Why did it fail to leave any legacy?
It contradicted itself, leaving it without any coherant meaning.
>>153387771I can just tell by the filename you've made this thread 1000 times.
People still bring it up in animation circles
>>153387771It did, but only because Seth MacFarlane acknowledged it by shitting on it
>>153387869Seth didn’t wrote that
I still can’t believe the stupid ass reason the story got derailed so hard>extremely neurotic Jewish creator of show is at Hollywood party>weinstein is there (pre cancellation and arrest/prosecution)>somebody brings up the shoe to Weinstein, Weinstein said he liked it and really liked the episode where BoJack was underwater and he identified with him struggling to communicate>weinstein cancellation and legal issues happen soon after>neurotic Jew showrunner is now convinced his show is endorsing and helping predators exist>changes plot to reframe bojack as a predator who must be punished>pussies out and doesn’t even let him kill himself because he’s also afraid of endorsing suicide
>>153387771It went to shit in season 4 and ended up leaving a bad taste in the mouths of people that had enjoyed it up to that point.
>>153387895Just as likely he was just virtue-signalling and conforming to everyone turning on Weinstein now that it was fashionable.
>>153387771It got too depressing without redemption. I GET IT. HE FAILED but it won't hurt a bit extra smiles like how Pim does.
Normal words, but a horse guy!
>>153390697You're insufferable.
>>153387895Wasn't Bojack a horrible person well before Weinstein found out about the show? >derailed so hardOk, so what was the story going to be like if the creator didn't find out about Weinstein? What factors changed?
>>153390877He was horrible but he was not like abhorrent at least compared to everyone around him. He was your run of the mill Hollywood narcissist and pretty much the whole cast save Todd had some manner of self absorbed bullshit going on. The idea was that he was trying to get his shit together but always tripped up in some way.
>>153387771>ended in January 2020Imagine how insufferable the covid season would have been.
>>153391586>the covid seasonY'know ever since I got into the show and heard about the whole 'Netflix cut it short' thing it kept bumming me out. And with one sentence you made me happy it actually ended when it did. A seventh season revolving around Covid genuinely sounds horrible.
>>153387771I was thinking about this show today, there's a lot I relate toDiane's feelings about "good damage" hit hard for me as a creator, and Bojack's rough upbringing made me feel for him. But the show going on for so long makes me wonder whether Bojack's spiral was genuine or just because it had to continue
>>153387771Too long, too meandering, no satisfying conclusion and the constant, pointless misery porn made viewers bored. You could say "uhhh, that was the point", to show how wojack feelsman is trapped in his own hell, but you dont need to retread the whole thing again and again and have the same epiphanies happen and get forgotten, you could have paced it in one or two season, wrapped it up and THAT would've had an impact.
>>153390877In the first few seasons Bojack reminded me more of Bob Saget in the mid-2000s-2010s. A schlubby, washed up, alcoholic former sitcom dad who's raunchy and leans into the contrast of his onscreen life and his real life, even down to his inappropriate closeness with a former co-star who once played his child, it is worth noting she was an adult at the time but only due to what happens in subsequent seasons with Penny. After the Weinstein incident the creator had, the sexual degeneracy of Bojack took more of the focus, naturally culminating with Charlotte and Penny, and then the rest of the series positions Bojack in a parallel role to Harvey Weinstein as a man in the middle of a media circus in relation to his sex crimes. I brought up Sarah Lynn earlier in relation to Penny because I could see an argument for Bojack's behavior being a throughline in the series, and while I wouldn't disagree, the narrative weight and framing placed upon the two relationships is very different. Sarah Lynn is originally a creepy age gap relationship with someone WAY too young for Bojack, and someone who Bojack was once in a somewhat custodial role for, but was also very much an adult making her own decisions even if based in trauma. Penny is just Bojack actively grooming a kid into his bedroom. "B-But he told her to go to bed!" and left his door open and I guess we cut to HIM getting raped in the very next frame too. Either way, the change in Bojack's behavior, especially with his coercive relationships with younger women, is pretty clear in the latter half of the series.
>>153387771It was too much of the same thing over and over again. Bojack could do whatever he wanted the entire time, but he chose to just lie in a hole and wallow.The stakes were so low the entire time because of that.
Honestly reminded me of this reddit nosleep story that was just an excuse to be all "Heaven doesn't exist! Death is nothingness forever! Spooky!"
>>153387869Seth hasn't written Family Guy since Stewie was still evil, he just voices everyone and goes home
>>153394068This is actually a very nuanced and well thought out reply. I didn't expect that. And now that you point it out I can kinda see what you're saying. I still enjoy the series but yeah you do have a point they made a big focus of that. Not sure if that was because of Weinstein directly but I can definitely see the parallels. Well done.
>>153394257Thanks, man. I genuinely like the show for the most part, but did get a bit fatigued with Bojack learning the most basic self care axioms season after season just for the next season to be about him doing a backflip off the top of any change he had built for himself and his loved ones to drive the belabored plot. It reminded me of the manga "Boys on the Run" with just how often the main character would sabotage himself or have the plot sabotage him in service of suffering porn.
