>>153383105
>she killed your fucking kid without your consent.
The fuck? Mark is not the one who was pregnant. There is no matter of consent, there.

What sort of retardation pushes people like OP to spam these threads on /co/

>>153383129
complete lack of non-electronic stimulation and face-to-face social interaction

>>153383126
>>153383129
Be gone foids, your opinions are worthless.

It’s a story and Mark isn’t. This is some MovieSins level complaints.

Do culture warriors really think people are being swayed one way or the other on this topic from a fucking cartoon?

>>153383311
People are more racist, divided, anti-LGBTQ than ever and its entirely due to one side pushing a demonic narrative and helping to destroy the nuclear family dynamic. If they weren't then the Orange Dude wouldn't be in office through fair and legal means. Of course you're gonna see people push back against this just like how they're pushing back against browns and other dysgenics.

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She did nothing wrong

>>153383336
You could just watch shows that don't piss you off instead of making dozens of threads.
I'm sure you can find something you'll like on the Daily Wire's streaming service.

Kirkman is a dumb shock jock, but hat's how things are.

>>153383354
Hatewatching is kino.

>>153383398
>hat's

>>153383398
Sounds about as fun as punching yourself in the balls for 45 minutes.
I watched Bus Boys with Theo Von last week and just wanted to leave so badly.

Real talk, would you be willing to raise Eve's kid?

>>153383470
will does not excuse Nolan's education failure

>>153383105
Get over it. Kirkman is a massive hack, but its how its gotta be.

Also Rudy's chimpout doesn't work if they have a child early

>>153383126
The baby literally only exists because consented to having sex. She understood the risks that came with it and Mark deserved to have a say in the pregnancy as he is the father. It takes two to tango, just because the woman is carrying the child doesn't make it less his.

>>153383105
So wait, little miss omnipotent super genius didn't think about using her powers to tie her tubes, before fucking?

>>153384404
He's not the one who's going to be physically damaged or die if anything goes wrong with the pregnancy/birth

>>153384427
1. How often do you think that happens because it's far less fucking common than you think
2. She can manipulate fucking matter and her body literally saved itself from being disemboweled. This argument has no bearing with Eve

>>153384427
Right, women should stop getting pregnant at all then.

>>153384450
The writer is a hack who wanted cheap drama

>>153384469
Why don’t we just force all men to get their tubes tied when they start getting boners. And they’re not allowed to reverse it until they’re married and purposefully wish to have children. Problem solved.

>>153384492
Or maybe we can expect people to be fucking responsible with their sex lives? Also why the fuck are you blaming men specifically when women are the gatekeepers of sex? Also Men don't get their tubes tied that's women you dumbass. Of course the pro abortionist has no fucking understanding of reproduction.

Mark wasn’t nutting in her with the expectation of having a kid anyway. You can argue that’s stupid, but most sex-havers aren’t fucking with the real consequence of a baby happening being tangible.
Mark has no hope or expectations of being a dad at the moment, so losing a possible baby isn’t something he’s thinking of.

>>153384531
>most sex-havers aren’t fucking with the real consequence of a baby happening being tangible.
That implies most people can't oversee the consequences of their own actions and, in turn, should not vote.

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Mark's semen is too strong for condoms and neither of them want to be parents just yet.

I still dislike abortions being used as an excuse for mindless fucking. Kirkman is still a retarded hack for this plot line happening at all, and making Eve's power set this broken.

>>153383105
>gf kills a baby
>blame yourself
lol what?

>>153384427
Why is abortists dying bad again? That's the point, right? Get rid of inconveniences.

>>153384518
Contraceptives aren’t 100% reliable. Accidents happen. Rape happens. Married people have abortions same way non-married people do because sometimes contraceptives, especially the female kind, can have bad side effects. Or you just have bad luck where genetics are fucked or you’re so old that it’s dangerous to have a pregnancy because of the elevated risk of things going wrong and killing you. Or you have kids already and you can’t take the financial burden of adding yet another mouth to the table.

>NO YOU HAVE TO BLAME WOMEN
No you don’t. It takes two to tango and with men it’s an easier, cheaper and entirely reversible solution. It doesn’t require continuous purchase and use of medication.

>>153383105
>fetus
>kid
nope

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>>153384581
Mark's semen made her lose her powers, forcing this idiotic scenario to happen. Everything about Eve's abortion drama is so shit that I genuinely wished there was some gay token B-plot that made it a wacky miscarriage.
>But what about Debbie?
Mark's mom is already an absurd saint. We'd be calling her a Mary Sue if she managed to help Eve with a future grandchild.

tl;dr Kirkman is a fat hack and realized Eve is too OP to seriously use in the first Viltrumite War.

>>153383129
>>153383129
9/10 times it's literally just a Psy-OP.
Do you know how many paid trollfarms and operations do paid work on this site? Russians, Israelis, Iran and Nigerians? They mostly don't believe anything they're posting but are pushing an agenda their handlers want to undermine and destabilize the west.

>>153383336
>Of course you're gonna see people push back against this just like how they're pushing back against browns and other dysgenics.
Look I know posting this putrid shit is your job but no one sane and normal believes you're even a real person when you talk like that. Don't your supervisors even read what you write, or are you just paid per (you)? Maybe don't go too hard on the sell buddy.

>>153384629
I chose to believe it
explains why we have suddenly so many fucking pearl-clutching moralists in here instead of random memes of Oliver wanting to fuck a lobster
can we go back to that please

>>153383105
why would she need his consent to get rid of a couple of cells in her own body?

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>>153384671
Nope. Kirkman was dumb enough to keep the abortion plot, so we're gonna suffer this shitposting for the next month or so.

>>153384609
>Contraceptives aren’t 100% reliable. Accidents happen
Yeah that's the risk you take having sex. You also run the risk of dying when driving a car. Life is full of risks that you take and accept. Don't want kids? Don't have sex
>Rape exists
Rape occurs for less than 1 percent of all abortions. I'm happy to compromise on this issue though but I doubt you'd be willing to illegalize voluntary abortion because the rape issue actually doesn't matter to you, just being able to have Abortion legal.
>Married people have abortions same way non-married people do because
And they shouldn't. Married people also cheat on each other, that doesn't make it magically okay.
>Or you just have bad luck where genetics
Yet another rarity that make up less than 1% of pregnancies. Stop bringing up exceptions unless you're willing to compromise.
>can’t take the financial burden
You might as well force abortions on anyone under a certain annual income then. Stupid argument, always has been.
>Hur dur you're blaming women
No I'm saying women have to share the blame. At the end of the day a woman is who has all the power when it comes to whether or not they have sex and yes that means the creation of the baby is a great deal of their responsibility. But I'll gladly accept ythe forced marriage of men to women they knock up because they need to take responsibility for their actions as well.

>>153383129
The failed abortion recognizes itself

>>153384673
Bait.

If your GF ever aborts your kid, dump her.

>>153384561
Anon, I’ve got some bad news for you…

>>153384725
>Don’t have sex
Or get an abortion.

