>>153376974>Find a flawno cocktherefore not worthy of respect
>>153390424>Syndrome has control over where the omnidroid isSo why pick near a volcano entrance? >but he didn't even change the battle plan specifically catered to Frozone.Yes, because a volcano would still be dangerous to someone with super strength, but it ultimately worked against the Omnidroid because it lost it's superior mobility which had already proved to be the ideal match against Mr. Incredible for the minute or two it was fighting him.
>>153376974garbage bag full of black paint, dropped onto its eye, blinding it. wait for it to flip over to use its other eye and repeat with another bag of paint. while blinded, get Dash to wrap a rope around each of the arms and then have Bob yank the rope, bringing all the legs together then hogtie it. then smash the shit out of where the arms connect to the robot, rendering it just a large ball.
>>153390465>So why pick near a volcano entrance?If the plan was to fight in the volcano, it would make a lot more sense for it to appear at the volcano entrance or in the volcano, not a considerable distance away.>but it ultimately worked against the Omnidroid because it lost it's superior mobilityYour own post defeats your point. As you said, the omnidroid started out the fight in the open forest where it had the advantage of superior mobility. Mr. Incredible led it into the volcano. It started the fight away from the volcano because fighting in the volcano was never the plan.
>>153390339Nta, but this is retarded because it goes against the entire point of the robots.He was trying to just kill people with super powers, he wanted improve the robots by field testing them.Sending a super hero to defeat one, only to cripple their super power via the environment is the same as just sending a normal person to fight the robot. What's the fucking point?He'd want the hero to be a full strength in order to stress-test the robot design.
>>153390666>If the plan was to fight in the volcanoFighting near a volcano entrance that's easy to access is just a way to give it a means of defeat. Obviously Frozone could not go there at all and that might lead to a V.9 having to fight him afterwards if Syndrome can get him to come back should he defeat the V.8>Mr. Incredible led it into the volcanoI'm sorry. If the omni droid didn't pick the volcano, why do you think Bob did on his own? Once again, whether you like it or not, with such a big island the choice of where to start the fight leans towards the volcano being a part of that specific plan when there's no other part of the island with a ravine that leads right into it visible the rest of the movie and the obvious size of the machine and where Syndrome chose to drop Bob to "intercept" it. >>153390670>because it goes against the entire point of the robots.Syndrome had the V9 ambush Bob when he had no reason to suspect an attack out of pure spite. Why do you think he wouldn't skew things in his favor for other supers prior to this?
>>153390817>why do you think Bob did on his own?He didn't. He was just running away and ended up in the volcano.>with such a big island the choice of where to start the fight leans towards the volcanoDude, the volcano is at the center of the island.>Syndrome had the V9 ambush Bob when he had no reason to suspect an attack out of pure spite. Why do you think he wouldn't skew things in his favor for other supers prior to this?Ambushing a hero is different from not letting a hero use his powers at all. The goal was to beat Mr. Incredible. The other heroes were just used to make the omnidroid stronger.
>>153376974how did we go from that to this?
>>153377430Like people say, it wasn't so much self-aware as programmed in a way that made it dangerous to everyone.There's systems tested in the real life that end up targeting their own commanders since it interprets them as obstacles to its objective in telling it to hold fire
>>153392306They are two entirely different forms of robots designed for vastly different tasks
>the robot was programmed to fight frozone!Did anyone else watch the movie where they explain with a powerpoint that the robot is only redesigned after it's defeated, seemingly to make an undefeatable robot only its owner can deactivate?That comes with a very interesting plothole, because the narrative purpose is so it defeats Mr Incredible and lets Syndrome reveal his master plan... but then it's dropped. There were no supers coming in to fight it. It doesn't beat Mr Incredible again but it does beat Syndrome. Frozone doesn't count because he's just the +1, the token black guy joining in with the average family, and really takes a backseat in the story.But no, instead in this thread we're arguing over if a volcano fight was intentional for a robot that wasn't ever going to fight in the field near a volcano?
>>153392306>haha what if HAL-9000 but for kids! Also the robots are actually the good guys!This movie was filled with so many contradictions and should never have gone past earth
>>153394088>There were no supers coming inTo be fair, the attack happened rather quickly; so it was probably less of supers not saving them and more of not quick enough to react.Not to mention that we don't really know if any of them were still out there practicing/honing their abilities at their time, nor if they were mentally prepared to start hero-ing again
>>153376974I remember watching that for the first time and thinking this is just that one fight in Yuyu Hakusho where they beat the demon mech by tricking it into hitting itself with its long stabby arms.
