It's so fucking grim seeing all these legends who worked on the biggest and best shows in the 80s, 90s and 2000s begging for a scrap of work on social media/linkedinImagine if you become an animator during the boom years of the 80s/90s/00s. Back then the industry seemed like one of the pillars of American media and following your dreams of becoming an artist meant that you didn't have to starve as there were countless job prospects and job security.Then the internet comes along and new generations of kids grow up watching brainrot YouTube slop made by third worlders who pump out an unlimited amount of this trash every day. And then to make matters worse streaming platforms cut back on animated content massively because they realized they can't compete with the endless free slop being uploaded to YouTube every single day. Do you guys think there's any hope for the industry at this point?
Capitalism, next thread.
Jews, nex thread.
Anything that requires hard work with eventually get replaced by a more automated process that typically involves machines. Animation is no different, executives don't care about artistic integrity so this is a dream scenario to them. Art without the artist. The ability to produce something quickly and efficiently to maximize profit.So what does that mean for animation? well it's sad to say but it means we're currently in a dark age. That doesn't mean great animation can't still be produced, it just means it's much harder to finance it and for the common person to discover it due to the sea of AI slop approaching all sectors of entertainment. The people who truly want good art will still look for it, but the appeal from the casual audience will be lost which means most art will be produced for a financial loss. In some ways this is a good thing. Art should be made for arts sake instead of money but that type of thinking doesn't put bread on the table. Many people will lose their jobs and never recover but that's just apart of life when something huge changes the entire landscape of the way things work.It's not just animation either, AI is taking over everywhere.
>>153398837They should just do porn.
>>153398837Don't worry, I'm sure Glitch will totally save the industry. Trust the plan.
>>153398837>Muh industry thread
>>153398837Leftists ruined the industry when they took over by politicizing it and making it as ugly as them. On their fanaticism they forgot they were working on entertainment and that it was their job to bring joy and entertain the audience and they did the opposite so everyone left, and now animation is seem as an unprofitable waste of money so nobody wants to pay to produce animation anymore.
>>153399291You say this as if that is the core reason. It was by design.
>>153399291Nah it’s literally capitalism, if anything the only reason why leftists started flooding the medium is because the diversity hires often work for less money It’s all related to number go up, the people on top managing the whole business just want the cheapest way possible to make shit, is retarded to put this on leftist when the right wing people is the one sucking billionaire dick and pushing for the billionaires to pay less taxes
>>153398883Capitalism was the reason anyone in the industry got those jobs in the first place.
>>153400597People who immediately blame capitalism are deflecting from the fact they helped institute the very culture which led to the industry's decline
>>153400612It’s called late stage capitalism, that’s where we are right now like the end of a tube of toothpaste
> children's television > animation The fact both are still seen as synonymous is part of the problem Anime is still doing amazingly because it allows for a demographic audience older than 8 and younger than 24 Kids are watching Cocomelon and AI slop shorts Cartoon Network famously decided to say "Fuck our Manchild/Womanchild audience who are unironically 99% of the people still watching us, let's pivot to preschooler shows Then that crashed and burned so cataclysmically that some anons don't even remember that it happened.Their own fault for thinking the TV studio system would remain in place indefinitely. Animation didn't even exist as a medium before the 20th century. No industry is permanent except the sex industry.
>>153398883>>153398895>Jewish executive: "I want to cut corners as much as possible.">Jewish showrunner: "I will normalize merged roles to pay less people and hire only the freshest people to pay them less.">Jewish misanthrope: "We must force behaviours.">Jewish lawmaker: "U-S-AID! U-S-AID! U-S-AID!">Jew who fought in WWII and helped found comicbook nerd culture: [Lies dead and forgotten]
>>153400626Late stage capitalism was used to describe a state of capitalism closer to capitalism's emergence in England in the 1700s than the present, out of copium by 1800s commies that capitalism would be dead in a generation. Face the facts that there are no stages. It just is what it is.
>>153399291>as ugly as themI didn't know Klasky-Csupo were communist revolutionaries.
You might have difficulty wrapping your heads around this, but the entire entertainment industry as you understand it is barely 100 years old. TV, radio, movies, cartoons, basically anything other than live music and stage plays didn't exist before that point, and the oldest person alive today is close to being older than all of those.And think of the oldest English-language book you've read that hasn't been translated from another language. Alice's Adventures In Wonderland and Frankenstein still hold up, those are from the 1860's and 1810's respectively, but go back further and language has changed. Shakespeare was from the 1500's and most people need it translated from English to English. The written language is is about 5,000 years old and 99.9% of everything ever written was made in the past 100 years and it's pretty much all due to the industrial revolution.The industrial revolution itself pretty much entirely due to capitalism, which is what lead to the technological advancements that created entertainment and animation industries, becoming everything you remember them being. And further advances in technology due to capitalism, is what will make them obsolete.The past 100 years will be an odd blip in history between the Victorian era and whatever comes next.>>153400612Yup.
>>153400626We've been in "late stage capitalism" for almost 80 years now.
>>153398837>Do you guys think there's any hope for the industry at this point?To be honest, I'm not sure. What I DO know is that I have mixed feelings about those affected by this.To the animators from the 80's, 90's, and 2000's who made shows people wanted to watch, I genuinely feel for them. Even if I didn't watch certain shows from those eras, I have a newfound appreciation for those shows given the shitstorm that brewed in the 2010's.To the animators from the 2010's and 2020's who can't stop spouting bullshit on twitter/bluesky pandering to specific groups to "secure their legacy," bragging about ruining childhoods, spamming beanmouth because it's cheap and easy, and going overboard with melodrama, pic related. I ran out of fucks to give those asshats.>>153400770This
>>153399094Glitch will collapse after Digital Circus ends
>>153401544if Glitch goes under then who will replace it?
