What if Marvel uses one of its sub franchises and published a booklet every week of different Series in that subfranchise of the bigger Marvel comic books like manga companies do with manga? I figured they could try first with one spider people and one X-Men one.
>>153377784That's more or less just what UK Comic magazines did back in the day
>>153377814How did that go for them? Legitimately asking.
>>153377835I'm not British so I don't know, but they were around for a while so I would assume they did ok
>>153377784I think DC did this with those Walmart books a few years ago. I don't see them anymore so I'm assuming it wasn't a huge success. I mean even those English Shonen Jump mags didn't last that long. I guess something like MAD or Heavy Metal would be similar, those are pretty long lasting. Don't think their doing too hot these days but then most print media isn't as far as I know.
>>153377784Dude...there's a reason why Shonen Jump magazines failed in the US
If it didn’t work for Shonen Jump here in the US, with premade material much cheaper to publish, why would it work for American comics that you need to pay into producing and would cost much more?Smartest move Shueisha did was pushing digital 10+ years ago.
>>153377784Americans don't like anthologies.
>>153377814I don't care about back in the day, there used to be malls and chocolate cigarettes back in the day. It's not a valid argument to refer to things back in the day for examples of what will work or won't work today
The structure of WSJ is more complex than just being an anthology. It's a competition. There are around 20 titles, and they are ranked via reader survey.If a title ranks 15th or below (in combination with other factors such as volume sales, demographic share, etc. but rank correlates with these also), the editors will begin looking for a new title to introduce to replace it and the author of the failing title is axed.It is a mechanism that self-regulates for success in the market. If all 20 titles are shit, then anything better will easily compete for top place, and the shit titles are forced to compete to stay in the magazine.If all 20 titles are amazing, then even good titles get axed and the competition to be better than amazing persists.If there were infinite titles, there would be no pressure on authors to produce something that sells, aka what Marvel and DC are like. In WSJ, it's not enough for a title to be good on its own merits, it must be a top 20 title.
>>153378146Furthermore, new titles are selected largely from competition winners. It's not a contractual arrangement, it's simply an effective source for titles that are likely to be popular. The competitions, which are a separate thing, are also ranked by readers. This takes as much bias away from editors and ensures that what gets published is what readers actually want to read. And since you must buy the magazine to submit a reader survey, all this data describes the habits of paying customers only.
>>153378146>>153378184Think of it like a shelf in a supermarket selling chocolate bars.There is only limited space. If some of the chocolate bars aren't selling very well, then the ownership of that shelf space will be up for grabs by something that will potentially sell better.It's a self regulating mechanism. If all the chocolate bars are shit, then it would be very easy for a half-decent chocolate bar company to dominate the market, and so good chocolate bars naturally appear. And when all the chocolate bars are good, then even those good chocolate bar companies are pressured to make theirs even better to maintain market dominance.
>>153377784>Have so much nostalgia for the American Shonen Jump magazine and it basically defined my childhood until it sadly ended in 2012>Now a 26-year-old oldfur realizing it was basically just Wizard for weebs
>>153377784That would mean they sell 5-6 different ongoings in 1 book, when they could be selling them for 5-6x the full price. no.and besides the big draw of shonen jump, uk comics, french spirou magazine etc, is that you can buy them at newsstands. US comics are only available in dedicated comic book shops (and in digital).
>>153377784there is nothing that can save comics without wholesale changing the structure of the stories and what they're attempting to do. Even if they had some initially successful gimmick it would quickly wane as people wonder why the fuck is Mary Jane Venom or any number of asinine things that are happening right now
>>153378243I'm never a fan of ideas that involve just directly replacing the current paradigm. That's risky, don't replace the old thing until you're absolutely sure the replacement is actually an improvement.They should instead make something like this. A separate entity to the mainline comics publications.>Marvel Competitive16 or so titles are sold under this banner maximum.They will appear as totally regular comic issues, published monthly, but they will be marketed with a uniquely branded Marvel Competitive logo, and sold in a special shelf with a cardboard cutout marketing thing, pic related.Titles will be judged based on sales figures.All titles will be the same price, and contain the same number of pages.How each title is made is up to each creator, they're free to use whatever methods they like.Incentives will be offered to both the readers and the creators to top ranking titles in the form of increased investment in reprints, alt covers, merchandise, etc.Lowest ranking titles will be replaced by new titles that may potentially sell better.
