>what if avatar was actually Yin and Yang>what if there was "dark avatar"This is retarded. Why would they do it?
>>153419498Simple: Because THEY are retarded.
>>153419498>what if the person who was supposed to be the balance was only HALF the balance>AND was heavily biased towards one sideFucking scwarbage
>>153419515/threadThey are in a place where there are unironically evil devil worshippers in charge of things. This has seeped into their work.
>>153419498This is what you get when you don't have a good editor or anyone who knows how to make a good story.Added in this dumbass idea as if it didn't destroy the whole thing of what makes the avatar.
>>153419498You are correct, but what was really retarded was: why do the Dark Avatar in season fucking 2 of 4? There is no escalating beyond the Devil.
>>153419498Because Bryan and Mike are a couple of hack retard faggots who have always needed more talented writers to refine their stupid ideas. They don't know shit about shit, but because they get to take all the credit for AtLA, they believed they could do no wrong and that anything they created would be fantastic and everyone would love it.
>>153419498The funny/sad thing is that at first I thought Korra sucked so hard because they didn't have Ehasz, and then The Dragon Prince ended up being utter dogshit too. In other words ATLA was a complete fluke.
I just finished S2 after getting curious because the movie was retarded as shit, but it's impressive how retarded korra beats that. ep1 of S3 and I'm already through with everything. are S3 and S4 worse?>dude I'm a baddie grilboss, I pick fights with anything and everyone>except for the evil guy, I'll give him exactly what he wants (again)>"I thought he was telling the truth''>>>>>>>>>>>breaks all avatar connections because she don't need no manwhy does she >suddenly have a gilder stick in S3all the nostalgiabaiting so far is also really cringe, but they at least know their show offers nothing else
>zaheer>"you're not a bender">>somehow, he is able to airbend perfectly while everyone in the city fumbles aroundso S3 is gonna be even worse..... yippie.......
>>153420374wait until you see the movie
>>153420293Fist half of S3 is good until the villain the decides to become retarded.S4 is pretty good
>>153419498>what if avatar was actually Yin and YangActually the Avatar was originally that but in the original Chinese mysticism sense, it was part of the natural universal balance of the setting. Then Korra took that Chinese mysticism and threw it in the trash to replace it with a good/evil dichotomy.
>>153420958Nah, Zaheer was always retarded and the giant Evangelion mecha was also retarded.
>>153419944I had high hopes for that show because I knew Ehasz was the secret sauce behind some of Avatar's best characters. Disappointing, but not surprising, to find out that his work is also just as much a product of the team he worked with as the rest of ATLA
>>153420374Spoiler for the end of the season, but Zaheer's whole shtick is a more retarded version of Armstrong's plot to make a survival of the fittest ancapistan world from Metal Gear Revengeance. Everyone kept pretending like he had some masterful, philosophically interesting angle to his story, but the guy was fucking retarded.
>>153419944It's kind of the same situation as the guys that worked on B:TAS, sometimes a crew is greater than the sum of their parts.
>>153420293S3 is decent concerning the villains, step up from S2.S4 is horrendous all the way through.
>>153421239The villains are a bunch of X-men rejects and their ideas are fucking stupid. If all you care about is the spectacle of the fights, they're fine, I guess, but they're overrated as fuck because a bunch of retarded teens thought>We're gonna let everyone fight to the death instead of having an Avatar try to stop warswas deep and smart.
>>153420293The important thing to remember about Korra is that her childhood was fucked hard by White Lotus, obviously she has many of her own faults but they are pretty much all rooted in the fact that instead of getting to do her own journey of spiritual enlightenment a bunch of old assholes cooped her up and rotated her through a bunch of different masters she never got to know personally. Even her trip to Republic City was supposed to be spent entirely in the Airbender compound and she only got to know the rest of the cast by sneaking out.
I just think Korra is built for passionate babymaking sex.
>>153421744Korra as a fat baby was identical in behavior and ego to Korra once she was set free in Republic City. If she was meant to be a sheltered, socially stunted, naive fool, they failed to achieve that in any of the 4 seasons they gave her.