>>153400626Marxist eschatology won't happen.Move to Cuba.
>>153400646This
>>153398837Tomorrow is not guaranteed. This has always been the case for just about everything.
>>153400646>Cartoon Network famously decided to say "Fuck our Manchild/Womanchild audience who are unironically 99% of the people still watching us, let's pivot to preschooler shows>Then that crashed and burned so cataclysmically that some anons don't even remember that it happened.Watching this happen in real time was more hilarious than any shitty beanmouth comedy slop CN put out in the past decade. Any retard would've been able to tell you why this plan was so stupid as to be incoherent, but the CN execs have been stuck in the mindset that animated = for kids specifically since the early 2010s They really really didn't like the fact they had adult fans of their shows in the 2010s 90s and 2000s CN embraced that shit
>>153399012everything except wearing a nametag and putting products in a bag for the customer is being automated. you would be a fool to be pleased about this.
>>153400745/pol/tards blame everything capitalist tendencies ruined on communismMany of them will unironically tell you that a private enterprise that busts unions and seeks solely profit is "communist" because bluehaired feminists make content for it and that the most milquetoast "gay people exist, here's a gay businessman/individualist superhero" message is amplified as a Marxist takeover of society, by chuds who can't even identify 10 elementary school civic terms, because a """socialist""" feminist writer who also probably even tell you what socialism means was involved somewhere in the storyboard of a cartoonWe live in a hypernormalized society where words have no meaning anymore.>>153400770> The industrial revolution itself pretty much entirely due to capitalismReverse. Capitalism is due to the industrial revolution. Capitalism via joint-stock companies trading with private property emerged twice in human history, and both times were the result of industrialization (Song Dynasty in China, England in the 1700s)>the entire entertainment industry as you understand it is barely 100 years old.This is true though. The 20th century was an amazing flourishing of human artistry and expression, but it wasn't the norm, and literally almost every aspect we associate with these industries were the results of advancements in technology allowing new avenues of expressionAlmost everything to do with the current state is also the result of it. Cartoons aren't profitable anymore because a combination of cheap storage and instant on-demand access means you can't rely on the TV studio system and syndication, since now anyone can watch anything at any time and discuss it whenever they want. Then when AI evolves, everything with be 100% on demand. The idea of animation as an industry-backed artform will fade, until human animation is purely indie or "organic" branded
>>153402071multiple good disney channel shows(Fillmore!, Kim Possible, some more I forget) got cancelled because they were very popular but more adults than children watched them. it's fucking weird.
>>153402172This is the same reason why the second half of the 20th century was so experimental for music and why everyone feels like music has become formulaic and samey. 1960-1975 saw an unprecedented rate of advancement in recording and instrument tech, which is why that's when basically all modern genres were created in that small time frame (especially a 20-month or so period between 1967-1969) Everything since then has just been pushing the boundaries as far as they can possibly go, and ever since around the 2000s, we hit the limit of what humans can even perceive so for people who think something only counts if it's experimental or new, they've been living in hell for literally almost 30 years now because they assumed the 20th century would never end
>>153400646Americans and burgers have an autistic relationship with animation that became 20x more autistic when autists took over fandom in the 2000sCartoons only started getting made for kids specifically because TV animation was so much lower budget and adults wouldn't take serious cartoons seriously if they looked like illustrated puppet shows, or at least that's what Jewburgers thought because Japan and France had a lot of the same issues but they were able to make non elementary school kid cartoons just fineI think mommy groups and S&Ps in the 70s also played a role. There was a ban on action/drama TV cartoons outright IIRC that only lifted in the 80s
>>153402196Advertisers only care about how many people in their target demographic are watching their ads. Why would they want to pay to show ads to childless adults when they're trying to sell stuff for kids?
>>153398837>Imagine if you become an animator during the boom years of the 80s/90s/00s.Most of the 80s and 90s cartoons were glorified toy commercials with cheaply animated.Modern cartoons are objectively superior in every conceivable way>And then to make matters worse streaming platforms cut back on animated content massively because they realized they can't compete with the endless free slop being uploaded to YouTube every single day.Good they will have to focus on quality
>>153403056Retard with shittaste
>>153403056>Modern cartoons are objectively superior in every conceivable wayBullshit. It's the same insincere therapy shit for white girls.
>>153403068Truth hurts Gen Xer
>>153403089Cope, I’m not a xoomer.
>>153403114Sorry Faillenial
>>153403129Strike two, faggot
>>153398837Buddy the industry had tons of problems before YouTube slop, years before the current one exist and problems can compound for decades >>153398883Shut up >>153400562You are a leftist, quit dissociating in bad situations for your kind
>>153400646This. Despite the talent, both the big mainstream companies and the indie studios can't make shows for adults that aren't episodic comedies if their lives depended on it, which is a death sentence with anime becoming mainstream in the states.
>>153403175But anime lost its mystique it once had in the '80s
>>153400562>if anything the only reason why leftists started flooding the medium is because the diversity hires often work for less moneyNo, it was because they were all friends of a friend.The animation industry since the 2010s has been very incestuous, it's all just trust fund kids hiring their friends and then those friends hiring their own nepobaby kids bad contacts.