>>153378243>Food analogy
>>153378641Fuck off, retard
>>153377784>what if comics went weeklyThey can't even handle monthly. Why are we being raided by weebs?
>>153378693American Shonen Jump wasn't a weekly print magazine either. Being a huge country makes physical distribution difficult. These Japanese anthology magazines were designed to be read while people were on the subway/train and thrown in the recycling afterwards. While there are certainly people in the U.S. who do similar commutes, it's nowhere near as ubiquitous and even in Japan, it's been supplanted by the computer in everyone's pocket.
>>153377784>published a booklet every weekMarvel and DC's staff are far too lazy for that.
>>153378992>just do a monthly reprint of content that comes out weekly???
>>153378146That's a very corporate and non-artistic way of looking at things. It's also doesn't seem very unique since most publishers will cancel unsuccessful titles
>>153379082Yeah, that's why nearly all of the titles in U.S. Shonen Jump did not finish their run in the magazine. It was literally just Sand Land (a short series) and parts of OG Yu-Gi-Oh!. They were releasing 1/4 of the content. U.S. Shonen Jump was basically a sampler/ad for the collected releases with the occasional Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG promo.
>>153377784They did. My dad used to buy me this from Kroger in like 2000.
>>153379159WSJ is a business, not an orphanage for untalented creators to endlessly publish rubbish that nobody buys
>>153377784It would flop and already did. What manga fans don't want to admit is that SJ is actually a shit distribution method.
>>153379159it's the way a business, meritocracy, and capitalism is supposed to work. The only real complaint is when people don't appreciate good series and they get axed
>>153377784The US has had many anthologies and magazines for comics in it's history some successful, others not. I don't think a new magazine in 2026+ is going to save anything. DC did it a few years ago and it didn't matter. It's more about distribution, format, and price and just copying a model that only works in Japan doesn't seem to solve anything
>>153379186>they didn't complete their run>this is what comics needWhat?
>>153379247Or the other complaint where bad stories becomes popular despite being shit. Which is most of Shonen Jump. And Marvel and DC.
>>153377784Does this count
>>153379277Just because your tastes are not that of the majority, does not make you superior. Infact it likely means you have shit taste.
>>153379361Lol, everything popular and financially successful is automatically good art, I see.
>>153379402Define good art
>>153379312What ever happened to this shits
>>153379448Seems like it was quietly killed in 2020, Covid probably didn't help.
>>153379429There are some universal standards quality in most forms but in general It's very subjective, which is the issue with treating art like a business and financial success or failure as the sole measure of quality. Something can be successful for any number of reasons, can fail in one format and excel in another, be more or less successful in a different era of time. Things once very successful can be seen as quite shit in later years, like Rick and Morty, Joss Whedon, or Naruto, or Bendis. Many of the most successful things are like that because they are bland, middle of the road, and inoffensive for their time, like the MCU. It's all why applying pure financial business logic to any piece of art is a dumb idea and is intact a big part why movies and tv and most art and entertainment is so shit right now.
>>153379312It seems comic book stores really didn't like these being exclusive to Walmart
>>153379159>>153379247I mean, not like you have to be DBZ tier levels of popularity to make it.You can have a modest success with a dedicated group of buyers/readers and tell a satisfying story. There have been many many cases of fans grouping together to buy volumes and stuff to keep their manga afloat, including westeners.
>>153378004Anon, Monthly Shonen Jump lasted from 2003 to around 2009. I'd kind of call that a good while
