Why are Invincible fans okay with their current slop when it's so easy to fix?
>just add a fuck ton of obnoxious lighting bro!Also buy an ad
>>153403418Good lighting is important, dumbass. Without it, everything looks like shit. How many projects out there would've looked like ass without proper lighting. ALL OF THEM.
>>153403228SKYBOUNDHIRE THIS MAN
>>153403418This the show you love so much?Your slop is ready sir
>>153403453>Good lighting>Goodlollmao even
>>153403453Yeah but that's the thing you need good lighting. This is a bit of a mixed bag.>>153403521No i'm simply not bothered by the details.
>>153403418>just add a fuck ton of obnoxious lighting bro!Just like anime!
>Masks and gradientsYeah it's that easy>>153403418Tone down the transparency on the layers as you want. In those specific scenes high contrast lighting would be reasonable.
>>153403564>all he ever does is slap lighting filters on it without actually changing or fixing the animation in any way.Yeah dingus The point is that they were 1 EASY step away from dramatically improving the look of their animation.
>>153403228It's because it's unnecessary when retards that already lap up the garbage story and plot don't care. Corpo execs know that the modem audience of mouthbreathers didn't look at what they watch, so they cut visual budgets to save money and then you get idiots like >>153403418 who lop up the slop like the good cattle they are.
>>153403541Still, much better results than the original product.
>>153403740These are the idiots who never read the comics. Normies make fans hate adaptations.
>>153403228invincible fans deserve this level of quality. They are too cucked and emasculated to demand that a multibillion company keeps a high level of animation on one of its top shows. they unironically deserve this and i hope amazon keeps on lower the animation quality as a punishment for their sins
>>153403564Oh yeah you're mad
>animation is even worse than before >"THEY'RE SAVING IT FOR THE FINALE!!!">finale is still ass
>>153403564>MMMMH I LOVE ME SOME SLOP!
I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Invincible cartoon fans do not give a single fuck about the animation, the story, or the characters. They are literally only there for the voices, they want to hear JK Simmons and [man from my childhood cartoons] do a voice so they can go "OH SHIT, I RECOGNIZE THAT VOICE, HYPE!"
>>153403895No the finale is great.
>>153403228>Just slap some gradients and rim lighting on it bro
>>153403228>>153403418who is the guy who does these edits?
>>153404006That should have been the bare minimum. They don't even do THAT much.
>>153403228I prefer the more flat style. It reminds me of BTAS and X-Men.
>>153403453why?
>>153405329>it reminds me of the worse BTAS Yeah We know
>>153405352thats not season 4
>>153403228Some of the lighting edits I've seen are good, but these ones are JJ Abrams lense flare crap. Seems like it's done with AI. I agree they could give the team more time and staff members, but this much is unnecessary.There's also a difference between compositing clips that don't even last a minute and compositing 8 episodes of almost an hour each. Every single shot composited this way? That doesn't exist.
>>153403564>so based his post got nuked>>153403705>improvingIf that's what you call this trash.>>153403976Yeah man all those panning pngs flying into each other were riveting.
>>153405536He wasn’t based
>>153405564So not based you couldn't argue back and had to resort to getting his post removed.
>>153405536>Yeah man all those panning pngs flying into each other were riveting.They weren't there in the finale.
>>153405891Nice fanfic
>>153405262>>153403228It looks better
>>153405262How can fans be better than a billion dollar studio
>>153406523infinite time and no executive breathing down your neck to get you to push out this thing faster >>153403418you're either a shill or a retard
>>153403228WE NOT OK
>>153403895In this case there isn't a point to save the animation for the finale since the finale is just mostly talking
>>153405352I kinda prefer Season 4 Catwoman
>>153403781It looks like ass. just like zack snyder stuff
>>153407073Oh noooo
>>153403228And by "so easy" you mean "be given more budget" which I'm sure is an easy fix no one had thought of
>>153405276No, the bare minimum is what you actually got
>>153407469They can do it with their current budget they're lazyWhy do we need JK Simmons or Steven Yeun or Sandra Oh taking up 70% of the budget again?
>>153403228Honestly with how obscenely shit the production of this show is (forced yearly release schedule, severe understaffing, unnecessary hour long episode lengths) it's surprising that it doesn't look even worse than it does
>>153407111Shewas thiiiiis close to getting her own show.
>>153403228This is pretty much the "TV Show vs. TV show: The Movie" meme.