>>153403224I'm sorry grandpa, but Japan was willing to make shows for age groups American studios ignored.
>>153400646Not really...>Unless you are a hyper long runner like Sazae-San, Detective Conan, Chibi Maruko-Chan, Doraemon, Pokémon, PreCure, Shimajiro and Anpanman it's 20 times worse then what it is in the States.>There hasn't been anything for the 8-24 year old market since Jewel Pet died (baring odd exceptions like Cocotama, Bonobono (which is still going) and Mewkledreamy), in fact the shift to the over 25 year old market happen when Hamtaro ended production (the 3DCG Hai spin off started the same year but only lasted until 2008 because the shift to 25+ year old otaku was that bad) which was the same year Haruhi Shizumiya was released, so if you want to blame anyone, blame KyoAni for this abysmal mess we're in right now.>If the 8-25 market wants animation that is being produced right now (as in not old content like Kirby Right Back At Ya and Bomberman Jetters as well as not indluding vintage animation like Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry/Droopy/MGM Tex Avery and Fleischer Popeye/Pre Code-Betty Boop/Fleischer Superman) their selection are either the hyper long runners, foreign imports like SpongeBob or Teen Titans Go or just don't bother and spend those years playing sports instead, most people in that age bracket chose the later as they still have energy from their younger years (3 to 7) but their body hasn't wore out to the point that all they can do is become salary people until they're in their late 60s where at that age retirement is their only option.>Cocomelon is only a thing in India and other 3rd word countries, the west (as well as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau) avoids that shit like the plague and watches Game Sack, The 8-Bit Guy and LGR instead, all shows that are scripted and are informative.>As much as I like the Gugugaga penguin girl kids as well as normies are not watching AI slop videos, they're watching live action content on YouTube such as whats brought up in the last paragraph.>Teen Titans Go is still going.
>>153398883Disney/Fox ust got 20 million dollars from the State of California to make the Simpsons movie.
>>153400658Meanwhile, with Catholics...>Catholic executive: "I want to avoid cutting ANY corners as much as possible.">Catholic showrunner: "I will normalize respected roles to pay for the best people people and hire only the most trusted people to pay them a fare wage.">Catholic saint: "We must have falling anvils.">Catholic lawmaker: " And explosives">Catholic who fought in WWII and helped found comicbook nerd culture: "We have baloney in our slacks.">>153403056No they were not, early 80s were glorified toy commercials with cheaply animated but by 1983 they slowly stopped being ads and started to be actual entertainment and by 1985 they were almost exclusively about funny animals hitting each other over the heads with mallets while also dropping anvils/safes/pianos on their heads while shoving dynamite down their pants (if they had any) done by AAA Japanese studios that cost a arm and a leg to hire with the quality being 1 to 1 with what Warner Bros was doing in the 40s and 50s, by 1998 they were the same subject but the funny animals were replaced with lolis, and 2005's Avatar and 2006's Haruhi Suzumiya fucked every up and it still hasn't recovered from it.But the blue dog(?) segments from Bullet/Bullet are a start (pic related).Really; Why watch Spy X Family (beside for Anya and Becky who are the only good parts of it) where you can watch Duck Amuck instead.>>153403523Read >>153403523 as that is clearly not the case.In short, theres a reason why Rabbit Seasoning stood the test of time while Go For It Nakamura-Kun won't.
>>153402294Read >>153404142 and >>153404391
>>153398837>Do you guys think there's any hope for the industry at this point?The only hope the industry has is a no nonsense executive with god tier taste across multiple demographics. You need someone that can bullseye the next "Bluey" for every genre and subgenre. I mean it's not happening anytime soon but that's what it would take. You need a filter to sort out the garbage pitches from the gems because the industry clogged the system with nepo hires, it's the reason why we haven't got another TMNT goldmine despite there being more indie comics than ever.https://youtu.be/7sSIE-o2V9g?si=eprU6DazVaH_xYTU
>>153405711Ruri Rocks, not Bluey.
Again like I said in the other thread, stop hiring people based on a quota and start hiring people are most capable, and also shorten cartoons to 4 to 7 minutes to account for the rise of low attention spans. It's fixable you just gotta call out the higher ups and quit hate watching bad shows, gamers did it with Concord and Highguard and it worked, you give these people no money or views and let it tank naturally.
>>153405917If kids can hold on to their attention spans for a 30+ minute Game Sack video then they can hold on to a 30 minute cartoon.But 3 segmented cartoons will be nice to have.
>>153401536This is how I feel as well. I'm no rightoid but it's clear that cartoons from the 2010s and 2020s are made by a self serving group of people who often seemed more interested in signaling to their own industry pals and tumblr followers than creating good shows.
>>153406122>I'm no rightoidSure thing chud.
>>153405917why would these imaginary most capable people (i am sure you are imagining straight white guy with just the same politics as you lol) want to work in an industry that treats them like shit, doesn't pay well and will outsource their jobs at the drop of a hat
>>153406636That's why I suggest starting animation industries out of LA, spread it out to all states.
>>153398837Animation is a useless luxury item whose disappearance won't affect the march of the World.Nobody will admit it here because this entire board is dedicated to it.
