>comics go to shit the SECOND this nigga left Marvelcoincidence?
>>153419530Yes
this man is a genuine plague to comics he touches. he could write back in the day, but i guess the old age broke his brain.
>>153419530He's half the reason Marvel's in the fix it's in right now. Forcing writers to devote half their issues in any given year to whatever idiot line-wide crossover is going on this year? That started under his watch. Crossovers used to be limited to one month a year or annuals. Not any more
>>153419530*arrived at
>>153419530It is your mistake to give a shit about comic corporations in the first place.
>>153419809Nice try, Benisdrone
>>153419601I don't think there's been a single person whose done more damage to comics than this man and I don't know how such a thing was possible
>>153419917>I don't think there's been a single person whose done more damage to comics than this manoverreacting
>>153419530Bendis, Quesada and Dan Didio kept the big 2 in the zeitgeist. Normies were talking about new 52, Civil War, the death of Cap and the death of Damien Wayne and more in cable news Now there is no one with that kind of media savvy and energy.
>>153419530>shit the bed at marvel>shit the bed at dcThis feels like a Bendis problem.
Marvel stinks because they have practically zero writing talent. Zdarsky, Kelly, and Gail Simone are side book tier at best. Maybe Al Ewing is good enough maybe.
>>153419530Marvel was actually doing pretty well when Bendis left. Al Ewing's Hulk and Donny Cates' Venom were pretty popular. Nick Spencer ripped Amazing Spider-Man from Dan Slott's fat, sausage fingers and instantly made it better. Hickman's X-Men revitalized the franchise after a decade or so of being buried. Covid is when Marvel really started to shit the bed and the've just been too lazy to ever recover.>inb4 lol Ewing Hulk or Cates VenomYes, yes, I know /co/ is wicked cool because they hate anything popular but they were popular books outside this shithole
>>153419950explain further
>>153420481NTA and I do think Bendis did a lot of damage to the industry with Miles, but a lot of hate for Bendis comes from old fucks who like their comics like they're straight out of the Bronze Age and Bendis is pretty well the poster boy for moving comics away from the old way and making them more modern (at least in the early 2000s). These people want their simple, done in one stories with exposition filing up more panels than the actual art. Then you have the bandwagons who love to hate shit and will shit on something they have no actual real knowledge of just to fit in and I think Bendis is a victim of that. Having said all of that I wouldn't read anything Bendis has written in the last fifteen years.
>>153420481He's part of Bendis' PR team
>>153420074>comics were kept so shit the media was talking about itWow, much loss>>153420474It's a convenient take to say "/co/ hates because it's popular" rather than "/co/ hates retarded retcons and out of character shit". If you look at any threads about classic comics (which btw are popular runs), you'll see people here often know their shit and can point the strengths and weaknesses in them reasonably.
>>153420660Or maybe the fact that you wouldn't read anything Bendis in the last 15 years is another reason why people have turned against him, 15 years is a long time for him to put out subpar work and inadvertently turn opinion against him
>>153420716Ewing's Hulk was an award-winning, critically acclaimed run that even /co/ loved and only contrarians and dumb culture warriors hate.
*blocks your path*
>>153420660He's a writer who is atrocious at dialogue
>>153419530Threads about comic creators aren't allowed on /co/. Jannies keep deleting Deniz Camp threads.
>>153420942Gee, I wonder why jannies would be deleting those you disingenuous faggot
>>153420806Y'know what, that's fair. I just hate how /co/ has this habit of acting like a creator has always put out pure shit once they've turned on them.
>>153421237I don't know, you're allowed to make threads shitting on Eric July, but discussing the career of someone who works for the big two is apparently verboten. Same goes for Mark Waid. Very interesting.
Nobody wants to admit that the Bendis Avengers was the last time the book was actually good.
>>153419530The second he started at Marvel, actually.
