Tootieschizo spamthread #9

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This is Timmy's last interaction with a female character in official FOP media though

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Headcanon btw

How Tootie felt when Timmy asked her to marry him https://youtu.be/zm0kkeYOnlA?si=oxUi6jViY9eAFIXN&t=48

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>>153409354
Strange, Timmy looks both surprised and distressed.

>>153409522
He looks more like he isn't ready,. I think he's overwhelmed with emotion.

>>153409522
It’s like she swapped out with his intended bride kek

I think there is an alarming number of cartoons and anime that end on the message "stalking is okay if you're an attractive girl because eventually he will have to settle for you"

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>>153409557
I does feels like one of those cartoon scenes were the protagonist is about to marry the girl of his dream but when he lift the veil is someone else in drag.

>>153409354
now draw her pregnant

>>153409603
It’s not that serious, Butch could have done a much better job with the video but being heckin problematic is not one of the things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JchrA-vKNw
This video is from a year ago and argues that the final love interest was blatantly Tootie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgQDUw4qeRI
This video is from a year ago and argues that Trixie's character had already deteriorated so much that it made Tootie obvious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Roz2XEiLv4
This video is from 4 months ago and argues that the obvious answer is Tootie but the answer based on the data he collected makes Vicky an unfortunately possible option


Everyone knew it was Tootie even without citing the Drake Bell Films.

>>153409781
>muh ecelebs from the post-bell era
El oh el

>>153409354
channel chasers chads win again

Channel Chasers is the Terminator 2 of Fairly Odd Parents. Pandering to it is the smart choice. Everyone loves it.

>>153409842
Channel Chasers didn’t confirm a specific girl (although we did win by Timmy being confirmed chad instead of fat ugly bastard).

"Comedy is the lowest form of entertainment, next to animation" - Trixie

She was letting her powerlevel slip. She likes edgy comicbooks and hates funny cartoons

>>153409781
Video 1 references the live action @9:13
Video 3 references the live action @9:39
Video 2 is a Mr. Enter style takedown of Trixie rather than a case for Tootie.

I didn't realize Vicky had a last name

>>153409861
Peak of the series, although I do have a soft spot for School’s Out the Musical and the Video Game episode.

https://litter.catbox.moe/9whkdv7q5d7lcdwq.mp4

Correct me if I'm wrong but this right here is the final moment of Vicky (along with Trixie) overtly caring about Timmy before they both become sociopaths forever

>>153410054
Thereabouts before each character became entirely one note or got snapped out of existence.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/EarlyInstallmentWeirdness/TheFairlyOddParents
Yes Vicky was actually reasonable in the earlier seasons and became more evil over time. For some reason the new videogame used her early season characterization and she can be talked down

>>153409405
>Headcanon
HAHAHAHA TRIXIEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH, DELUSIONAL
When the CREATOR OF THE SHOW says it's true, it's not headcanon, it's just CANON!
TOOTIECHADS WIN ETERNALLY, CRY MORE ABOUT >MUH HEADCANON AND >MUH HAIRBAND, YOU FUCKING LOST

did I miss something? Was FoP resurrected for the millionth time?

>>153410427
You are malding at a FoP director’s tweet btw.

>>153410427
The person calling it headcanon was the episode director and he says that Vicky is the actual wife

>>153410436
Butch put out a video about who Timmy marries and said it’s Tootie.

>>153409603
It's not an educational show your retard. There are no good messages in it. Also, why does nobody think that tootie could have possibly chilled out as she got older?

>>153410427
Least seething tootiephile

>>153410436
a bunch of zoomers and secondaries just discovered they actually should've watched the original seasons before calling themselves fans.

>>153410501
Yeah too many people took the bell movies as gospel.

>>153409603
absolutely, what are you gay

I hope all Trixiefags kill themselves for insisting it was ambiguous

>>153410427
He's right though. Anything not in the show isn't canon.
>But Butch is the creator
Doesn't matter.

>>153410528
It always was and it still was. The only disappointment is closing the bowl, and how poorly executed the video was.

>>153410510
Except they were gospel

>>153410557
Except they weren’t.

>>153410554
The video was perfect. Trixietards are just upset they got breastmogged

>>153410576
>the video was perfect
You may eat the slop but I will not. He didn’t do the pairing justice and he didn’t do the other girls justice either. It was flippant and vague.

>>153410599
What are you talking about? He describe how loving their bond would be l. The other girls don't need "justice" because Timmy won't marry them

Only shipping war I’ve ever seen where the winners are angrier than the losers.

>>153410617
Because it shouldn't have been a war..Tootie was the only option. No one should have ever actually fooled themselves into thinking Trixie had a chance. They're fucking idiots. It's like saying there's a fork found ina kitchen. Everyone knew except retarded Trixiefags who couldn't follow along because they were obsessed with a shitty dated episode about how it's okay for girls to like comics

>Digivolve into a sexy woman

>>153410452
>>153410455
>>153410553
>muh director
Kek, doesn't mean SHIT when compared to the word of the creator! Butch MADE the show, he MADE the setting, his word is fucking law, and that means TOOTIE IS FUCKING CANON
TRIXIEFAGS HAVING MELTDOWNS OVER BUTCH CHADMAN MAKING BEST GIRL 100% CANON!

>>153410614
>He described how loving they are
He sidestepped the dramatic question of the pairing and didn’t explain how either of them developed. He positively referenced the live action movie which completely sidesteps their dynamic by transforming Tootie into a babe, negating any need for character growth at all. He also drew Timmy looking scared at his wedding because he can only think of their same old dynamic, and the cherry on top is he pinned a comment asking commenters to debate how long they last together lmao.
Of course if you’re going to address a 20+ year old burning question you should absolutely address the fans that were attached to each pairing and explore what ifs. Simply stating their one note archetype and moving on is the lowest effort possible (randos on YouTube did this video better).
>>153410654
>Tootie was the only option
Never the case, and nobody ever claimed this was the case until the Bell movies, and that was cope or being a secondary. Your warped worldview is not how the fandom existed all this time. Trixiefags were not the only rival by the way.

>>153410719
Didn’t read but wow that’s a lot of capital letters you should take some deep breaths.