>>153403228Sorry anon but Americans aren't used to quality like below.That's why they prefer to eat fake chocolate over real chocolate.
>>153403877>u mad bro?You didnt address anything he said, Id be mad too if I had to put up with crayon eating retards like you shills all day
>>153407073Why did he shit himself in space?
>>153410237>Sorry anon but Americans aren't used to quality like below.Yeah okay paco go watch your dbz reruns.
>>153410265To generate thrust
>>153407073No you don't understand slapping lighting on him would've fixed this
>>153410293correct
>>153403228An example of overcorrectionInvincible does have a serious issue with shots feeling static, with no lighting or compositionHowever, this is exaggerated to a comical level
>>153410363still looks better than the original
>>153403569so you love slop being pushed into your throat, jeez what a bitch
>>153410244>anything he saidBan evader
>>153410449No.
>>153403418FPBPOP is just shilling his overuse of shading
>>153403228so let me get this straightyou want to "fix" a show FOR FREE that is made by one of the biggest companies in the world and since the acquisition of MGM a legitimate production studio and which is owned by one of the richest people ever to have livedand you expect to be respected for thishey while you're down there why don't you suck my dick too or is it the money he won't give you that you're really turned on by
>>153403453Just sell a director's re-cut later on with all new added lighting. Then it pays for the lighting budget, and you can still get the show out on time and within budget by releasing slop-lighting first.
>>153405347Lighting is important in other mediums like live action (after all bad lighting can ruin a scene *cough* GOT season 8 episode 3*cough*) but not very much in 2d western animation. Anons are right that people are confusing composting (the part of animation production that deals with shading, shadows and lighting) with the actual animation part. I also would say composting outside of theatrical 2d is probably the most "forgettable" part of American 2d animation since most cartoons in the west just skip adding shadows and just had stick to solid colors outside of the occasional dramatic scene. I don't blame anons for not being impressed by it in the way other mediums would be like live action, paintings and photography, it sort of like talking about how focal lens affect shot composition or the importance of blocking to a cartoon fan.
>>153411100Ugh stop trying to make your stuff look so good it just comes off as AI with no soul.
>>153403453And it can also be obnoxious and create a muddied mess. Not saying Invincible looks better but there are some strait up ugly shots the OP shows because it goes over the top. Sometimes less is more.
>>153411100>but not very much in 2d western animation.It used to be.Back before Cartoon Network destroyed 2D western animation forever.
>>153410957You're really mad
>>153411160that's retarded anon
>>153411689Yeah I know, having to degrade your work to cater to the paranoid is pretty retarded.People get scared of a em dash these days.A fucking line.
>>153403418>lighting pisses him off this muchSissy
>>153411843This
>>153403228bottom one looks like absolute shit, mate
You can't do dramatic lighting in every single shot. Top looks flat and bland but bottom looks like a mid-2000s mmo.
>>153407469When you spend 90% of your production budget on voice actors you might want to take a step back and think about how you could be better allocating those funds
>>153403228for some reason the bottom looks much more soulless
>>153414787Nah
>>153403228Adding shading and dynamic lighting won't fix shit like this
>>153410280>>153403228I was searching that exact meme, the "improvement" made me think of that and I don't think is that much of a improvement I mean okay better lighting but nothing else.
>>153403228Im not going to lie, SOME of these scenes do look good, but invincible issues can't be fix by adding a bunch of fancy lighting. The animation and art style need to be overhauled. Everything just looks stiff, flat, and dull.
>>153403228Shit I knew there was SOMETHING that was niggling me about Invincible's art style. It's so flat!
>>153403418it's render fags that want to up the skill ceiling and make simplicity unpalatable.
>>153403228Why would I want everything to look like a New52 movie?
>>153417005ONE MIRRION DOLLARS
>>153403228While obviously not all of the scenes in this clip should have that level of extreme lighting, it does prove its point that the super-flat lighting and lack of detail in the show is fucking terrible the moment you are reminded what shading actually looks like.
>>153418997Meanwhile,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9URbx38AIY
>>153419320One thing I've noticed is that even though the actual drawings have gotten simpler, American cartoons rarely do any real background animation these days, which you'd think would be super easy to accomplish when you don't have to draw any shading.It's wild how rare a sequence like webm related is in current day American animation, even if it is CG-assisted.
>>153419320Anime mogs western always
>>153419320>Final splash shaped like a flowerI appreciate Qifrey's dedication to aesthetics
>>153422904Its possible that was what the spell was supposed to do in the first place. What are the odds that Qifrey just happened to have a water-dragon spell on him ready to go? He probably took an existing spell that was with him and did a quick edit into something he could use on the fly.