>>153421280It's not limited to /co/. I saw this happen with Byrne back in the 00s because of his work since the late 90s and also his message board posts. Suddenly a bunch of people retroactively insisted Byrne never made a good comic
>>153420900Damn this sucks
>>153421280>>1534213164chan has very partial mods, jannies and admins and /co/ in particular is the favorite prey of the most progressive ones among them.But this isn't a recent development, this is not a surprise and it has been known for more than a decade, at least since Redwood's time, and with the last doxxing of them slobs it has all but been confirmed (again).And no, this will not change. It did not change under moot (who eventually grew up to be like that himself) and it will certainly not change now. I'm not saying you should like it, but don't expect things to change or even try and "protest" them with rhetorical whining. The only way you can make an impact is either by hacking 4chan or buying it.Like the younglings say, it is what it is.
>>153422601its well beyond that point, like were talking infinitely better if it were completely textless.
Bendis the writer?
>>153422673>4chan has very partial mods, jannies and admins and /co/ in particular is the favorite prey of the most progressive ones among them.Why are they even here? Couldn't get a modding position in r/Comics so they crawled to 4chan to be able to delete posts they don't like?
>>153421316>>153422673You both know good and well the reason Mark Waid or Deniz Camp threads were getting pruned was because of retard social media politics
>>153422757>Why are they even here?Because they're failures, and here they can be themselves (ie annoying, harassing cretins) without any accountability. This is not exclusive to the mods or jannies of course, it's just that for a variety of reasons the worst of the userbase has rose to the top.>>153423522Yes, but more specifically because it was the kind of social media politics mods didn't like. As mentioned before, threads about Eric July do not have this problem.This is not exclusive of /co/ either.
basedis
>two bendis threads up at once
>>153425523
>>153425683what does this convey
>>153420074>the death of CapIt was literally "Cap died BTW, but superheroes don't stay dead for long".
>>153425943bendis hate is a powerful thing. 1200 mentions in 5 months
>>153420833>award-winning, critically acclaimedWhich means literally shit>>153421346Because just because you spit bullshit out of your mouth doesn't mean you can't still taste it afterwards
>>153425009No, fag
>>153426649yesis
>>153426666Kys, shill faggot
>>153420474Immortal Hulk was well liked here for a long time. I was in those threads.
>>153421346Bendis Avengers is carried by a litany top artists. The characterizations were dogshit and sometimes actively harmful. Scripting was obviously terrible. The worst bit is that Bendis couldn't block out an action sequence to save his life. There was none of the artful strategy of Busiek’s fight scenes, Bendis wasted his top tier artists on static splash pages.His plots were decently entertaining and generative. That's all I'll concede.
>>153420660Bendis is legit meh yet was heralded as a god by higher ups due to his past accomplishments and was given the keys to too many things that effected big characters and wider arcs.
>>153427986Is this pic referencing something?
>>153426666
him and tom king are (()) so they are given free-reign
>>153428095I am pretty sure it was also carried by having Wolverine and Spider-Man on it.
>>153428148A line from a copy pasta posted in the IH threads. Done in the style of the quotation pages from the book.
>>153419530They were shit even while he was there
>>153428419That was certainly the gimmick that helped propel the book initially. But I feel like Wolverine's popularity waned while he was on Avengers. I'm not saying that's Bendis' fault, but I remember complaints about centering Wolverine in Age of Ultron.
what if bendis lurks here. these hate threads would hurt his feeling.
>>153429195He survived MRSA, he should be able to handle criticism.
>>153429195>what if bendis lurks here.I honestly believe he does.
>>153429249no way he be here after the hate train for several years
>>153428095>His plots were decently entertaining and generative. That's all I'll concede.Remember that short arc with a rando with the sole purpose of killing off Alpha Flight?>>153427986That was the most hype part of all those threads.>>153429249Probably not anymore since he no longer has a career in comics
>>153428095I cant belive we got post-Nextwave Immonen on a long term Avengers run and it was still written by Bendis. At least it was Dark Reign, easily his best phase.
>>153428916https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/100951124/#100953284Heh. Sorry for being a newfag, this is funny
>>153429111Wolverine got hate because of how overused he was
>>153429111Hank Pym should've been the main character of a story called Age of Ultron considering the insane robot is his god damn creation. Like how much more impactful would it be instead of Wolverine being a murderous shithead it was instead Hank Pym with his history of mental health issues and attempted suicide debating that he should kill himself in the past/warn his past self about how things will go, especially since Bendis had no qualms with Carol telling Hank under her breathe he should do so.