>>153410719
I never said anything about the director.
>his word is fucking law
No it's not. Nickelodeon's word is law, they own the property. Butch can say whatever he likes, but it doesn't mean anything because he doesn't own it. Nickelodeon could put out a new special that has Timmy marry a new character no one has ever heard of it and nothing Butch said would mean anything. That's why i said it's only canon if it's in the show.

>>153410781
I don’t agree but you can look at it this way.

>>153410719
He worked on FOP longer than Butch and still works at Nick meaning he could canonize it if he wanted it

>>153410452
Director is a position for the jewish agenda, lead writer (in the case of television programs this position is entitled "showrunner") is the true weaver of canon.

>>153410887
>The jews are trying to steal my ship
Lol

>>153410899
(((They))) never cease.

>>153410781
The Tootieschizo that writers in all caps is a faggot but you aren't helping your case either with these retarded takes
>Word of god doesn't matter
It does, You can stop coping

>>153411137
NTA yeah I mean that’s not how I look at authorial intent but some people do. I think if you’re willing to headcanon that far you should just enjoy your own ship anyway and not care about canon personally.

>He thought the rich girl who never was interested in Timmy had a chance e

>He’s malding and seething that a love interest was treated as such by the fan base

>>153411877
>Love interest
>Is consistently unobtainable and unsympathetic

>unattainable
No timmy romance was attained in this show. The character did exist for the chase.
>Unsympathetic
Watch the show.

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Stop being obsessed over baby romance on baby cartoons from decades ago, you absolute manchild. It will not restore your early years or fix your romantic frustrations.
Grow up and move on. Be a man.

>>153411928
Trixie was never going to happen. Literally everyone knew it was always Tootie. You're delusional or you just didn't understand the characters

>>153411958
Repeating it a billion times will never make it so. Lurk moar, take your meds.
>>153411936
Jiren? Lost.

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>>153411936
I don't have romantic frustrations, I am sexually attracted to the fictional character.

Jiren won however

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>>153410719
FOP contradicts itself constantly.
>sometimes fairy powers can be used to win a competition
>sometimes people who lose their fairies dont have their memory wiped
>sometimes what their fairies did is reverted, sometimes it isnt
>sometimes Jorgen is a normal fairy with a godkid, sometimes he is basically Fairyworld's king
>sometimes people know what fairies are and sometimes its verboten
>a million character changes
>Cosmo going from car salesman to retard
>Wanda going from ditz to nag
>Vicky going from believable teen girl to chainsaw swinging psycho
>Timmy's parents going from headless to not
Give it a year and Butch will decide Vicky is who Timmy marries or something.

>>153411992
Headcanon
>>153412048
Truth nuke

>>153412153
Doubt it because that would require effort

>>153412167
Did this video with Tootie require effort? He's just doodling and shooting the shit.

>>153412153
FOP is baby's first lore and characterization (just like Sonic)
>It establishes rules early on that make you think you're supposed to keep track of it
>It establishes character flaws and POTENTIAL character arcs (not a single character arc in this entire show will ever be resolved)
>The locations in the world are mostly consistent leading people to think it has consistent world building (it doesn't)

>>153409354
>>153409522
Am I the only one who thinks his older tootie drawing is super ugly? I feel fans have been making cuter older tooties for decades

>>153412183
It took him 20 years to do that

>>153412209
You have to mentally filter everything butch draws

>>153412209
She’s not ugly at all but I don’t like her hair. I prefer older Tootie retaining more of her design elements.

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>>153412209
The weird helmet hair isn't doing her any favors. But I'd chalk that up to being a lightning quick, made in a minute doodle.

I agree with John Fountain. If it was Vicky it would be more compelling. The only reason it's a "problem" is because of the age gap but we know that canonically Timmy overtakes Vicky's height very quickly and by age 30 he's almost twice as tall as she is so aesthetically it's fine.

The ONLY problem I have with the Vicky concept is that Tootie does deserve a happy ending after all she's been through

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>>153412230
>she should have childish pigtails and braces when she's in her mid twenties

>>153412269
Is busty TTootie some kind of porn meme like Misty having a fat ass

>>153412316
I like all of the core 4. Vicky is the absolute madlad choice that forces you to be creative. In that timeline Tootie would need to find her happiness in herself and not in the thought of being with a specific other person. She could be a good detective.

>>153412365
That’s a whole other sentence.
>>153412378
She’s drawn both ways. Really the only body type fanon meme attached to a FOP girl is vickybutt.

Hinata and Tootie are a lesson to little girls that if you're an ugly, creepy slimy little stalker you will grow up hot and your victim will fall for you

>>153412420
I can guarantee butch didn’t think that much into it.
It was funny that he had to clarify that she would not be Timmy’s slave though lmfao

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>>153412378
It's a meme in the sense that the ugly duckling is a cultural meme. The idea that the nerdy girl grows up to be a stacked seductress who mogs "the pretty ones" is a tale as old as time.

>>153412365
Yes.

So my question is this, everyone is rightfully hooked up on the few moments Trixie had of being sympathetic, what about Vicky? It turns out she has quite a lot of moments where she was affectionate, understanding, or even protective of Timmy. What the fuck happened to her? Even Channel Chasers which is the golden boy to all FOP fans made Vicky out to be Hitler

>>153412380
I think it would be interesting if Timmy and Vicky did love each other, but it's that toxic kind of love where they have such glaring personality flaws or differences it often turns their marriage into something more akin to an ongoing rivalry or competition. Then Tootie is on the outside dedicating her life to helping them and helping them fix problems without making it too obvious, since she cares about them both and can't accept any other way to live.

>>153412412
That's probably because Vicky's butt is a plot device

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>>153412506
Half the vickyfags like that she’s evil and embrace hitler vicky.
But there are fans that latched onto the bug butt and we hugged stuff.
She gets /ss/fags, enemies to loversfags, age gap dramafags, and a common fantasy is the two connecting when Timmy is older and we see her tender side. Sometimes it’s I can fix her sometimes it’s step on me mommy.

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>>153412028
Quiet, you moedog. Your fatherless freak. You laughingstock of your family. You moepedo freak. Your life will fall apart the very moment your parents die because a failed man like you obviously can't sustain yourself and live spamming trash and living in your pathetic wonderland about romance with cartoons to cover the fact you're lonely and miserable. End yourself out of pity and meet your disappointed parents in afterlife one day.