>>153400770>You might have difficulty wrapping your heads around this, but the entire entertainment industry as you understand it is barely 100 years old. TV, radio, movies, cartoons, basically anything other than live music and stage plays didn't exist before that point, and the oldest person alive today is close to being older than all of those.>And think of the oldest English-language book you've read that hasn't been translated from another language. Alice's Adventures In Wonderland and Frankenstein still hold up, those are from the 1860's and 1810's respectively, but go back further and language has changed. Shakespeare was from the 1500's and most people need it translated from English to English. The written language is is about 5,000 years old and 99.9% of everything ever written was made in the past 100 years and it's pretty much all due to the industrial revolution.>The industrial revolution itself pretty much entirely due to capitalism, which is what lead to the technological advancements that created entertainment and animation industries, becoming everything you remember them being. And further advances in technology due to capitalism, is what will make them obsolete.>The past 100 years will be an odd blip in history between the Victorian era and whatever comes next.This is a genuinely excellent post, with points I've often thought about myself! Quoting the whole thing for posterity. (No I'm not sameanon)However: just because it's been a relatively short period of history, doesn't mean we should throw up our hands and surrender to a supposed cycle.
>>153407233You can just live outside the cycle.There is no sense of History nor progress. History goes wherever we want to take it according to our interests.
>>153407566amish don't really live outside of cycle, without it they would have been collectively raped and pillaged out of existence. a lot of them even have communal phones specifically to call the cops. you can reject the worst excesses of the era you live in but you cannot reject it entirely without becoming a full-on schizo survivalist.
>>153400597No. The reason is labor. Capitalism just allows the owners to steal the value of their labor from them.
>>153407566>You can just live outside the cycle.Like pic related? Which is completely dependent on normie society for defense, if not other things?Also maybe the irony is secretly intended, but this pic actually gives a real, working example of "true communism" - the aforementioned problem aside.But here's the main point:>You can just live outside the cycle.No, you can't really, unless you either make all your own media (and probably much else) somehow or you're content with stuff from the past - which is not always available, but even if it is the resultant isolation is extremely depressing. Normies aren't joining you in your nostalgialand>There is no sense of History nor progress. History goes wherever we want to take it according to our interests.First of all this sentiment is incredibly easy for postmodernists to abuse, but perhaps more importantly it wasn't the case for decades. Until the late 2000s we had a long period of modernist evolution, since then we've got a period of crappy revolution. Why accept this BS as "normal"?
>>153403056>Modern cartoons are objectively superior in every conceivable wayIf that were the case, then this wouldn't have happened with the "objectively superior" modern cartoons>Most of the 80s and 90s cartoons were glorified toy commercials with cheaply animated.Oh, so Alvin and the Chipmunks, Inspector Gadget, DuckTales, Muppet Babies, Garfield & Friends, Mister T, Beetlejuice, A Pup Named Scooby-Doo, Eek the Cat, Bobby's World, Rugrats, Doug, Ren & Stimpy, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, Goof Troop, Tazmania, Tiny Toons Adventures, Animaniacs, Powerpuff Girls, Dexter's Laboratory, Heathcliff and the Catillac Cats, The Littles, Angry Beavers, and Catdog were nothing but 30-minute toy commercials?
>>153407623Sigh... of course someone already made a less autistically long reply than I did >>153407806Guess at least I added some detailed points?
>>153398837Animation for adults is going strong.There are a ton of adults now who grew up in the golden age of cartoons and have no interest in youtube brainrot.
>>153407931>Animation for adults is going strong.Is it?I can only think of maybe 10 adult cartoons worth a damn since 2020.Maybe not even that.
Capitalism is literally a fucking scam. It requires infinite growth on a finite world. You're so fucking dumb. How do you think other industries are? Factories, telemarketing, self-check outs. Requiring less people to actually work and get paid so the red line stays UP.YOU'RE ALL SO FUCKING DUMB!YOU DESERVE TO BE MISERABLE!
>>153408081>He says while hiding in his cottage from African migrants who are stealing his countries jobs.Hows those gas prices since that strait was shut down? It only went up like 20 cents where I'm at.
>>153407837>If that were the case, then this wouldn't have happened with the "objectively superior" modern cartoonsActually it would streaming is way more popular than cable now>Oh, so Alvin and the Chipmunks, Inspector Gadget, DuckTales, Muppet Babies, Garfield & Friends, Mister T, Beetlejuice, A Pup Named Scooby-Doo, Eek the Cat, Bobby's World, Rugrats, Doug, Ren & Stimpy, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, Goof Troop, Tazmania, Tiny Toons Adventures, Animaniacs, Powerpuff Girls, Dexter's Laboratory, Heathcliff and the Catillac Cats, The Littles, Angry Beavers, and Catdog were nothing but 30-minute toy commercials?Yes
>>153407623Mennonites live in third-world cartel-ruled spicland and they have the same living standards and the Amish.Their offspring don't need to beg in the streets, live in a favela or prostituye themselves in order to survive, unlike other citizens there.
>>153408081Not only does it require infinite growth on a finite world, it requires eternal inequality too. We’re already outgrowing this shit
>>153403523>Japan was willing to make shows for age groups American studios ignored.Dumbfuck teens and manchildren
>>153408491Most of everything in fiction is poorly-written, this is something you'll come to understand as you get older, assuming you're not autistic or retarded.
>>153404196Yes, this is how capitalism works.Capitalism is the opposite of the free market, and any system into which capitalism is introduced rapidly becomes an oligarchy.There is no free market at any point in history which survived capitalism.
>>153408401yeah instead they get extorted and killed on a regular basis because of their perceived vulnerability, which is why a lot of them fucked off to dbz fan countries that aren't run by cartels
>>153404196>California There's your problem.