>>153383105
Mark didn’t want to be a father yet anyway

So you get drafted to the frontlines of war. There's a very high chance of you not returning home. Are you really going to be mad that your girlfriend (not wife) aborted your child? Especially since Mark and Nolan would have 100% died if not for Thragg's mercy.

>>153383470
If it means I get to spend eternity with an immortal goddess who can rebuild my body to suit her whims? Yes.

>>153384492
You know a vasectomy is only "reversible" for like a year or two, right? Patency rate at 3 years is already down to 80% and drops exponentially from there.

>>153383470
I'm an not opposed to adoption, though I would like to ensure having a biological kid first, I don't want my line to end
Afterwards I'm willing to consider adoptions.

>>153384564
>plot line
Can it even be called that? It's brought up at the end of one issue, and then the issue immediately following that Eve says she doesn't want to bring it up again and then it's never brought up again for the rest of the comic.

Gohan wins again. What's the score? 9,000 - 0?

>>153385508
If he dies, then have the kid to continue his line. Why let it die with him?

>>153385508
>Are you really going to be mad that your girlfriend (not wife) aborted your child?
Yes?
What the fuck? I go to war to protect my home and meanwhile my wife is killing what I wanted to protect? My bloodline ended? What was I even fighting for?

I'm leaving her INSTANTLY, and never speaking to her again. In a just world, I would be allowed to charge her with murder too.

>>153384492
or you could just take responsibility for your actions, but we all know that's impossible for women, which is exactly why women shouldn't have rights

>>153383105
What if he didn't want it either. And why do you make it sound like he has sole ownership?

>>153384609
>Contraceptives aren’t 100% reliable
This is a lie repeated very often
It's true, a condom can break, but it's extremely easy to check after sex if it broke and go buy the day after pill, which acts BEFORE conception and is therefore NOT an abortion

If you are careful, it's virtually impossible for both the condom to break and the pill to fail, we are looking at a 0.000000001% chance scenario, not a SINGLE woman who aborted in history had both the condom break, and then the pill fail.

Liteally just don't be a retard.

>>153385862
>like he has sole ownership
Saying Eve doesn't have full ownership isn't saying he has full ownership you dumb hole

>>153385850
There was a study done where both men and women were shown 2 athletes. The first one injured his leg and couldn't continue the competition. The second was cheating and also injured his leg, disqualifying him too. All the guys felt bad for the first guy and not the second guy, while the women felt bad for both. They're not good judges of character.

>>153385902
Just take the pill anyway. Even if the condom doesn't break. Better to be safe than sorry.

>>153385902
Not only this. Most people using contraceptives that somehow still get pregnant are ones that actively fuck up using the contraceptives in the first place. Missing a single fucking pill can ruin birth control's effectiveness and men being too stupid or too selfish to wear a rubber even when their girlfriend is one birth control is a problem as well. Hell you can still pull out when using contraceptives to help your chances even more. Any idiot claiming contraceptives aren't effective is either stupid or lazy. Nothing is stopping people from using multiple layers of contraceptives. Abortion is always just an excuse to not be responsible for your own actions.

>>153385939
The pill fucks up the woman, it's an hormonal bomb that basically forces her to expel the eggs before time, if you and your gf have sex every day she will be essentially doing self harm and fucking up her own ovaries permanently. It's better to just check the condom and only use it if you see it's leaking (which, if you put the condom on correctly, is already a miniscule chance scenario)

>>153385923
How badly injured? Cheating at sports isn't a kneecapping offence. Was a study done, or are you making it up? How did they determine whether the respondents actually felt bad or not, besides self-reporting?

>>153385996
>How badly injured?
Bad enough to not continue.
>Cheating at sports isn't a kneecapping offence.
What?
>Was a study done, or are you making it up?
It was done.
>How did they determine whether the respondents actually felt bad or not, besides self-reporting?
By asking them.

>>153385994
Your mistake, anon, is in thinking these guys have gfs.

>>153384622
>Mark's mom is already an absurd saint. We'd be calling her a Mary Sue if she managed to help Eve with a future grandchild.
Nah, her being able to raise 3 of these tards would probably just get her portrayed as superhuman daycare by Fandom. Like a piccolo who can't fight.

>>153385975
>Abortion is always just an excuse to not be responsible for your own actions.
Regardless of the efficacy of birth control, consider this alternative: if you fucked up because you were stupid and horny that is not an excuse to bring a child into the world who is then going to be attached to your irresponsible ass.

>>153386063
>if you fucked up because you were stupid and horny that is not an excuse to bring a child into the world who is then going to be attached to your irresponsible ass.
It doesn't apply to Eve since she has all the support she could have and more.

>>153386033
>What?
I would feel bad for someone who crippled themselves even if they were trying to cheat at the time.
>It was done.
Cool, but was it? Because there's an easy way to show it was and for some reason that wasn't your first response.
>By asking them
That's what self-reporting is, yeah

>>153386063
>that is not an excuse to bring a child into the world
I'm sorry but being born is not some crime that needs excusing, yes, he will have retarded parents, plenty of people do. If he really wants to kill himself, he will do it later, but there is no reason to deny him a chance to live.

>>153385742
Doesn't seem like you loved her that much if thats the case lol

>>153386097
The CHILD doesn't. Jesus, I hope you never breed. You'd be one of those parents who buy the kid expensive presents on your custody days.

>>153386142
Cope

>>153386141
>deny him a chance to live
How many times have you nutted into a tissue, anon? You've killed BILLIONS, don't whine about it now.

>>153386141
>people should suffer because they can always kill themselves if the suffering is too much later on.
wait, isn't suicide also a mortal sin?

>>153386202
A sperm is not a human
It doesn't have the genetic material to develop into a human, it never will. Human life begins at conception, at no point before or after conception you can choose a moment where human life begins, it's the only reasonable cutoff.
>>153386213
>people should suffer
No, hopefully the kid doesn't, I'm talking about the worst possible case scenario. I'm not that pessimistic, most people of stupid parents do ok and don't regret being alive.
>wait, isn't suicide also a mortal sin?
Not a christian, take it up with them

>>153384404
>The baby literally only exists because consented to having sex
Yeah, that's conception. We are talking about abortion.
>>153383152
I'm not even a woman.

>>153386063
>if you fucked up because you were stupid and horny that is not an excuse to bring a child into the world
This has the same exact feel as
>if you fucked up because you were stupid and drunk that is not an excuse to be arrested for drunk driving

Yet another excuse to not take on responsibility for your actions.

>>153386166
>The CHILD doesn't.
Yes it does. It's Mark's son. A viltrumite 100% on their side.

>>153384450
>2. She can manipulate fucking matter and her body literally saved itself from being disemboweled.
Only when it's brought to the extreme and her power have been malfuctionning the whole time.

Nothing you are saying is an argument for mark having to give his authorisation to abort.

>>153386262
Abortion only exists because of conception you dumb faggot. They are literally inseparable. Don't act like abortion isn't so concept dependent on people not taking responsibility for their actions in regards to sex.