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>>153409781
>second video
>Sarcastic Chorus

>>153412412
The butt makes sense since in CC her butt fills out when she ages up

Though going by ANW adult Vicky looks nearly identical to her teenage years just with slight bags under her eyes

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>>153412568
It all ends in death anyway, so there's no need to be worried over that. I understand you don't understand my happiness, and that you will parry any attempt at conveyance, so I will not try. Memento mori, et carpe diem.

>>153412222
True honestly still shocks me how bad his colors are, reminds me of how a young me colored and I'm not even a big traditional colorer anymore.
>>153412230
Yeah really the big hair is so weird like idk what he was thinking for her. I feel giving her a pony tail or something would be better. Feels like some old hair style or something idk
>>153412269
True it's pretty obvious as I said in another thread it's basically butch just wanting attention, like when he made some random danny phantom lore canon without thinking of how it'd effect the series just to try and be like
>How does it do fellow kids

>>153412581
Did you enjoy the videos you saw

Dragonball is just fightmoe thoughbeit.
You fags have the same level of characterfaggotry and you even avatarfag and come up with theoretical fightships in your head to argue about.
Roshibro btw, fuck grand turd fuck shitper fuck diaper. Torishima was right it should have been Goku/Bulma and Bejita should have gotten with Launch.

>>153412362
The one flaw of the canon tootie/timmy which is the live action/movie canon. She really is pathetic as she goes to college gets her life together has a job and everything but timmy is a 23 year old who lives with his parents and is in 5th grade. Like the concept implies she's so desperate for her ex crush she'll get with a complete loser with not a single prospect who is the worst version of timmy aka modern super bratty selfish dickish timmy the one who's almost a bully.

Felt like a whole thing of a girl dating down so bad, reminds me of when a nerd guy gets rich or works hard then still somehow ruins his life getting with a girl that was terrible to him in HS or young adult life. I've known many guys like this sadly the girl will treat them like shit and they keep going back and half the time they aren't even dating. It's the part of the whole "you'll turn it around later in life thing" they don't tell you. Why I feel kind of bad for movie tootie she deserves better if she was getting with channel chaser timmy then that'd be a more well adjusted timmy.
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>>153412474
The irony being that tootie mostly gets mogged in FOP porn/nsfw, theirs more art and fics of timmy x vicky and trixie than tootie. Mostly because realistically she's kind of too meh. Fans have to do a lot of headcanoning to make her cool or likeable which is hilarious. Butch made the fatal flaw of a love interest making her a woeisme character, tootie realistically has no interest or traits outside of timmy and no personality either. She's not a nerdy best friend who he can relate to in comics or sci fi media, honestly why trixie still has a thread every few months is because she really has the potential to be a best girl just hidden behind her social phobia of being a loser.

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>>153412592
Delusion and dopamine are not true happiness, escapist loser. You will never run away from your reality.

>>153412650
Not my pic

>>153412662
interesting points all around, honestly

>>153412662
The drake bell movies did tootie/timmy so fucking dirty which is why I wish Butch distanced his description of their future from that rather than embracing it.
He also did the other routes so dirty.

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>>153412694
You fail to comprehend, and will ever fail to comprehend. I don't think people like you have the capacity to think in abstract layers. You can continue to toss accusation after accusation, but you are raging against a totem of your own design. There is no communication here, because you cannot grasp what I am.

>>153412662
>tootie realistically has no interest or traits outside of timmy and no personality either
they tried to fix that in her birthday episode where its revealed she's too selfless to have fairies because she thinks it's "wrong" to keep them a secret

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>>153412777
All you irl Tooties will NEVER get with your respective Timmys, and shame on Hartman for giving you all false hope.

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>>153412816
No, that's not how the interplay works. You're supposed to inquire, "And what are you, then?" so I may slyly retort, "Happy." and vanish into the wind.

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>>153412662
>She's not a nerdy best friend who he can relate to in comics or sci fi media, honestly why trixie still has a thread every few months is because she really has the potential to be a best girl just hidden behind her social phobia of being a loser.

Yeah this is the thing about Trixie. For some reason they never tried to give Tootie actual nerd traits, Tootie just resembles a nerd but she isn't actually geeky. Trixie will (usually for the sake of a joke but still) say things that are pretentious or snobby like when she said she finds Comedy to be a pathetic form of entertainment.

>>153412815
Yeah that’s at least something. FOP fans can work with very little.

>>153412662
Tootie basically lives in hell with Vicky so every time we see her personality outside of obsessing over Vicky it's trying to do whatever she thinks is the right thing which IS a distinct character trait in the context of FOP but when you question what she'd be like without Vicky the answer seems to just be another Chloe.

>>153412815
No because that's what I mean sadly anon

Tootie's personality is literally
>My life sucks
>I love timmy
>I'm too nice
That's what I meant as a woeisme character her whole character is she's too good to be real or has a sad life every tootie ep is timmy pity dating/doing something for her. Honestly idk why they didn't do what they did with chloe with tootie, give her a bit of a character arc by making her get fairies or anti fairies maybe they try to corrupt her or something etc. As she's already basically chloe just with a crush on timmy
>>153412710
Thanks anon, I do want to like tootie some artist draw her so cute like gara and even some older tootie art is fun. But in hindsight somehow trixie the rich bitch is more dynamic character wise than tootie. It's so easy too just make tootie one of timmy's friends who is smart or nerdy but he knows she's crushing on him so he doesn't like her.
>>153412727
Wait what do you mean? Also but didn't that new shitty live action FOP show say tootie and timmy were still together? and that's why he gave cosmo and wanda to his cousins?

Also that show was weird asf made vicky love crocker so weird

I just want more fan content of any pairing really. Hopefully the alt shippers still keep at it anyway but I expect more tootie lewds.

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>>153412888
Based. I am also on team "I don't care who, so long as Timmy is getting his dick wet"
honestly I think Veronica is the most enrapturing choice for my muse, but also not a serious choice

>>153412881
>what do you mean
The live action movies went with Timmy and Tootie and the solution was Tootie goes through puberty while Timmy is a manchild. I was lamenting the fact that it didn’t tackle the love obstacles of the ship (Tootie being too obsessive, Timmy being too shallow) and offscreened them instead for a completely different and less interesting schlubby bub gets the childhood friend story.
And I was lamenting the fact that in the new video Butch cited it as a reference point instead of clarifying a better resolution for them. He also did a poor job addressing Trixiefags and Veronica/Vicky didn’t even make the paper.