>>153403228Because it's just Dragon Ball for the west and they go gaga for the exact same thing.
I wanna preface this by saying seasons 1-2 aren't good but s3 and 4 are fine because we're finally going somewhere and reaching a something that more resembles a point to this show.Better animation is not the problem with invinicble it's largely the writing where we revisit old ideas and encounter drama without any thematic depth or real pay off beyond more drama, Sandrah Oh gave an amazing performance but Nolan reaching out to Debbie and Debbie rejecting him doesn't feel meaningful, Nolan saying he didn't love Oliver's mom and then him saying he lied about that doesn't push anything forward it's just drama. Every season is littered with stuff like this. Something like the crazy scientist guy asking mark for forgiveness and mark saying no felt pointless because... that's all that happens he says no and leaves. So what was the point of the scene?>>153421397Some of my favorite shows of all time are all anime and I even love toku, kamen rider and sentai, okay, so don't get it twisted. I've been a massive weeb since day one to the point where I started learning katakana and hiragana when I was liek 18.The average anime is complete fucking dogshit compared to the average cartoon and it's not even fucking close, easily some of the worst shit I've ever seen. It's absolutely mind melting how bad anime can actually get when you actually start watching some of the bottom of the barrel shit they'll unironically put out.
>>153423540> The average anime is complete fucking dogshit compared to the average cartoon and it's not even fucking close, easily some of the worst shit I've ever seen. It's absolutely mind melting how bad anime can actually get when you actually start watching some of the bottom of the barrel shit they'll unironically put out.This is true, but in large part to blame on the fact that there is *so much anime* and most of it is done on the cheap, so there are simply more opportunities to be really bad. Whereas western cartoons are much, much, MUCH rarer (Japan makes more Anime in one season than America makes cartoons in like 4 years) and the cartoons that are made are usually top-down company projects that are focus tested to shit which makes them bland and uninteresting but usually prevents them from being truly terrible. Usually.
>>153423540>The average anime is complete fucking dogshit compared to the average cartoonHard disagree there, the average cartoon is just a complete non-entity because no one cares about them enough to even watch them to tell if they're shit. Often times you see a cartoon and think "why the fuck is this even a cartoon, this could have just been a live action show?"Like can you actually say you've watched even a single second of pic related? It isn't like this was some no-name show, fucking Mike Judge worked on this show, have you seen ANYONE talk about it?
>>153420246>Flat buildings boxes.When Japan did it it they did detailed the buildings or at the very least draw more then just boxes.>Catbox is down for uploads>Shitchan still has 4mb limit and no audio.Damn you Tranny Smith, fuck it look at Daicon IV sequences!
>>153403228I'm not okay. I also know Amazon won't do fuck all to fix it though, so I've learned to not care.
>>153423789Surely you can fit whatever example you're trying to show in a 4 MB webm.Don't tell me you're one of those retards who thinks every webm needs to be some 1080p 30 MB monstrosity for 5 seconds of animation.
>>153423904Bet you he fucking is. He also doesn't get that>1. The Simpsons is a simpler art style, and backgrounds are done the same way as the characters, and have been since day one.>2. Background animation in anime is often simplified too unless it's extremely simple pans. Anything more complex and they either need to make it 3D, or simplify it greatly for 2D (or combine the two; like Fireren did a few times during the fight with Revolte and how it shifted from overly detailed paintings to simplified and 3D-assisted drawings like the Simpsons example in several shots)
>>153423684Pretty much, the ratio of good-to-bad anime is pretty low on the "good" side. Hell, "barely passable" can be a miracle sometimes with the amount of genuine slop or contrived plots coming out of the majority of anime.
>>153410454I got what i paid for and didn't spend a dime on this.
>>153403228It's crazy how shit the lighting is and you have the faggots redditors slurping on it like it was a prime desserts
>>153424258The flip side is that for all the generic sloppa anime that comes out, we usually get a couple genuinely great anime a year. Usually anime original passion projects, but there are the landmark high quality adaptations in there as well. They are diamonds in the rough, but diamonds nonetheless. Whereas modern cartoons fail to be great for the same reason they fail to be truly awful: the focus testing pushes them towards the middle and sands off their edges. And they have fewer chances to try for greatness overall. For all its budget and voice talent and the like, invincible *should* have every possible advantage to be the best western animation project in decades... but this is apparently the best we can expect from western animation now. THIS is the maximum the industry can achieve now when money is no object.