>>153394971no you don't
>>153394903>but headcanon...If the final published narrative has the robot not fighting Supers, and is even immune to Syndrome's own super tech, why did he make it to fight Supers?>we don't know if any existThat's my point. In the story they do not exist other than as characters we are told died off screen, a skeleton on screen whose purpose is "Syndrome's a bad guy, also we need Mr Incredible to get a computer password without explanation because it's really important for the following scene!" and a friend to foil Mr Incredible for a few minutes who was himself itching to get back into heroing so badly he had his suit ready and was breaking into burning buildings for thrills.
>>153388727I wonder if you're just falling into a fallacy in thinking the head is needed at all. Hypothetically, you could remove the entire thing and just place cameras and sensors around the body itself, which would actually improve its detection if it could activate all of them at once. If that's not possible due to technology limitations at the time, you could probably still secure the head inside the body anyway in a sort of 'cockpit.'
>>153395214The purpose of the omnidroid is to beat Mr Incredible. Everything else is secondary. This is what Syndrome's entire character is based around, proving that Mr Incredible was wrong for rejecting him because he doesn't have powers.Syndrome needs a threat that even Mr Incredible can't defeat to prove that he's a better superhero than him. He explicitly states this in the movie. And the only way to create a threat that Mr Incredible can't defeat is to train it on other superheroes. Syndrome's plan to play superhero is just the cherry on top; a way to supplement himself into Mr Incredible's place.
>>153395715You know what you're right anon. I forgot that.
>>153395084Yeah the fuck I do, they even gave the exact same "its armor is indestructible so the only thing that can hurt it is itself" explanation to beat it, so that proves that I thought that thought 20 something years ago or however long it was.
>>153377430It just understood its objective too well. To learn, and it learned that if it was gonna do better, it had to get rid of the controller.
>>153396684I hope you go broke suing a movie studio for ripping off your idea of "alien invasion with like cool battles and shit" that you never showed to anybody you fucking mong
>>153379583>>153381355Having a strong enough material isn't enough to destroy it. You also need to produce enough force to penetrate it.
>>153388650>>153388727>>153389198I was referring to how the armor was never buffed to withstand its own attacks.
The gloves that could put things into stasis just by pointing at them were more impressive than the robot. It's just a robot. Those gloves are magic.
>>153398262He wanted to save his best tech for his hero "debut" but honestly, the robot not being programmed with the right failsafes and his costume design tell us that he got lost in his own sauce.
>>153395517I agree that sensors all over the body would be a better move for awareness and detection but I personally don't think it's as good an idea if we consider each vision port or sensor cluster to be a weakpoint. Overall I feel like trying to stud the body with sensors could in and of itself be dangerous, because in theory we'd be placing numerous seams around the body which could be vulnerable to a strong or smart enough super, or, God forbid, conventional weapons. A single pair of redundant heads at least reduces the overall number of weak points of that type.Regarding the head, my main thing would be wanting, for example, to replace the present overall top-shaped heads with something, say, more shaped like a convex dome or disk or so, something very low-lying on the body and more difficult for an opponent to sieze and better for deflecting blows, but again that feels a bit like it wouldn't be quite as efficient as the Omnidroid's present head design, e.g. the v10 could angle its head quite a bit even when it was tipped over, which a dome-shaped head wouldn't be able to do quite as easily.
>>153377533How did it take me until now to get that, fuck Incredibles is so good
>>153398204Because that's even more cartoonishly impossible than Elastigirl's powerset. Material can always destroy itself, it takes Diamonds to cut through diamonds.
>>153376974>make a robot that hunts and adapts to super heroes>begin to act like a super hero in front of it>surprised it adapts to his strategy during the mock battle and tries to kill himwhat was he expecting?
>>153376974Why was the second Omnidroid that fought Bob not guarding the base? They didn't have enough time to scrap it for parts to build the big one that went into the rocket, that one ways probably already done.
>>153379714Didn't the v10 have 6 limbs?
>>153401185Buddy is super smart, he's not super sensible
>>153395517>>153399902I think the big central eye is probably necessary for the beam weapon, but the barrier to studding less sophisticated, cheaper eyes up and down every arm like a starfish would be processing all that information into a useful realtime image.
>>153397987I'll finish it someday once I figure out story and meaningful characterization to tie together all the awesome fight scenes I thought up while listening to heavy metal and stuff.