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Chloe has less than 100 results on rule 34 despite being the main character of one of the most popular cartoons in history and existing for a decade at this point. Her design is simple and easy to age up into an attractive woman. Literally just a blonde girl with long curly hair. Nobody was into it. The only people who draw porn of her are people who already make tons of porn of FOP

>>153412836
Yeah again I know trixie is the main love interest but still can do something for Tootie, especially if she's the end goal

But really trixie is great because of her dichotomy why so many people write fics and do art on fixing her I mean look at simons comics and camp sherwood both are all about trixie's potential as a character. Plus really if only FOP wasn't written by hartman I think we'd get to see some fun looks into these characters, idk what type of eps I'd want from trixie but at least she had some well rounded potential but they all become one note as the series goes on also butch admitted he hated the characters having character. He even hated chester for some reason
>>153412864
I get she lives in constant hell of vicky as well but still that's not really the trait of anything btu a victim for the hero to save. I wouldn't think of her much after that like "cool hero saved little baby criesalot, welp off to the next episode" I wouldn't care if she got her own episode. Also tootie is ruined by the fact in the few times she does get to spend time with timmy she's a bit of a brat even in the early seasons. She annoys him and then the lesson is "feel bad for the annoying girl because she gets abused at home" it again falls a bit under forced or a "ahhhh poor me" vibe. I'm not saying I despise tootie I think she can work just that she is the most 1 note of the og kids even in the early seasons she's just a victim for a episode to move forward and to make timmy feel bad for rejecting her

>>153412989
She’s the last in a long line of scrappy doos and way too late in the timmy bowl to really pick up traction. She’s cute but bland. Had she been introduced instead of Poof or Sparky and had just a bit more going on she coulda been a strong contender.

>>153412989
she became a character after the show became forgettable and unfunny

>>153412999
As always we fopfags have to accept that a lot of our love for the characters is unrealized potential. I wish ANW focused on the og cast and did more character stuff, imagine the fucking threads

>>153412209
Fan aged up designs are often better than "official" designs because
- creators deliberately try to not copy fan designs. Trust me, they look at fan content more than you think
- they try to be 'quirky' or 'unexpected'
- they're actually just drawing someone on the design team in their style
- fans are gooners who max for the most appeal, creators are beholden to corporate board room slop so they can't be too outrageous
Some combination of the above
>>153412230
I'm stunned people don't seem to understand or are too pedo cunny brained that they've forgotten most of the hot cheerleader/sexo types looked like goblins when they were prepubescent girls
I know this is 4chan and people lust for lolis and shotas here, but have you ever actually looked at or had children? They aren't sexy in the slightest and I never understood what pedos saw in them. Timmy's hormonal and sees girls aged 13-17 as hot because they've actually filled out, meanwhile the goblo-dork who's still a pre-pubescent kid like him looks like sludge
Then he grows up and it turns out Tootie fills out just like Trixie because shocker, she undergoes puberty
> True it's pretty obvious as I said in another thread it's basically butch just wanting attention, like when he made some random danny phantom lore canon without thinking of how it'd effect the series just to try and be like
QRD?

>>153412960
Yep yep, also again still feel tootie in the live action actually deserves better, she becomes a success and moves out goes to school gets a job but gets with a selfish shallow manchild who is in 5th grade who curved her all of her childhood. It's the nerd gets with the popular girl in his late 20s but worse.

I think tootie and timmy could work just butch hates character arcs or depth he's a very shallow writer most of his best content comes from having a good crew that do the work while he fucks off
>>153412888
Unironically think tootie has the least anyway, I do think she'll get a slight boost but ironically so far it's just been pin ups.
>>153412925
Really the vicky timmy thing being most popular besides trixie proves this most just want some timmy getting some puss, and dominating/harem or /ss/ stuff.

I respect another veronica bro, she deserves better I do want to make some content for FOP myself but a bit busy today.
>>153412989
She's after sparky anon she stands no chance but you aren't looking at the right sites if you are only finding 100 images though if you want aged up that is the problem most people that like chloe sexually ain't aging her up bro.

But really she could work, but she's more of a you want timmy to shut her up or fuck the jolly out of her ass type vibe. Good girl bad boy idk but you really need to do what fans did for veronica or trixie really pitch chloe many draw fags love draawing FOP

>>153412662
>The one flaw of the canon tootie/timmy which is the live action/movie canon. She really is pathetic as she goes to college gets her life together has a job and everything but timmy is a 23 year old who lives with his parents and is in 5th grade.
Because Nickelodeon/Western cartoon's comedy is "mischievous boys grow up to become pathetic failures"
That's like the most stock thing in Western animation canon that your loser boy protagonist is going to become a fat ugly failure to launch slob, but in actuality when the show finally does canonically show him grown up at the end, he's actually super successful

>>153413093
>Cartoons should conform to irl logic
I simply like the abstract elements implied in Tootie’s design and that’s the character I’m used to. Mario might decide that he looks like a goober wearing overalls and you know what mustaches are so 2005 but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t rather have mario look like mario. Character designs are part of the appeal of a character. I know why logically Butch went that way, still not my preference.

>>153410794
You don't have to agree, it's just the way it is. Nickelodeon has final say and that's really all there is to it.
>>153411137
>>Word of god doesn't matter
Are you retarded? I'm saying it does, just that Butch isn't "god" in this case. Nickelodeon is. Because they own it.
Right, let's say Disney makes a Gravity Falls spinoff and doesn't involve Hirsch, and he tweets that it's not canon. Guess what, that doesn't mean shit because he doesn't own it.
Butch doesn't have final say over canon is my whole point. Some fucking suits do, and his status as creator doesn't really matter.
The reason I said only the things that are actually in the show are what's canon is because creators change their mind about this shit too. Will he? I don't know, probably not, but that's still a possibility, or it might get vetoed by some suit who's like
>Actually you know, I don't like Tootie. She's not going to appear in the show anymore
And guess what? That's it, Tootie's gone. It's not a part of the show, it's just something the creator said, like Dumbedore being a fag. Who fucking cares, he doesn't so much as pat Harry's ass even once, like geez, how am I supposed to know he fucks dudes? Like maybe if he took a pass on Draco's dad or something, yeah, that makes sense, but that shit didn't happen. It's not a part of the actual work, so it doesn't really have any weight.