>>153400646>Anime is still doing amazingly because it allows for a demographic audience older than 8 and younger than 24Absolutely not, anime's popularity has plummeted among children in both Japan and the West.
>>153408700>I for one think Studio Ghibli is boring trash.I don't even care about anime but this is a terrible take
>>153408700I can see that you're definitely on the autistic side.
>>153408266They were not.
>>153408725Everything has plummeted among children, they don't do anything except watch AIslop and doomscroll tiktok and instagram in between playing Roblox.Gen alpha is going to be the most maladjusted generation of all time, which is wild considering they're coming right after the zoomers. I see it in my own younger cousins and my niece, these kids are absolutely fucked.
>>153408514Not the case, read >>153404142 and >>153404391>>153408491Nothing you said is true as...>Pokémon is a expansion of the games, meaning it explains things the games couldn't due to hardware restrictions, also the video games sell better then the card game.
>>153407806The 20th century is just a grain of sand in thousand years of history.Since 1789 we have been told to progress (aka advance in one direction) towards something vague and now that this very thing finally appears clear before our eyes only those whose interests coincide want to continue following it while everyone else try to get out before it's too late.Mutts don't know Saint-Simon, Comte and Weishaupt so they can't understand what It at stake.
>>153408861Not the case, kids avoid AI slop and they avoid TikTok because China/The CCP owns it and kids hate what China is doing to the Uyghurs, plus kids are not playing Roblox anymore because of the sickos that are on the platform, they jumped ship to Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza like their adult counterparts.
>>153408985Get a job, Famicom.
>>153408948His other son at least made a name for himself and is respected.
>Complaining about the state of the industry when there's lost crossover promos to be found.
>>153408989Zoomers, not millennials as they just did this.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XhsqovFq_EwAll we got from millennials were alpha males, married mothers to alpha husbands and Catholics.
>>153403056>Most of the 80s and 90s cartoons were glorified toy commercials with cheaply animated.>glorified toy commercialsLet me explain why this was a good thing that required actual creativity and talent to work. In order to sell a toy, it has to be fun and interesting; the designs need to be enjoyable, cute, or cool; the characters have to be well-defined and likable to enable roleplay; and they need a large set adventures and scenarios to imagine them in. That's why all the toyetic shows are STILL around with fanbases because the formula is built around being able to put the characters in new stories.If you can't have fun selling a toy in a way that's creative you just suck as an artist.
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>>153409035>"Western animation is dead">Look inside>It's only American animation
>>153409035>AI madeYou tried.
>>153409149TMNT, Transformers, Power rangers, and even knockoff bootlegs like street sharks still move product. The Industry isn't profitable anymore because the people in it suck ,and can't make something people would pay money for.
why is it so hard for modern animators to realize just dont make gay and lame shit. people dont really like to watch gay and lame shit, they like to watch cool shit
>>153409208Not the case, if that was the case John K would've never entered the industry.
>>153409233Yea, like What's Buzzin Buzzard? and A Tale of Two Kitties.
>>153409208Don't forget you are talking to beanmouth-doodlers who just got fired for being useless LMAO.
>>153409171Speaking of which, how does anime do it?They crank out animation like nobody's business. Half of every season is garbage, but they still make it.Quality is usually streets ahead of the west, and good writing as long as its based on a manga or LN.Where's the money coming from?
>>153409310i think anime gets money from merch much more effectively than here
>>153408128>Hows those gas prices since that strait was shut down? It only went up like 20 cents where I'm at.you're an adult AND a faggotlolLMAO EVEN
>>153409310>Quality is usually streets ahead of the westAnon...
>>153409310The anime audience, even in Asia, trends older, and includes a lot of men who have actual jobs and thus have actual money to spend on various forms of merch or source material for anime.Cartoons tend to be aimed at kids or unemployed autists, who will maybe be able to buy a few trinkets with their parent's money.Basically, the modern cartoon audience in the west has become what the anime audience in the west was 15 years ago, except somehow even gayer.You're even seeing more poorfag brown third worlders in cartoon fandoms nowadays.
>>153409310Anime is aesthetically pleasing to watch unlike Calarts shit.Anime doesn't shove college lectures in the viewers face.That's It, that's the secret.It's that simple.All you had to do was doing the same.Now it's too late.Weep and repent.
>>153409386Yea, thats not the case, read >>153404142
>>153409386>Cartoons tend to be aimed at kids or unemployed autists, who will maybe be able to buy a few trinkets with their parent's money.Yes and no. CN shows wasn't doing that well in merch sales when they stopped appealing to children. geeks simply don't spend as much as otakus
There's a real simple set of questions that needs to be asked.>Do you believe that there is an artist or writer that can make the next new "Ben 10/TMNT" toy mover, money printer ip?>Why hasn't this person been given a show yet?Statistically there should always be a new cash cow waiting in line to be greenlit.
>>153409440see>>153408993
>>153409440The anime industry caters almost exclusively to otaku, that's a fact, and it's not just anime, manga has also begun to suffer from this problem, leading to a decline in readership among teens in Japan.https://president.jp/articles/-/111189
>>153409310Most of the investment comes from the companies that will benefit from the product’s distribution, like publishers and advertising.