Bojack is a cowards show. Say what you will about South Park but at least that show had an ethos.
>>153387869It always makes me laugh when people assume that Seth is responsible for every joke in current Family Guy when he's always been honest about the fact he's hasn't been involved with the show at all beyond the voices for like 15+ years now. Dude just gets handed a script and voice acts. He could care less if it sucks because he's rich and FOX will never cancel the show so he'll always get residuals.
>>153396256>him doing a backflip off the top of any change he had built for himself and his loved ones to drive the belabored plot.I'm honestly pretty happy with how they did it. I can understand why some people wouldn't but in my eyes if he learned all his lessons and turned around I'm not sure the ending would have been as satisfying. I think all the characters got the ending they deserved, ultimately. It'd have been nice if they got to expand Todd's arc a bit, but I think they did well given the circumstances. People are gonna complain I post this way too much but fuck them. I stand by this.
>>153396406Seth is a good guy deep down and I feel bad that he gets a lot of flack for the quality of the show tanking. The writers are just screwing him over with dogshit material.
>>153387771>nihilistic show with no point to it has no legacyWow, I wonder why
>>153387771Most of the characters are lame gag characters whose only development was given them a "le sad backstory".
>>153387789>animation circlesI wouldn't call a bunch of jobless art college graduate dykes as noteworthy.
>>153396579>Make your show le serious and have every action have some negative consequences that serves to make the cast even more neurotic and depressive>Except for the comedy gag guy whose entire existence is mooching off the main character and doing whatever he wants
>>153394068>Penny is just Bojack actively grooming a kid into his bedroom.That's horseshit. He wanted to fuck her mom and was totally blindsided when Penny wanted his dick. With Penny and her friends he was just enjoying pretending to be a teenager.
I cannot figure out if I misinterpreted the episode about Diane going to the war country. I thought the point it was making was that she got exactly what she wanted but failed to live up to her own expectations.
It repeatedly vanished up its own ass about "real life's not like a sitcom, maaaaan" when no character actually seems to expect it to be like a sitcom, Bojack included. It leads to pointless stories like Judah being introduced only to get fired that seem to exist just to demonstrate how not like a sitcom the story is.
>>153396411Todd is dogshit. I'm glad that they didn't waste more time on him than they already did.
>>153397947Todd is my favorite out of the main five. :*(PC is a close second and she got a lot of the best storylines.
>>153387771because its you
>>153387771because the boohoo im a depressed nihilistic fuck got old and thankfully people are fucking sick of it
It is hard to describe this but this series oozes 2010s from its every pore.
>shitty depressed horse man demands sympathy for being a shitty person for multiple seasonsif anything, Family Guy didn't it roast it hard enough.
>>153398145this, it is definitely a mid-to late 2010s time capsule, all from the politics to pic related from the sixth season (which was already outdated considering none of the "memes" at the time used impact font unless it was ironic)
>>153387771-only talked about because of an age gap fiasco-turns out people don't actually know the age of consent is 16 and 17 in most u.s. states and european countries so they infantilize young women while young men get charged as adults for crimes-toxic femininity normalized-protagonist wasn't allowed to go through a journey to improve, he just kept getting worse-writers changed the plot for the worse according to someone they hate saying they like the show-plots try to focus on power dynamics but from the lens of women which is broken because women specifically seek a power imbalance concerning mate selection by default-turned in to Lifetime channel trauma fetishism
>>153397586Judah was a sacrificial beta male
>>153387771Normal Words, But A Horse Guy!
>>153387771In the pursuit of making the most cynical yet grounded cartoon as possible they created a show in which everyone watched it when it first came out but never wants to rewatch it now because they don't want to go through it again.It's funny how it's own cynicism was both it's biggest strength and it's biggest weakness and the lack of legacy it has makes it all come full circle. Bojack can never escape being a has-been. Even now.
Despite being created by a man, Bojack is one of the most female-brained shows ever made because it's disingenuous and incoherent about its own messages. It tries to make us feel bad for the MC because of his sob stories but it's pretty obvious halfway through the series that the writers think redemption is a sort of pipe dream and that being a bad person is an unfixable pathology. It's a show made by the kind of person who virtue signals loudly about "marginalized people" but secretly wishes the homeless population was mulched into fertilizer.
>>153387771>lazy animation>lazy writing>for a lazy generationAre you surprised?
>>153399093FUARK GODpeter CHADffin!!! Please have mercy on my franchise!!!
Because Klasky Csupo did a superior version over two decades agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTS7GjXywZM
>>153397586It's funny how for most of the cast it's not a sitcom, but for Todd it absolutely IS, so the point it's so anal about is totally null.
I think they needed to commit to either BoJack's redemption or his absolute destruction. Their non-commitment left us with the horrific message that even if you fix your life, you can't change the past and it could ruin your life at any moment.Diane's messaging is also devilish: once she gets onto anti-depressants, she loses her critical idealism and begins peddling YA slop novels. The message? Get yourself evaluated for mental illnesses before causing trouble for shareholders!IMO this has lead to a situation where more critical viewers are hesitant to recommend it, while the less critical have already moved on and forgotten