>>153386202
>Sperm is the same as babies
I swear pro abortion arguments ALWAYS rely on people not understanding biology.

>>153383336
People dislike the nuclear family because it’s to small or isolating

>>153386352
Bullshit. You don't need alot of people to be happy.

>>153386252
>Human life begins at conception, at no point before or after conception you can choose a moment where human life begins, it's the only reasonable cutoff.
I can't say I'm particularly interested in your fairy logic or apparent inability to cope with the concept of incremental growth when I compare it to actual dead babies, dead mothers and neglected children. Think I'll stay where I am on this one.

>>153386252
>>153386345
What makes one human life and the other not human? Both have human DNA.
What makes human life valuable?

>>153386252
>most people of stupid parents do ok and don't regret being alive.
the suicide rate today is the highest it's been since the great depression.

>>153386360
Noy necessarily. There’s even people happy without families. but if we don’t connect with our neighbors and broader family we lose support systems.

>>153386374
1. Sperm only contains 23 chromosomes. It literally is only half of the DNA sequence necessary to be Human
2. Sperm by itself can not gestate or grow. This is like saying that you can't cut your hair because it is human
3. If you aren't willing to give Human Life value in and of itself then you are conceding that Human life can be snuffed out without any sort of moa quandary and that there is no issue with killing people who are deemed valueless like the homeless or retards like you.

>>153386118
I remembered it wrong. This is the study. They were pretty in-depth.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2006/jan/19/research.highereducation
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/study-men-enjoy-seeing-bad-people-suffer/83-403461292

This is relevant to the threads topic; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Defense_of_Abortion

It’s an essay that talks about arguments for abortion that aren’t tied to the personhood of the fetus.

>>153386360
You might not need a lot of people, but it certainly helps and "not enough people" is certainly a huge contributor to mass unhappiness. I'm a misanthrope, I'll pass, but even I can see it.

>>153386376
That's not because people are having kids or being forced to raise them. Quite the opposite actually. The rates have skyrocketed after child raising rates plummeted.

>>153384404
She literally said that they were using protection

>>153386395
You can still have a nuclear family and be good with your neighbors. That's part of the deal of a nuclear family is to be a good neighbor and they be good to you.

>>153384492
>HEY I COULD GET HURT DOING THE THING THAT HAS PROPOGATED OUR RACE SINCE ITS BIRTH.
>Oh, but the guy can get invasive surgery instead so I can whore myself around without concern?

The woman will do literally anything, jump through any mental hurdle to avoid having actual agency in her actions. Why do you think so many desire nothing more then to have both government and men protect them from their own reckless choices?

>>153386417
Is cancer human? Are skin cells human?
Cancer grows with a host. Both can grow independently in a lab environment.

>>153383129
Being a turd skin obsessed with honor culture slop

>>153386439
Okay? What's your point.
Cars have seatbelts.
That doesn't magically stop car accidents.

>>153386301
Retarded take. We punish those who fucked up and drove around drunk to make sure they don't do it again. There is no reason to try and force people who fucked up to raised fucked up children that will be a negative societal asset.

>>153383126
Fpbp

>>153386438
Too many women got told to ruin themselves making them undesirable to most men. Too many men got told they don't matter.

>>153386252
>>153386417
Is IVF murder?

>>153386443
Ok so who’s against that definition of nuclear family?

>>153386447
I don't think it's smart to rip your skin off just to try and prove a point about skin being human. But go ahead. See if it grows into a whole new being. You can try it with the tumor as well. They won't become a seperate being the way a fetus does.

>>153386454
The point is that they clearly were NOT ready to deal with the risk of having a baby yet

>>153386345
>>153386417
There's no self-consistent argument for making a moral distinction between a sperm or egg cell and a zygote. A zygote or embryo can't gestate by itself either. If it's a faith thing for you, that a holy spirit enters at some particular point, just own that. If it's not, resign yourself to feeling uncomfortable about it.

>>153386376
And most people still don't kill themselves
>>153386374
>What makes one human life and the other not human? Both have human DNA
No, the sperm only has part of the required dna. It literally can never be a human.
That's like saying since both humans and rocks contain protons, neutrons, and electrons, both are human.
>>153386447
Cancer can never be human either
Cancer can grow into a bigger cancer, it's not a human, it's a cancer. It has similar cells but its not the same entity.
>>153386367
> fairy logic
It's pretty sound: at conception all the genetic material is there and it starts growing into what will become a baby out of the womb: the fetus is a human life in its first moments in this world.
> incremental growth
Incremental growth doesn't mean you can simply not present a point where human life begin
When does the incremental growth reach human life? What's the different between x-1 days and x+1 days? What's the difference between inside and outside the womb is not a difference of location? Unless you can provide a clear, definitive answer and prove the difference between a moment before and a moment after, you do not have a reasonable theory of human life, and it definetly cannot be applied to law.

Every Mark does Goku does x10 yet his wife never aborted a child or even moved on to another man. Makes you think.

>>153386458
>We punish those who fucked up
>There is no reason to try and force people who fucked up
Anon you said these two contradictory phrases one after the other. Learn what hypocrisy is before trying to rationalize it.

>>153386471
No, why would it be? It's murder if someone smashes the embryo into the ground, but otherwise where would the murder be?
Mind you, I still think it's unnatural and I see little reason to do it, but I wouldn't call it murder.

>>153386493
>The point is that they clearly were NOT ready to deal with the risk of having a baby yet
You're applying realism to a situation that doesn't work with it. She and the kid have all the support they can have. She's a superhero carrying a Viltrumite. Use the brain.

>>153386500
>A zygote or embryo can't gestate by itself either
It literally does. Just because it requires nutrients from a placenta doesn't change the fact that it gestates while an egg and spwrm left alone will not do anything. Or did your sperm magically become fetuses in your testicles?

>>153386423
Ta, I will read up later.

>>153386500
>A zygote or embryo can't gestate by itself
A baby cannot survive without their parents feeding them either, that's an irrelevant argument
Since conception, the genetic material is there and starts growing, human life has begun.
The sperm doesn't have the genetic material and doesn't grow into a human, there is a clear moral distinction.

>>153386493
Then don't have sex.
Boom that fucking simple.
You know the risks
Don't take them.

>>153386503
Retard

>>153386502
Oh, as a LEGAL argument I don't think it matters. Law is for practical purposes, the number of people voluntarily carrying a baby around until late term and then deciding to abort for non-medical reasons is trivial, the dangers of restricting it are worse, and I don't really give a shit about any early embryo, so fuck it, free abortions for all. I'm just pointing out that, intellectually, your reasoning doesn't work. Whether the "genetic material" is all there or not is an obvious blind, as that other anon remarked. So is that it just "starts growing", as if it doesn't need nine months of incubation. So there's some other reason.