>Mention the spread of anime (particularly shows for people over grade school age) as a reason American animation is struggling>Schizos chimpout and immediately start posting schizobabble in an attempt to fight reality
>>153409310>Where's the money coming from?China, because if America was paying for it everything Japan makes will be identical to Tiny Toons and Animaniacs to the T instead of the isekai, shonen and romcom shit that China wants.In fact out of the 2 billion yen per year anime industry 25% is from China, Japan wants to triple this but the only way to do that is to stop cock sucking China and start making shows like Tiny Toons and Animaniacs again full time.For comparisons Japan's live action industry make 19 billion yen a quarter (every 3 months), and that 100% locally sourced as the outside world won't touch Japanese live action content unless it's Super Sentai (Power Rangers), Kamen Rider, Ultraman or it has Kaiju monsters in it (Godzilla, Gamera)
>>153409548Denial is a 4chan religion
>>153409528Thats because of Haruhi Suzumiya, China and everything that isn't a long runner is aimed at/funded by China is also part of it as well.
>>153409548Honestly just wish they merged the boards, yeah guys let's keep talking about the same 5 shows forever when the majority of everyone has already moved on. But that'll never happen.
>>153398837Everything is fractured online. You can watch whatever you want when ever you want. This destroys the demand of companies having to pour money into making shows to fill 6+ hours a day for cable. None of this would be unfolding in the internet could never pass 56k speeds as TV and Theaters would still be the go to to watch anything. However we have crafted a world where captive audiences no longer exist and people are not clustering around 8pm on a Thursday night to see whats on TV. They no longer gather in groups to see movies playing near them. They just watch on their phone at 1am what they want.
>>153409548Anime spread easily BECAUSE viewers are disgusted with what American entertainment has become and seek something else.
>>153409610God no, no board merges, that's the last thing any boards need.
>>153400562They hate you because you tell the truth
>>153409632Only to then realize that the only shows people are watching are Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan because everything else is 20 times worse then what the US is doing.You're lucky to find anyone who is willing to touch Conan, and that ONLY just to lust over/sexualize Ai and Ran; Ditto for Crayon Shin-Chan because people still want that Family Guy style brashness in their cartoons.
>>153409629More like producers thought they could ignore children and cater exclusively to obsessive adults, just like in Japan. Half of Americans can barely pay the rent, let alone buy minifigures from some random "adult" cartoon.
>>153409685Don't forget they're also turning to Korean animation too. They're uploading a bunch of stuff onto YouTube and posting clips to TikTok and Instagram and going extremely viral.
>>153406636This
>>153409710Not the case; Kids still have a demand in Japan but it's all long runners and foreign imports because of China, Japan wants kids and families, not basement dwellers and the only way to fix this is to cut China off and place them on the same shit list as North Korea.
>>153409610For a moment I had this hope that the death of Californian industry would lead/co/mrade discovering and discussing more often about shows made in other western and non-western countries.But the only times /co/omers care about anything made outside of USA is when they need to shop for new obscure waifus.
>>153409769>death of Californian industryZootopia 2 made over a billion
>>153409715Yes, in South East Asia, not Japan itself.This is what Japan is talking about and what Japan wants.https://x.com/momonoi_sub/status/2048350021360422969
>>153409811Yeah and it was toned down and they gutted most of the woke stuff out. Weird how we now don't need to be woke to make good movies.
>>153409685>You're lucky to find anyone who is willing to touch ConanIf it isn't a brainless action anime Americans simply don't care
>>153409827>Yeah and it was toned down and they gutted most of the woke stuff outSure buddy, is this excuse you will use to explain the success of Beyond the Spider verse
>>153409877How do we know they aren't removing stuff right now? And that's Spiderman people will see it regardless, they could make a Spiderman movie of him scooping crap out of his ass and wiping it against a wall and giving the audience a middle finger and it would still make 100s of millions at the box office.
>>153409853Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan are huge and they're not action shows.
>>153409922>How do we know they aren't removing stuff right now?I take that as a yes>And that's Spiderman people will see it regardlessHoly cope
>>153409769/co/ doesn’t care about American animation inside or outside of hollywood, it cares about a select few shows
>>153409946Modern people like their family style shows if the designs are cute. It sells well especially to autists.People will hunt down stuff to watch if the West is unwilling to deliver. And seeing the state of the industry they're gonna have to either completely restart the industry from scratch or they'll gonna have to wait a decade for things to get fixed. It's like the 70s all over again.
>>153409946>Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan are huge and they're not action shows.No just no>>153410011This. /co/ isn't an indicator for anything honestly
>>153410089Yes actually.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-12-26/japanese-animation-tv-ranking-december-16-22/.154758
>>153410146Heres a fresh one.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2026-04-25/japanese-animation-tv-ranking-april-13-19/.236750
>Californian thread>Full of nepo basedjaks who unironically want to try Communism AGAIN.LMAO the memes are real.
>>153410146I'm talking abou Americans
>>153410199Americans are stationed there, they watch it too.
>>153410209United States of America, nobody knows those shows outside Japan. The only series that reach mainstream success in the US are action series
>>153409584/co/ just feels worse than a lot of the other boards and it's because the schizos like Famicon are just that bad. It's always the same shit with this nigga.>"Japan needs to go back and continue making episodes of long dead American shows!" (He says as Japan's own native shows are taking over America constantly)>"Japan only wants their own old ass shows like Sazae-san!" (He says as Japan's new shows are huge within the country and internationally)>"Anime is declining in popularity with kids in Japan and in the west!" (oh shit nigga wat r u doin)Complete break with reality when it comes to this guy. The stereotypical out of touch actually autistic cartoon fan. These are some of the people you deal with here.