>>153412960
>Veronica/Vicky didn’t even make the paper.
Well, yeah, of course they didn't make the paper. You'd have to be retarded or too goonerbrained to think Vicky was even in the race. As for Veronica, wasn't her crush on Timmy a one or two off joke? It could be that Butch legitmately forgot about her even remotely liking Timmy because of her infrequent appearances.

I feel the weird, Mexican fan base for FOP has really damaged people's perceptions. It wasn't some crazy deep show, or some weird harem thing. There was really only two viable outcomes for Timmy, personally I feel including Chloe was generous of Butch.

>>153413069
New wish honestly did well once they made dev more of a antagonist, really proved timmy chloe could work just needed to be more of a rivalry but alas ANW is dead too. But got ttons of ship art really proves how little people cared til dev came in most fics and art are ironically not about the mc girl but about dev dominating her or getting with her. Remember the first good new wish art is by gara and it's of dev fucking a collared hazel

I do think FOP is a series that lives off the first like 3........to 4 seasons as S4 was around the time butch admitted he started working on danny and didn't care as much. Plus he also didn't like chester or aj for some reason it was thelast truly decent season then s5 was poof I believe. Most butch shows should be accepted as "fixiable" but again I never blame the crew like danny phantom used to have real ghost and soft ghost death lore but butch said nuh muh christian vibes and made it a stupid pocket universe/alt dimension literally the dumbest decision ever.
>>153413093
To be fair on last bit he literally is doing it for fun so not like it's beholden. But I can see this just still could do more, also someone on the design team is honestly weirder somehow idk why. Like always weird when they put team members in the show as main side characters. I think as goofy bg characters is cool but look at the ppg reboot

Overall still seen many aged up designs by artist that were fine this one just feels a bit meh but as anons said he 100% rushed it

On the danny thing when he tried to add in a super fan theory that's honestly obscure asf btu basically danny's long lost brother shit it was very weird thing to even remotely try and add. He later said it was just him trying to mix in fanon but it was super unwell recieved as most fans didn't even know it only super into the fandom fans knew about this oc/concept and it came from a massive meme. Literally he did that also did a few other side things as well.

>>153413237
If Butch wasn’t equipped to address the fanbase on our own terms he should have just not done the video. Heck, the question was always better than the answer, even if he aced the video and did a great job.
I am not nor have I ever been a mexican.

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>>153413126
I kind of miss the american psycho timmy one that was rich. Also channel chaser is the true canon ending to me

But think the western boy becomes failure to launch is super new remember pre 2010s most mcs grew up to be chads or at least average guys. The whole becoming a failed adult just for sequel bait is super new

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Vicky tied for 1st though

The thing is when you look at them at face value, as in the whole franchise in amalgamation and what Butch says he intends, Trixie looks more shallow than Tootie, but in those fleeting moments of their episodes Trixie had a richer characterization that was screaming to escape and got locked behind the rich girl stereotype while Tootie was usually a one-note stalker (Yes, STALKER) joke who was airdropped gift after gift from the narrative
Tootie doesn't have depth even in her best episodes, Timmy does. Timmy reflecting on the fact that the worst part of his week is her every waking minute is depth for TIMMY, not Tootie. You could put ANYONE in Tootie's place and their behavior would mostly be the same. Timmy learns to tolerate Tootie's bullshit out of pitty because she's basically being fucking tortured. Having an unwanted hug from time to time is nothing compared to what Vicky does to her so her entire character revolves around being pitied and suffering.

>>153413336
I like how everyone on twitter is either ignoring this or being like "What the fuck John" but realistically his word should outweigh Butch since he actually continues to work for nickelodeon while Butch doesn't and as someone posted earlier current FOP videogames pair Timmy with Vicky

>>153413383
>realistically his word should outweigh Butch
Showrunner trumps director handily in terms of steering the ship. And what someone else does to your legacy will never actually matter, consigned to deuterocanon.

>>153412989
Chloe's problem is that she was made way too late. If she'd been around before Channel Chasers and her introductory episode didn't suck ass I guarantee she'd have been much more popular

>>153413383
>realistically his word should outweigh Butch since he actually continues to work for nickelodeon
There is no reality where Nickelodeon would greenlight Vicky winning. Even though Fountain works still for Nick, he only worked on like 9-10 episodes of FOP? That hardly makes his word carry that much weight.

>>153412581
I dunno about the others, but Sarcastic Chorus sorta low-key blamed Tootie existing on why Trixie got written poorly, which is a total load of shit. Trixie had maybe twice the amount of appearances as Tootie had, and they never interacted.

She fucked her own self up.

>>153413383
>current FOP videogames pair Timmy with Vicky
Wait, really?

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>John F
is this some sort of meme now to pretend this guy was important? when he was actually just a storyboarder that got fired in the third season and has been whining online ever since

if Marmel said something, it might have weight, this guy is a total nobody / clout parasite

>>153413499
>butthurt shipper makes outlandish unsubstantiated claim in a post-sinking gamethread
What do you think?

>>153413552
I mean for supopsedly having "won" the Tootie shippers are being pretty butthurt as well. This whole thing seems to just have made everyone anal pained.

>>153413499
>>153409399

>>153412378
It was. Now it's canon.

Though Daniella Monet having fat tits primed the pump too.

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>>153413581
doesn't this mean tootie is spanish

>>153413605
She's Italian, not Spanish.

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>>153409399
Timmy actually looks happy here holding hands with Vicky. Meanwhile with Tootie he almost looks sad.

>>153413625
I swear this only happened because the writer of the game didn't know Vicky is significantly older than Timmy

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>>153413625
>the creator........................................... le meant something else than what he said verbally

no one cares about your shitty game, mate
didnt one of these games have Vicky's mom look exactly like her but the characters saying she looks like Tootie?
gameDevs that have never watched the material make these nick shovelslop games

Why do Tootie fags gotta be so rude and obnoxious? Your poorly written ship was given a pity win because Butch Hartman is a biased Tootie fag.