>>153386521
>Financial estability =/= Mental and emotional estability
It's one thing for them to be able to make sure the child is feed and it's another completely different that they feel actually capable of raising it properly, one of them is a college dropout that lives with his mom who barely has time for anything that isn't punching bad guys and getting beat up, and the other is a girl who lives with her shitty parents, goes to college and is in the exact same busy and dangerous job as her boyfriend

>>153386520
There's fertilized embryos that are left unused afterwards, and the implantation of the fertilized embryo doesn't always take.

>>153386680
NTA but Those left behind are certainly murder in my book. Which is why IVF should limit the amount of eggs they fertilize when they are harvested or at lwast offer the ferilized eggs to other infertile couples. The other situation is a miscarriage which is a natural process and sad loss of human life but not murder. If a child drown's it isn't murder regardless of how awful a situation it is.

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>>153386425
there are levels of abortion here.

>>153386644
As moral argument you are still unable to pinpoint where life begins, in contrast I can. That is why you have *no* argument and have to resort to "and I don't really give a shit"
Good, but that's not the point

> intellectually, your reasoning doesn't work
Well you have failed to disprove it considering your arugment is "I don't give a shit"

>as if it doesn't need nine months of incubation
>Hurr durr why don't humans lay eggs?
And? A baby needs years of being provided for. Being dependant on the parent is absolutely not a factor in this. Yes, the fetus needs the mother. That's the point, that's why we don't lay eggs and instead gestate babies in the womb. Biologically, more complex beings can come out of the womb than eggs.
It's why all the smartest animals, whales, orcas, elephants etc gestate in the womb instead of eggs. It's part of what makes them human.


The day abortion means taking the fetus and putting him in an artificial incubator instead of meaning crushing his skull and killing him, I will be pro free abortion for everyone. Until that day, you all are psychopathic murderers.

>>153386680
>that are left unused afterwards
If that's what you are referring to, yes, if they will never be used and left frozen until they naturally expire, it's murder. Every single one of them should get their chance.

>>153386527
The mother gestates, formally speaking. With the obvious implications - left alone a zygote won't do anything. It's not a viable line of argument, I'm sorry, and to be frank I don't believe it's other than rationalisation. You can't have started with this ridiculous distinction and reached your opinion from there, it has to be the other way around.

>>153386722
>t's part of what makes them human
Us*
Obviously I'm not claiming orcas are humans kek

For more info about how IVF related to abortion:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/the-alabama-supreme-courts-ruling-on-frozen-embryos
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/16/1238966404/how-ivf-is-complicating-republicans-abortion-messaging
>After nearly 50 years of being developed, practiced, and refined based on the best available research and evidence, standard IVF protocols today aim to create multiple embryos per cycle. That is because only about 70% of retrieved mature eggs end up fertilizing, and of those that do fertilize, only half go on to develop into an embryo. After an embryo is transferred into a person’s uterus, it may or may not implant in the uterine lining.
https://reproductiverights.org/resources/ivf-under-attack-fact-sheet/

>>153386755
Anon the same arguement can be made for infants outside the womb.
Without assistance from a care taker they will do nothing and die. That's the problem with your line of reasoning as it then has to apply to so many other individuals and situations that society already dictates has morally and logically wrong.

>>153386486
>I don't think it's smart to rip your skin off just to try and prove a point about skin being human. But go ahead. See if it grows into a whole new being. You can try it with the tumor as well. They won't become a seperate being the way a fetus does.
They don't just rip it off. It's grown in a lab in a special way. It's become separate from the original person it was taken off.
>>153386502
>Cancer can never be human either
>Cancer can grow into a bigger cancer, it's not a human, it's a cancer. It has similar cells but its not the same entity.
So what makes someone human or not human? If human DNA and the capacity for independant existence isn't enough.

>>153386825
>If human DNA and the capacity for independant existence isn't enough.
I've already stated several times that the fetus will grow into a human like you and me, while the cancer will not
It's pretty self evident what the difference is.

>>153386825
Cool, does it grow into a seperate human or does it just remain skin cells that have the same DNA as the individual it was taken from? Oh it doesn't become a genetically unique human or grow into one? Okay then shut the fuck up.

>>153386755
Wow, you sure seem like you've convinced yourself. Congratulations, most people doubt themselves when they're wrong, but not (you).

>>153386542
>>153386801
You can take a newborn from it's parents and give it to another parents and it will survive.

While IVF is a thing, We can't really do the same for the later stage of fetuses (even with modern technology).

>>153386877
The cancer's DNA will be notably different in time from the original person.

Even skincells change DNA: https://news.yale.edu/2012/11/18/skin-cells-reveal-dna-s-genetic-mosaic

>>153386856
>I've already stated several times that the fetus will grow into a human like you and me, while the cancer will not
Could you specify what's the relevant difference between the two?

>>153386722
You've mistaken the fact that I don't really give a shit as being relevant to my argument. What it is is that I reject your premise. It's neither possible nor necessary to pinpoint where "life", for whatever moral concept of it you seem to hold, "begins". That we require live birth is a non-sequitur (and not fully accurate BTW, there are some smart birds). It's not really incumbent on me to disprove your reasoning, I mentioned two ways it didn't make sense and you made no cogent response. If you don't want to back it up, no skin off my nose.

>>153386938
What, between a human and a non human?
Between growing into a sentient being or a bigger slab of meat? Seems to me like these are two objectively, measurably different forms of life, unless you can point to me which part of the cancer hosts its brain.

I think I'm different from a cancer, but clearly that's not the case for you, since you seem to think there is no difference between yourself and a cancer apparently.

If your argument is "human life is just as worthless as a cancer", you could start by proving your point by killing yourself. Unless you do, I'll assume you are perfectly aware human life and a cancer have a moral difference and just don't want to admit it.

>>153386897
>You can take a newborn away
Irrelevant
The child still requires the assistance of others to live. If their is no moral justification to protect the unborn because they are not capable of survive unassisted then the same holds true for infants dependent on others outside the womb or those in need of medical care to remain alive.

>>153386801
>Anon the same arguement can be made for infants outside the womb.
It could! But that's still not a valid distinction between a zygote and an egg. Do you get where I'm coming from? It's not a real argument.

>>153387042
>But that's still not a valid distinction between a zygote and an egg.
You mean the egg that can never grow into a seperate human under any circumstance apart from the introduction of sperm? A completely seperate thing? Compared to the Zygote which if left to its natural devices will attach to a uterine wall and begin naturally gestating? Are you really too fucking stupid to recognize the clear difference between the two?

>>153385494
It's not about what Mark want or what Eve want. It's about what I want

>>153386959
>I mentioned two ways it didn't make sense
Nope, you said it wasn't possible to point at the beginning of life without explaining why, this by itself is a faulty refutation, because the implication of this argument is that life does not exist, as it doesn't begin at any point in time, and death doesn't exist either, as it would require life.
Your refutation is completely absurd, it doesn't even begin to make sense, and as such it doesn't disprove my argument in any way. Either you can prove to me life begins after conception, or you are conceding it's already a human life after conception. A third option does not exist, it's either one of these two.
>That we require live birth is a non-sequitur
My argument was not simply that, you dishonest twat, I was disproving your "the fetus requires help" argument, which was in itself, the non sequitur that didn't prove or disprove anyhting that was being said.
> you made no cogent response
There can be no reasonable response to nonsense anon, when an argument doesn't even begin to use logic, like yours, it becomes an uphill battle to logically refute.