>>153410356>>"Anime is declining in popularity with kids in Japan and in the west!" (oh shit nigga wat r u doin)That's true
>>153410356Yea, people shit on some boards, but /co/ is so shit precisely because you run into the same annoying mega-autist schizos here in almost every thread, ironically the only threads they seem to avoid are the general threads, probably because all the generals are babysat by the mods so if they show up there they get instabanned.
>>153410356>Japan's new shows are huge within the country and internationallyI can only think of 4 shows that are actually that popular globaly OP, JJK, CSM and maybe DDD the US produces far less but it managed to make shows Invincible, Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss which are just as popular
>>153410555>I can only think of 4 shows that are actually that popular globaly OP, JJK, CSM and maybe DDDYou forgot>Frieren>Re:Zero>Demon Slayer>Spy X Family>Goblin Slayer>Vinland SagaAnd I'm not even including the stuff that was also super popular but already ended like My Hero Academia, Attack on Titan, or Mob Psycho.
>>153410322They do, piracy is why, also Chibi Maruko-Chan does have official YouTube uploads based on it's Hong Kong English dub.>>153410356>Tiny Toons and Animaniacs (DuckTales and The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh if you're Disney as their own Japanese studio didn't have the charm nor the personality that Telecom (TMS) had, and this is sone one who loves Darkwing Duck and Bonkers) were the best Japan ever done.>Sazae-San is rated as Japan's number one show in it's TV ratings.>Because of China all kids have are hyper long runners and foreign imports.Think before you speak.>>153410835>>153410555All pail compared to Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko Chan, even Conan does better then those shows.
>>153409035Someone get that wabbit some PANTS
>>153411134>>153410209>>153408266>Somehow, Famicon returned…
>>153398883Capitalism is not the problem, humanity is.
>>153398837Your only hope is indie animation. >>153408491Low iq rant that got rightfully deleted. >>153409363From the last 7 years the only western animation I truly enjoyed was Primal(even season 2). I enjoyed way more anime and if we take a look at the higher ends then it's true. >>153408514And actual adults. We don't have western equivalents for Perfect Blue, Paranoia agent etc.
>>153410835>Re:Zero>>Demon Slayer>>Spy X Family>>Goblin Slayer>>Vinland SagaMost of the the shows aren't mainstream at all at best they are popular within the anime community, you have to be particularly out of touch with reality if you think Gobin Slayer is a mainstream show.>My Hero Academia, Attack on Titan, or Mob Psycho.Steven Universe, Adventure Time or Arcane
>>153416202>>>Demon Slayer>>>Spy X FamilyThose are more popular with the normalfags than animefags, I saw them on fucking McDonalds cards. >>Vinland SagaThis was pretty popular on Netflix when it aired. Fans of GOT watched it.
>>153415503>I enjoyed way more animeNot an high bar, anime mainly appeals to brain dead manchilds and teens that are easily entertained by colours and explosions.
>>153416232Maybe shonen but there is way more than shonen on the market. I am sorry that you can't seem to grasp that.
>>153414047>Capitalism is not the problem, humanity is.okay chatgbt-kun
>>153416239>Maybe shonenThe most popular shows in the West are mostly all based on shonen manga anon.Brain dead seinens like Berserk aren't that different
>>153416289>The most popular shows in the WestAnd what does that have to do with anything I've said? Do you lack reading comprehension? I've never mentioned popularity even once.
>>153416322I I'm talking about the West because I live there you mouth breathing moron
>>153416322Youre on /co/ bruh
>>153416337And? Do you only watch/read the most popular stuff in every medium? Do you not have access to literally everything ever made ? Let me guess, you are a dumb zoomer that doesn't know how to use his PC.>>153416343So I should expect lack of reading comprehension by default.
>>153398837What industry is not doing terribly right now? Seems every other week some company is laying off a few thousand people. And it has been like that for the last 5 yeas.
>>153416374Car industry?
>>153400745...weren't they Eastern European jews?
>>153416374War profiteers and crypto/ai scammers thats it
>>153416367>Do you only watch/read the most popular stuff in every medium?When the fuck did I ever said that you stupid fuck? I was talking about the reason the general public likes anime, you got all butthurt and started talking about how there is more than just shonen. Fuck off
>>153404142You know a post is unsalvageable dogshit when its only replies are the nigger who wrote it desperately wanting people to listen to him by linking back to it.
>>153416433>I was talking about the reason the general public likes animeYou retarded motherfucker, my first post was this >>153415503>I truly enjoyedI never talked about the general public, but about myself. Holy fuck you are really low iq.
>>153415503>Paranoia agentI wish the west could make something like that. We need our own Kon.
>>153416458And I was telling you the reason most people watch anime you illiterate cretin, no one gives a fuck about Paranoia or whatever the fuck you fucking weeb
>>153416558>And I was telling you the reason most people watch animeAnd what does that have to do with the post you've quoted fucking retard? Did you mean to quote my last post? No one gives a fuck about Primal either yet it's the only decent western cartoon that has come out in the last decade. Anyways, I will reiterate my point so someone like you can understand, in the last 7 years I've enjoyed way more anime(non-battle shounenshit) than cartoons.>no one gives a fuck about ParanoiaYou weren't her back in the 00s. It aired on Adult Swim.
>>153416522No! Take more calarts kiddy shit!
>>153416289bro, I don't think you should talk about popularity. The only popular things in the west are tranny slop like hazbin or capeslop.