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>>153413622
>YOUR ITALIAN AND YOU MARRY A BALDING FAT GUY IN A SLEEVELESS SHIRT, EVERYONE THINKS YOU'RE A MOB WIFE
>ITS A STEREOTYPE, AND ITS OFFENSIVE!

>Butch (who is retired from Nickelodeon forever) is allowed to dictate
>Videogame that was produced by Nickelodeon a short while ago is not allowed to dictate
Vickybros we might actually have an in

>>153413679
Reads like smelly false flag posting to me

Vicky is mischaracterized in that game. She turns around completely just because Timmy invited her to hang out

>>153413648
Oh hey Butch, I didn't realize you browsed 4chan. Hey, how's Oaxsis doing buddy?

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>waaah tootiefags
Blame Butch, not us

Hartman’s headcanon is great and all but I prefer mine.

>>153413750
99% of you are alright.

>>153413237
exactly

The anti tootie shippers are so mindbroken that they think Hartman's decision to pair timmy and tootie together is headcanon, holy kek. Hartman created the show so his decision is Canon.

>>153413269
exactly

>No the wizards really shat themselves it’s true
Okay JK, time for bed.

>>153413793
Butch didn't make the show by himself. It was a team effort.

Can’t tell who’s trolling anymore

Why is a YouTube video by Butch more canon than an official game

>>153413625
>>153409399
The artstyle makes me think this is some AI slop.
>>153413640
I could only see this working with The Switch Glitch Vicky.

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What are we missing in terms of copes from the FOPpenning?
>Timmy/Tootie will get divorced
>the video isn't canon
>stalker crush winning sets a bad example
>Timmy had to "settle"
>Hartman's own words and him saying its canon aren't canon
>Timmy is only falling for Tootie because of puberty bazongas
>Tootiefags are sore winners / guilt tripping anyone taking a victory lap
>an irrelevant storyboarder who changes his opinions every 5 seconds and pimped out his daughter's artwork supports an edgelord ship instead to farm engagement
>the Drake Bell movie is what caused everyone to think Tommy and Tammy are Tootie's kids
>the video was underwhelming / not long enough / didn't discuss tomboy Trixie
>Tootie's design might change and make her tits smaller when its refined


Nothing can overcome this singular image though. It's going to be posted in FOP threads (along with >>153413648) until the sun goes main sequence to subgiant, and you'll never be able to refute it no matter how many copes you cook up.

I'd hate to be a ship loser, but I only ever pick winners it seems.

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>>153413862
trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

>>153413913
he dresses his daughter like trixie because he still lovers her

>>153413913
>irrelevant storyboarder
Are you serious

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>>153409354
feel like this is being intentionally spammed on this board but I dont even mind because Chloe came out the other side looking good, it's like completing a redemption arc

>>153413980
Character development

>>153413930
I haven't heard that one yet, should it be added to the list?

>>153413995
Tootie doesn't have that. She just got hot to make it easier for Timmy to settle for her since he has no other option.

>>153413980
Imagine this is your stalker. You'd need to be gay to turn her down

>>153413913
>Timmy is only falling for Tootie because of puberty bazongas

This is the stupidest one I've heard. The guy who was in the thread the other day was acting like a total faggot about this.

Imagine the Peri thing happened and you had one persistent faggot making up over half the replies in several bump-limited threads saying that Poof should have remained shaped like a ball. I can see if this was blatantly fanservicey, but Butch just gave Tootie a nice figure and that's really it, it's not really that big of a deal.

>>153413913
>Timmy/Tootie will get divorced
Butch asked the question, it’s up for interpretation.
>the video isn't canon
Tier 2 canon.
>stalker crush winning sets a bad example
Nobody cares about this.
>Timmy had to "settle"
Undetermined.
>Hartman's own words and him saying its canon aren't canon
Tier 2 canon.
>Timmy is only falling for Tootie because of puberty bazongas
Accurate to the film which Butch referenced in the video, and the only reference point we have to go off of. Technically the question is in limbo, but the other side has no basis besides you wish it were so.
>Tootiefags are sore winners
Very accurate so much seethe.
>an irrelevant storyboarder who changes his opinions every 5 seconds and pimped out his daughter's artwork supports an edgelord ship instead to farm engagement
Cope framing. He’s also a tier 2 source.
>the Drake Bell movie is what caused everyone to think Tommy and Tammy are Tootie's kids
Accurate.
>the video was underwhelming / not long enough / didn't discuss tomboy Trixie
Yes the video was extremely poorly done.
>Tootie's design might change and make her tits smaller when its refined
Probably true if she got animated but irrelevant.

You promising to be a nuisance is acknowledged.

>>153414012
Tootie's character development literally only needed to be "Just calm down a little bit, bitch". Like anyone could have inferred she'd likely do this when she became an adult.

I'm sorry but Tootie deserves to grow up beautiful after the hell she suffered. The last thing she needs is to be insecure about her looks

>>153414072
>Tier 2 tier 2 tier 2
The glorious word deuterocanon is right there and you choose tiersareforqueers

>>153414038
Didn’t watch the live action movie award. Doesn’t know the precedence was set award. Has no argument award.

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>>153414072
Behold, the bigger /co/per in history.

>>153414086
Tier 2 and below is all deuterocanon.
>>153414092
Behold, no substance.

A lot of you aren't understanding that anons point. FOP established that Timmy will go after any hot girl, it also established that he does not think Tootie is attractive. So Tootie becoming attractive has a potential negative implication based on Timmy's character. She doesn't have to be ugly, but it's better for Timmy to fall for her before that beauty triggers.

>>153414127
Yes. The Timmy/Tootie ship is good because Timmy becomes less shallow and Tootie becomes less obsessive. It implies the need for growth. The LA film skipped that story and Tootie is just hot now and Timmy’s new issue is being a manchild and Tootie’s new issue is nothing. It got offscreened.

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>blaming Tootiebros because one Trixieschizo keeps single handedly sending these threads to the bump limit, ergo trolls keep remaking them

>>153414157
Yeah it's effectively like a story about Timmy trying to get Trixie instead of learning to accept Tootie

>>153414127
Timmy dislikes Tootie (As a kid) for all the same reasons he dislikes Veronica, a total hottie. Plus she's Vicky's sister. Tootie's appearance never really is brought up, in fact, she's never actually been called ugly like her sister has by other characters.