You have no argument, you cannot point at when life begins, you in fact claim we CANNOT pinpoint where life begin. As such, you yourself admit to not knowing anything, but we are not all like you, some of us are smart enough to know things and reason them out, which is why this is all so confusing to you.

>>153386998
>Between growing into a sentient being or a bigger slab of meat?
Does the potential to become sentient carry the same moral weight as currently having sentience?

>>153387078
The zygote left to its "natural devices" requires rather a lot more TLC than just nutting on it, yes.

>>153386722
>The day abortion means taking the fetus and putting him in an artificial incubator instead of meaning crushing his skull and killing him, I
Not how most abortion is done.

>>153383105
wasn't the child absorved by power on accident?

>>153387103
>the implication of this argument is that life does not exist, as it doesn't begin at any point in time, and death doesn't exist either, as it would require life.
You've become too philosophical for me, anon-sama, I must concede

>>153387112
Explain why it wouldn't.

>>153387164
Nta but is asking a basic ass question of when life begins really that fucking philosophical? Seems pretty fucking cut and dry.

>>153387112
I can shoot you in your sleep, is it murder? You aren't proving your sentience to me as you sleep

Ultimately, it's about responsability.
Assuming non rape, two consenting adults created human life and are now denying it the chance at achieving its deserve spot outsife the womb because of petty irresponsability.

Is the value of the embryo THE SAME as a born human baby? Maybe not, but it's definetly still murder to kill it. I don't have to prove the fetus has the same value, I only have to prove it has enough value, and my point will be proven correct.

>>153387170
You're the one who said it has moral weight. You should give an argument for why.

>>153387133
Most abortion is done spontaneously, in fact. Usually without the mother noticing. By life-at-conception rules, most people die before they're born.

>>153387196
>I can shoot you in your sleep, is it murder? You aren't proving your sentience to me as you sleep
a sleeping person has sentience and awareness. They have brain function.
This is testable. You put them in an MRI, you can measure it.

not the same for an embryo or a fetus before a certain point

>>153387205
I'm not that anon. I'm asking you why the potential to gain sentiences doesn't carry the same weight as already having it. If you are pro abortion then you must believe potential carrys no moral weight so explain why.

>>153387231
>not the same for an embryo or a fetus before a certain point
An embryo has detectable brainwaves at 6 weeks. Would you concede that any abortion after this point is akin to killing a sleeping person?

>>153387236
>If you are pro abortion then you must believe potential carrys no moral weight so explain why.


Not necessarily. There's arguments that don't involve that: >>153386425

>>153387247
not the same a sleeping person. at 24/25 weeks it would be more like that: https://www.acog.org/advocacy/facts-are-important/gestational-development-capacity-for-pain

A child can be born premature at 6 months and survive. That number's gonna go down with every advancement medicine gets.

>>153387231
I guess we could argue about what sentience is, when it begins, etc etc, but I already decided to allow room for your point:
Maybe it's not THE SAME as a born human, but that doesn't make it worthless and free for you to take when you irresoponsably put together the material of a human, and said human is now growing inside a womb.

>>153387236
>I'm not that anon. I'm asking you why the potential to gain sentiences doesn't carry the same weight as already having it.
Does an uncooked ball of dough carry the same value as a freshly baked loaf of bread?

>>153387273
Anon the embryo is thinking. It is creating even the most rudimentary thoughts and reacting to external stimuli at 6 weeks. The comparison is apt. You are shifting goalposts so you can ignore that a fetus is cognitive much ealey than you'd like to admit.

>>153387287
That's why the future is evictionism, which right now cannot be justified but eventually will be a simple and clear cut solution to the issue as a whole

>>153383105
So "killing your kid" is ok if both parents consent?

>>153387309
>It is creating even the most rudimentary thoughts and reacting to external stimuli at 6 weeks.
Source?

>>153387295
You've never bought dough from a store have you? It's usually more expensive. But maybe you could actually answer the question instead of posturing another.

>>153387295
>Does an uncooked ball of dough carry the same value as a freshly baked loaf of bread?
No, but I would get punished as a thief or vandal for stealing or damaging either, because even if they have different value, both have enough value.

>>153387194
Whether it's cut and dry was the point of disagreement. He seems to think yes, and that it's morally imperative it be. I think it's not, and that it's physically impossible to make it be. We were obviously getting no traction.

>>153387322
https://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit7.php

>>153387236
>I'm not that anon. I'm asking you why the potential to gain sentiences doesn't carry the same weight as already having it.

Do we apply that to other areas? Do we put everyone in prison because they have the potential to commit murder?

Why doesn't it apply to using condoms? You are preventing the sperm and egg from having a chance to gain future sentience?

>>153387355
Bugs and worms have brainwaves too. Where does the source mention that 6 week old embryos have rudimentary thoughts?

>>153387378
Sperm and Egg will not gain sentience independently.

>>153387392
Brainwaves indicate thought dumbass. Granted I'm sure you don't register any yourself

>>153387393
>Sperm and Egg will not gain sentience independently.
Could you specifiy what makes one dependent and the other independent?

>>153387414
>Brainwaves indicate thought
So are worms and bugs sentient?

>>153387415
The fact the zygote will grow in the proper conditions into a seperate human while an egg or sperm will never do so independent of one another. Same as how your hair will not continue to grow when cut from your head

holy fuck you guys are retarded it's a FUCKING COMIC BOOK

KILL YOURSELVES

>>153387435
Yes
>Hur dur why don't they have value?
Because they aren't human

>>153387445
>The fact the zygote will grow in the proper conditions into a seperate human while an egg or sperm will never do so independent of one another.
The zygote is dependant on the womb. It's not really independant either.
The egg will also grow into a person in the proper conditions, presence and interaction with proper sperm.

>>153387467
Nta but no, it's not that simple
Worms don't have self awareness or complex thought. An alien race as smart as us would also be immoral for us to kill, because even if they are not human, they have self awareness, they have complex thought, they are not biological machines like animals.

>>153387445
Your hair is dead when it extrudes from your body, but you can keep a tissue sample alive under the proper conditions. Proper conditions for a zygote are nine months in a healthy human body and I yearn for someone to explain to me why this is not a big deal but having sex is.

>>153387414
>Brainwaves indicate thought dumbass
Source? Does that mean two neurons in a petri dish are capable of thought?

Everything i can find says that fetuses become concious at some point after 20 weeks.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25160864/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-do-babies-become-conscious/

>>153387514
>this is not a big deal but having sex is
Having sex is a conscious choice that has consequences befitting it being a conscious choice
>>153387482
>and interaction with proper sperm
So, when it's genetics are altered by doubling genetic material thus becoming a new, different being

>>153387499
>biological machines like animals
Stay away from my pets, anon. I will fuck you up.