>>153419498Probably should've been the plot from the start. It's completely retarded that the Avatar has to stop humanity from being fuckin retards every cycle. But if a Dark Avatar kept respawning as well to cause war and destruction among the four nations, then it makes sense why the Good Avatar would always be needed.
>>153421853ThisIf anything going from boisterous baby-> unsure and sheltered but skilled in the first episode -> letting loose and being loud but also having the discipline and skill to back it up would have been a great character arc.
>>153419498Unrelated, by can anyone tell me why Sozen didn't destroy Roku's shrine?
>>153421869The plot is retarded period. The avatar bringing balance between racially segregated Pokémon coded people is fucking stupid. Him having to deal with rogue spirits, the fire nation attacking avatars to bring the cycle back to their nation and elements being a choice + geography/spirit makes more sense.
>>153421905The pro-bending arc would have been a much cooler character growth thing for Korra if she went from being nervous and reserved from her lifetime of White Lotus training, believing she should only do as her teacher tells her (even when it doesn't work), only to stumble into playing Pro-Bending with Mako and Bolin and opening up, and that leading to her personal epiphany of how she should live and use her powers and connect with her Avatar self.
This should have happened.
>>153419498the issue i have is that they present yin yang as good and evil but its not. its passive forces and active forces. korra is shit as a show but>>153421754is right.
>>153421744I kind of agree, but they really didn't focus enough on how her training didn't prepare her for being the avatar. It makes Korra look more incompetent than poorly trained. The explanation feels like cope even if that's what Mike and Bryan actually intended because it's just not explored in the show.
>>153421930roku was beloved by the fire nation people and the murder of roku was hidden (it was presented as an accident). the shrine getting destroyed would have been super suspicious of sozin.
>>153419498>what if the two main spirits are just two weird looking kites Even the designs sucks.How we got from a face-stealing centipede, a giant killer owl and a giant lion turtle to this ?!
>>153421979They got it right with the moon fish didn't they? What the hell happened?
>>153422012Most of it stems from them fucking up the concept of the Spirit World in Korra
>>153421979Avatar Wan's story injected so much retarded bullshit into a series that was already on shaky ground when it came to eastern philosophy and spiritualism.
>>153419498It was retarded, but it could have been cool of the writing were at all competent. At least they didn't have it, so the Dark Avatar could reincarnate like the Avatar.
>>153422693Does he know
>>153422693The dark avatar resolution should have been korra convincing vaatu to fuse with her and raava to reach true balance, the problem is that the avatar is already a source of chaos when needed so creating those two spirits was redundant
>>153422585The hilarious part about Wan's story was that Korra utterly failed to take away the obvious moral: spirits are dickbags and need to be kept away from humans.
>>153419498I think they were trying show the Taoist concept of balance but fucked it up big time.
>>153419527*You have been banned from r/GeorgeLucas*
>>153424544Shut up
>>153421949>>153421905>>153421853>>153421744I don't think Korra should be the "unsure sheltered" type.I think she was at her most enjoyable as girl Tarzam in the big city, having no idea how to behave and being amazed by it.Republic City should have been a character by itself while we saw it trhought Korra's eyes - think how the Ba Sing Se arc was one of the best if ATLA. The stories could have remmained small scale, and they shouod have followed the ORIGINAL idea they had: Korra x The Mafia - with Bolin and Mako playing more as ex-gabg members being pulled back.
>>153419498>Yin YangThey got the genders wrong too. The black one is Yin which is the feminine one while the white is Yang which is masculine
>>153422012korra retcon the avatar spirit origin.there was a CANON flash game that explained what aang did in the spirit world after getting hit by azula's lightning and going into a coma.the avatar spirit was the spirit (1 spirit, not 2) of the planet that embodied itself because it couldnt understand humans without living among them. the "balance between spirit and humans" thing was not an enforced role but something the AVATAR OF THE PLANET naturally wanted to do since both where part of "itself".korra spit on all that for a good vs evil shortcut.
>>153425366they never meant it as yin yang.black=evil=malewhite=good=female.welcome to korra.
>>153419515FPBP, but I will say that even retardation functions on a spectrum and there is still logic to the actions of retards even if its awful. What did they want to make Korra even more super speshal while marking it as a debuff? Did they think this was some clever writing?