>>153406523Studio spends all its money on celebrity voices. Doesn't care about animation quality.
>>153424761>usually get a couple genuinely great anime a year. "great" is an overstatement these days but to each his own>THIS is the maximum the industry can achieve now when money is no object.not really, it's more like what hollywood can achieve. cuckman wants A-list celebrities to be VAs and there is no way in hell it's not sucking up a majority of the budget. which is painfully ironic since the VA work of the last two seasons has been extremely hit or miss.
>>153423684I don't think the issue is cost, I think the issue is writing and the mindset going into it where they're essentially making knock offs of existing things over and over.You can start a random new anime and instantly see they want the DBZ or Naruto or Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest or harem/love triangle audience or even worse when they try to be a comedy and tell the same fucking joke over and over, never watch a bad comedy anime, it is literal hell. Even Family guy at it worst is miles ahead of so much comedy anime it's actually insane.>>153423717To me the average cartoon isn't a tv show but a movie and it's not neccesarily a bad movie but it's not really a good one either so I could at least sit down and watch it in an afternoon by contrast to me the average anime is new saga where it's boarderline unwatchable from beginning to end only because it would put me to sleep at some point.
>>153424923Cuckman funneling money to himself and overpaying VA's instead of people who need a job is so fucking gross. There are shows with a fraction of the budget with way way way higher quality animation.Cuckman hiring actual north korean slaves to work on it knowing how horribly they're treated along with the quality of their product being so low is fucking shameful and I am going to celebrate when he dies. You have millions! Why are you making LITERAL SLAVES work for you??? how gross is this fat white fuck god damn.do you people now know what happens to north korean slaves? they make the japanese work ethic look like a summer vacation.
>>153424953>To me the average cartoon isn't a tv show but a movieThis sounds like a zoomer way of thinking, which makes me suspect of your taste in general.
>>153425006It feels like a lot of studios in america would rather just go with live action over animation so you see a huuge contrast where there'll be a lot of live action stuff and one or two animated things on a given platform, so yeah maybe I am way off because to me western animation is more about movies to me because I just like movies more than tv shows.
>>153403418Can someone genuinely explain why the bottom video IS NOT an improvement? I see tards snark about how it's JJK/anime esque to add a bunch of lighting and shading and my thought is: so fucking what? It absolutely does look better than the current flat lighting. Are we pretending it isn't because of contrarianism?>But the lighting is wrong!A fucking amateur made the bottom version. I can give it some grace>It'll look like a whole different show!And? It's not like the current one isn't memed to death about how shit it looks
>>153425402I think it's because it's clearly just some AI filter, so it looks wonky (like the parts in space that can't figure out what direction the sun is shining from).That said, it's more just that people watching Invincible have no standards for animation, period.
>>153425463It's just a slop cartoon, who even cares about animation? It's meant for kids.
>>153425463That video is still a decent mockup of what could be achieved by professionals. It's not just this thread that weirdly resists this improvement. The original YouTube comments section is filled with these types of people and I have no idea what the fuck their logic is. If the show has such shit animation, why is adding more lighting so bad?
>>153424953>so I could at least sit down and watch it in an afternoonBut you don't even do that.Therein lies the difference.Like people here say "yea, these cartoons aren't bad, they're not unwatchable," but they might as well be if you'll never actually watch them.There's no difference between unwatchable trash and mediocre and forgettable if you're choosing not to watch either of them anyways.
>>153403228A little too much in some places but looks way better over all holy shit.However, invincible is a mid tier comic so it only deserves mid tier animation. Save the lighting for something more worthy
>>153425662>so it only deserves mid tier animation.If only it even had that.Invincible's animation is low-tier most of the time, even by modern standards.There might be a few glimpses of mid-tier animation in the entire show, but they're few and far between.
>>153425662Yeah the only ones that look too much are the first and third ones imo but Amazon needs to step their game up
>>153425577That's just how it goes on this bitch of an earth.When I judge something I'm sounding a bit harsh but what I'm saying is just my opinion, comparitive and not absolute, some people do like the stuff I hate and that's fine. I have more respect for even bad artists that produce something that turned out worse than they thought but are trying than the average person or even worse, someone that wants to make stuff purely through ai (yeah I know ai is a tool blahblahblah, pure ai is retarded.)I have sympathy for artists that get ignored, even if they didn't try their best.