>>153387546
>So, when it's genetics are altered by doubling genetic material thus becoming a new, different being
Why does that matter?

Does that mean killing someone who has a clone or a twin isn't immoral?

>>153387552
I may have exaggerated to drive the point home, I do think killing animals for no reason is also bad, I just want to make clear a smart alien is not an animal even if he's not human.
I have pets, and would never hurt them, they have feelings and I don't enjoy their pain. But it's obviously a lesse crime than killing a human being, who has advanced thought.

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you're all fucking nerds and losers who have no chance of impregnating a woman to begin with so why are you arguing about abortion

>>153387546
>Having sex is a conscious choice that has consequences befitting it being a conscious choice
I wish you would have the courage of your convictions rather than this feeble apologia.

>>153387571
>Does that mean killing someone who has a clone or a twin isn't immoral?
I genuinely do not see what's the line of reasoning here
Why would it mean that at all
The twins are both of the human variety, like the fetush
The unfertilized egg is not, it doesn't have the material to be either of them, it's a completely different being.
And before we return to the stupid cancer example, yes, the cancer has similar material, but it's a different being for different reasons.

>>153387602
Cope

>>153387627
Ok, so
>>153387571
>>So, when it's genetics are altered by doubling genetic material thus becoming a new, different being
>Why does that matter?

What's the moral significance of the DNA being changed?

>>153387654
>What's the moral significance of the DNA being changed?
That it is now human

>>153387642
this thread isn't even about Invincible anymore

I can't help but notice that the pro abort side keeps trying to poke hole on the definition of human life using all kind of exceptions, examples, etc.
However, they refuse to offer their own definition of human life, as they can produce nothing better than the one they are trying to poke holes into.

Tell me again why women deserve rights when their sole goal throughout history has been to kill their own children?

>>153387683
>>153387692
Given that mark isn't fully human either, why should that matter?

>>153385567
You mean Goku. Gohan was on Earth when Pan was born.

>>153387744
Because the same reason we apply morality to fellow humans (higher level of sentience and intelligence) above animals, also courteously extend to aliens wiht a similar or superior level of intelligence, such as viltrumites, unopans, etc. It's wrong to kill them too. >>153387499 >>153387596

>>153387734
That's because they have to dehumanize the fetus so that they can dodge the definition of murder.

>>153387683
>>153387781
a fertilized egg is not sentient either.

seeing how her mom turned out I wouldn't want to get pregnant either

>Women back then
"I will sacrifice my child for a bountiful future for my community."
>Women now
"I will sacrifice my child for MY future!"

Anyone else find it weird women will legitimately say it’s not a husbands place to even have an opinion on whether she abort their baby (and that it’s fine if she never even tells him she was pregnant)

But there’s countless common stories of women flipping the fuck out over finding out a guy they married has a vasectomy or got one later on?

Isn’t it his body, his choice? It doesn’t affect her

>>153387804
Again? It will become a sentient human or a sentient viltrumite, or whatever
He is a member of a sentient species, developing in its first moment of life.
But I refuse to argue any further until YOU offer a proper definition of human life and why murder is wrong, because so far this has just been you trying to poke holes without doing the courtesy of offering your own thesis, and that's hardly fair.

>>153387835
Women are naturally power-hungry whores; you have to get permission from them personally to do anything, especially denying them access to your cock, balls, and sperm. Deny a horny woman sex and see how vile she will show herself to be.

>>153387734
You're misunderstanding the disagreement. You want a rigid definition of human life. Others think that's both stupid and impossible.

>>153383105
Her powers are essentially "I can do anything with atoms" right? Couldn't she have accelerated the pregnancy process or physically pull the baby out and make it a test tube baby instead of just coat hangering it?

>>153387835
I have never heard a story about a woman throwing a fit over a vasectomy, unless the woman cheated.

>>153387857
>>153387546
I'm still waiting for an explanation of why preventing sperm from reaching an egg is ok

>>153387872
You want a fluid definition so you can manipulate it. You people are awful.
>>153387877
Yes, but that would require thinking above the level of a retard, and all of the characters are dumber than retards.

>>153387835
I'm sure plenty of women have flipped out over vasectomies, it's a big world, but your "countless common stories" somehow never reached my ears.

>>153387877
And do what with it?
Give it to her parents? We see how they function, her father would throw a fit she got pregnant without marrying Mark first. The child would be raised safely, but that home life would be... difficult. Debbie would be better, but what right does Eve have to burden Debbie with another child to care for?
The GDA? So her child can become a weapon or soldier, the very thing she herself was made for? Even if she adopted the child out anonymously, it's only a matter of time before that child is found.
Try to raise the child herself while still fighting crime, plus everything else going on?

>>153387872
>Others think that's both stupid and impossible.
So we are left in complete moral stasis, there is no right or wrong, murder is always ok since there is no definition of life, and the 25 year old you are shooting isn't "really" alive

A coward's excuse, and a coward's excuse that doesn't work as the fact you are arguing with me trying to prove my morals wrong indicates you do believe in objectively correct and incorrect moral viewpoints, meaning this moral relativism is contraddictory at its core

If you really believe in it, then I am morally right, as everyone is.

>>153387905
Not a human
We already told you

Now offer your definition of human life or fuck off.

>>153387939
Yes. Just manipulate the atoms in her dad's brain to make him not cartoonishly hostile
Yes. If Amanda Walker (male) does anything then he'll get atomized by an angry mom.
Yes. She has bullshit powers and should just stop being dumb.

>>153387734
>However, they refuse to offer their own definition of human life
Because no matter how much people want it to be, it's not a simple question. Just as there are a half a dozen or so different points you could define as the moment that life ends there are a half a dozen or so different points you could define as the moment that life begins.

Is the status of "life" based on cellular activity? If so, then life begins conception when unique cellular mitosis and differentiation begins and does not end until individual cells start dying en masse in the minutes and hours after higher neurological, cardiac, and respiratory functions cease.
Is it based on cardiac activity? If so, then life begins when the heart stops beating and ends when it stops.
Is it based on brain activity? If so, then life begins when neurons in the brain start firing and ends when they stop.
Is it based on cortical activity? Is a person 'dead' after suffering sufficient brain damage that no cognitive function or recognition remains, even if the rest of their systems function fine? If so, then life doesn't start for several weeks or months after birth.
Etc. etc. etc.

Everyone wants abortion to be simple, just like they want every complicated issue to be simple. They want to be able to say "life starts X seconds after this" and have a clear date they can stamp as moral or immoral. People who say it's never acceptable are morons, people who say it's always acceptable are retards. The reality is that it's much more complicated and the morality or immorality of the decision needs to be approached on a case-by-case basis.

>>153388019
>Because no matter how much people want it to be, it's not a simple question
Then we should confront different thesis, and find the least contraddictory one. That one is not perfect, but it's the closest ot the truth.

But if only one side is offering a thesis and defending it, while the other side does nothing but viciously attack the concept of life, even mocking it, the discussion goes nowhere, we never get closer to the truth at all.