>>153426775They wanted to own the avatar and make it theirs.Plus the idea of goid evil as fucking spiritual elements in the classical chinese/Greek way is a good idea. People who are morally retarded or want to be given a pass for things seen as wrong or acceptance of evil ideals NEED a designated evil good concept as a spiritual strawman. Externalize the evil ddeeds to excuse their own guilt or shield themselves from judgement.Screaming about morality while doing evil or worse being a piece of shit while using hypocrisy as a get out of moral judgement clause. Tired.
>>153419515This is not even a good depiction of Yin and Yang, it's a child's idea of it.
>>153424730Korra being sheltered by the White Lotus was meant to the excuse for why she's such a fucking idiot for so many seasons. They didn't really pull off the execution, however, and it ends up just being something that they don't ever meaningfully revisit, and make it so all of her characterization is based solely on things that happen in the show. You could cut the White Lotus aspect of her upbringing and it would change nothing about the rest of the series.
>>153427121She's litterally teen Toph as a big titty fem tomboy. Even the white lotus sheltered her thing is supposed to harden back to Toph's upbringing. Problem is that they dont understand exactly why she worked and that her being a little girl did 90% of the heavy lifting when it came to her personality and they dont have the writing skill to fully explore how she is different as a character AND capitulated to the Twitter fags on the lesbian angleThey needed a decent producer or to go steal from good anime again and listen to their Korean studio more.
>>153427248>and listen to their Korean studioObligatoryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luSB7CstoYo
i never watched this season and never will
>>153421744training with the white lotus doesn't mean she was socially stunted. she didn't live in isolation with only the white lotus.
>>153421979>>153425885>>153426888The funny thing is that Bryke actually backpedaled on Vaatu to an extent with him representing Chaos except TLOK, the books, and the Aang movie double down on Chaos being synonymous with Evil and Corruption which is stupid considering plenty of East Asian fiction emphasizes that Chaos/Darkness is not firmly "the evil power", but can be used for good (especially when paralleled with Jung and the Shadow, etc)>>153427248The problem with Korra is that Bryke wanted the anti-Aang without realizing that we already had that in ATLA (Zuko and Toph) and that it would be fundamentally contrived for a Water Tribe Avatar, and conceived Korra with Republic City in mind despite the fact that Korra's background as a sheltered prodigy would make her into a MUCH different person than how she acts in canon.If you look at concept art of TLOK, Korra's personality fits wonderfully with the city as a street kid with a chip on her shoulder, but not as a compound-homeschool kid.
>>153419498>evil avatar>powers are 'dark'Always such a lazy theme>what if thing had an evil counterpsrt>sure, what are their powers>EVIL
>>153419498They're retarded
>>153419498>spirits or light and dark in an extended battle to see who will winSure.>if Raava ever lets go of Vaatu then Vaatu gets instantly unbeatable foreverWhat.
>>153428044I still think the avatar should have been a little sheltered girl who escaped to the big city and korra should be the hard headed bender champion daughter of ling and her first master(mistress?).
>>153419806Classic case of constant threat of cancellation; the scale is whack because they're writing every single season finale like it's the grand finale.
>>153428461Knowing whether or not they'd get another season would not have made their writing better. They didn't know how many episodes of S1 they were going to get, at first, and still wasted most of them on sportsbending and teen dating drama.
>>153427885She did though, after Red Lotus tried to abduct her she began living on their compound 24/7 and people like her parents had to come visit when allowed.
>>153419832Oh so Gravity Falls basically then.
>>153428954bryke are retarded I guess
>>153419498Book 2 of Korra genuinely ruined this series for me.
>>153428954What evidence is there that Korra is socially stunted?>nearly every character in the show likes her immediately
>>153429442Book 2 is uniquely bad. I know people from across all walks of life, from almost all across the political spectrum, some of whom have greatly shifted positions since it came out, and a wide variety of questionable tastes: not a single one of them who watched season 2 liked it. Most of them couldn't even finish it, or season 1, for that matter.Its honestly impressive just how poorly put together it was; I remember Greg Weisman (before he went off the deep end) had a whole ass rant about why it was awful on his blog, he even called Bolin a retard.