The Vicky cope is 10 times worse than the Trixie cope, at least Trixie fans have some substance to their arguments, Vickyfags are just insane.

>>153414166
Tootiebros aren’t being blamed, there is really only one terrible one here who spams and instigates and falseflags incessantly (has done so for years). I do not accept the label of trixiebro, I like all four main ships.
While I do post actively I’m also not alone in what I’m saying at all.
>Trolls
He’s a fop thread regular and he’ll do what he does with or without me.

>>153413913
>Timmy had to settle
>but him getting a total hottie is bad too

Weird that the copes conflict with each other so much. Like why are people trying to act high and mighty over their stance of shipping on a silly comedy cartoon

>>153414197
The director of the show says it's Vicky.

>>153414184
Timmy likes hot chicks.
Tootie is on Timmy’s dick.
Either she ain’t hot, or he finds her personality that repulsive.
However you want to slice it, there’s a character arc there.
The live action went from ugly to hot.

>>153414184
Timmy didn't like Tootie trying to fuck him all the time until she turned hot

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Chloe has some of the cutest art, it's a shame it's almost entirely in harem images

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>>153414211
Maybe, but have you ever considered its also
>this is probably the hottest subject FOP and Nickelodeon has had in a long time
>hell, it might be the single biggest happening the FOP fandom, period
>the biggest whiners in the thread have been Trixiefags and Vickyfags
especially the last point. by thread #3 and #4 it had evolved from "Tootie won" to "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA TSUNDEREFAGGOTS LOST" because trolls can't help themselves when the bait is that easy, the fish that fat and plentiful

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>>153413980

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>>153414233
It’s almost like ‘tallying copes’ out of context is just boogiemanning a diverse set of opinions and falling into the goomba fallacy.

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>>153414287
Chloe has gotten a lot of great standalone art in the past couple years, I think her reception has finally turned around

The second coming of Naruhina

>>153414292
I have considered that the pattern of FOP thread behavior that has held for years will continue to hold, especially at a significant time.
Substantive discussion and criticism isn’t whining. You can also see when the threads get better when that particular tootiefag sleeps or takes a break.

Why is Chloe even in the video when she's fucking blonde and can't possibly produce Tommy

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>>153414307
>diverse set of opinions
Really most of them just boil down to "I feel insecure about Tootie getting any sort of positive reaction". It isn't even the FOPpenning that caused this either, it's always been like that from a few people, since before even the Drake Bell movies I recall.

>>153414350
>Really most of them boil down to [strawman I just made up]
The actual anti-tootie drivebys have been miniscule. Most of the criticism isn’t even criticizing her character.

>>153414347
Blonde is recessive, so is red hair. Timmy’s dad has black hair. The genetics argument has always been silly. Taken to its logical conclusion you can write off Mandie or a fairy girl.

Tootie was a victim of 2010s youtubers treating her as if she was an actual real human stalker and not an exaggerated cartoon character performing silly antics to the extreme. The same thing happened to Amy Rose

>>153414402
Ranttubers are retarded, more at 11. She is a cartoon stalker which is different. Could be addressed, but it isn’t a heckin problematic couple because of it.

>>153414235
>The director of 8 episodes of the entire series says it's Vicky
Fixed that for you

>>153414402
>2010s youtubers treating her as if she was an actual real human
>and not an exaggerated cartoon character performing silly antics to the extreme.
The same thing happened to Chloe
She's never gonna live down the fucking president phone call for some reason

>>153414420
Tootie is also extremely tame compared to other examples from that era. She would try to kiss Timmy but never succeed or force herself upon him like the Kankers or Pucca would.

>>153414235
Yes and he sounds insane

>>153414450
Lucky for you, I like crazy.

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>>153409603
i think this might be the most smoothbrain cope that keeps getting posted here on /co/mblr

tootie canonically was never a stalker, butch didnt mention that trait of hers once kek. it's something completely made up by mr. enter and other fandom turboautists, it has no bearing on her actual character (vicky's sister who is opposite of her). it's actual clinically severe autism or jaded shipper asshurt to still be saying this after Hartman's video refuted it directly.
>>153414402
this basically

>>153414435
Chloe and Tootie were both unfairly treated by rantsonas which is weird since they usually had enough awareness to write off Trixie using an attack helicopter on Timmy as her being mischaracterized for a gag

>>153414461
>tootie canonically was never a stalker
She was definitely a cartoon stalker archetype. Him not bringing up her growing up is a flaw of the video, not an indication that her character was something else. It’s not made up, it’s just taken too literally and too seriously. I’d say the same thing about Vicky, she is a cartoon bully, not to be treated as a serious child abuser, but her route is lacking if it’s not addressed at all.

>>153414461
Mr "Why didn't Turning Red acknowledge the political fury revolving around 9/11" Enter was probably imagining an actual girl harassing him in particular and projecting that onto the show. He is weird like that. He is probably imagining it in the context of real children being sexually harassed instead of Tootie trying to get affection from the only positive outlet in her life

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>>153414499
Peoples nega-headcanons about certain characters got SLIMED harder than jhonen getting punched into the nick slime fountain by butch.
their response rather than accepting it is "Now BUTCH must have his OWN headcanon!" its peak insanity.

>>153414511
Severe autists do this with female characters all the time, tsunderes are their kryptonite they say the same stuff about Helga. They can’t deal with derederes who are too aggressive either. They can’t comprehend cartoon logic and abstraction. If you take FoP too literally pretty much everyone is terrible.

>>153414499
>serious child abuser, but her route is lacking if it’s not addressed at all.
This is something I've always noticed about Vicky. She will "torture" Timmy by chasing him around with fire or putting him in uncomfortable situations and she is explicitly evil in the show but she never does anything like actually strike Timmy. She will tie him up or swing a spiky bat at him but never actually land the hit. It's not like this is a censorship thing. Francis is allowed to hit Timmy directly in the show. Vicky has hit other characters like Mark and Vicky apparently knows martial arts but she can never actually land one on Timmy.

Vicky also panics whenever Timmy is actually in mortal danger like in Wishology.