>People who say it's never acceptable are morons
I agree
In the case of rape, the woman has the right to evict the fetus from her body, as she owns her body and the baby is an uninvited intruder. The baby is however not guilty, the rapist threw the baby in there, and the rapist is as such guilty of murder, not the woman.

In the case the mother's risk is at severe risk, she has the right to defend herself from the entity endangering her body, even if she consensually invited the presence of said entity. In this case, nobody is guilty of anything, it's a medical complication and a sad day for everyone involved.

However, I refuse to accept abortion as legitimate when it's the result of consensual sex and the pregnancy was progressing normally and risk free, as the baby was consensually invited in the woman by the two parents, who have now the duty to take care of the baby until they can pass the guardian role to someone else (adoption after birth, or non lethal abortion when the technology gets there and solves this problem entirely)

>>153387953
But it’s a potential human. Just like a zygote.

>>153387909
The real world isn't binary, anon. I want working definitions.

>>153387941
Morality is not objective, if you understand what either of those words means. Or unless you're trying to sell me a religion. That doesn't make me a normative moral relativist: in fact, I happen to think people who believe their morality is objective are fucking dangerous and need to be dissuaded from hurting others. Small chance of that here, obviously.

>>153383105
She just had an abortion dude, don't be so autistic about it.

If it’s ok to prevent an egg from being fertilized because it only has half human dna. Then it would be ok for marks parents to have aborted him (early on) since he was only half human

>>153388106
>only one side is offering a thesis and defending it, while the other side does nothing but viciously attack the concept of life, even mocking it, the discussion goes nowhere
If this is what you believe is happening I don't know what to tell you, other than that vigorously tearing down theses is in fact how that works and the attacker is in no way, shape or form obliged to substitute their own as part of that process. This is 4chan so obviously there's a lot more cattiness and insults over it here, but even so, sack up lad.

>>153388226
>That doesn't make me a normative moral relativist
Yes it does
Either you believe in truth, or you believe in opinions
If you don't believe morality is objective, but rather a matter of opinion and perspective, you are a moral relativist.

>>153387915
>I never heard of X personally so it’s irrelevant

Ok whitey

>>153388372
I said normative moral relativist. But of course I don't believe morality, beauty, honour and so forth are objective. A rock can't be moral, it takes a brain. Only the religious can coherently claim to believe in objective morality, and even then only by hypothesising a giga-brain in charge of it all.

>>153384427
You act like Eve is a normal person, and not a character with God powers.

>>153385694
His line is like 99% super planet murderers anon.

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>>153386446
And people say Kirkman can’t write women.

>>153387602
I have a kid and my wife and I are avidly against voluntary abortion. Any retard saying only virgin incels are against abortion are outing their own lack of sex.

>>153390803
Exactly, plenty of awful cunts are married. Why I'm half cunt myself on my father's side.

>>153388162
How is it a potential human? This is like arguing that raw macaroni is the same as macaroni and cheese

>>153385521
More respect for you than most pro life people

>>153385557
What's so important about your bloodline that it has to be preserved, what benefit will you get from it?

>>153390803
do you know where you are? post your wife's feet with a timestamp and I'll believe you

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>>153383105
>she killed your fucking kid without your consent
See the problem here is that the avrage person today dosen't have that perspective.

>>153386352
It’s not you just need to push that it is because the idea of having children bothers you because you can’t have any.

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>>153387602
Because Kirkman is a hack and its funny

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>>153384404
You are dealing with psychotic culture warriors who hate the idea of people having children and children as a whole.

>>153383126
Takes two to tango, retard-kun

>>153389142
No one wants to see vapid retard women in their comics. Rudy is a gayer vapid retard than his hoe since he killed unrelated people in his crashout over getting cheated on.

>>153386142
Doesn't seem like she loved me much if she killed our fucking kid

>>153391895
I don't know about your jurisdiction or personal morality, if you have any (you seem a little dumb to have a personally developed sense of ethics), but in the Bible punching a pregnant woman in the stomach and causing a miscarriage is a fineable offence so I don't really get where all the Christfags come from on the issue.

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>>153391726
It's really gonna get a lot fucking worse before it gets better, isn't it?

>>153391924
Cecil deserved it.

>>153391980
1. You have nothing to counter the logic I presented so you have to act like I was saying that someone should do that and no presenting the idea as a logical problem. If a baby in a woman's womb is not actually a person then according to the logic of pro-abortion people causing a miscarriage should not be bad either.
2. I am not a Christian

>>153384392
he could've just had mark get back from the war earlier

>>153392771
What logic? Abortion isn't murder therefore miscarriage isn't traumatic? It's OK to hurt so long as you don't kill? Rhetorical questions, not actually interested in your opinion, as I remarked you're a bit too dumb to be interesting. I was just using you as a segue for the Christians' opinions if any wanted to offer one.

>>153392756
I can agree with that, but Rudy is still a niggerfaggot

>>153386508
so... having to give birth to the child is punishment for the woman, never takes long to show your true beliefs

>>153393116
>What logic?
The logic in the pic I posted that you need to pretend isn't there despite addressing the rhetorical question at the beginning while ignoring the rest of it.
> Rhetorical questions
Oh so you do know what a rhetorical question is which further shows you were pretending to not understand as to avoid arguing. How typical.
>as I remarked you're a bit too dumb
No thats just a bit of ad hominem you are resorting to because you cannot actually address what I said.
> I was just using you as a segue for the Christians' opinions
No you assumed I was a Christian to get a gotcha and now that that has failed you have to say this post hoc to cope.

>>153393145
Why is it so fucking hard to understand the concept of responsibility. In what other circumstance does an individual make a conscious decision to do something and isn't expected to live with the consequences of that action?

>>153393213
>ad hominem
It would be, if I said your claims were wrong because you're stupid. What I'm actually doing is refusing to even address your claims on the basis that they seem tedious.

Invitation remains open to any friendly neighbourhood christfag however.

Brb gotta turn Anissa into a rapist because all my fans like her more then my OTP where I self insert myself into getting cucked by my wife while she murders our baby after keeping it a secret and making no attempt to get a hold of me.

Eve is so much like a cartoon character and so poorly written with so little personality that you can have her say anything and it fits fine. Imagine the soup opera drama, Eve is that and nothing more. She can't be, Cuckman can't make her be, he's the author and he refuses to make changes for the better.

I mean season 1 was great but the decline was real and fast. I don't know who they fired but my god do they need to bring them back.

>>153393270
C-suite for one. But anon's right, you don't birth and raise a child to punish the parents for the "consequences of their actions", that's utterly irresponsible.

>>153383105
Why are you all pretending to be shocked by a scene everyone knew was going to happen? Abortion triggers people this hard?

>>153393466
It was badly written and season 1 made a ton of changes improving the comic. The idea that cuckman would ruin his own show seems weird to us.

>>153393466
>Abortion triggers people this hard?
Yes. Particularly Catholics and, for Reasons, Americans. Men seemingly more than women, also for Reasons.