>>153419563You really think so?
I'm reading Powers and it's good, more due to the neonoir art. The dialog probably felt very fresh in the 2000s, now it's a little dated, but that doesn't make it bad necessarily.
>>153428306kek
>>153429195Years ago he knew.
>>153429478>killing off Alpha FlightThe Xorn arc was egregious. House of M through Siege were spines of the universe. As damaging some of those stories may have been to individual characters, they moved the whole line in interesting directions.
>>153433303He probably goes on Reddit instead now since Tumblr is gone
>>153431738Marvel is crap right nowI tried to read some X-23 comic first number was ok second one was a mess the art is terrible and every plot point they hint sounds more fuck up than the one beforeAm two numbers in and am already tired of the characters taking bad choices for no good reason other than being on an x men book
>>153433860House of M pretty much destroyed the x-men as a whole
>>153433939Morrison already destroyed the X-Men and mutants as a concept by not being able to see past the metaphor, and turning most of the cast into assholes. House of M was born out of an attempt to fix what he'd done, but the idiots went and swung the pendulum to the other extreme instead, and those books have been flopping between 'gorillions of mutants everywhere the entire Marvel setting is forever changed' and 'mutants on the brink of extinction survival at any cost' ever since, with nobody wanting to just go back to normal.Quesada and Bendis throwing Wanda under the bus as a plot device to do Decimation instead of using the setups Whedon and Claremont had already put in place in the X-books was unforgiveable, and it hurt her so bad that the MCU felt like they had to copy it.
>>153420900it's amazing how much text he can fill the page up with and barely communicate anything
>>153434176
>>153434303Bendis is probably the biggest industry plant in the history of comic books
>>153434370He wasn't a plant, he worked his way to the top. People liked his dialogue when it was new, no one had written comics like that before. Then he turned out to be a one-trick pony.
>>153434176Yeah, that's probably why he's among the worst. Just endlessly having characters repeat redundant information punctuated by snark.
>>153434303Why did he think Bullseye should talk like bond villain?
>>153433939Oh no
>>153433860If you mean like the chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times", then yeah I guess it was an "interesting" direction.But the arc that killed Alpha Flight didn't involve Xorn, that was morrison shit. It was way later when some rando postman or something that got the powers from the mutants bendis depowered, like, that was a Civil War setup of sorts and basically nothing else happens besides - you guessed it - fucking dialogue. It was filler that still managed to damage the comics for fans.You know what was good from House of M through Siege? Stuff from writers who had nothing to do with the disaster. The writers in the cosmic line managed to crank out good stuff while they were being pretty much ignored, despite some bullshit everyone forgets on early Annihilation Conquest because they course corrected. X-Men during Decimation somehow cranked some decent stuff, but again, it was despite the status quo to begin with. Pak did some fun stuff with the Hulk which, also, wasn't involved with the Avengers. Hell, Slott's Mighty Avengers felt more like a proper Avengers book than bendis' slop.>>153434415>he worked his way to the topYeah, no. Looked like either some kind of nepo bullshit or quesada just wanted to push the more "controversial" faggots from the Ultimate line on the forefront to generate buzz.>>153434052Preach it.>>153434370His contract with DC really sounded like a huge scam too, I wonder if DilDio got part of his paycheck.
>>153433939>>153434052Claremont ruined X-Men before anyone else.
>>153436642Not really
>>153420900>Which boy?>This boy?>Me boy?Make it stop...MAKE IT STOP!!!
>>153434303Why the fuck did they remove the click sound of her trying to fire the gun? The overly wordy parts are bad but removing that feels abnormally bad.
>>153435056Anon, you successfully blocked it from your memory but that rando postman receiving collective powers called himself Xorn. It made zero sense. Worse, it made things more confusing. I think it was just ignored it was so bad.But I absolutely agree that other creatives took the Bendis led status quo and did good work in many instances. I almost replied as much earlier, but edited myself.
>>153436852It feels like it was meant to be comedic, but it doesn't have any timing.
>>153436673Yes really.