>Mr. Enter shit on Tootie

This is one of those things I'm not sure of. He definitely misrepresented her in Love Struck, which wasn't a bad episode at all and in retrospect he sort of forced himself to review that, but he also cites her as being a better alternative than Chloe. I think the Love Struck video was mostly Enter's editor, BrendanInsane (who made his own reviews that definitely come off as a derange anti-Tootie) letting his opinions bleed through. I don't think Mr. Enter has any strong opinions on the matter, although its fun to laugh at him regardless because that Love Struck review is retarded for both the shipping takes and the pearl clutching about stereotypes.

>>153414530
Butch hardly addressed anything past a surface level. There wasn’t much btfoing going on at all, just a lack of context or care or fandom awareness.
Butch’s statements have precedence as tier 2 canon, only below that of the series itself. Some people do believe in death of the author or tier 1 only. I don’t, but that is a thing that exists. Fountain seems to be one such person.

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>tier 2 canon

This is the new /k/ope word of the day huh

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>>153414469
I think a part of it is that they are all shit at reviewing and only got authority because they had youtube channels. So they overly moralized things, took things literally, and didnt understand basic storytelling. Especially in a show like FoP that exaggerates everything. They then passed this dumb shit on to the rest of the fanbase. Which lead to:
>she's an evil stalker harassing Timmy and not just a girl with a crush
>she's a mary sue and its not just that the whole point of the story is Timmy thinks she's perfect and has to learn that she's got problems too

It's also why they say shit like that Timmy is an evil psycho and that Poof ruined Cosmo and Wanda's marriage (something invented out of thin air). Though funny enough you never hear Timmy get accused of stalking and harassing Trixie so they cant be together.

>>153414579
You’ve never heard of tiered canonicity before? Welcome to the big leagues.
https://wiki.evageeks.org/Theory_and_Analysis:What_Is_Canon%3F

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>>153414297

>>153414292
>>this is probably the hottest subject FOP and Nickelodeon has had in a long time
>>hell, it might be the single biggest happening the FOP fandom, period
That's honestly pretty fucking sad, like holy shit dude. I get that FOP is a pretty mid tier show at the very best, but goddamn man how is this the biggest fucking thing to ever happen to it?

>>153414579
I agree that the video is valid but tier two canon is definitely a real thing. It's just that in this case it's the correct thing because nothing in the show contradicts it, so its not a defense for Trixie.

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>Tootie is an ebil stalker
>The children in Channel Chasers were ambiguous
>Trixie's comic book plot is a non-factor

Six minutes. Six minutes is all it took for some of the biggest, decades long persisting fanons to die. Just from a few words by the creator.

Storyboardcucks.... why are creatorchads so powerful...?

>>153414638
We’re an old creaky fanbase that have been at this game for a long time, kept entertained by fan works, some of which are actually good, and the room to play and argue over these underdeveloped characters that have potential.

>>153414659
>isn't a non-factor*

>>153414659
None of those topics were addressed in the video. There was no btfoing, just a lack of care.

>>153414644
Absolutely not a defense of any alt ship, I brought it up because the fountain ‘this is butch’s headcanon’ defense, while an extremist position, does exist elsewhere. Hardcore death of the author people tend to be on the fringes though, only breaking into the mainstream when a fanbase really doesn’t want dumbledore to be gay for example.

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>>153414638
I mean, 3 bump limit threads in 48 hours is pretty fast for modern day /co/. This isn't a show that aired a finale recently, or really had any material since ANW. Yet it's getting a level of engagement that dwarfs last month's nationally televised shitstorm of a fandom schizo threatening Hazel's VA.

I told you guys years ago that Timmy's love life is the show's true soul. It's like removing Winnie from The Wonder Years. It's like Billy and Mandy where Mandy goes missing halfway through. The decision to remove Vicky, Tootie, Trixie, etc, in favor of creepy old guys is one of the worst decisions in all of western cartooning. TGAMM creators might be the only ones who fucked up quicker and more dramatically.

Timmy can have Tootie. Trixie, Veronica, Vicky, Chloe, Carley, Missy and Molly are for me.

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>>153414682
>Butch didn't care about my compartmentalized personnel headcanon
No shit.
That's the point.
Butch basically told you about the characters what you could have read for yourself in FOP's pitch bible when it leaked a year or so ago.
The video was not just about confirming Tootie, but dispelling delusions about these characters that have been built up by fans for years.

>>153414789
Remember when butch retweeted this picture? and the happy merchant was still there? please someone tell me they have that screencap

>>153414753
It’s true. As schizophrenic as it looks to the outside, the fop fanbase are characterfags and that’s the lasting draw. The franchise has unmet potential, in this case fans like to fill that hole and wonder what if.

24 episode harem anime that ends with Timmy picking tootie

>>153414753
Holy fuck that's awful. Like, the premise at least had some potential but all anyone cares about is stupid shipper drama about some dumb little retard who would get hit by a truck crossing the street.

so we're just not going to acknowledge vicky being totally legitimate now

>>153414789
>Butch the boomer having a goof and putting in as little effort as possible confirms MY headcanons over YOURS!
No it doesn’t. Nothing was dispelled, you’re ironically doing the same thing I am doing, wishing there was more to the video than we actually got.
No matter how much you insist over and over, I have not told a lie.

>>153414832
It’s acknowledged.
>>153414827
Well of course the premise informs the scenario, it’s not like people would get rid of the fairy stuff.

>>153414727
I think that this would have a harder time if we got an alternate ship in the live action movies. as of now we have 3 post show "canons" for FoP, there's the live action movies, Fairly Odder and ANW. The channel chasers ending can only really come after ANW because the movies end differently and Timmy never forgets his fairies in Fairly Odder, but they never paired him with anyone else so the implication can still be that he just always ends with Tootie.

I WANT TO FUCK TOOTIE

>>153414420
Fake news.

Wow Trixiefags love coping

>>153414402
I think she was weird never a stalker, worst she did was have pics of him on her wall but timmy had pics of trixie as well. So timmy was a stalker too by that logic think tootie got worse as they all got flanderized I do remember a few sussy eps but again were later seasons. Think worst tootie ep was when she basically almost tried to force time to date her but otherwise she's more just their to simp