>>153393301
>it would be, if I said your claims were wrong because you're stupid
Which is effectively what you did by saying this and the (by your own admission) refuse to address what I have said. And you are only saying its tedious as a cope because you cannot refute a single thing I have said. But since your ego wont let you admit that you have to act like it is above you while trying desperately to deflect. Now that is tedious, and autistic.

>>153393466
The Hell filler episode add-on didn't help matters. Reddit libtard shit will always be dunked on, even if the abortion wasn't HBO's Girls tier nonsense.

>>153393430
Holy shit it's not a fucking punishment to expect people to accept that their actions have consequences. Seriously why is this the one situation where you have to bend logic backwards to make it so people can just ignore the responsibility of their actions?

>>153389142
correct me if I am wrong but wasnt due to her begging Rudy for a child for a few centuries until she got fed up?

I find the "outrage" over this plot point fabricated and forced

I find your need to call it "forced" to be an attempt to try and dismiss people without being able to say how they're actually wrong

>>153393579
Because a child is a person, not an unwelcome consequence. You seem happy enough to dismiss their welfare *after* birth, I hope you never breed.

>>153393729
People have been saying how they're wrong all thread anon.

>Anissa rapes mark while under direct orders to get knocked up against her will.
"Oh how evil he should never hook up with her!"
>Omniman kills babies and children, literally thousands upon thousands.
"Oh he's sorry and Debbie is getting back with him, you need to learn to forgive. It was always going to be this way."
>Eve murders baby without even trying to get a hold of Mark after keeping it secret and not telling anyone.
"Oh she's so kooky and independent she's not ready to take care of a baby it's her body and her choice, Mark is a good boyfriend for saying he's sorry."

Cuckman might be one of the worst people I've ever read about, holy shit. What a garbage human. I thought Shadman was bad but this guy takes the cake and has main stream animated children with 'adult minds'. And people DEFEND him. Jesus fuck.

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>>153384609
She has superpowers that would be 100% reliable. Mark didn't rape her. And feminists force male rape victims to pay child support.
>>153383126
>has the power to manipulate matter
>somehow can't create a condom
hmmmm
>>153384469
she literally could have done that even without birth control because that's how her powers work

>>153393752
You haven't you give a cope which gets btfo and then you either ignore, play dumb, or try and fail to argue before spewing logical fallacies.

>>153393949
>And feminists force male rape victims to pay child support.
how is your picture or that their fault?

>>153393668
He can’t have kids.

>>153393969
>how are the laws that feminists lobby for their fault?
>how is it feminism's fault that they call you a misogynist if you oppose their laws?

>>153394140
what are the laws that they lobbied for that cause the issue?

>>153383105
Mark is a cuck.

Your arguments fall flat when you realise that she didn’t snort a human child but a v*ltrumite. She did the right thing. The universe will only ever be safe if ALL v*ltrum scum are eradicated. Mark was the one who did wrong by not killing Thragg and then himself. Eve’s real sin was getting with Mark in the first place. For that reason she’d have doomed herself to eternal damnation if only she didn’t redeem herself through the abortion, cleansing her body and soul of the v*ltrumite devil. Plus earth belongs to earthlings anyway. That baby had not right to be born on earth. The only people who don’t support eve’s decision are disgusting brown immigrants themselves. Makes you think.

>>153389142
And then she cucked him again with Bulletproof

>>153393466
The truth is arguments over abortion haven’t been about abortion in a long time. It’s just a way to piss off the other side of the culture war. You’re either a lefty faggot who supports it, or a right wing mental case who doesn’t. People arguing in good faith would acknowledge that every abortion case is different, so they should be judged a case by case basis.

>>153395097
Thaedus, how's hell?

>>153383152
This may be the cringiest thing I’ve ever seen posted not only on /co/ but in all of 4chan. Get a hooker or something kid Jesus Christ

>>153393731
>A child is a person not an unwelcome consequence
Ironic how you don't seem to expect others to accept this statement and instead expect them to abort. Fuck you.

>>153395354
Filled to the brim with v*ltrumites

>>153391989
Change is for the better is either gonna have to start slowly or something explosive will have to happen for more immediate change.

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>>153395620
Then it's exactly the hell you deserve.

>>153383126
there's literally no reason for the abortion though. she has friends and family, she has super powers, and technology has advanced that it's likely safe to give birth. also the kid could grow up and could be a super hero. she didn't have any actual reasoning behind the abortion. she had no medical issue, she didn't even say "my body my choice". it was some bullshit about her feelings and feelings are not what you use when concerning yourself with life and death

i'm pro choice, you're mostly wrong.

>>153383105
>Fuck Eve.

No, don't. Fucking that run through roastie is what got him into that mess in the first place. Find someone else.

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In almost the entire existence of mankind, people knew that the purpose of sex was procreation and that the consequences of sex was pregnancy, but for some GODDAMN reason in this fucking century, in these last hundred of years, people just CAN NOT realize this.
For me, it's a HUGE sign of the total decay of the human race and the end of our time.
Escapism blinding people is ending everything. And the (((followers of Satan))) aren't above this neither.

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>>153398972
Eve is a good slampig though. Rexsplode did (mostly) nothing wrong.

>>153398986
>purpose of sex is procreation

wrong. the purpose of sex is also to form, strengthen, and maintain social bonds as well has for pleasure and maintain physical health

there are over 8 billion humans. there is not a shortage of humans or a need to reproduce

>>153399174
>reddit spacing
Didn't peruse the rest of your retarded nonsense btw. God made sex for procreation purpose and nothing will remove this truth. Done.

>>153399223
double spacing has existed since typewriters,

retard

>god

there is no god, retard. you speak of truth and

literally can't prove god. the massive cope

you're spewing knows no bounds. time to suck

a tailpipe.

>>153384427
She consented to that risk.

>>153399174
Those were just afterthoughts of evolution. Most likely, sex evolving to be pleasurable made it so that more animals sought to do it to pass on their genes which is literally the ultimate goal of the life cycle of most creatures on earth.
Then strengthening and maintaining social bonds is obvious. Women need men and vice versa so reproduction is successful and the babies are nurtured and protected and yada yada until they can fend for themselves.
Ultimately the purpose of sex is for reproduction.

>>153395146
>they should be judged a case by case basis.
Legally that's not really sustainable. Hauling every ex-mother and/or abortion clinicist in front of a court of inquiry after each abortion is cruel and unusual. Law must ideally be of general application, stable, consistent, intelligible, promulgated publicly, etc. Ad hoc fiats are just not going to cut it, though if you tried to do it that way the I'm sure the results would lean more towards suppressing (legal, reported) abortions due to the intimidation factor.

Reminder to everyone in this thread of the cursed fact that SIDS has a high correlation with stress in the parents' lives... that is, stress BEFORE the death of the infant. That problem is so difficult to police, because of the lack of evidence and sensitivity of the circumstances, that very often they just don't bother investigating.

>>153385451
Better yet, kill the baby after it was already born.