>>153416594>And what does that have to do with the post you've quoted fucking retard? Did you mean to quote my last post?You said you enjoyed Primal more than anime and I said that's not a high bar considering a shitty the average anime is you got triggered and made a snarky remark about my supposed limited knowledge of anime >No one gives a fuck about PrimalDon't care much about the show I only watched the first season and little bits of the second not much different from your dopamine rush lowest common denominator anime but at least it doesn't have the shitty dialogue.>I've enjoyed way more anime(non-battle shounenshit) than cartoons.Good for you
>>153416651>You said you enjoyed Primal more than animeAre you ok? I've never said that. I've said that I enjoyed Primal and then that I've also enjoyed way more anime than western cartoons from the last 7 years.>a shitty the average anime is you got triggered I got annoyed by your extremely low reading comprehension. >Good for youSo you've finally understood my reply to >>153409363? Good for you as well.
>>153416219Yes... in South East Asia, normalfags watch Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan.You're lucky if they watch Conan.>>153416455Not the case.>>153416522You did, his name was John K.
>>153398837It's because the animation industry as it existed between the late 70s and about 2010 was due to two factors:>toyetic commercialisation>the federal government holding a gun to corporation's heads and forcing them to create "age-appropriate" material for younger viewersThat's what fostered the animation industry in especially the US and the broader west in general, and with that came a lot of talent and economies of scale that allowed for the likes of the Simpsons or Duckman or stuff made by John K or whatever adult animated show to have a chance of getting made to begin with. It's why there was such a breadth to choose from, since there was both the talent and the backing industry there to support it. The one-two punch of network TV deregulation and the GFC meant that unless there was a guaranteed return on investing in what is quite expensive to make media in terms of man-hours needed to produce it, it meant that unless it already existed (Simpsons, Family Guy, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, etc), or had generational audience appeal (MLP, TMNT, Disney shows, etc), it was much less likely to get made, especially now that the feds weren't forcing them to make it either.If media corporations had their way, what do you think they woud want to make to maximise returns on profits? Expensive labor-intensive animated shows about queer owls or dangerhairs fighting the patriarchy, or bottom-of-the-barrel reality-TV and algo-slop for the masses?
>>153415503>From the last 7 years the only western animation I truly enjoyed was PrimalSheesh get better taste man
>>153416804Name something better then.
>>153416846Tron Uprising, Lastman, Corto Maltese, Infinity Train
>>153416735bombing the shit out of Asia from the 50s-70s also netted the US a couple generations of cheap as fuck outsourcing labor
>>153416911>tron uprising That's from the early 2010s>LastmanI still have to watch it. We will see.> Corto MalteseDoes it have an animated adaptation made in the last 7 years or so? >Infinity TrainI had to drop during book 4 since it was so shit, before that it was rather decent with some good bits.
>>153416949>LastmanDon't, it's 1970s Filmation bad.
>>153399291>Leftists ruined the industry when they took over by politicizing it and making it as ugly as them.During BLM, John DiMaggio was insulting and blocking everyone who DARED to say "All" lives mattered. You couldn't even say your own life mattered. He was an absolute asshole to his own fans. I hope that very brief moment of virtue signalling was worth it, John, since I'll never watch anything you do ever again, which included that last Futurama renewal.By chasing the "view of the moment" you lacked empathy and tried to force everyone into believing only one group's lives mattered and no one else did. Prick.
>>153418649>During BLM, John DiMaggio was insulting and blocking everyone who DARED to say "All" lives matteredKino
>>153399291>Leftists ruined the industry when they took over by politicizing it and making it as ugly as them.Forgot to add, that disgusting trend of shoving gayness into everything, ESPECIALLY if it was the final episode. Ruins the entire catalog of your show.
>>153403056>Most of the 80s and 90s cartoons were glorified toy commercials with cheaply animated.It always amuses me to see this retard-tier take. In order to be an effective "commercial", it has to be ENTICING to begin with. 80s cartoons were king at letting you know who the characters were and what the story was about. You could watch any single random episode without ever seeing the show before and not be lost. Go back to watching Uncle Grandpa you window licker. You type always spout "durrrrr toy commercials" without every being able to expound upon what you're saying because you're too stupid to do so.
>>153409710Bro, they will chase wherever the money is.
>>153418704>80s cartoons were king at letting you know who the characters were and what the story was about.They were super awful and without any depth, apart from the movies the animation industry was decades behind comics in terms of storytelling
>>153408081>Capitalism is literally a fucking scam.>YOU'RE ALL SO FUCKING DUMB!Communism has never succeeded.>inb4 "real communism has never been triedddd!!"kek. It that actually worked it would have been. It simply isn't possible. It will never work. If everyone is provided for, then who will do the shitty jobs? Who would work in healthcare emptying bedpans for example if they were provided for the same as those who didn't have to empty bedpans? Communism only flourishes in the minds of the intellectually dishonest.
>>153418755Nta but you are kinda dumb
>>153418754>They were super awful and without any depthThat's why they sold so many toys and have been constantly rebooted for new audiences, huh? Okay, sport!>it's a cartoon>I expect muh DEPTH!!!!Top kek.Typical moron who thinks the world centers around YOUR tastes.
>>153418794>reeeeeeeee>troll uses "nu-uh, YOU are!">its super ineffective
>>153398837More calarts kino will save western animation
>>153418755What is it with you people and bringing up communism when nobody asked lol this is about capitalism (which sucks ass) focus
>>153398837Do you know if any of these legends are taking students by chance
>>153418649>>153418655That never happened.>>153418704Debunked, that was the dark age of animation for a reason until Gummi Bears showed up.