>>153420293Korra's uncle looked so transparently evil I thought there was going to be a twist.
>>153419806>All of season 1 is about finding the power and courage to face an actual DEMON, the protag wins but only barely and it took everything he had and then some.>By season 4 he swats major demon princes like flies, swatting them as an annoyance for interrupting his conversation about his favorite form of martial arts.Many such cases.
>>153419527Yes that's Zoroastrianism's beliefs. It'd be ideal for balance but evil craves excess so you must commit acts of good to balance out the evil.
Should have ended with Korra taking both Rava and Vaatu into herself to attain balance.
SH better be good....
>>153420293Book 3 is the best by virtue of being the least egregiously shit.
>>153429442Book 1 was pretty awful too, but book 2 irreparably fucked up the worldbuilding. I just pretend it never happened.
>>153429755I will never forget watching the s2 finale and being in awe of just how retarded it was.
>>153427084The goldfish were better.What is yin yang supposed to be then?
>>153428044It's funny because femininity is seen as chaos in yin and yang.
>>153421032>>153420958>>153420293zaheer is fucking basedTotal avatar death
>>153426888>>153428044Vaatu and Rava always seemed stupid but when I first saw them I could not quite explain why and only after rewatching ATLA and discussing it did I figure it out. A core theme in Avatar is the idea of balance. The Avatar themselves are supposed to be a mediator of both the elemental bending groups as well as the spiritual and the material. Even in ATLA we see Aang doing this with spirits the and nations as whole. But the magic kites fly in the face of that by giving a clear binary good and evil. Like the idea that Vaatu is inherently malevolent and must be contained in order to make sure the world isn’t destroyed seems completely out of place given that chaos is a natural part of reality and existence. I mean a storm or other natural disaster would constitute being in Vaatu’s domain. Say a tree is struck by lightning causing a fire which burns down the whole forest, a chaotic event which would reek destruction. But said destruction also ensures that dead trees and foliage are burned away and nurture the ground to make way for new life to grow and feed into the cycle of death and rebirth. Rava and Vaatu as they are fundamentally contradict multiple core elements of the the series as a whole. They might have been able to work if the writers were more competent but as they are they just end up being more wasted potential/flubbed plot points which seems to mar TLOK as a whole. I have completely checked out of the series and have no real interest in Seven Havens since I am extremely doubtful that they are actually going to make Korra be at fault for destroying the world, and there will be some manner of “twist” or eleventh hour point about how something completely out of her control happened to which could have been prevented or whatever. They will probably have a stand in (strawman) for people who hate Korra as well to either change his mind/dunk on.
>>153431206What makes it worse was making the actual good water tribe civil war storyline and then abandoning it
>>153431388That is a major pattern in TLOK. They create a storyline that actually works well in of itself but then it gets ruined by extra bullshit. Either a need to ruin the villain because they can’t find a way for the hero to show how they’re wrong or just because of sheer incompetence. They did the same shit with Amon by having him be a secret blood bender who was just hungry for power, and then again with Kuvira by adding in those camps to make her just be Mao-Hitler-Stalin.
>>153421955I love Yuri so much.
>>153428044You know, I would've expected a waterbending avatar to be calmer. Korra was always so hotheaded that she should've been a fire bending avatar. So stubborn too, maybe an earth bender avatar. But how was she a waterbender avatar?I get thought that durrr feminist icon so she has to be strong and do whatever she wants and never face accountability so being a stubborn hothead MUST be her character. But lore wise it's as stupid as Airbender Broly.Heck, Zaheer reached the peak of airbending by giving up on his worldly desires, but airbender Broly was as strong as the avatar because of his worldly attachments.There is nothing consistent between every new iteration of the show.
>>153432027The sea isn't always calm and the sky isn't always clear.
>>153419498>what if avatar was actually Yin and YangMakes sense.>what if there was "dark avatar"Stupid in concept and execution.
>>153432313Shouldve been the negatar
Imagine if the Avatar of a cycle had to actively be dark and chaotic because something int he world had stagnated? A surgeon who has to cut into a sensitive part to clear a hemorrhage.
>>153432310Is the sea ever calm
>>153432359Congrats, you understand destruction isn't inherently evil.
